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Post by Brooks on Sept 19, 2018 12:48:27 GMT
As far as Ford’s allegations against Kavanaugh, it’s looking like it could just be revenge for his mother Martha, as the presiding judge, having foreclosed on Ford’s family home 13 years after the “incident”. Go to the Maryland Judiciary Case Search Criteria page: casesearch.courts.state.md.us/casesearch/ Enter case number 156006V and click on Get Case. [mod edit] I sincerely doubt it. She told her psychiatrist (and others) about the trauma she suffering from Cavenaugh's attempted rape and being roughed up and manhandled by him, YEARS AGO --- BEFORE Cavenaugh's proposed S.C. appointment ever occurred. Years ago would still be after the home was foreclosed by a Kavanaugh. It's fact. It can't just be dismissed, unlike her unprovable charges. |
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Post by justCoz on Sept 19, 2018 19:53:42 GMT
Here's what I don't understand in this case in particular. Even if he did assault her, which I have doubts about (my own surmisings, I don't watch very much news) where do we draw the line? This is not just a he said/she said anymore because there's no real way for him to refute evidence that cannot be brought forth because she didn't say anything then. Anyone could say that about anyone else, that's a little frightening to me and not a path I think we should go down easily.
Don't we have statute of limitations still in this country? So even if it were true there would be no way to prosecute him? And, if it were true, and she said something then, wouldn't that be generally tried in juvenile court with the records sealed?
There's a lot of things about this case that make me uncomfortable...again...even if it's true to begin with.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 19, 2018 20:47:07 GMT
Here's what I don't understand in this case in particular. Even if he did assault her, which I have doubts about (my own surmisings, I don't watch very much news) where do we draw the line? This is not just a he said/she said anymore because there's no real way for him to refute evidence that cannot be brought forth because she didn't say anything then. Anyone could say that about anyone else, that's a little frightening to me and not a path I think we should go down easily. Don't we have statute of limitations still in this country? So even if it were true there would be no way to prosecute him? And, if it were true, and she said something then, wouldn't that be generally tried in juvenile court with the records sealed? There's a lot of things about this case that make me uncomfortable...again...even if it's true to begin with. I think your point is without question the most difficult thing about figuring out the proper way to address these stories as they come out. When looking at it from the perspective of the accused, statute of limitations, juvenile court rights, etc absolutely come into play. Parts of our justice system are set up to ensure that a person who is guilty of a crime can receive reasonable punishment for it and then be rehabilitated and continue on as a productive citizen. On the flip side, when you look at it from the perspective of a victim, you recognize the terror that a victim goes through repeatedly to see the person who victimized he or she in a position of power as a Justice, Studio Mogul, etc - wielding power and being a constant reminder of what was done to him/her. I think that the concerns on both sides are very real and very valid. There is no right answer to it, and yet as stories come out we have to figure out what the right answer is. |
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Post by Critical on Sept 19, 2018 22:52:08 GMT
It's shocking to me how many people think she should have just kept this to herself. Like it doesn't matter that someone being interviewed (and that's what these hearings are - a job interview) for a lifetime appointment on the most important court in the country may have attempted to RAPE a young woman? Maybe 35 years seems like a long time, but it isn't. I know this because something very similar to the event Christine Blasey Ford has described happened to ME at around the same age. I was lucky. He did not have a friend locking the door of the room we were in and turning up the music so no one could hear me calling for help. I was lucky that I got away and it didn't get out of hand. Even though it was 33 years ago, I can still describe everything that happened in great detail and you know what? If that same guy ended up being nominated for the Supreme Court, you'd better believe I'd be telling my story. It goes to character.
Also, I don't buy that this is anything to do with money or revenge. What Ford has gone through since this story has gone public - what she said she KNEW would happen - is more than anyone would deal with if it was about petty revenge. She has been doxed, harassed and received death threats, had her accounts hacked and had to move out of her home. And yet, people still ask why she didn't come forward sooner 
A look at Kavanaugh's yearbook and various remembrances of his friends from back then shows a "bro culture" of drinking, debasing women ("Have you boofed yet? - look it up) and laughing about it. Yes, we probably all did things in high school that we wouldn't want the world to know about, but if those things involved assault, we don't get a pass. I don't care how long ago it was. Like I said upthread (I think), prisons are full of people who did dumb things when they were young.
