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Post by acookertv on Feb 22, 2021 13:40:16 GMT
Agree, but let’s face it, if this article had been about what harsh words Harry supposedly said it’d be considered gospel. Remember that’s a large part of how we got here (reason for them coming to the USA ) in the first place! And clearly the brothers are at odds, their last appearances were telling, and so have been their public statements and/or lack thereof so while I won’t take it verbatim, I do believe William is not at all supportive. If we all agree that the thoughts and quotes attributed to them in print can't be trusted, then how can we know the real reasons why Harry is in the US in the first place?
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 22, 2021 13:51:18 GMT
Because Harry and Meghan have both told us why with their own voices.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 22, 2021 14:17:50 GMT
They've told us the PR spin. But I'm not sure I follow how that is so much more reliable than PR spin from the palace.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 22, 2021 14:41:17 GMT
If one was to look at it through the lens of a PR spin then i would think it would be impossible to be objective.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 22, 2021 14:52:16 GMT
I think that we can all objectively accept that when people grow up in the culture of the royal family, with such a huge emphasis put on image and seniority, it's going to be natural for those concerns to be top of mind. It is family tradition that once the Queen has spoken, discussion is over. So why, after The Queen made it official that Harry and Meghan's one year trial separation was over and they were content with leaving so patronages would be stripped, did Harry and Meghan feel it necessary to respond? I'd say the reason for that is image. I know the natural reaction to that is "it's their right to speak their peace if they want to". It is their right - but it totally bucks the tradition of the family that is funding their lives. So it makes sense that people who are sticking around to uphold family tradition would be offended by that. There are families where it is tradition for the entire family to go to Grandma's house every year on Christmas Eve. Grandma looks forward to it every year, and nothing brings her as much joy as to see all of her family together, celebrating and enjoying the delicious meal she's prepared. If suddenly one of the grandchildren decides he doesn't want to go along with the Christmas Eve tradition, and instead wants to do something else because he's done the same thing every single year, and his older sibling always gets a bigger slice of cake, there will be some family members who are annoyed that the one grandson bucked tradition and hurt the grandmother's feelings. That's what we're seeing here - on steroids.
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Post by Arielflies on Feb 22, 2021 14:55:20 GMT
I read the situation as the Queen speaking from royal privilege - we are service - and Harry and Meghan replying - not just you, anyone can be service. They didn't need to speak, but I can see how her statement about service privilege really hurt them.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 22, 2021 15:00:46 GMT
I read the situation as the Queen speaking from royal privilege - we are service - and Harry and Meghan replying - not just you, anyone can be service. They didn't need to speak, but I can see how her statement about service privilege really hurt them. It's understandable if it did. That said, I don't think nearly enough consideration has been given to the hurt felt by the Queen and other members of the Royal Family from them choosing to leave - or the pressure put on others because they left. I think people sometimes forget that the royal family is a business, with responsibilities split among them. I think most of us have felt the pressure when a co-worker leaves and until that person is replaced, we have to take on additional work. Consider what it would be like if in that situation you were told the only people who can do the job are those that God selects to be part of the business by being members of the family. William has lost his favorite office mate, and knows that he and Kate have to pick up the work that used to be split among 4 people.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 22, 2021 17:02:56 GMT
While Harry and Meghan feel it's their own business to do what they did, coming to America, the royal life is indoctrinated in William and Harry, so I understood part of why William is undoubtedly disappointed with his brother. This is what I take issue with, though. William has no right to be disappointed in his brother. He can be sad because he will miss spending time with his brother as well as the joy of sharing in the work, but to be disappointed puts the onus on Harry. That suggests he has no empathy or understanding of the racism or other disrespect his brother and Meghan have endured, which is why I choose to call it the ultimate portrayal. William is perfectly positioned to end this kind of crap, and moreover, the timing couldn't be any more perfect.
