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Post by acookertv on Mar 4, 2021 13:37:50 GMT
Smoke as in the wake of people she's left in her past whose she's cut out of her life for various reasons. Smoke as in the number of ways she's worked to create an image of who she wants to be perceived as, but doesn't have the facts to back it up. Smoke as in when getting engaged she said over and over again that she understood what she was getting into and was ready to sacrifice it all when that clearly was not true. Smoke as in she went to Africa to bring attention to the lives of people there who needed help, and when given the opportunity of the spotlight used it to talk about how difficult it was when people were not asking her how she was. I could go on, but my fingers are getting tired.
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Post by Kao on Mar 4, 2021 16:12:57 GMT
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 4, 2021 16:23:48 GMT
Curiously, but not curiously, this was part of Meghan & Harry's interview:
"How do you feel about the palace hearing you speak your truth today?" Winfrey, 67, asked Meghan in the sneak peek shared by CBS Wednesday.
"I don't know how they could expect that after all of this time, we would still just be silent if there is an active role that the Firm is playing in perpetuating falsehoods about us," Meghan said — "the Firm" referring to the institution of the royal family. "And if that comes with risk of losing things, I mean I — there's a lot that's been lost already."
Then sunshine pours in. Sources reportedly go to Valentine Low wanting to get ahead of the narrative to defend those who are "bruised and battered" and are currently still "in a fragile state." There's a video of him saying this word for word.
Meghan called it.
And of course Buckingham Palace is taking this very seriously... but they downplayed anything and everything Andrew.
I love Diana and I loved seeing her with her boys. It really hurts me to see Harry (and his lovely family) being subjected to such crap.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 4, 2021 16:24:12 GMT
I was typing while you were posting. Could not agree more!!!
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 4, 2021 17:41:07 GMT
The Firm..lol. How very dramatic, and the music. Will Oprah ask her straight out, if she threw hot tea at an aide and was often shouting at them.? I hope she knows what she's doing, with Harry's grandfather in hospital, there are calls to put this dog and pony show on hold. I doubt she would.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 4, 2021 17:57:19 GMT
The Firm..lol. How very dramatic, and the music. Will Oprah ask her straight out, if she threw hot tea at an aide and was often shouting at them.? I hope she knows what she's doing, with Harry's grandfather in hospital, there are calls to put this dog and pony show on hold. I doubt she would. Oh good gosh, he's 99 and just had surgery - all of which has been downplayed by Buckingham btw - so if it is his time, then God bless him, but in no way could anyone accuse Meghan & Harry for that! On the flip, if Meghan had a miscarriage because she was facing down another stack of viciousness, heads should roll. But let's not go there. Don't know why I did. She just needs to stay healthy. They're a lovely family.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 4, 2021 18:09:29 GMT
The Firm..lol. How very dramatic, and the music. Will Oprah ask her straight out, if she threw hot tea at an aide and was often shouting at them.? I hope she knows what she's doing, with Harry's grandfather in hospital, there are calls to put this dog and pony show on hold. I doubt she would. Oh good gosh, he's 99 and just had surgery - all of which has been downplayed by Buckingham btw - so if it is his time, then God bless him, but in no way could anyone accuse Meghan & Harry for that! On the flip, if Meghan had a miscarriage because she was facing down another stack of viciousness, heads should roll. But let's not go there. Don't know why I did. She just needs to stay healthy. They're a lovely family. Who is accusing them of anything pertaining to his grandfather. If they put the show off until another day, it would be a mark of respect, that's all.Harry was very close with his grandfather, and was the sort of chap that would indeed be respectful. I'm not all heated up about this, although seeing this, this morning, made me think Meghan's judgement is off.. www.businessinsider.com/meghan-markle-wore-saudi-earring-gift-soon-after-khashoggi-2021-3Harry should have said something, khashoggis murder was a very big deal!
