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Post by MissGriss on Jun 8, 2018 23:00:08 GMT
The link doesn't work for me. I get a notice saying that it's "malformed" which I assume means the URL is incomplete or something. But if I look at the code for you post and cut and paste the URL, it works, so I'm not sure what's up.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jun 8, 2018 23:00:32 GMT
I'd like to suggest that we rename this thread The Royals (or something like that) since so many of us seem to want to talk about MORE TOPICS ABOUT THE ROYALS than just the wedding of Harry and Meghan.
What do you think, mods?
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Post by MissScarlet on Jun 8, 2018 23:04:42 GMT
I really love the Pop! Queen.
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 8, 2018 23:54:39 GMT
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Post by AmyKay on Jun 9, 2018 0:57:31 GMT
hmmm that is weird, I did copy and paste from the top of that page.
I love it, I had no idea they had already released some!!
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 9, 2018 7:22:54 GMT
I really love the Pop! Queen. The Queen is adorable.
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 9, 2018 20:06:04 GMT
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Post by Critical on Jun 9, 2018 22:29:38 GMT
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 10, 2018 1:09:05 GMT
Haha..... remove the stick.... You know I read the article and posted the article and never even noticed the dress (being off the shoulder) OTHER than I LOVED it. Gawd sm posters can be such pains in the arse.
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Post by babbred on Jun 10, 2018 2:25:59 GMT
The difference is that, although Fergie has aristocracy on her family tree, she married into royalty. She gets different treatment from those born into it. If, say, Andrew had behaved as she did publicly, the treatment from the Queen would have been much different. No doubt, he would have been punished privately, but we wouldn't have heard about it and he would have continued to be presented as a member of the family. We likely wouldn't have seen much of a difference. There IS a double standard there with royals vs. those who marry into the family. I mean, there have been plenty of rumors about Andrew's behavior over the years, but nothing is ever made public and he's definitely not going to be ostracized. Of course the royals have made public errors - the recorded phone calls between Charles and Camilla while he was still married to Diana and Harry's various public blunders (the Nazi uniform at Halloween and his naked Vegas trip come to mind) - but all's forgiven because they're in line for the throne. I'm sure if it had been Diana who'd been recorded having an intimate convo with her lover, the reaction from the throne would have a lot different. I think things have relaxed a lot in recent years - Charles was prevented from marrying who he loved, but Harry married a commoner AND American *gasp!* - but I'm sure many things remain just as traditional as they always have. Those who marry into The Firm are held to one set of rules, while those born into are held to another.
She did and it was. Just before the mess with Charles broke, a scandal broke out over Diana's secret phone calls. While staying in a royal palace and feeling lonely, she had called a male friend and poured out her heart. The author of that biography presents good evidence that it was the Men in Grey who recorded Diana's conversation and released it. They wanted to humiliate her and drive her out. Talk about creepy.
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Post by Amy Lee on Jun 10, 2018 2:54:57 GMT
IMO, some people need to remove that stick from you know where. If she was truly dressed inappropriately, I have no doubts that she would have been advised of that before the event. I thought she looked lovely.
All of a sudden everyone is an expert in royal etiquette. All this b.s. pearl clutching. Sent from my SAMSUNG-S7 using Tapatalk
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Post by Critical on Jun 10, 2018 3:46:49 GMT
IMO, some people need to remove that stick from you know where. If she was truly dressed inappropriately, I have no doubts that she would have been advised of that before the event. I thought she looked lovely.
All of a sudden everyone is an expert in royal etiquette. All this b.s. pearl clutching. Sent from my SAMSUNG-S7 using Tapatalk Totally I'm sure there are MANY MANY people - some of them wildly jealous of Meghan because they think Harry should have married them instead! - just waiting for her to make the smallest of "mistakes" so they can bag on her. As if wearing an off the shoulder dress is the worst of offenses Babbred - I totally forgot about those Diana phone calls. Imagine if they'd been more sexual in nature. People would have lost their minds. IIRC, Charles and Camilla stopped just short of phone sex (that we heard, anyway), but they were definitely intimate. I remember feeling uncomfortable hearing the clips that got leaked to the media.
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Post by MissScarlet on Jun 10, 2018 4:49:30 GMT
I like the new name of this thread.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jun 10, 2018 15:21:35 GMT
IMO, some people need to remove that stick from you know where. If she was truly dressed inappropriately, I have no doubts that she would have been advised of that before the event. I thought she looked lovely.
All of a sudden everyone is an expert in royal etiquette. All this b.s. pearl clutching. Sent from my SAMSUNG-S7 using Tapatalk I totally agree that Meghan looked lovely, and I am the furthest thing from being a prude. BUT knowing what the British royal day time "dress code" is, especially for 'formal' British royal family public events, and with Meghan being a brand new member of the royal family --- one who is very controversial, by the way, I just wonder WHY Meghan would choose a dress that is a bit provocative. I mean, to me, it's NOT really an APPROPRIATE CHOICE for a day time occasion. It's not only slightly off the shoulder, but if you look at the photo -- on her right side where it actually falls quite a bit below her shoulder, it's actually kind of sexy, especially for a royal 'formal' daytime event. I would have no problem with this dress for an evening engagement, but I think that unless Meghan is purposely trying to be 'in your face' to the Royals about HER being able to wear whatever SHE wants, she could have avoided the whole controversy if she hadn't chosen it for the day time.
