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Post by dagwood on Jun 7, 2021 19:35:10 GMT
I will admit to getting a little misty at the name. I love that they honored the Queen that way. And Diana is the perfect pairing to Lilibet.
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Post by Amy Lee on Jun 7, 2021 23:27:15 GMT
I'm glad that all went went well and mother and daughter are resting peacefully. Not looking forward to the "I wonder what she looks like" (and we know exactly what they are inferring to) brigade but the nice thing is they can release pictures in their own time. I know they aren't popular here but I really want the best for Harry, Meghan, and the rest of their little family. I also realized they have a Royal Flush--a boy and a girl! Here here! Giving birth is a trip even if it's not your first. I'm glad they're safe and and healthy. ❤
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 8, 2021 1:59:33 GMT
I've read in a couple of places that the BRF tradition is to not use as a first name for a baby the name of any living royal. They can use those names for a middle name, but not a first name. I've been trying to think of any examples that are an exception to that to figure out whether or not it's true. Can anyone think of one? I think lili is a pretty name , but I did read in order to use the queens pet name, they probably asked.I guess they didn't want any hospital photos, they are waiting for their own photographer.. I have assumed that they probably did, as well. It seems like something you would discuss with the person whose nickname you were using.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 8, 2021 10:46:40 GMT
It does ... but there are a lot of other things they've done that seem to go against what one would assume would be done.
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Post by JustJuls on Jun 8, 2021 17:43:02 GMT
I can't imagine living under such scrutiny that you have to ask permission on what you can name your own child.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 8, 2021 17:47:17 GMT
Then don't move to Germany!
I agree with you it does seem odd to have to do it to the degree that the BRF requires. But then, for those born into the family, they've never known anything else. And I do think there are some families where it kind of happens unofficially. In my family, the wives of two cousins got into a little tiff when one was pregnant and thinking about using my grandfather's name, and the other insisted she had dibs on the name because it was her husband's name too. My grandmother stepped in and told both women that the man in question had been HER husband and SHE could declare they could both use it. Then it ended up not being used!
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Post by JustJuls on Jun 8, 2021 18:06:59 GMT
Oh my gosh! What a mess!
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 8, 2021 18:36:08 GMT
Then don't move to Germany! I agree with you it does seem odd to have to do it to the degree that the BRF requires. But then, for those born into the family, they've never known anything else. And I do think there are some families where it kind of happens unofficially. In my family, the wives of two cousins got into a little tiff when one was pregnant and thinking about using my grandfather's name, and the other insisted she had dibs on the name because it was her husband's name too. My grandmother stepped in and told both women that the man in question had been HER husband and SHE could declare they could both use it. Then it ended up not being used! That kind of happened with a couple of my nephews. My great grandmother's maiden name (which was my grandfather's middle name) is one that makes a very cool boy's name when shortened. One nephew very seriously considered using that name when their son was born but decided to "save it for later" and gave him a different name. They were really irritated when, a year or so later, his brother gave that name to his son. I say "Ya snooze, ya lose." LOL
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Post by acookertv on Jun 8, 2021 19:21:18 GMT
I don't understand ownership of names. I have a cousin who is essentially my age and we have the same name. For years at family gatherings, everyone has managed to know which one of us is which. On my dad's side of the family, we have three women's names that are included in so many names as either a first or middle name that at reunions we normally will do a picture of all the women who share the name. Systems exist to allow for more than one family member to have the same name!
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Jun 8, 2021 20:11:57 GMT
I don't understand ownership of names. I have a cousin who is essentially my age and we have the same name. For years at family gatherings, everyone has managed to know which one of us is which. On my dad's side of the family, we have three women's names that are included in so many names as either a first or middle name that at reunions we normally will do a picture of all the women who share the name. Systems exist to allow for more than one family member to have the same name! And in certain cultures it's customary to name the children after their paternal and maternal grandparents. I'm Italian-American and in my mom's day, you named the first son after the paternal grandfather, the first daughter after the paternal grandmother. The 2nd son is named for the maternal grandfather and the 2nd daughter after the maternal grandmother. So essentially you had to have at least the fifth child to be able to name him or her what you wanted. It's not unusual to have many many Joes, Marias, Tonys, etc, in an extended family. I was named for my dad's mom and my sister was named for my mom's mom. However, my grandma never acknowledged that because her name was Rose. My mom chose Roseanne for my sister's name. My mom was Anna Marie so she stuck Anne into my sister's name. I'm soooo glad that when I was pregnant my dad told me to name my child whatever I wanted. I married an Italian-American man also but his parents had already broken from tradition. I honored my dad by giving our first born son my dad's name as a middle name. I think it's lovely that Harry and Megan honored the Queen and Harry's late mom in that way but I'm really not crazy about the name Lilibet in general. It doesn't really roll off the tongue. I guess Lili is okay for a nickname.
