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Post by Cuddles on Mar 10, 2023 22:50:30 GMT
King Charles Gives Royal Title That Previously Belonged to Prince Philip to Brother Prince Edward
Prince Edward has a new royal title: the Duke of Edinburgh.
It had been Prince Philip's wish that his youngest son would receive the title after his death.
After waiting several months since becoming monarch, King Charles has chosen to hand it on to his brother at a significant moment: his brother's birthday. Prince Edward will hold the title for his lifetime, after which it will return to the crown — raising the possibility that it could then be passed to one of Prince William's younger children: Princess Charlotte, 7, or Prince Louis, 4.
And with regard to Charles other brother... The Daily Beast is reporting that Andrew is "furious" that he won't be allowed to wear a velvet robe. The latest row involves his position as a member of the Order of the Garter, an elite club of just 24 members, based on chivalric principles, nominated by the monarch. It comprises former prime ministers, senior royals, and other worthies.
Andrew, who paid a settlement to Giuffre but has denied remembering ever meeting her, was not expelled from the order by his mother. However, the royals have sought not to highlight his continued membership. His attendance at Garter events has been problematic ever since—just last year he was pulled from a public procession of members at the last minute.
Garter members get to wear extravagant headpieces topped with ostrich feathers, ermine collars, and flowing velvet robes on so-called “collar days”—important dates in the royal calendar (of which the Coronation is, of course, one.)
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Post by MissScarlet on Mar 10, 2023 23:18:09 GMT
I think it might be time for all of you to "please stop". I come to this thread to see what's new with "all British Royals", like news on the coronation, who will be performing, who's going to be living at Frogmore, any new weddings, etc. But it's turned into the "Let's bash Harry & Meghan" thread, complete with name calling of them, unsubstantiated accusations, and nothing more than extremely biased opinions. Every time anything else is mentioned, it gets immediately twisted into a way to bash them. It only takes about 2 posts before the twist happens. I'm tired of it. So I think everyone should just keep biased opinions to themselves & just let it go. There are members of that family I can't stand, but trashing them mercilessly on a message board accomplishes nothing but irritating other board members, so I think it's time for all to stop. My opinion is that we don't have to live with these people, so live & let live, and focus on the problems in our own lives. OK, I'll shut up now. I won't be answering any posts trying to start an argument.
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 11, 2023 5:18:09 GMT
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Post by ccl on Mar 11, 2023 12:34:12 GMT
This is a forum where people can give their opinions; it is not a straight reporting site. People are entitled to have negative opinions and interpretations about a subject, and post as such, as much as people are entitled to have a positive opinion and interpretation of the same subject.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 11, 2023 18:00:25 GMT
I think it stands out like a sore thumb but if someone were colorblind/or bordered on colorblind, I guess I could see where they might struggle to see the distinction between the two different colors. amber, after all, wasn't able to see it after she was told twice that it was there. Makes me wonder what else some of you are missing. Do you see the words in blue at the bottom of the page? Those are links. Does the "NEW" button look blue to you? That is also a link, of sorts. Curious if you are even seeing blue borders. Our last forum allowed us to change the appearance, not sure if this one does. Anyway, time to move along like ECM said. This is now General Discussion stuff. Cuddles, I'm not colorblind. I posted the People link as a courtesy out of kindness to you. Please stop belittling me. Please stop. I am just seeing that you edited your original comment to add that I was belittling you. If you saw it that way, I am sorry. I have reread this post multiple times and have spoken to a couple of my friends here who don’t see it that way either, but what matters is how you received it. It was not my intention to cause you grief. My father was colorblind. He could not make a distinction between similar colors. Therefore, as I thought about it, it seemed highly plausible that others may not see the distinction between the blues and blacks at FORT. If you read my post closely I said “some of you” - I was not targeting you. I merely mentioned you briefly because you didn’t even pick up on it when told a second time. That suggested to me that while it may be easy for someone like me to see, it must not be for others. That is empathy. That is not belittling. I was also noting that this site not only allows linking with simple blue words, it itself uses multiple simple blue words at the bottom of the page as links. For someone who doesn’t see the distinction that might be noteworthy to them.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Mar 12, 2023 2:01:56 GMT
I think it might be time for all of you to "please stop". I come to this thread to see what's new with "all British Royals", like news on the coronation, who will be performing, who's going to be living at Frogmore, any new weddings, etc. But it's turned into the "Let's bash Harry & Meghan" thread, complete with name calling of them, unsubstantiated accusations, and nothing more than extremely biased opinions. Every time anything else is mentioned, it gets immediately twisted into a way to bash them. It only takes about 2 posts before the twist happens. I'm tired of it. So I think everyone should just keep biased opinions to themselves & just let it go. There are members of that family I can't stand, but trashing them mercilessly on a message board accomplishes nothing but irritating other board members, so I think it's time for all to stop. My opinion is that we don't have to live with these people, so live & let live, and focus on the problems in our own lives. OK, I'll shut up now. I won't be answering any posts trying to start an argument. Totally agree, MissScarlet! Well said!