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Post by acookertv on Mar 4, 2021 18:12:12 GMT
Has Andrew been accused of being a pedophile, I haven't seen anything. Once he's accused, then the RF will have to do something, won't they? Yes, he has very much been accused. One of the survivors of Epstein's reign of terror, Virginia Roberts Giuffre has gone on record in a couple of interviews and legal complaints saying that she was forced to have sex with Andrew on multiple occasions. She's produced photos of herself with Andrew in one of Epstein's homes. Do you remember the disasterous interview Andrew did where he claimed it could not be him she remembered because he lost his ability to sweat after serving in the Falklands? That was in response to her accusations. The BRF took action by removing him from all of his Sr Royal duties.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 4, 2021 18:36:48 GMT
Has Andrew been accused of being a pedophile, I haven't seen anything. Once he's accused, then the RF will have to do something, won't they? Yes, he has very much been accused. One of the survivors of Epstein's reign of terror, Virginia Roberts Giuffre has gone on record in a couple of interviews and legal complaints saying that she was forced to have sex with Andrew on multiple occasions. She's produced photos of herself with Andrew in one of Epstein's homes. Do you remember the disasterous interview Andrew did where he claimed it could not be him she remembered because he lost his ability to sweat after serving in the Falklands? That was in response to her accusations. The BRF took action by removing him from all of his Sr Royal duties. I don't. I remember an interview with a girl who accused Andrew, and quite frankly I wasn't surprised. After that, I didn't follow it.I know that awful woman that helped Epstein said Andrew wasn't there, and I did see one photo of him, that made her out to be a liar. I didn't see his interview, just pieces of it..if the RF took action, then what more is there to be done? Other than lock him up and throw away the key..( I feel that way about all pedophiles) but what more can or should the RF do? And what has that got to do with Meghan and Harry's tell all. ( shrug)
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 4, 2021 18:52:24 GMT
Oh good gosh, he's 99 and just had surgery - all of which has been downplayed by Buckingham btw - so if it is his time, then God bless him, but in no way could anyone accuse Meghan & Harry for that! On the flip, if Meghan had a miscarriage because she was facing down another stack of viciousness, heads should roll. But let's not go there. Don't know why I did. She just needs to stay healthy. They're a lovely family. Who is accusing them of anything pertaining to his grandfather. If they put the show off until another day, it would be a mark of respect, that's all.Harry was very close with his grandfather, and was the sort of chap that would indeed be respectful. I'm not all heated up about this, although seeing this, this morning, made me think Meghan's judgement is off.. www.businessinsider.com/meghan-markle-wore-saudi-earring-gift-soon-after-khashoggi-2021-3Harry should have said something, khashoggis murder was a very big deal! The necklace situation... another smear attempt and honestly, just heartless. It is explained in the People article I posted above.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 4, 2021 19:16:01 GMT
Who is accusing them of anything pertaining to his grandfather. If they put the show off until another day, it would be a mark of respect, that's all.Harry was very close with his grandfather, and was the sort of chap that would indeed be respectful. I'm not all heated up about this, although seeing this, this morning, made me think Meghan's judgement is off.. www.businessinsider.com/meghan-markle-wore-saudi-earring-gift-soon-after-khashoggi-2021-3Harry should have said something, khashoggis murder was a very big deal! The necklace situation... another smear attempt and honestly, just heartless. It is explained in the People article I posted above. You can call it a smear( btw it was earrings), I'd never of worn them. I think it was poor taste..jmho. Is everything about Meghan a smear, or is there an inkling of truth about what's being said? I guess it's up to the individual.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 4, 2021 19:31:33 GMT
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Post by acookertv on Mar 4, 2021 19:47:38 GMT
The necklace situation... another smear attempt and honestly, just heartless. It is explained in the People article I posted above. You can call it a smear( btw it was earrings), I'd never of worn them. I think it was poor taste..jmho. Is everything about Meghan a smear, or is there an inkling of truth about what's being said? I guess it's up to the individual. I understand the current day disgust over the earrings - especially given all that has been confirmed about the murder. But the issue is that she wore them years ago, right after the murder, when all that we know now was not known, right? So the true story is that Meghan was gifted with earrings from a world leader, and wore them. At the time, that's what she knew, and what i think she should be judged on.