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Post by Cuddles on Jun 8, 2021 22:37:47 GMT
The Queen must be so tickled. I recall when Harry got in to mischief back in his youth how she took him and sat him down; she's got such a soft spot for him and he for her. And of course, as I said before the baby came, I was really hoping for a nod to his mum who he misses so dearly, and that came as well. What a beautiful choice. Meghan has given him a gift that can help heal the void he's felt from such a young age. Puts tears in my eyes! So happy for them!
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Post by JustJuls on Jun 9, 2021 2:52:20 GMT
I don't understand ownership of names. I have a cousin who is essentially my age and we have the same name. For years at family gatherings, everyone has managed to know which one of us is which. On my dad's side of the family, we have three women's names that are included in so many names as either a first or middle name that at reunions we normally will do a picture of all the women who share the name. Systems exist to allow for more than one family member to have the same name! And in certain cultures it's customary to name the children after their paternal and maternal grandparents. I'm Italian-American and in my mom's day, you named the first son after the paternal grandfather, the first daughter after the paternal grandmother. The 2nd son is named for the maternal grandfather and the 2nd daughter after the maternal grandmother. So essentially you had to have at least the fifth child to be able to name him or her what you wanted. It's not unusual to have many many Joes, Marias, Tonys, etc, in an extended family. I was named for my dad's mom and my sister was named for my mom's mom. However, my grandma never acknowledged that because her name was Rose. My mom chose Roseanne for my sister's name. My mom was Anna Marie so she stuck Anne into my sister's name. I'm soooo glad that when I was pregnant my dad told me to name my child whatever I wanted. I married an Italian-American man also but his parents had already broken from tradition. I honored my dad by giving our first born son my dad's name as a middle name. I think it's lovely that Harry and Megan honored the Queen and Harry's late mom in that way but I'm really not crazy about the name Lilibet in general. It doesn't really roll off the tongue. I guess Lili is okay for a nickname. I'm not much of a fan of Lilibet either, even though I love that they named her that. I imagine she will go by Lili mostly. I think Lili Diana is very very sweet.
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 9, 2021 3:44:36 GMT
On the news ,they said their daughter would go by Lili ( Archie and Lili) and that's a very sweet name. Imagine going to school with Lilibet.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Jun 9, 2021 12:41:47 GMT
Lili Diana sounds really pretty..
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Post by MissScarlet on Jun 9, 2021 19:09:28 GMT
Very happy news all around. Congratulations Harry & Meghan.
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Post by ccl on Jun 9, 2021 20:10:22 GMT
I find it weird that they would name her after someone’s nickname personally, rather than their full/real name, but it doesn’t affect me either way so whatever. Good that everyone is doing well.
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Post by FireWoman on Jun 9, 2021 21:31:42 GMT
And in certain cultures it's customary to name the children after their paternal and maternal grandparents. I'm Italian-American and in my mom's day, you named the first son after the paternal grandfather, the first daughter after the paternal grandmother. The 2nd son is named for the maternal grandfather and the 2nd daughter after the maternal grandmother. So essentially you had to have at least the fifth child to be able to name him or her what you wanted. It's not unusual to have many many Joes, Marias, Tonys, etc, in an extended family. I was named for my dad's mom and my sister was named for my mom's mom. However, my grandma never acknowledged that because her name was Rose. My mom chose Roseanne for my sister's name. My mom was Anna Marie so she stuck Anne into my sister's name. I'm soooo glad that when I was pregnant my dad told me to name my child whatever I wanted. I married an Italian-American man also but his parents had already broken from tradition. I honored my dad by giving our first born son my dad's name as a middle name. I think it's lovely that Harry and Megan honored the Queen and Harry's late mom in that way but I'm really not crazy about the name Lilibet in general. It doesn't really roll off the tongue. I guess Lili is okay for a nickname. I'm not much of a fan of Lilibet either, even though I love that they named her that. I imagine she will go by Lili mostly. I think Lili Diana is very very sweet. I am glad to see I am not the only one who is not a fan of Lilibet as a first name. I will be honest and say I like it as much as I do Archie, I dislike them both a great deal. I think Lilibet is a sweet nickname or term of endearment but as a given name it just has no flow to me.. I cannot put into words really but it just is lacking something to me. I do like Lili, and of course Diana, but IMO it is a nickname and should have been left such. But, it is their kid and their choice, lol. I just can't help but see it and think Little bit.. lol.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jun 19, 2021 9:19:03 GMT
My understanding is Lilibet is a nickname given to Elizabeth by her father. The only other person to call her Lilibet was Phillip. It seems to me one would not use the nickname if only Phillip and Elizabeths father were the only two people who used it. Diana gets short shrift being the middle name.