I find it interesting that the same people who called for Al Franken to resign are the same people who think Kavanaugh's accuser shouldn't be heard and that his nomination should be pushed through. If one faces the music, the other one should too.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 19, 2018 23:21:51 GMT
From The Washington Post;
Kavanaugh’s accuser thought her life would be upended. She was right. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kavanaugh’s-accuser-thought-her-life-would-be-upended-she-was-right/ar-BBNwWsq?ocid=spartanntpAt 10:28 Tuesday morning, a Twitter account with a white nationalist talking point for its handle posted Christine Blasey Ford’s personal address. The account called for “peaceful protests” at Ford’s home in Northern California over her accusation that Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her at a party in the early 1980s when they were teenagers. The allegation was a “hoax” orchestrated by the “deranged left,” the account tweeted. This was at least the third time a Twitter user had “doxed” Ford — posted her personal information online — since she revealed her identity to The Washington Post and accused President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee of sexual assault. Within hours of coming forward, Ford faced attacks on her privacy and credibility, confirming the fears she had expressed about what would happen if she went public and echoing the backlash faced by other accusers in the #MeToo era.Kavanaugh’s supporters have raised questions about her motives, pointing to her status as a registered Democrat and her decision to hire an attorney while her story was still a secret. Others have highlighted details that are missing from Ford’s account of the alleged assault, including the date of the party and the exact location where it took place. “The problem is, Dr. Ford can’t remember when it was, where it was, or how it came to be,” Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Tex.) told reporters at the Capitol on Tuesday. “There are some gaps there that need to be filled.” Influential conservatives outside Congress have also aggressively questioned Ford’s account. The opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal included three pieces skeptical of her story on Tuesday. One called it a “calculated political ambush.” “This is a case of an alleged teenage encounter . . . brought forward to ruin Mr. Kavanaugh’s reputation for partisan purposes,” the editorial stated.
Another story that took off on Twitter related to Kavanaugh’s mother, a state judge in Maryland, who was once involved in a foreclosure case against Christine Blasey Ford’s parents.
The connection “could explain motive or fuel conspiracy,” conservative columnist Eric Erickson tweeted Monday.
Lawyers for Ford said in a statement that she had “no knowledge” of the case until this week and that Kavanaugh’s mother made a ruling that was favorable to Ford’s parents.
Ford and her family have moved out of their home as a security precaution, and she and her husband are staying apart from their two children. “She’s spending her time trying to figure out the logistics of her life as it is now and how to keep herself and her family safe,” the person said. In the interview with The Post, Ford said she hesitated to speak publicly because she anticipated that her life would be upended and that Kavanaugh could be confirmed regardless. “Why suffer through the annihilation if it’s not going to matter?” she said.
 A horrendous attack, plus, that article doesn't even mention the DEATH THREATS and other threats of harm against Dr. Ford and her family!!! Some people are SO UGLY!!! It makes me ashamed to be a member of the same human race as they are.  |
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Post by acookertv on Sept 20, 2018 0:27:10 GMT
The death threats and harassment are horrible. But that kind of behavior is what we reap when we have people, including elected officials, encouraging harassment of people who express views found to be objectionable. We have to figure out how to listen to things we disagree with or find scary without considering attacking to be an acceptable response. We shouldn’t shout people of the opposing party out of a restaurant and we shouldn’t shout down accusers who come forward to be heard. We need to yell less and listen more.
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Post by Critical on Sept 20, 2018 4:49:31 GMT
On the subject of whether or not Kavanaugh's accuser should have come forward so many years later.... It's curious that when the accusers in the Catholic Church molestation cases come forward, everyone is eager to believe them and condemn the perpetrators, but when a woman comes forward after the same amount of time, she's accused of lying or told to keep her mouth shut  |
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Post by Arielflies on Sept 20, 2018 5:25:50 GMT
Uh...Anita Hill redux?
