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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 24, 2018 19:18:59 GMT
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Post by dagwood on Sept 24, 2018 19:27:09 GMT
It's like a domino effect. Kind of like when one came out against Cosby the rest followed.
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Post by libgirl2 on Sept 24, 2018 19:30:01 GMT
It's like a domino effect. Kind of like when one came out against Cosby the rest followed. It's like a buffet line, no one wants to go first to get food, once someone does others follow.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 24, 2018 21:17:38 GMT
I dont intend to single you out here Imperfect and I apologize if it feels that way. But I’ve got to say it saddens me to see the accusations reported with exclamation points. Part of that is that defenses of Kavanaugh argue it’s a politicalmanuvering and exclamation points seem to support that. But more importantly if the accusers are truthful, it’s sad to know this many are having to be brave and come forward as well as sad in knowing they went through it. If they are not true it’s defaming someone who wouldn’t deserve it. No matter what the truth is, I think seeing cause for celebrating any of it loses sight of the story being about real human beings.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 24, 2018 22:53:58 GMT
I dont intend to single you out here Imperfect and I apologize if it feels that way. But I’ve got to say it saddens me to see the accusations reported with exclamation points. Part of that is that defenses of Kavanaugh argue it’s a political manuvering and exclamation points seem to support that. But more importantly if the accusers are truthful, it’s sad to know this many are having to be brave and come forward as well as sad in knowing they went through it. If they are not true it’s defaming someone who wouldn’t deserve it. No matter what the truth is, I think seeing cause for celebrating any of it loses sight of the story being about real human beings. My exclamation points have nothing to do with politics. They represent my huge RELIEF that this person, (who I personally believe, from everything that I've read, is a horrible person and a liar, among other things), that this person will hopefully NOT GET AWAY WITH the DISGUSTING way in which he has conducted his early life. And perhaps his later life, as well.
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 25, 2018 1:35:22 GMT
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Post by Critical on Sept 25, 2018 1:55:44 GMT
I dont intend to single you out here Imperfect and I apologize if it feels that way. But I’ve got to say it saddens me to see the accusations reported with exclamation points. Part of that is that defenses of Kavanaugh argue it’s a political manuvering and exclamation points seem to support that. But more importantly if the accusers are truthful, it’s sad to know this many are having to be brave and come forward as well as sad in knowing they went through it. If they are not true it’s defaming someone who wouldn’t deserve it. No matter what the truth is, I think seeing cause for celebrating any of it loses sight of the story being about real human beings. My exclamation points have nothing to do with politics. They represent my huge RELIEF that this person, (who I personally believe, from everything that I've read, is a horrible person and a liar, among other things), that this person will hopefully NOT GET AWAY WITH the DISGUSTING way in which he has conducted his early life. And perhaps his later life, as well. My use of exclamation points in this context is also to express how freaking crazy this situation is.
I'd like to believe he won't be confirmed, but I'm still hearing too many excuses about this being a "boys will be boys" situation How sad that this is expected behavior from our boys.
How much evidence can anyone really have regarding an assault that happened that many years ago? It's hard to have much evidence if it happened yesterday, but that doesn't mean these women shouldn't come forward. Like I keep saying: it speaks to his character and morals. Sadly, unlike some others, the allegations don't shock me at all. After this last year, I feel almost UNshockable.
In other news, the Cosby sentencing has been postponed until tomorrow. Cynical me wonders if he's actually as blind as he's letting on or he's milking his vision loss for sympathy.
ETA: TMZ is reporting that Kavanaugh spoke to Fox News and claims he couldn't have assaulted ANY woman back then because he was still a virgin
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Post by dagwood on Sept 25, 2018 2:42:34 GMT
Cosby accusers didn't have evidence either. Boys will be boys needs to be taken out of the excuse book. When I hear it I think of boys playing in the mud, throwing rocks, exploring, etc., not sexual assault.
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Post by Critical on Sept 25, 2018 6:02:07 GMT
Cosby accusers didn't have evidence either. Boys will be boys needs to be taken out of the excuse book. When I hear it I think of boys playing in the mud, throwing rocks, exploring, etc., not sexual assault. Exactly! You report a crime because it's a freaking crime. The more people stay silent, the more these scumbags get away with it.
Don't even get me started on the horrifying number of untested rape kits sitting in storage in police departments across the country. These women went to the police, were subjected to rape kits, gave their statements....and then the police did nothing. They reported the crime and still nothing was done about it. It's absolutely shameful.