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Mar 12, 2023 15:48:32 GMT
This is a forum where people can give their opinions; it is not a straight reporting site. People are entitled to have negative opinions and interpretations about a subject, and post as such, as much as people are entitled to have a positive opinion and interpretation of the same subject. I agree with your post, ccl. If we ALL agreed on all these topics, it would be as they say, "a boring world." Differing opinions can be interesting and educational, if we accept them in a civil respectful way.
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Post by FireWoman on Mar 12, 2023 21:51:16 GMT
This is a forum where people can give their opinions; it is not a straight reporting site. People are entitled to have negative opinions and interpretations about a subject, and post as such, as much as people are entitled to have a positive opinion and interpretation of the same subject. I agree with your post, ccl. If we ALL agreed on all these topics, it would be as they say, "a boring world." Differing opinions can be interesting and educational, if we accept them in a civil respectful way. I always felt like this, not unlike show threads, said the Royals were fair game, but going after members of our little community was not to be tolerated. Yes, we ALL have our opinions, and we voice them, but please remember there is a human on the other side of the post you are reading. Now, just because they don't hold the same opinion as you or didn't see a post, or any other type of tech related misunderstanding is not a reason to attack or start something more than what we are talking about here.
I know Mods have mentioned in the past that this thread has become a pit of contention at times, please guys keep that in mind so we do not see the ability to post and debate her removed, that would be the worst I know I will avoid it at times because of the intensity, all I am saying is be mindful of others.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Mar 13, 2023 0:09:27 GMT
I agree with your post, ccl. If we ALL agreed on all these topics, it would be as they say, "a boring world." Differing opinions can be interesting and educational, if we accept them in a civil respectful way. I always felt like this, not unlike show threads, said the Royals were fair game, but going after members of our little community was not to be tolerated. Yes, we ALL have our opinions, and we voice them, but please remember there is a human on the other side of the post you are reading. Now, just because they don't hold the same opinion as you or didn't see a post, or any other type of tech related misunderstanding is not a reason to attack or start something more than what we are talking about here.
I know Mods have mentioned in the past that this thread has become a pit of contention at times, please guys keep that in mind so we do not see the ability to post and debate her removed, that would be the worst I know I will avoid it at times because of the intensity, all I am saying is be mindful of others. As I mentioned upthread, we can agree to disagree if done in a civil way.