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Post by redsoxgirl on Sept 22, 2018 13:53:41 GMT
I've not copied the whole article for brevity's sake. Please click the link for the full article. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/again-and-again-accused-sexual-harassers-kept-their-jobs-under-nbc-news-chief-andy-lack/ar-AAAsGsz?ocid=spartandhpNBC News Chairman Andrew Lack has been under fire for his handling of sexual-misconduct allegations at the network, including one against his ex-friend and former star anchor, Matt Lauer. But years earlier at another company, Lack protected a male employee who sexually harassed multiple women, sources tell The Daily Beast. Lack was chairman and CEO of Sony BMG Music Entertainment in 2004, when, according to former high-level Sony executives, the company discovered that a music executive named Charlie Walk had sent “sexual” messages via company email to female employees, including “graphic” pornogoraphy. After Lack was confronted with evidence of Walk’s misconduct, Walk allegedly harassed several Sony female employees, which he categorically denies. (They first went public with their allegations in Rolling Stone this year.) Kate Harold, for one, said Walk in 2006 forcibly kissed her and rubbed his penis through clothing against her during a business dinner. Pam Kaye, who was a promotional manager working under Walk at Columbia Records, said he tried to put his hands down her pants while they were in a car together in 2004. Lack has also been directly blamed for NBC News’ decision to stop working on former MSNBC host Ronan Farrow’s investigation of disgraced Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein—a story that went on to win the Pulitzer Prize. One of the men tasked with reviewing Farrow’s reporting—a key executive under Lack—was himself an accused sexual harasser, multiple sources told The Daily Beast. Under Lack’s tenure, NBCUniversal paid the accuser nearly $1 million for her silence. NBC News, in its defense of its handling of the Weinstein investigation, said that a team of journalists had reviewed Farrow’s reporting—and found it was not ready to air. That team included Senior Executive Producer for Primetime News David Corvo. What NBC News didn’t say was that Corvo himself had been accused of sexual harassing a female colleague. According to two people with direct knowledge of the woman’s complaint to the company, she said the harassment lasted for nearly three years when NBC was owned by General Electric. |
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Post by MissScarlet on Sept 22, 2018 21:53:14 GMT
The only thing about this whole series of sexual harassment situations & reports that surprises me at all is just who some of these perpetrators are, but only with a few of them.
What surprises me is that ANY woman is surprised by this. We've known this was going on forever.
Way back when I first began working as a late teenager, I saw it or heard of it. It was there. At every job I've had since, it was there. Maybe not as extreme as those cases in the news, but it was there. Maybe not rapes or full on violent assaults, but it was there.
The sexualization of women. The raunchy comments. The dirty jokes. The unwanted touching. The leering. The put downs. The men expecting sex for the woman to get ahead. The jobs sometimes depending on it.
And my own life has been pretty mild. I've never been in an openly hostile or sexually hostile situation. Nor have I been in any type of "Power" jobs or situations. Just plain old run of the mill middle class jobs. Clerking, waitressing, various office jobs.
But it's been there my whole life, just like every single other woman out there. We've all seen it & all knew it was there. We just accepted that it was part of life & there was nothing we could do about it. If we said anything we were "lying" or "troublemakers" or "whiners" or of course "Women's Libbers".
Years ago I had a conversation with my then husband about this. I told him neither he, nor any man, could ever fully understand the fears women go through nearly every day of their lives. When we walk down the street, will we be assaulted? Especially after dark. When we walk into a room full of men will we be assaulted in some manner? Or at least be objectified? When we walk into a bar or restaurant, even to meet a friend, will we be judged as a slut? Prostitute? Someone looking to be picked up for sex in some manner? When we apply for a job will we be expected to give "favors" to get or keep the job?
These things are always on women's minds, and have always been there. We may not be openly terrified at all times, but the thoughts are there.
He just didn't get it & said I was exaggerating & making it up.
The attitude that women are all there to be used to somehow pleasure men, or at least used as "things" by men, is as old as time.
Even in this day & age, when women hold powerful jobs, and have important accomplishments that should be getting a tremendous amount of respect, we still have those same fears & have to deal with the same treatment.