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Post by ccl on Mar 4, 2021 19:51:49 GMT
Honestly, I think there’s probably (some) truth on both sides (or perceptions thereof) but I feel that, from the interview clips on the news, that H&M are very much playing the victim card, going on about how “unbelievably tough” it was for them. I feel they should read the room (world) - they are coddled rich people who do not have to worry where their next meal is coming from, do not have to fret about how they’re going to pay for Meghan’s birth, do not have to live in substandard housing.... So many people have it so much worse and to act like they’ve escaped the gulag...just no.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 4, 2021 20:00:03 GMT
Honestly, I think there’s probably (some) truth on both sides (or perceptions thereof) but I feel that, from the interview clips on the news, that H&M are very much playing the victim card, going on about how “unbelievably tough” it was for them. I feel they should read the room (world) - they are coddled rich people who do not have to worry where their next meal is coming from, do not have to fret about how they’re going to pay for Meghan’s birth, do not have to live in substandard housing.... So many people have it so much worse and to act like they’ve escaped the gulag...just no. If these boards gave like options of more than just a thumbs up, I'd give this a heart!
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 4, 2021 20:09:23 GMT
You can call it a smear( btw it was earrings), I'd never of worn them. I think it was poor taste..jmho. Is everything about Meghan a smear, or is there an inkling of truth about what's being said? I guess it's up to the individual. I understand the current day disgust over the earrings - especially given all that has been confirmed about the murder. But the issue is that she wore them years ago, right after the murder, when all that we know now was not known, right? So the true story is that Meghan was gifted with earrings from a world leader, and wore them. At the time, that's what she knew, and what i think she should be judged on. She wore them, three weeks after the murder, and anyone that didn't think he was murdered had their head in the sand.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 4, 2021 20:19:29 GMT
I understand the current day disgust over the earrings - especially given all that has been confirmed about the murder. But the issue is that she wore them years ago, right after the murder, when all that we know now was not known, right? So the true story is that Meghan was gifted with earrings from a world leader, and wore them. At the time, that's what she knew, and what i think she should be judged on. She wore them, three weeks after the murder, and anyone that didn't think he was murdered had their head in the sand. Yes, but it took some time after that to make the connection that the crown prince was involved. That's what I'm talking about with judging her actions based on the knowledge of that day vs today.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 4, 2021 20:20:03 GMT
The necklace situation... another smear attempt and honestly, just heartless. It is explained in the People article I posted above. You can call it a smear( btw it was earrings), I'd never of worn them. I think it was poor taste..jmho. Is everything about Meghan a smear, or is there an inkling of truth about what's being said? I guess it's up to the individual. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. Earrings, yes. Earrings that were given to her as a wedding gift, but are not her property. In fact, she was not present when they were gifted so we can't even be certain she knew who they were from. Perhaps she did, perhaps she didn't. But.... who loaned them to her? Wouldn't they be the ones at fault if anyone was? And has that property owner since put them in the rubbish so Kate doesn't accidentally wear them? I think it's heartless for the rags or The Times or anyone for that matter to go after Meghan on this one that's why I only referenced the article and the further denigration.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 4, 2021 20:26:47 GMT
You can call it a smear( btw it was earrings), I'd never of worn them. I think it was poor taste..jmho. Is everything about Meghan a smear, or is there an inkling of truth about what's being said? I guess it's up to the individual. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. Earrings, yes. Earrings that were given to her as a wedding gift, but are not her property. In fact, she was not present when they were gifted so we can't even be certain she knew who they were from. Perhaps she did, perhaps she didn't. But.... who loaned them to her? Wouldn't they be the ones at fault if anyone was? And has that property owner since put them in the rubbish so Kate doesn't accidentally wear them? I think it's heartless for the rags or The Times or anyone for that matter to go after Meghan on this one that's why I only referenced the article and the further denigration. I read, she was warned not to wear them, the truth is out there..