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Post by amber on Mar 22, 2023 19:55:51 GMT
It looks like Harry is in trouble. First of all, I know something about US Visas related to helping my niece's husband enter the United States. We started the process before the pandemic, and he's still not allowed in. Prince Harry must have been allowed entry into the United States as an entertainer through a P-1 visa and would have had to answer questions about his drug use. He's not a diplomat, so it must have been a P-1. The Heritage Foundation is asking for the US to publish Harry's application visa. Appears as if this is a Catch-22 situation for Harry in that, if he didn't lie on the application, he wouldn't have been allowed in and if he did lie, he commited perjury and won't be allowed to remain. Hmm. Prince Harry Facing Rising Hostility to Living in America
"Prince Harry's account of taking an array of illegal drugs in his memoir Spare has led a conservative think tank to raise the prospect of "the potential revocation of Prince Harry's visa for illicit substance use." "The Washington, D.C.-based Heritage Foundation wants U.S. authorities to publish the Duke of Sussex's visa application to determine whether he was asked to disclose any drug use. In Spare, Harry describes taking drugs such as cocaine, marijuana, mushrooms and ayahuasca." www.newsweek.com/prince-harry-facing-rising-hostility-living-america-heritage-foundation-drugs-visa-1789525
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Post by AZChristian on Mar 23, 2023 16:53:03 GMT
I am amazed at how stringent some other countries are about allowing even visitors who they determine are drug users. Watch "To Catch a Smuggler" when they have the New Zealand episodes. If they find a little bit of weed or pills in your luggage, you are extensively grilled . . . and if the interviewer has any doubt as to whether you might seek out or use drugs during your visit, you're not going to visit. They deny you entry on the spot, and send you back on the next available flight.
If Harry hasn't used drugs in years, he should still be fine (if he didn't lie on his visa application). Usually, being clean and sober for one year will not disqualify you.
But if you lied on the application, that's a whole 'nother story.
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Post by amber on Mar 23, 2023 19:18:06 GMT
Harry hasn't quit anything. He's not sober. He's been getting high since middle school. He's still getting high. He talks about it in his book, and it explains why he is the way he is. Unless, of course, he lied about that, too.
Being a lifelong substance abuser (addict) explains his immaturity and the lack of depth in his book, where nothing he says is substantiated, and his stories sound like lies. Who wrote this book? If it's Harry, he's screwed up. If it's not Harry, he's screwed up. Yes, he had a ghostwriter, but his ghostwriter didn't live Harry's life.
Since his book was released, he has had a pay-per-view therapy session. He talked about his drug use there, and the only difference between drugs before and drugs now is before he considered his drug use recreational, and now he considers his (unsupervised) drug use therapeutic.
Honestly, I feel sorry for the guy because he is messed up. IMO, he should have been thrown into rehab as a teenager instead of being assumed as if he just wasn't smart.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 27, 2023 16:46:02 GMT
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Post by Critical on Mar 28, 2023 6:11:32 GMT
If anyone is interested, Jen Taub's Booked Up podcast was about Spare this week. She had three other people with knowledge of the royals on to discuss the book. They were all complimentary of the writing and structure of the book, which isn't really a compliment to Harry, since he didn't write the book, but they do also talk about the content of the book. I thought the book was just okay, but it was interesting to hear others' take on it.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 28, 2023 18:19:37 GMT
"The Institution was without a doubt withholding information from me for a long time about NGN's phone hacking and that has only become clear in recent years as I have pursued my own claim with different legal advice and representation," he said. "I am bringing this claim because I love my country and I remain deeply concerned by the unchecked power, influence and criminality of Associated," he said. "The evidence I have seen shows that Associated's journalists are criminals with journalistic powers which should concern every single one of us. The British public deserve to know the full extent of this cover up and I feel it is my duty to expose it." Comments from Harry Re Media Intrusion
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 28, 2023 19:20:10 GMT
If anyone is interested, Jen Taub's Booked Up podcast was about Spare this week. She had three other people with knowledge of the royals on to discuss the book. They were all complimentary of the writing and structure of the book, which isn't really a compliment to Harry, since he didn't write the book, but they do also talk about the content of the book. I thought the book was just okay, but it was interesting to hear others' take on it. I've enjoyed reading reviews as much as I did reading the actual book. Some look at it as a love story. Some devour the history of spares. Some point to other historical brother rivalries (eg the Booths) Some focus on the pain of losing a parent at such a young age. Others focus on family betrayal. I could go on but my point is that I've found it fascinating that there are so many takeaways.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 31, 2023 22:29:09 GMT
A FL judge has dismissed the defamation case brought by Meghan's half-sister.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Apr 1, 2023 1:57:11 GMT
A FL judge has dismissed the defamation case brought by Meghan's half-sister. Good! Since we first heard about Meghan's half-sister, she has always seemed very vindictive toward Meghan (and probably very jealous of Meghan as well).
