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Post by FannyMare on Sept 14, 2018 3:52:23 GMT
Brett hugged everyone but Tyler. Tyler kept stammering, "You're the best player in here, Brett." Translation= I don't think I can beat you in the F2..
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Post by MFWalkoff on Sept 14, 2018 4:00:53 GMT
I hope she stays. I'm hoping she used tonight to make her statement, but to also take a stand that her career is her own doing, and that she's not going to give it up just to make some higher-ups less uncomfortable. She isn't her husband, so she shouldn't be prosecuted as if she was. But by saying, Julie Chen Moonves, isn't standing up for herself, it's imho MFW, but I'd have dropped the Moonves.or not added it, I should say I'm afraid if your husband is guilty for some people you would have to have known. I don't believe that, many men lead double lives Sorry, off track Knowing isn't a crime, and she's probably known for months since he had to prepare her for the media circus she would encounter. But unless she held these women down while he was harrassing them, why should she be dragged and executed as if she had? Les should receive the justice he deserves. But with Julie, I think people are starting to confuse justice with expediency when it comes to social media and mass villainization.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 14, 2018 4:04:25 GMT
But by saying, Julie Chen Moonves, isn't standing up for herself, it's imho MFW, but I'd have dropped the Moonves.or not added it, I should say I'm afraid if your husband is guilty for some people you would have to have known. I don't believe that, many men lead double lives Sorry, off track Knowing isn't a crime, and she's probably known for months since he had to prepare her for the media circus she would encounter. But unless she held these women down while he was harassing them, why should she be dragged and executed as if she had? Les should receive the justice he deserves. But with Julie, I think people are starting to confuse justice with expediency when it comes to social media and mass villainization. Yes, I agree..
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Post by Gutmutter on Sept 14, 2018 11:09:31 GMT
Thanks to everyone reporting on the DE! I’m sorry some of you were disappointed with the outcome, but as a fervent L6 fan, I feel Brett broke ranks too early. I wish JC had gone first, but I’m enjoying the fact that he’s on edge now and will likely be on the block with Angela winning HOH.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Sept 14, 2018 11:20:36 GMT
It is an offense in some states to not report a crime. I chose California law as a guide because many of the crimes committed by Moonves happened in California. Where I live you definitely go to jail for either not reporting a crime or helping to conceal it in some way or stating to investigators you have no knowledge when you do. My stalkers friend spent time in jail for failing to report he knew my stalker was committing a crime and for stating he had no knowledge of the crime(s). www.wklaw.com/knowing-about-a-crime-and-not-saying-anything/Julie Chen is not a victim. She is not haunted by nightmares, flashbacks and her career has not been derailed. In fact, she sleeps comfortably beside the beast whose actions created those nightmares, flashbacks and career derailments for all of his victims. To openly question Julie Chens moral compass, to deride her if she knew but chose to remain silent, is not a case of rushing to turn her into a villain. It is an important conversation about culpability and complicity through silence. 11 months ago it was a different world. Silence was what drove the behavior, what protected it, guarded it and allowed it to flourish. Not just in entertainment, but in every facet of life. For thousands of years. Julie Chen did not have to physically hold down any of Les Moonves victims to be a participant in his crimes. All she had to do was keep her mouth shut. Because her silence, like the silence of so many before her, is as criminal and morally repugnant as the actual physical acts. Some say "rush to judgement." I say "What the hell took so long?" Again, Julie Chen is not a victim, And it's about time people are finally able to talk openly about those who stay silent while the beast hunts. Evil triumphs when good people stand by and do nothing.
ETA: Chen opened the door for people to question her when she gave a shout out to her husband. It's not like Moonves DIDN"T DO what he is accused of doing. There is enough evidence to back the statements made by victims. Sure , Chen is likeable , but being likeable isn't immunization against making bad choices.
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Post by rockytopchick on Sept 14, 2018 12:48:52 GMT
Serious question: How did Julie Chen know what her husband was doing? Was she present when the harassment was happening or did he come home to her at night and tell her about who he had harassed that day? And I don't know much about the timeline of their relationship and marriage, but did some of this happen before they were together?
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Post by annab on Sept 14, 2018 18:18:04 GMT
I was sad to see Brett go. I would rather it had been Sam, honestly. She and this game do not get along and so keeping her around doesn't seem right. Brett did more the alliance (even though he was talking about splitting it up, that wasn't until the very end). Oh well, DE night is always a stressful night for me (and I'm not even playing the game). Looks like things are going to speed up now, which is good.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 14, 2018 18:35:52 GMT
I was sad to see Brett go. I would rather it had been Sam, honestly. She and this game do not get along and so keeping her around doesn't seem right. Brett did more the alliance (even though he was talking about splitting it up, that wasn't until the very end). Oh well, DE night is always a stressful night for me (and I'm not even playing the game). Looks like things are going to speed up now, which is good. I would expect that at some point, L6 would eat its own..but not when Sam and JC are still in the friggin house.Sam is a terrible HG..
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Post by redsoxgirl on Sept 15, 2018 19:25:54 GMT
Serious question: How did Julie Chen know what her husband was doing? Was she present when the harassment was happening or did he come home to her at night and tell her about who he had harassed that day? And I don't know much about the timeline of their relationship and marriage, but did some of this happen before they were together? The atmosphere at CBS has long been ne filled with sexual harassment-it was an open secret in the industry. Not that any other industry can claim it's treated women with dignity and respect. However, CBS, under Les Moonves, became even more over the top with Moonves and others grabbing women, forcing themselves on them, demanding sex, unzipping their flies and taking out 'mr.happy.' Moonves was known to greet potential female employees in his bathrobe. This was chronicled in great detail, with sources by Pulitzer prize winning journalist Rowan Farrow. Moonves behavior, including sexual assault, spans decades-and Chen was there when it was going on. As his employee and wife she would have knowledge of her husbands behavior, because again, the culture at CBs was not secretive-and Moonves himself was not behaving this way behind closed doors. He wasn't hiding it because, as a man in a position of great power, who would challenge him? Certainly not the women he demeaned. I think you are confusing him with a predator who behaves in secret, hiding his repugnqant behavior from a wife and friends out of shame. The last thing Moonvees feels is shame or guilt. He was open about all of it and has so little respect for women he probably enjoyed Chen being aware of his treatment of women. The question isn't how could she know? It's How could she not know. Because everyone else at CBS either saw directly or heard about it. When she signed off as Julie Chen-Moonves it was a shot across the bow towards the women her husband victimized. It was a giant middle finger to them. She was probably triggered by a second report, recently released, that details the experiences of six women. What makes Chens sign off so tone deaf is that it comes across as just gross, for lack of a better word. Again, Chen would have to be living in a Siberian salt mine in order to have no clue of her husbands horrible behavior.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 15, 2018 19:33:30 GMT
It could mean that, yes. Or it could mean, I'm standing by my husband, for better or worse.( those are the vows we take) and it can't get much worse I'm trying to think how I'd feel, would I leave my husband, I really don't know.. Would I cuss him out behind closed doors, damn right I would, but would I stand by him, I probably would. This plays out in everyday life, Julie and her husband, like Clinton and Hillary, play out in public..a whole different scenario than what I would have to endure I would feel terrible for the women, and if it seems like I'm giving them the middle finger, all I could say, was I would never do that..ever
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