Parents who use the "boys will be boys" excuse regarding their own (or anyone's) son's behavior are bad parents. Certain people want to complain about feminism, but IMO, the bigger problem in our culture is toxic masculinity and it harms everyone.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 25, 2018 16:54:16 GMT
Ok, this is BIG!!! The judge hasn't made his final ruling yet, BUT he has declared that Cosby is a sexually violent predator!!! This classification means that Cosby must undergo monthly counseling for the rest of his life and report quarterly to authorities. His name will appear on a sex-offender registry sent to neighbors, schools and victims. Judge weighs Cosby's sentence after declaring him 'predator'www.yahoo.com/news/cosbys-day-reckoning-comes-3-sex-assault-case-053629600.html
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Post by libgirl2 on Sept 25, 2018 16:58:24 GMT
Ok, this is BIG!!! The judge hasn't made his final ruling yet, BUT he has declared that Cosby is a sexually violent predator!!! This classification means that Cosby must undergo monthly counseling for the rest of his life and report quarterly to authorities. His name will appear on a sex-offender registry sent to neighbors, schools and victims. Judge weighs Cosby's sentence after declaring him 'predator'www.yahoo.com/news/cosbys-day-reckoning-comes-3-sex-assault-case-053629600.htmlHe is a sexually violent predator! Glad he has been formally labeled as one.
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Post by libgirl2 on Sept 25, 2018 17:00:32 GMT
Cosby accusers didn't have evidence either. Boys will be boys needs to be taken out of the excuse book. When I hear it I think of boys playing in the mud, throwing rocks, exploring, etc., not sexual assault. I am tired of that excuse too. This has to end. If he gets on the Supreme Court it will be nothing but joke. From the beginning there was something about him that seemed smarmy and entitled and off putting. I might not be a conservative but I didn't get that from Gorsuch. I might not agree with him but he seems a man of honor and good reputation.
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Post by Brooks on Sept 25, 2018 17:31:20 GMT
he has declared that Cosby is a sexually violent predator!!! That's almost the best possible outcome. Cosby can't dismiss it the way he would a light jail term.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 25, 2018 18:17:23 GMT
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 25, 2018 18:17:51 GMT
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Post by Gutmutter on Sept 25, 2018 18:42:30 GMT
Pay attention, politicians. We’re not having it anymore.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 25, 2018 18:58:54 GMT
He never admitted guilt, so the next step is to appeal.
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 25, 2018 20:06:27 GMT
He never admitted guilt, so the next step is to appeal.
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Post by JosephD on Sept 25, 2018 21:30:42 GMT
So, is Cosby going to real prison or to Celebrity Prison?
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Post by acookertv on Sept 25, 2018 21:51:36 GMT
My exclamation points have nothing to do with politics. They represent my huge RELIEF that this person, (who I personally believe, from everything that I've read, is a horrible person and a liar, among other things), that this person will hopefully NOT GET AWAY WITH the DISGUSTING way in which he has conducted his early life. And perhaps his later life, as well. My use of exclamation points in this context is also to express how freaking crazy this situation is.
I'd like to believe he won't be confirmed, but I'm still hearing too many excuses about this being a "boys will be boys" situation How sad that this is expected behavior from our boys.
How much evidence can anyone really have regarding an assault that happened that many years ago? It's hard to have much evidence if it happened yesterday, but that doesn't mean these women shouldn't come forward. Like I keep saying: it speaks to his character and morals. Sadly, unlike some others, the allegations don't shock me at all. After this last year, I feel almost UNshockable.
In other news, the Cosby sentencing has been postponed until tomorrow. Cynical me wonders if he's actually as blind as he's letting on or he's milking his vision loss for sympathy.