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Post by dagwood on Mar 4, 2021 20:29:11 GMT
The impression I got is that some of their issues were less "family" and more of a conflict between staff/aides and how they wanted to run their household. There were also leaks to the British tabs that was directly traced to people assigned to work for them, so I can also see them not wanting to deal with that. Meghan was firing off emails to her aides at 4.00am, that I do remember. Nothing needs to be sent at that time imho. True, but they don't have to be read at the same time they are sent. It's not like she was calling them.
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Post by dagwood on Mar 4, 2021 20:37:39 GMT
Honestly, I think there’s probably (some) truth on both sides (or perceptions thereof) but I feel that, from the interview clips on the news, that H&M are very much playing the victim card, going on about how “unbelievably tough” it was for them. I feel they should read the room (world) - they are coddled rich people who do not have to worry where their next meal is coming from, do not have to fret about how they’re going to pay for Meghan’s birth, do not have to live in substandard housing.... So many people have it so much worse and to act like they’ve escaped the gulag...just no. Well said. They need to just go quiet for a while. I like Harry but have never been much of a fan of Meghan. I just hope it isn't as it appears and she is manipulating him and bringing him down. It's sad that he is broken apart from his brother, they were so close.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 4, 2021 21:06:45 GMT
Meghan was firing off emails to her aides at 4.00am, that I do remember. Nothing needs to be sent at that time imho. True, but they don't have to be read at the same time they are sent. It's not like she was calling them. How do we know that. I don't know it. If an angry email came from my employer, I'd probably read it.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 4, 2021 21:32:03 GMT
I enjoy the way that when a person is being criticized in the press, defenders of that person will find the less offensive thing listed and repeat it over and over until people believe that's the only offense. In the case of Meghan, sending emails overnight is not the only offense being listed for her bullying ways. It's been reported she threw a cup of hot tea at a person. It's been reported that at different times she yelled at Kate, and also at Charlotte. It's been reported that she threw a fit when told she could not wear the tiara of her choice because it was going to be worn later by Eugenie (a bride who was the Queens granddaughter as opposed to a bride marrying into the family) for her wedding. It's been reported that Harry had conversations with his security detail to find out of the stories of Meghan's yelling were accurate, and was told they were.
So yes - sending emails late at night on its own is not all that over the top. But it's also not the only offense being reported. And when you get emails overnight from a boss who has a history of yelling and throwing things at you, they are a little more intimidating.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 4, 2021 23:07:37 GMT
I enjoy the way that when a person is being criticized in the press, defenders of that person will find the less offensive thing listed and repeat it over and over until people believe that's the only offense. In the case of Meghan, sending emails overnight is not the only offense being listed for her bullying ways. It's been reported she threw a cup of hot tea at a person. It's been reported that at different times she yelled at Kate, and also at Charlotte. It's been reported that she threw a fit when told she could not wear the tiara of her choice because it was going to be worn later by Eugenie (a bride who was the Queens granddaughter as opposed to a bride marrying into the family) for her wedding. It's been reported that Harry had conversations with his security detail to find out of the stories of Meghan's yelling were accurate, and was told they were. So yes - sending emails late at night on its own is not all that over the top. But it's also not the only offense being reported. And when you get emails overnight from a boss who has a history of yelling and throwing things at you, they are a little more intimidating. And I enjoy the way a complaint about 5AM emails and text messages turns to 4AM emails and then overnight emails. Does no one not see how silly this is? 1 - turn your ringer off 2 - appreciate how sexist it is that if a woman is an early riser and highly motivated, she's a B, but if a man were doing the same, he'd be a champ. From 30000 feet up, all of these so-called reported "offenses" seem overly dramatic and darn right silly.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 4, 2021 23:14:36 GMT