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Post by Cuddles on Apr 4, 2023 23:16:07 GMT
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Post by sunnydayz on Apr 5, 2023 14:51:35 GMT
The official invitation has been revealed!
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Post by Cuddles on Apr 6, 2023 13:11:50 GMT
Queen Elizabeth made it known how she felt about all of this… And when, in the fullness of time, my son Charles becomes King, I know you will give him and his wife, Camilla, the same support that you have given me; and it is my sincere wish that, when that time comes, Camilla will be known as Queen Consort as she continues her own loyal service.”
Known as should equal called. If they deviate from that, that’d be a real shame. After the coronation I think there will always be some people who refer to Camilla as Queen Camilla, just as there are already some who do. People are people. But that doesn't change the fact that officially, her title will always be Queen Consort, just as Kate Middleton's title will be Queen Consort when William becomes king - because they aren't inheriting their titles by birth, only by marriage. I do love the colorfulness of the invitation. I understand our First Lady plans to attend. Going back to our earlier discussion, after reading this article from Global News (https://globalnews.ca/news/9603696/queen-camilla-king-charles-coronation-invitation/) and others just like it, I am back to being confused about Camilla's title. They all seem to suggest that she will officially be a queen.
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Post by FireWoman on Apr 6, 2023 14:36:43 GMT
After the coronation I think there will always be some people who refer to Camilla as Queen Camilla, just as there are already some who do. People are people. But that doesn't change the fact that officially, her title will always be Queen Consort, just as Kate Middleton's title will be Queen Consort when William becomes king - because they aren't inheriting their titles by birth, only by marriage. I do love the colorfulness of the invitation. I understand our First Lady plans to attend. Going back to our earlier discussion, after reading this article from Global News (https://globalnews.ca/news/9603696/queen-camilla-king-charles-coronation-invitation/) and others just like it, I am back to being confused about Camilla's title. They all seem to suggest that she will officially be a queen. Not to sound obtuse, and not to come off rude, but what is it exactly that are you confused about? She is, and always will be, Queen Consort by official title. There is no way for her to be only "Queen" as she did not gain her position by succession (I will not point out exactly HOW she did gain this position... but I am bitter there). So yes, she will officially be 'a queen' but not THE Queen. All other Queen consorts have simply been referred to as 'Queen and their first name,' not 'Queen Consort and their first name.'
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Post by Cuddles on Apr 6, 2023 14:58:07 GMT
I guess the last paragraph of the article where it says they used consort as a way of distinguishing her apart from the Queen but no longer have to is where I stumble.
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Post by Cuddles on Apr 6, 2023 15:25:06 GMT
link to quoted article
Koening describes the change as the last step in a gradual process of undoing the stipulations the palace put on Camilla at the time of her marriage to Charles. "I call it a slow burn, that it will be righted when the coronation [takes] place," she adds. Meanwhile, Gullace frames it as a step forward. "So already, allowing Charles to be king while divorced himself and married to a divorced woman is a sign of tremendous change, the removal of the word consort legitimating that is really a highly modern gesture that conforms much more realistically to modern marriage practices and to the king's new role," Gullace says.