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 22, 2021 17:12:54 GMT
I read the situation as the Queen speaking from royal privilege - we are service - and Harry and Meghan replying - not just you, anyone can be service. They didn't need to speak, but I can see how her statement about service privilege really hurt them. I'm sure they all knew that, when they decided to leave it all behind ,for an ordinary and private life. Decisions come with consequences, especially when your prince Harry.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 22, 2021 17:16:06 GMT
While Harry and Meghan feel it's their own business to do what they did, coming to America, the royal life is indoctrinated in William and Harry, so I understood part of why William is undoubtedly disappointed with his brother. This is what I take issue with, though. William has no right to be disappointed in his brother. He can be sad because he will miss spending time with his brother as well as the joy of sharing in the work, but to be disappointed puts the onus on Harry. That suggests he has no empathy or understanding of the racism or other disrespect his brother and Meghan have endured, which is why I choose to call it the ultimate portrayal. William is perfectly positioned to end this kind of crap, and moreover, the timing couldn't be any more perfect. Why do you put all that on William? Why not hold Harry accountable for the disrespect he's shown his brother, grandmother and the rest of the family? We're talking about a man who has lived a very privileged life courtesy of the British tax payers, and in return was supposed to give service to his country. He decided he didn't want to give service to his country anymore ... but is still getting most of his bills paid by his dad (who serves as the go-between to funnel that money from British tax payers). Where is the accountability for that?
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 22, 2021 17:18:50 GMT
This is what I take issue with, though. William has no right to be disappointed in his brother. He can be sad because he will miss spending time with his brother as well as the joy of sharing in the work, but to be disappointed puts the onus on Harry. That suggests he has no empathy or understanding of the racism or other disrespect his brother and Meghan have endured, which is why I choose to call it the ultimate portrayal. William is perfectly positioned to end this kind of crap, and moreover, the timing couldn't be any more perfect. Why do you put all that on William? Why not hold Harry accountable for the disrespect he's shown his brother, grandmother and the rest of the family? We're talking about a man who has lived a very privileged life courtesy of the British tax payers, and in return was supposed to give service to his country. He decided he didn't want to give service to his country anymore ... but is still getting most of his bills paid by his dad (who serves as the go-between to funnel that money from British tax payers). Where is the accountability for that? He should be cut off imho. Nobody was happy they lived here on taxpayers money, they needed security, the taxpayers had to pay. We have plenty of homeless people I'd prefer it go to.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 22, 2021 17:25:31 GMT
This is what I take issue with, though. William has no right to be disappointed in his brother. He can be sad because he will miss spending time with his brother as well as the joy of sharing in the work, but to be disappointed puts the onus on Harry. That suggests he has no empathy or understanding of the racism or other disrespect his brother and Meghan have endured, which is why I choose to call it the ultimate portrayal. William is perfectly positioned to end this kind of crap, and moreover, the timing couldn't be any more perfect. Why do you put all that on William? Why not hold Harry accountable for the disrespect he's shown his brother, grandmother and the rest of the family? We're talking about a man who has lived a very privileged life courtesy of the British tax payers, and in return was supposed to give service to his country. He decided he didn't want to give service to his country anymore ... but is still getting most of his bills paid by his dad (who serves as the go-between to funnel that money from British tax payers). Where is the accountability for that? You tend to enjoy comparisons so i will respond with one - That's like saying we bought you this house and how dare you say you're not staying it... when the walls and the roof are full of suffocating mold.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 22, 2021 17:28:50 GMT
No, it's not that at all. It's like saying that it takes two people to make a relationship fail. William did not do it on his own.
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 22, 2021 17:42:47 GMT
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Feb 22, 2021 20:24:16 GMT
Great news to hear! Thanks for that link, Fanny. I had wondered what his condition was/is.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Feb 22, 2021 20:31:37 GMT
I read the situation as the Queen speaking from royal privilege - we are service - and Harry and Meghan replying - not just you, anyone can be service. They didn't need to speak, but I can see how her statement about service privilege really hurt them. I'm sure they all knew that, when they decided to leave it all behind ,for an ordinary and private life. Decisions come with consequences, especially when your prince Harry. This what I said upthread, too. Harry and Meghan knew full well, theyd never have a totally private life. They just dont want the royal "ties". There's hardly an ordinary or private life coming from what they left.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 22, 2021 20:38:31 GMT