How many times have we seen a woman make a great accomplishment, and the first thing men want is to get to see her naked? We see it all the time. Is she going to "pose" for some trashy nudie publication?
Upsetting as all of these reports are to read, I'm glad it's finally getting out there, what we've all seen or gone through.
……...end of rant...…...
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Post by MissGriss on Sept 22, 2018 22:41:07 GMT
Not putting down your husband at all MissScarlet, because I think his response was pretty par for the course; but the fact that a husband would think that his own wife is exaggerating or making things up when she tells him about the way women are treated pretty much says it all when it comes to women getting a fair hearing on these things. |
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Post by Realitychick on Sept 22, 2018 23:12:59 GMT
Since all of this has gotten so much attention, I always thought I was lucky to never have gone through what many women have gone through. And then I realized something that I can't believe I didn't fully understand until recently. I feel stupid for just NOW getting this... But sexual assault doesn't mean only rape. This realization made me fall to the floor. I always discounted my personal experiences as not important because it wasn't rape that happened to me. I didn't report or didn't want to make a big deal out of something that was uncomfortable or in hindsight completely inappropriate and illegal because I had guilt that it happened. Why did I feel guilty? The unwanted touching, groping, intimidation, humiliation etc. I am still unraveling these revelations in my personal life and trying to come to grips with my own experiences. Me Too.
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Post by Arielflies on Sept 22, 2018 23:27:02 GMT
 Realitychick.
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Post by AZChristian on Sept 23, 2018 0:10:12 GMT
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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 23, 2018 0:49:52 GMT
Death threats are sooooo hostile and horrific!!! That is so horrifying, that to me, they are almost as bad as sexual harassment itself. And by the way, shoot me for saying this, but I really hope there are more allegations of sexual harassment (or any other kind of harassment) against Kavanaugh!!! He's already being called out for only wanting pretty girls as law clerks, and for belonging to a fraternity notorious for disrespecting women, so I imagine some kind of harassment is the next step! "Supreme Court Nominee Brett Kavanaugh Reportedly Favored Law Clerks Who Looked Like Models"gothamist.com/2018/09/20/brett_kavanaugh_clerks_models.phpit’s clear Chua was suggesting women show off their 'assets' in the hopes of receiving a clerkship with Kavanaugh. It’s yet more proof that women can be complicit in and prop up dangerous systems that allow predatory behavior to become the norm." . . . But this isn't the only story about Kavanaugh and Yale to emerge today: the Yale Daily News reports that while Kavanaugh was a student there, he was part of a fraternity, Delta Kappa Epsilon, "notorious for disrespecting women."In today's Yale Daily News: what Brett Kavanaugh was up to back in his school days, when he belonged to a secret society known as "tit and clit". Motto: No means yes. Yes means anal. |
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Post by MissGriss on Sept 23, 2018 1:18:29 GMT
Realitychick, I'm shedding tears and joining in the group hug. So many of us were taught to see those things as no big deal and not make a fuss, even though we felt so violated. And then we were taught to feel shame that it happened to us. I'm sure it's challenging to unravel it all, but I'm glad you're finally letting yourself say "That wasn't OK!" #metoo.
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 23, 2018 1:54:14 GMT
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Post by libgirl2 on Sept 23, 2018 13:39:58 GMT
Since all of this has gotten so much attention, I always thought I was lucky to never have gone through what many women have gone through. And then I realized something that I can't believe I didn't fully understand until recently. I feel stupid for just NOW getting this... But sexual assault doesn't mean only rape. This realization made me fall to the floor. I always discounted my personal experiences as not important because it wasn't rape that happened to me. I didn't report or didn't want to make a big deal out of something that was uncomfortable or in hindsight completely inappropriate and illegal because I had guilt that it happened. Why did I feel guilty? The unwanted touching, groping, intimidation, humiliation etc. I am still unraveling these revelations in my personal life and trying to come to grips with my own experiences. Me Too. #metoo. I dismissed it because it wasn't an actual rape, it could have been. over 30 years ago and I still remember it. I never told anyone but my husband. |
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Post by redsoxgirl on Sept 23, 2018 17:00:16 GMT
A College Student Accused A Powerful Man Of Rape. Then She Became A Suspect
When Alabama college student Megan Rondini told the police she was sexually assaulted, she did everything she thought she was supposed to do. She ended up killing herself.