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Post by Arielflies on Jun 10, 2018 16:02:19 GMT
Well, when you look at the full view of the family on the balcony for the trooping of the colors, you see the royal princess cousins (Eugenie and her sister) on the fringe of the far left side. Talk about sour pusses! While others are laughing and smiling they are pouting. And look at their dowdy dresses. Anyway, I had read a short note before the engagement that they were being very snooty about Meghan.
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 10, 2018 16:56:51 GMT
Eugenie is actually quite fun, I don't think ( like Fergie) they care much for the Royal life.. Everyone will have a say about Meghan's clothing etc, they did with Diana, and Kate...you marry into it, you're prepared for it. It's all part of the family she married into. I loved the powder blue the Queen wore, it's my favourite colour on her..
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Post by acookertv on Jun 10, 2018 18:05:11 GMT
So far my observation on Megan’s royal fashion is that we’re not seeing much variety. Her dress and hat yesterday looked very similar to what she wore for the garden party for Prince Charles. I wonder if that’s intentional to allow her to blend in and show respect to traditions. It’s only two events so I won’t worry about it being the way yet. But I hope we start getting some variety. I dint want her to just blend in!
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 10, 2018 18:17:56 GMT
I liked what she wore, the colour was fabulous with her skin tone...
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Jun 10, 2018 19:06:58 GMT
I think she looks lovely in that daytime dress. She can wear anything, and look great. I give her props for not wanting to look dowdy.
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Post by Critical on Jun 10, 2018 19:41:14 GMT
So far my observation on Megan’s royal fashion is that we’re not seeing much variety. Her dress and hat yesterday looked very similar to what she wore for the garden party for Prince Charles. I wonder if that’s intentional to allow her to blend in and show respect to traditions. It’s only two events so I won’t worry about it being the way yet. But I hope we start getting some variety. I dint want her to just blend in! If that's what she's doing, she's being smart. IMO, she needs to blend in a bit and get the lay of the land, at least initially. It hasn't even been a month yet. Maybe she'll feel more comfortable after she does the tour with the Queen.
I think she wears neutrals a lot, so that may just be her regular color palate. Since Catherine was in blue, she probably wanted to avoid blue, which wouldn't have looked as good on her as the color she wore. I agree that pale peach looks lovely with her skin.
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Post by babbred on Jun 12, 2018 17:53:44 GMT
All of a sudden everyone is an expert in royal etiquette. All this b.s. pearl clutching. Sent from my SAMSUNG-S7 using Tapatalk I totally agree that Meghan looked lovely, and I am the furthest thing from being a prude. BUT knowing what the British royal day time "dress code" is, especially for 'formal' British royal family public events, and with Meghan being a brand new member of the royal family --- one who is very controversial, by the way, I just wonder WHY Meghan would choose a dress that is a bit provocative. I mean, to me, it's NOT really an APPROPRIATE CHOICE for a day time occasion. It's not only slightly off the shoulder, but if you look at the photo -- on her right side where it actually falls quite a bit below her shoulder, it's actually kind of sexy, especially for a royal 'formal' daytime event. I would have no problem with this dress for an evening engagement, but I think that unless Meghan is purposely trying to be 'in your face' to the Royals about HER being able to wear whatever SHE wants, she could have avoided the whole controversy if she hadn't chosen it for the day time.
I was unaware of this story until I read about it here. Having now seen the dress, I have changed my mind. No, it was not appropriate. I don't care if you're dealing with royalty, there is a certain etiquette to wearing clothes. I was always taught that anything off-the-shoulder or risque was only appropriate for the evening. Same thing with glitzy dresses or wearing black (unless you're attending a funeral, of course). As another example, if you receive an invitation to a British wedding and it says "morning attire." it means pretty much what you see at a Royal wedding. If Meghan had appeared in that dress at say, Kate's wedding, the gossip rags would have had a field day.
Does anybody else feel like we're discussing that scene early in Gone With the Wind? The one where Scarlett wants to wear a dress with cleavage to the barbeque and Mammy is horrified.
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 12, 2018 18:41:30 GMT
babbred! It's totally like that. I liked the dress, and I think most younger Americans would consider it appropriate for most occasions. In terms of "bareness" it wasn't a lot different from the more casual dress that Duchess Kate wore to the polo match last weekend (though Kate seemed to have pulled her neckline up so that it wasn't going off the shoulder as much as it might have). For state occasions, there do seem to be standards that it may have violated, but whether they are written in stone or just something that everyone "knows to do" is unclear. The article that I saw about the dress was more scandalized by the bare arms than it was by the neckline. Supposedly, women have always worn at least a three-quarter length sleeve to these types of affairs. But if those standards are something that are truly important, I'm guessing that Meghan would have gotten the memo unless, like I said before, it's just something that any Brit would know and no one thought to tell her. I'm guessing if it really is a big deal, she'll change her approach in the future.