I'm sure they all knew that, when they decided to leave it all behind ,for an ordinary and private life. Decisions come with consequences, especially when your prince Harry. This what I said upthread, too. Harry and Meghan knew full well, theyd never have a totally private life. They just dont want the royal "ties". There's hardly an ordinary or private life coming from what they left. I'd add to that they have not courted an ordinary or private life. I don't see anything about the way they've handled the past year that suggests they truly want to be forgotten if only they could be.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Feb 22, 2021 20:50:45 GMT
I don't see it, either.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 23, 2021 15:40:04 GMT
This is what I take issue with, though. William has no right to be disappointed in his brother. He can be sad because he will miss spending time with his brother as well as the joy of sharing in the work, but to be disappointed puts the onus on Harry. That suggests he has no empathy or understanding of the racism or other disrespect his brother and Meghan have endured, which is why I choose to call it the ultimate portrayal. William is perfectly positioned to end this kind of crap, and moreover, the timing couldn't be any more perfect. Why do you put all that on William? Why not hold Harry accountable for the disrespect he's shown his brother, grandmother and the rest of the family? We're talking about a man who has lived a very privileged life courtesy of the British tax payers, and in return was supposed to give service to his country. He decided he didn't want to give service to his country anymore ... but is still getting most of his bills paid by his dad (who serves as the go-between to funnel that money from British tax payers). Where is the accountability for that? As I said in the beginning of this convo, William is coming across as the guy who took the high road, where in reality he was the one who had the ability to end all of this crap. If he had stood up for his brother and Meghan - if he had stood up to the racism and the hatred - if he had made any kind of stand to show them more empathy and protection - things would've probably ended much differently. But that's all in the rearview mirror now. And so Harry wisely forged another path that is healthier for him and for his family. Which is where I came up with the mold reference - haters and racists. So I stand by that comparison. It's not even close to true that Harry is still getting his bills paid by his dad. I don't know why anyone would spread such a falsehood.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 23, 2021 17:15:42 GMT
Why do you put all that on William? Why not hold Harry accountable for the disrespect he's shown his brother, grandmother and the rest of the family? We're talking about a man who has lived a very privileged life courtesy of the British tax payers, and in return was supposed to give service to his country. He decided he didn't want to give service to his country anymore ... but is still getting most of his bills paid by his dad (who serves as the go-between to funnel that money from British tax payers). Where is the accountability for that? As I said in the beginning of this convo, William is coming across as the guy who took the high road, where in reality he was the one who had the ability to end all of this crap. If he had stood up for his brother and Meghan - if he had stood up to the racism and the hatred - if he had made any kind of stand to show them more empathy and protection - things would've probably ended much differently. But that's all in the rearview mirror now. And so Harry wisely forged another path that is healthier for him and for his family. Which is where I came up with the mold reference - haters and racists. So I stand by that comparison. It's not even close to true that Harry is still getting his bills paid by his dad. I don't know why anyone would spread such a falsehood. It was also acknowledged early in this discussion that we have no way of knowing what has happened behind the scenes - what has been reported which is true vs what was not. So truly, we have no way of knowing whether or not William has done anything to stand up for them. I understand that it's natural to think that if things had gone better they never would have left. However, many families have that member who will talk about how no one looked out for them based on distorted perceptions and no reality. I've listened to friends of mine going through divorces complain about their horrible husbands who cheated on them and caused so much pain while never acknowledging the ways the emasculated their husbands, neglected the relationship, etc. In most every relationship it takes two people to make it fail. I have not seen enough signs to believe that Harry and William are not the same. Harry has been more public about his feelings on the whole thing, which can sway things against William. But as a future king, William is pretty much forbidden from voicing his side to right the public record. Remember the royal outrage when Charles and Diana each did their tell all interviews against each other - the palace is not going to let that happen again! With regards to their finances - it has been widely reported that Harry recieves a few million a year from the Duchy of Conrnwall which is a "private" fund managed by Prince Charles, but is property of the crown. When Charles becomes King, it will transfer to William, and there are some uncertainties as to whether or not he'll continue to share those funds with his brother. But as for right now, it is not a falsehood being spread to say their bills are being paid by Charles. Two volunteers are not buying a mansion in Montecito on the salary of a volunteer.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 23, 2021 18:06:52 GMT
Harry and Meghan paid back all of the taxpayer money that was used to refurbish Frogmore Cottage. Originally they were doing it in installments, but by end of summer they had done so in full.
All furnishings and appliances were paid for by them personally right from the get-go.
And Harry and Meghan no longer receive any financial support from The Prince of Wales, privately or through the Duchy of Cornwall.
There are numerous articles to support these facts.