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 19, 2021 20:18:43 GMT
My understanding is Lilibet is a nickname given to Elizabeth by her father. The only other person to call her Lilibet was Phillip. It seems to me one would not use the nickname if only Phillip and Elizabeths father were the only two people who used it. Diana gets short shrift being the middle name. I'm pretty sure that everyone in the family called her Lilibet growing up. When her mother died, she put a note on the casket that was signed "Lilibet." It was such a well known nickname that the entire world called her that. My mother, who was the same age, used it as a nickname for my sister Elizabeth, and it was taken directly from her knowing of it as the nickname for Princess Elizabeth when my mother was growing up. I think what has confused people is that when Prince Philip died, there were articles saying that he was the last person who had called her that, and people somehow took that to mean that it was his pet name for her. It may well have been, but he was one of many who called her that in her younger years.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Jul 23, 2021 15:57:17 GMT
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Post by acookertv on Jul 23, 2021 16:04:40 GMT
I love the care that was put into planning out the picture, with the tribute to Prince Phillip's favorite car!
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 23, 2021 17:32:10 GMT
George looks like his father at that age..
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Post by acookertv on Jul 23, 2021 17:34:39 GMT
Definitely see a lot of William in him! I also see a little Middleton (though Louis has more of that!) and some Charles Spencer. He's been gifted with representing so many that are part of his history!
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Post by dagwood on Jul 23, 2021 18:30:29 GMT
He's a handsome boy
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Post by ibot2much on Jul 23, 2021 19:10:02 GMT
So Harry is now going to write a memoir? I really tried to be understanding of him and the bride, but I think I have had enough of both of them.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 23, 2021 19:22:36 GMT
So Harry is now going to write a memoir? I really tried to be understanding of him and the bride, but I think I have had enough of both of them. Well he's chosen to leave royal life and needs an income. So it's not a surprise that he's turned his back on the traditions of his family and will open up in ways they generally frown upon. That's fine provided he accepts the consequences of the decision, which will likely be more distance between him and his family and his family's money. Of course, I expect he won't see any connection between the two and will sufficiently whine when he's left out of family occasions he thinks he should be involved in. Perhaps he'll release the book in time for the Queens platinum jubilee next year so that when the paperback edition is released, he can add a chapter talking about how angry he was to be left off the balcony appearance after the release of the book.
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Post by Critical on Jul 23, 2021 19:22:36 GMT
So Harry is now going to write a memoir? I really tried to be understanding of him and the bride, but I think I have had enough of both of them. Apparently the publication date is the anniversary of his mother’s death These stories get “leaked” to the media (probably by M & H) about how he wants to heal his relationship with his family, but his actions definitely tell a different story.
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 23, 2021 19:43:00 GMT
So Harry is now going to write a memoir? I really tried to be understanding of him and the bride, but I think I have had enough of both of them. I don't know what he has to say, he hasn't said already.
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Post by Cuddles on Jul 23, 2021 20:52:06 GMT
I look forward to reading it.
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Post by MissScarlet on Jul 23, 2021 21:16:36 GMT
So Harry is now going to write a memoir? I really tried to be understanding of him and the bride, but I think I have had enough of both of them. I just don't seem to judge them as others do. If it were anyone else writing a memoir there wouldn't be all this criticism. Who's to say what's in it? Plus, even if it is critical of the Royal Family, it's his family. That's a big part of what memoirs are all about. In any other family there wouldn't be all the outrage. The problem is that the Royal Family is big & powerful. Their connections are even bigger & even more powerful. They're all about image. Normally they can squelch any secrets, big or small, coming out about them. But Harry is free & out of their manipulations. They can't threaten to cut him out of anything. He's already free of them. They can't threaten to cut him off financially. They already did that & once again, he's free of that. He's not living off their support anymore. "The Firm" is all about control, and in Harry, they've lost their control of him. This is driving them bats and they don't know what to do. They're all desperately afraid of him exposing the fact that they're not perfect. Their image is just that, an image. And that's fine with me. I haven't had any illusions about them for a long time. I've heard them referred to as the world's most famous disfunctional family. Harry just did what I'd bet a lot of them have wanted to do over the years - He got out. That took guts. He does seem to care about them, especially his grandmother, The Queen. I doubt there will be anything in his memoirs all that shocking, or any more scandalous than anything we already know about that bunch. My advice to the Royal Family would be to just keep their big mouths shut & don't make a bigger deal out of it. Go about their business as usual, and smile. You know, the old mother advice: Ignore it & it'll go away. My advice to Harry would be to hold off releasing any memoirs 'till The Queen is gone. She's darn near 100, I think 95 at least. Let your beloved Grandmother live out her reign and life in peace. Then, after that, all bets are off.
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