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Post by Critical on Jun 12, 2018 21:30:06 GMT
babbred ! It's totally like that. I liked the dress, and I think most younger Americans would consider it appropriate for most occasions. In terms of "bareness" it wasn't a lot different from the more casual dress that Duchess Kate wore to the polo match last weekend (though Kate seemed to have pulled her neckline up so that it wasn't going off the shoulder as much as it might have). For state occasions, there do seem to be standards that it may have violated, but whether they are written in stone or just something that everyone "knows to do" is unclear. The article that I saw about the dress was more scandalized by the bare arms than it was by the neckline. Supposedly, women have always worn at least a three-quarter length sleeve to these types of affairs. But if those standards are something that are truly important, I'm guessing that Meghan would have gotten the memo unless, like I said before, it's just something that any Brit would know and no one thought to tell her. I'm guessing if it really is a big deal, she'll change her approach in the future. And then random people on the internet who are self-proclaimed experts about royal etiquette will find something else to find fault with Knowing that pretty much everything the royals do is so regulated, I'd bet Meghan's outfit was given the once over and approved of by someone in the know. I'm sure the moment she stepped out onto that balcony was not the first time anyone saw her in that dress. If it had been deemed inappropriate, I'm sure they would have told her she needed to choose something else to wear. Perhaps they're trying to get people to loosen up and make the royal family look a bit more youthful and stylish It's like the 19th century with people being upset over a woman showing her shoulders.
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Post by ibot2much on Jun 12, 2018 21:46:19 GMT
I agree with Critical. Nothing happens at The Firm by chance. I am sure everything is scheduled and approved. This is kind of like when Fergie arrived at the wedding. She was sent out at that particular time...it was not her own decision.
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Post by Critical on Jun 12, 2018 21:54:15 GMT
Re: Fergie's arrival - Totally! She arrived close enough to the royals that it wasn't noticeable (to most) that she didn't arrive WITH them.
ETA: Kudos, BTW, to Harry for insisting she be invited.
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Post by babbred on Jun 13, 2018 0:05:02 GMT
babbred ! It's totally like that. I liked the dress, and I think most younger Americans would consider it appropriate for most occasions. In terms of "bareness" it wasn't a lot different from the more casual dress that Duchess Kate wore to the polo match last weekend (though Kate seemed to have pulled her neckline up so that it wasn't going off the shoulder as much as it might have). For state occasions, there do seem to be standards that it may have violated, but whether they are written in stone or just something that everyone "knows to do" is unclear. The article that I saw about the dress was more scandalized by the bare arms than it was by the neckline. Supposedly, women have always worn at least a three-quarter length sleeve to these types of affairs. But if those standards are something that are truly important, I'm guessing that Meghan would have gotten the memo unless, like I said before, it's just something that any Brit would know and no one thought to tell her. I'm guessing if it really is a big deal, she'll change her approach in the future. And then random people on the internet who are self-proclaimed experts about royal etiquette will find something else to find fault with Knowing that pretty much everything the royals do is so regulated, I'd bet Meghan's outfit was given the once over and approved of by someone in the know. I'm sure the moment she stepped out onto that balcony was not the first time anyone saw her in that dress. If it had been deemed inappropriate, I'm sure they would have told her she needed to choose something else to wear. Perhaps they're trying to get people to loosen up and make the royal family look a bit more youthful and stylish It's like the 19th century with people being upset over a woman showing her shoulders.
Scarlett O' Hara could relate! Remember Mammy pulling up her cleavage and fluffing out the ruffles on Scarlett's dress? "A woman doesn't show her bosom until after 3 o'clock." Maybe it's good sometimes to rock the boat.
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 13, 2018 3:15:26 GMT
Does anyone know why Harry's uniform for state occasions is black (or dark blue) instead of the red that Andrew, Charles, Phillip, and William wear? Does it have to do with position within the royal family, or is it a matter of seniority within the armed service branch he's in?
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 13, 2018 3:36:04 GMT
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Post by justCoz on Jun 13, 2018 4:05:10 GMT
Does anyone know why Harry's uniform for state occasions is black (or dark blue) instead of the red that Andrew, Charles, Phillip, and William wear? Does it have to do with position within the royal family, or is it a matter of seniority within the armed service branch he's in? In the commentary leading up to the wedding there was speculation that he'd wear the uniform for the role he took over from Prince Phillip last year since it's higher ranking than the uniform that he ended up wearing. When he was seen on the day in the black they commented it's the dress uniform of the regiment(?) he served with in Afganistan. For some reason I also think I heard somewhere it's his favorite. I like that he picked that one because it is the one he earned in service. Not that it's not okay to wear an honorary one, but it makes sense that he's proud of that accomplishment .
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Post by MissScarlet on Jun 13, 2018 4:35:59 GMT
I'm an old stick in the mud, and I liked Meghan's dress. I saw nothing whatsoever inappropriate about it.
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