As for what do we know behind the scenes, etc... while I am in agreement and supported MissGriss's comment that tabloid fodder is just that, I am referring to W's lack of outright support and respect. In a word betrayed.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 23, 2021 18:33:42 GMT
Cuddles, when in history has a monarch or future monarch spoken out publicly about internal family affairs? I can think of two times - Charles giving the interview about Diana, and the Queen making a monumental move of a public statement after Diana died. One of those provoked outrage from the Queen and one of those took major arm twisting from the Prime Minister, and has not been repeated since. So William's lack of outright support and respect is a matter of duty and cannot be taken to reflect anything in private. I stand corrected by the Duchy of Cornwall. It does appear that after public outrage, Prince Charles backed away from that. However, articles such as this one confirm they are still getting money from Charles - he's just taking it from another fund. www.bbc.com/news/explainers-51047186 They have been cutoff from British taxpayer funds - but not Charles.
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 23, 2021 18:37:20 GMT
Harry and Meghan paid back all of the taxpayer money that was used to refurbish Frogmore Cottage. Originally they were doing it in installments, but by end of summer they had done so in full. All furnishings and appliances were paid for by them personally right from the get-go. And Harry and Meghan no longer receive any financial support from The Prince of Wales, privately or through the Duchy of Cornwall. There are numerous articles to support these facts. As for what do we know behind the scenes, etc... while I am in agreement and supported MissGriss's comment that tabloid fodder is just that, I am referring to W's lack of outright support and respect. In a word betrayed. They still get some money, they aren't living paycheck to paycheck. So given we have veterans that are homeless, I can't find much compassion for what was and wasn't said..because we don't know. Williams is entitled to his opinion, as is Harry. I'll not say more until after the interview. That same day, the Queen has a speech, which I'll listen to, in it's entirety.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 23, 2021 19:33:41 GMT
Cuddles, when in history has a monarch or future monarch spoken out publicly about internal family affairs? I can think of two times - Charles giving the interview about Diana, and the Queen making a monumental move of a public statement after Diana died. One of those provoked outrage from the Queen and one of those took major arm twisting from the Prime Minister, and has not been repeated since. So William's lack of outright support and respect is a matter of duty and cannot be taken to reflect anything in private. I stand corrected by the Duchy of Cornwall. It does appear that after public outrage, Prince Charles backed away from that. However, articles such as this one confirm they are still getting money from Charles - he's just taking it from another fund. www.bbc.com/news/explainers-51047186 They have been cutoff from British taxpayer funds - but not Charles. Blatant public racism. How can that be construed to be an internal family affair? Your article is old. Here is one of many more recent articles that are easily accessible on the net: A source close to the couple said Harry and Meghan are no longer receiving financial support from The Prince of Wales, whether privately or from Prince Charles' private estate, the Duchy of Cornwall, which is used to fund "the public, charitable and private activities of the Prince of Wales and his family." They are also not accepting any contributions from the Sovereign Grant, the British government's annual taxpayer-funded payment to the monarchy to cover official expenses. Since Harry and Meghan no longer use their HRH titles and no longer receive public funds for royal duties, they are free to earn money on their own.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 23, 2021 20:04:47 GMT
With all due respect Cuddles, there are a lot of "source close to the couple" who are putting out false information to help their image.
With regards to blatant public racism being treated as a internal family affair - it's something that most people can't relate to, but is the way of life for the Royal Family. When there are terrible things said about members of the family - whether it's accusations of being Nazi sympathizers before and during WW2, affairs, children fathered by outsiders, etc they don't comment. None of them have said anything about the horrible things Andrew is accused of being part of. I can understand how difficult it would be to live in such an environment - but it's the way they operate.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 23, 2021 20:57:53 GMT
If you don’t want to read the article or the many others that confirm those facts from this summer then that is your perogative.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 23, 2021 21:37:16 GMT
I have read them - I just don't trust the "sources close to the couple". As I've said previously in this thread, I think that Harry and Meghan are very image aware and work hard to craft their public image. I believe the reports that suggest they've been sources for various articles and books and just go unnamed. When they first decided to leave their duties, there was a lot of public uproar over who would be footing their bills while they did not do the work expected of them in return. SO it makes perfect sense to me that they'd get word out there assuring people they were not on the public dime. But when you look at the expense of their lives vs the work they're doing, I don't think it adds up.