Well the report does say emails ... which is plural. So it's quite possible there were emails at 5am, 4am AND overnight. But again, the yelling and throwing things are more significant offenses.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Mar 4, 2021 23:30:42 GMT
Honestly, I think there’s probably (some) truth on both sides (or perceptions thereof) but I feel that, from the interview clips on the news, that H&M are very much playing the victim card, going on about how “unbelievably tough” it was for them. I feel they should read the room (world) - they are coddled rich people who do not have to worry where their next meal is coming from, do not have to fret about how they’re going to pay for Meghan’s birth, do not have to live in substandard housing.... So many people have it so much worse and to act like they’ve escaped the gulag...just no. Well said. They need to just go quiet for a while. I like Harry but have never been much of a fan of Meghan. I just hope it isn't as it appears and she is manipulating him and bringing him down. It's sad that he is broken apart from his brother, they were so close. Couldn't agree more!! The way I see it, whether it's truly what Harry wanted, or not..he left a lot for her.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 4, 2021 23:46:19 GMT
Here's a rather lighthearted article that shows just how ridiculous - just how much crap - Meghan has been put through! link
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Post by ccl on Mar 5, 2021 0:05:33 GMT
The press and paparazzi following and digging ...yes...but that’s a celebrity thing not a Royal thing so...that’s not exclusive to them. It sucks but I doubt they have less paparazzi interest now so...if you don’t want paparazzi following you you go live somewhere remote and live a quiet life, you don’t move to paparazzi central LA and court media attention (media that you approve of).
Twitter trolls...again, that’s a side effect of fame, not Royal-specific. There’s people who suck out there but they’re not in your day to day life so ignore.
Negative news headlines about what she wears or how she sits which makes up most of this list.....who cares? There’s just as many positive headlines about her clothes and actions. Either way, it’s not important. Don’t read the newspapers. That’s all so trivial to get upset about.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 5, 2021 13:03:32 GMT
The press and paparazzi following and digging ...yes...but that’s a celebrity thing not a Royal thing so...that’s not exclusive to them. It sucks but I doubt they have less paparazzi interest now so...if you don’t want paparazzi following you you go live somewhere remote and live a quiet life, you don’t move to paparazzi central LA and court media attention (media that you approve of). Twitter trolls...again, that’s a side effect of fame, not Royal-specific. There’s people who suck out there but they’re not in your day to day life so ignore. Negative news headlines about what she wears or how she sits which makes up most of this list.....who cares? There’s just as many positive headlines about her clothes and actions. Either way, it’s not important. Don’t read the newspapers. That’s all so trivial to get upset about. The article wasn't written by Harry & Meghan. This was not a list of their complaints. And I said it was lighthearted. But I would never say it is trivial. Let's grab this one as an example: When Kate wore a one-shoulder gown to an event, she was declared a “true princess” and “vision in white”. When Meghan did the same, the press branded her “vulgar”. Racism is never trivial.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 5, 2021 13:48:58 GMT
There is a long tradition with the royal family and the British press of knocking down the lesser royals in order to present those in direct succession in the most positive light. The Queen, Prince Phillip, Charles, William, Kate, and George are the most protected members and everyone else exists to some degree in service to their images. There have been racist and ignorant incidents and horrible treatment of Meghan including the broach the Duchess of Kent wore to lunch with her and the articles suggesting that Meghan must have grown up in Compton. But the way she's criticized for doing things that Kate has done and been praised for - that's all about seniority. Sarah was sacrificed to make Diana look good. Margaret was sacrificed to make Elizabeth look good. I imagine it would be extremely odd to be part of a family where some members are treated as more important and more protected than others. But it's how they roll, and what happens when they go through life believing God hand selected some of them to rule.
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