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Post by FireWoman on Apr 7, 2023 3:47:59 GMT
I guess the last paragraph of the article where it says they used consort as a way of distinguishing her apart from the Queen but no longer have to is where I stumble. I took that to mean just when using the "the Queen" when talking about her informal like if you will. QEII was THE Queen for so long,and only died recently one can easily just assume they mean Chucky's mum.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Apr 7, 2023 11:46:25 GMT
My understand is this: There are only 2 ways to become king or queen: 1. by birth 2. by marriage If one has become king or queen by birth they are titled "regnant" If one has become king or queen by marriage they are titled "consort" The king or queen's official title may or may not be used in popular culture, but "regnant" or "consort" still remains their official title for all official purposes. So, for example, Queen Elizabeth II (who inherited her title by birth) was usually referred to publicly as Queen Elizabeth, but officially the title Regnant was always officially attached to her name. And the same for King Charles (who inherited his title by birth), who is officially King Charles III, and is a King Regnant. When Kate becomes queen, she will have received her title by marriage, so she will officially be a Queen Consort, no matter how she is referred to, publicly. The same for Camilla, who has received her title by marriage. She will always be a Queen Consort, no matter how she is referred to by the public. Currently most people refer to Camilla as Queen Consort, but apparently King Charles (or someone) wants to drop the use of the word "consort" when referring to her, but officially that wouldn't change her STATUS as a CONSORT queen and not a REGNANT queen. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_regnant
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Post by justCoz on Apr 7, 2023 13:56:55 GMT
Yes, Imperfect1 , that's how it works. We can see that just in the 20th century. Queen Alexandra, Queen Mary, and Queen Elizabeth (queen mother) were all queen consorts but never called that. That's their official title but not what they're called on a daily basis. Prince Philip was also a consort, like Prince Albert was. They're not called king because that title has a higher rank than queen, but they weren't the ones reigning, so they couldn't have the title that promoted them above their reigning wives. I kind of think that when Queen Elizabeth said she wanted Camilla to be known as queen consort, she meant the position, not the daily name. Imo, she meant queen consort instead of princess consort that they had originally said she'd be called. And really, if I understand it correctly, in their law, even if they had called Camilla princess now, she still technically would have been queen. The king's spouse is a queen, not a princess.
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Post by dagwood on Apr 7, 2023 14:21:58 GMT
My understand is this: There are only 2 ways to become king or queen: 1. by birth 2. by marriage If one has become king or queen by birth they are titled "regnant" If one has become king or queen by marriage they are titled "consort" The king or queen's official title may or may not be used in popular culture, but "regnant" or "consort" still remains their official title for all official purposes. So, for example, Queen Elizabeth II (who inherited her title by birth) was usually referred to publicly as Queen Elizabeth, but officially the title Regnant was always officially attached to her name. And the same for King Charles (who inherited his title by birth), who is officially King Charles III, and is a King Regnant. When Kate becomes queen, she will have received her title by marriage, so she will officially be a Queen Consort, no matter how she is referred to, publicly. The same for Camilla, who has received her title by marriage. She will always be a Queen Consort, no matter how she is referred to by the public. Currently most people refer to Camilla as Queen Consort, but apparently King Charles (or someone) wants to drop the use of the word "consort" when referring to her, but officially that wouldn't change her STATUS as a CONSORT queen and not a REGNANT queen. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_regnant Thank you for explaining that. I have always wondered how it worked.
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Post by Cuddles on Apr 7, 2023 14:53:41 GMT
I'm still reading more into it.
From my understanding Charles is going against his late mother's wishes and changing her official title from Queen Consort to just Queen. This comes on the heels of him breaking his original promise when he was given permission to marry her.
Maybe I am dense, but what I read gives me every indication that this change is more than her just not being referred to as a consort.
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Post by FireWoman on Apr 7, 2023 15:20:35 GMT
I'm still reading more into it. From my understanding Charles is going against his late mother's wishes and changing her official title from Queen Consort to just Queen. This comes on the heels of him breaking his original promise when he was given permission to marry her. Maybe I am dense, but what I read gives me every indication that this change is more than her just not being referred to as a consort. I think that what we are all saying is that there is NO WAY that Chales can do this. She can only ever be a Queen Consort, there is no way for her to be Queen unless she stages a coup and usurps Charles and declares herself Queen. Honestly no Queen Consort in the history of England was ever referred to (beyond history books and it being their official title) "Queen Consort" but it was their title. In fact Camilla herself wanted to go by Princess Consort, but it was the Queen, before her death, that made it known it known it was her wish she go by Queen Consort. Queen Charlotte, Queen Mary, Queen Anne, the Queen Mother... all Queen Consorts.
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