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Post by Critical on Feb 24, 2021 2:11:07 GMT
With all due respect Cuddles, there are a lot of "source close to the couple" who are putting out false information to help their image. With regards to blatant public racism being treated as a internal family affair - it's something that most people can't relate to, but is the way of life for the Royal Family. When there are terrible things said about members of the family - whether it's accusations of being Nazi sympathizers before and during WW2, affairs, children fathered by outsiders, etc they don't comment. None of them have said anything about the horrible things Andrew is accused of being part of. I can understand how difficult it would be to live in such an environment - but it's the way they operate. Apparently, some of those "sources" are Meghan and her friends. LOTS of talk over the last few years about how she was the one to leak various stories, including William's affair. Might or might not be true, but it is interesting how much of this stuff has ended up in the press since she joined the family. As you say, The Firm is a pretty closed system. They do NOT deal with their problems publicly. It's all handled within the family. I'm sure it's the same with this money. If Charles is helping (or almost entirely) supporting them with income from his investments, they'd definitely see that as a private matter and no one else's business.
Neither Harry nor Meghan are really technically working right now. There's no way they could afford a $14M house in Montecito without help from his family. I've read about how Meghan was a "star" on a "major series" (making it seem like she was s super high-paid actress), when she was really the fifth lead on a show on basic cable. I liked Suits and it was popular for the USA Network, but that's still basic cable. It wasn't getting Walking Dead-level ratings. I'd guess she wasn't making Grey's Anatomy money. Not even close. Maybe they're getting some money for "appearances," but how much are people willing to pay them for a Zoom conversation? Wonder how much Oprah is paying them....
Okay, I just looked it up and Meghan likely made around $50K/ episode on Suits. With some other gigs, her annual income back then was around $450K. For most folks, that's huge money. It's not big money for a major actress (which is what her PR people pretend she was). Ellen Pompeo is making $550K/episode on GA. THAT is big money. With that, you could afford the house in Montecito without help from your in-laws.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 24, 2021 12:25:44 GMT
With all due respect Cuddles, there are a lot of "source close to the couple" who are putting out false information to help their image. With regards to blatant public racism being treated as a internal family affair - it's something that most people can't relate to, but is the way of life for the Royal Family. When there are terrible things said about members of the family - whether it's accusations of being Nazi sympathizers before and during WW2, affairs, children fathered by outsiders, etc they don't comment. None of them have said anything about the horrible things Andrew is accused of being part of. I can understand how difficult it would be to live in such an environment - but it's the way they operate. Apparently, some of those "sources" are Meghan and her friends. LOTS of talk over the last few years about how she was the one to leak various stories, including William's affair. Might or might not be true, but it is interesting how much of this stuff has ended up in the press since she joined the family. As you say, The Firm is a pretty closed system. They do NOT deal with their problems publicly. It's all handled within the family. I'm sure it's the same with this money. If Charles is helping (or almost entirely) supporting them with income from his investments, they'd definitely see that as a private matter and no one else's business.
Neither Harry nor Meghan are really technically working right now. There's no way they could afford a $14M house in Montecito without help from his family. I've read about how Meghan was a "star" on a "major series" (making it seem like she was s super high-paid actress), when she was really the fifth lead on a show on basic cable. I liked Suits and it was popular for the USA Network, but that's still basic cable. It wasn't getting Walking Dead-level ratings. I'd guess she wasn't making Grey's Anatomy money. Not even close. Maybe they're getting some money for "appearances," but how much are people willing to pay them for a Zoom conversation? Wonder how much Oprah is paying them....
Okay, I just looked it up and Meghan likely made around $50K/ episode on Suits. With some other gigs, her annual income back then was around $450K. For most folks, that's huge money. It's not big money for a major actress (which is what her PR people pretend she was). Ellen Pompeo is making $550K/episode on GA. THAT is big money. With that, you could afford the house in Montecito without help from your in-laws.
"LOTS of talk over the last few years about how she was the one to leak various stories..." And who were those sources? I'm going with what I found as confirmed by multiple sources and based on their income, highly plausible. Yes, she was on Suits ($450k). But she was also on CSI twice. She was in Remember Me ($185+k). She was in The Candidate ($170+k). She had the Tig and she had two sold-out clothing lines. Plus endorsements ($80+k). All of which to the tune of an approximated cool $5 Mil. And Harry has two trust funds and his former income as a captain, worth $40 Mil. Additionally they have their Netflix deal which Kao mentioned. That was in talks for around $100 MIL but not sure what was agreed upon. Their home is valued at $14.7 MIL.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 24, 2021 13:24:53 GMT
It's notable that there have not been as many leaked gossip stories about the BRF in the past year. Maybe that is because of COVID, they have not been behaving badly. OR perhaps it's because Critical is right about the source of leaks, and once she moved away the source no longer had access to the info to leak it.
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