ETA: TMZ is reporting that Kavanaugh spoke to Fox News and claims he couldn't have assaulted ANY woman back then because he was still a virgin With regards to boys will be boys comments, I don’t think it’s a reflection of excusing the behavior as much as it is the way we failed both boys and girls back then with standards we set. Look at many of the movies from the 80s that depicted college age kids interacting. They depict boys taking what they wanted. There’s all sorts of harassment and even rape depicted as fun loving silliness between guys and girls. We told boys back then to go get it and told girls they were immoral if they gave it up. Thank god we’ve learned better! Again, I’m not saying it to excuse the behavior nor to say it’s becoming for a Supreme Court justice. I’m saying this to put it in context. I also think it makes it difficult to discuss it now because it can’t be proven nor disproven with evidence in most cases, and I’m not willing to drop the dignity of a presumption of evidence. Victims deserve to be heard, but accused people deserve to defend themselves, especially if innocent. Honestly the thing that leaves me the most concerned with Kavanaugh is his insistence of no wrongdoing to the point of pretending he was a choir boy. That seems unlikely to me with comments from people like the roommate talking about him being a heavy drinker. From a character standpoint I’d be more comfortable with him commenting now saying as a young man he did things he regrets and while he doesn’t believe he ever broke the law he acknowledges it was a different time. That would seem more honest to me than what we’re hearing from him.
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Post by lonnie on Sept 25, 2018 22:12:22 GMT
probably the celebrity type of prison, cosby has a lot of privilege.
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Post by MissScarlet on Sept 25, 2018 22:31:55 GMT
As satisfying as it is to see the outcome of all this, I can't help feel it's anticlimactic. For many decades Cosby has been victimizing & yes, raping, women. His money, fame & privilege have been protecting him. Now the old slimebag has finally been tried & sentenced for his crimes, or at least 1 of them. But at this point he's 81. The damage is done to his victims who have had to live with his actions for decades of pain, and will have to continue to have to live with this. He, on the other hand, has lived a charmed life all this time.
At 81, he gets 3 years in most likely a celebrity prison. If that. His high priced attorneys have already filed an appeal. He got away with this smugly for all these decades, to go on about his life in fame, luxury & riches. At this point, it's too late to truly punish him for his actions in a manner that he deserves.
Even if it's only 3 years, I hope he stays in prison the whole time & suffers the whole time. And I hope his wealth is taken away from him. It won't be. He's already got enough to pay for all the high priced lawyers he wants & the court costs. At 81 how much more does he need.
The way I see it, he still got off pretty darned easy. But it still was satisfying to hear.
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Post by Brooks on Sept 25, 2018 22:43:57 GMT
I think it's about shaming Cosby. What happened today brought shame to him that an appeal can't adequately remove.
If only Camille could be incarcerated alongside him.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 26, 2018 0:06:36 GMT
I think it's about shaming Cosby. What happened today brought shame to him that an appeal can't adequately remove. If only Camille could be incarcerated alongside him. I totally agree, Brooks, it's very much about shaming Cosby, as well as punishing him. Look at the man who came into the courtroom smirking and laughing. But he left as a convicted "criminal" in handcuffs, and here's his mug shot. He's not smirking and laughing now!!! But, to me, the REAL IRONY of the day is that Cosby's guilty verdict sets the women's movement AHEAD by many years -- at the very same time that Kavanaugh's ascension to the Supreme Court (or some other nominee like him) will set the women's movement BACK many years. What a sad state of affairs that is!!!
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Post by Cuddles on Sept 26, 2018 0:18:07 GMT
Imperfect1, you are so right. It's a shameful day. Before us we see two men who think the rules don't apply to them. One has gone down, but much too late, and the other is being pushed through confirmation by a bunch who still don't understand that women deserve to be believed.
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Post by MissGriss on Sept 26, 2018 0:28:56 GMT
The 3-10 sentence is a big range. Ten send fair, but three seems light. Did that mean that with "good behavior" he could be it in 1 1/2 years or something?
Since the judge refused bail, it sounds like he has to stay in jail while appealing. It's that right?
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 26, 2018 0:31:12 GMT
The 3-10 sentence is a big range. Ten send fair, but three seems light. Did that mean that with "good behavior" he could be it in 1 1/2 years or something? Since the judge refused bail, it sounds like he has to stay in jail while appealing. It's that right?Yes, he has to stay in jail!
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Post by Gutmutter on Sept 26, 2018 1:06:53 GMT
Not jail - PRISON! So when the judge says, “Not less than 3” he could still get out before three?
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Post by dagwood on Sept 26, 2018 1:19:02 GMT
Not jail - PRISON! So when the judge says, “Not less than 3” he could still get out before three? I think if the judge say than 3 he must serve at least the 3...after that it is up to the board of pardons.
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Post by MissGriss on Sept 26, 2018 1:24:04 GMT
Not jail - PRISON! So when the judge says, “Not less than 3” he could still get out before three? Oh. Did the judge say "Not less than three?" That's good to know. Thanks!
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