“When all is said and done, I wonder what I could’ve accomplished if one man didn’t completely rip everything away from me.” -Megan Rondini. www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katiejmbaker/how-accusing-a-powerful-man-of-rape-drove-a-college-studentIt's a long article but, I hope people read it. Until I came across this article a week ago I truly believed I was the only person to have experienced such utter contempt and disdain from the very system that was supposed to protect me. Particularly the police. who cared more about the influence of a rich defendant.
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Post by Critical on Sept 24, 2018 1:31:17 GMT
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Post by Critical on Sept 24, 2018 2:07:18 GMT
While death threats are not okay, IMO, it's creating a false equivalence to talk about how that both Kavanaugh and the woman he allegedly assaulted received death threats as if it's the same thing. He is receiving them because he may have attempted to RAPE a young women: she's receiving them because she went public with the accusation. Not the same thing and it's just another example of why so many women don't come forward.
This post from someone I follow on FB summed up how I'm feeling about the situation pretty nicely:
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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 24, 2018 2:12:35 GMT
YESSSSS!!!! I JUST KNEW this was coming!!!!! The 2nd sexual misconduct allegation!!! And how many MORE complaints will there be??? "Brett Kavanaugh faces SECOND sexual misconduct allegation: Yale classmate of SCOTUS nominee claims he 'exposed himself to her in the early 1980s without consent at a drunken dorm party" Deborah Ramirez, 53, says she attended Yale University with Kavanaugh. She alleges that during a dorm party, Kavanaugh got drunk and exposed himself . Ramirez alleged Kavanaugh 'thrust his penis in her face and made her touch it' www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6199903/Brett-Kavanaugh-hit-SECOND-sex-misconduct-allegation-Yale-classmate-claims-exposed-himself.html
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Post by Critical on Sept 24, 2018 2:16:54 GMT
With these types of men, I think accusers are sort of like cockroaches (bad analogy, I admit): for every one you see, there are 100 you don't. Considering what we've heard about the culture of his fraternity, it seems like this sort of behavior probably happened on a regular Saturday night (and Friday night and Sunday night and...).
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Post by MissGriss on Sept 24, 2018 2:21:42 GMT
That is such a tragic story, redsoxgirl. I'm sure there are many more besides you who have had this experience. Money talks unfortunately! |
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 24, 2018 3:21:29 GMT
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Post by Critical on Sept 24, 2018 5:13:30 GMT
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Post by MissGriss on Sept 24, 2018 5:50:49 GMT
And the behavior they say he participated in is shocking! |
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Post by sweetmermaid1 on Sept 24, 2018 9:46:42 GMT
Since all of this has gotten so much attention, I always thought I was lucky to never have gone through what many women have gone through. And then I realized something that I can't believe I didn't fully understand until recently. I feel stupid for just NOW getting this... But sexual assault doesn't mean only rape. This realization made me fall to the floor. I always discounted my personal experiences as not important because it wasn't rape that happened to me. I didn't report or didn't want to make a big deal out of something that was uncomfortable or in hindsight completely inappropriate and illegal because I had guilt that it happened. Why did I feel guilty? The unwanted touching, groping, intimidation, humiliation etc. I am still unraveling these revelations in my personal life and trying to come to grips with my own experiences. Me Too. Yeah it doesn't matter if it was rape. It can be a blind date set up by a friend where you think you might be meeting a nice guy and once you are in his car all doors are locked and he drives to a remote place and you are able to distract and get away. #Metoo and this needs to end now! |
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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 24, 2018 11:14:22 GMT
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Post by Brooks on Sept 24, 2018 13:34:51 GMT
Bill Cosby's sentencing is coming up!!
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A horrendous attack, plus, that article doesn't even mention the DEATH THREATS and other threats of harm against Dr. Ford and her family!!! Some people are SO UGLY!!! It makes me ashamed to be a member of the same human race as they are. 
Realitychick.
