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Post by tinderbox on Jun 20, 2018 16:14:14 GMT
I, too, enjoyed Man in the Orange Shirt.
Anybody else wonder about Robert's story? What happened in his life? Was he alive or dead? I would have loved even a few sentences about his adult life....or did I miss them?
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Post by mina on Jun 20, 2018 18:00:52 GMT
Endeavour next sunday! woohoo!!!
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Post by FannyMare on Jun 20, 2018 18:22:16 GMT
I really enjoyed it. It was sad how they had to live, but it still touched my heart.
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Post by Mikesgirl on Jun 20, 2018 23:26:58 GMT
I, too, enjoyed Man in the Orange Shirt. Anybody else wonder about Robert's story? What happened in his life? Was he alive or dead? I would have loved even a few sentences about his adult life....or did I miss them? From a Radio Times interview by author/creator: Patrick Gale: I think Thomas will never have got over Michael, who was so utterly a kindred spirit for him, but he’ll have found plenty of emotional compensations along the way, not least in the South of France where 1950s attitudes were a lot more relaxed than those in London. He does, however, develop a drink problem (still a major health issue for many gay people) which drives him to an early death. Poor Michael worked on at the bank but, when news of Thomas’s distant death reaches him, suffers a kind of breakdown and takes early retirement under the excuse of health problems, and dies at 60, leaving Flora with a long widowhood. The fate of little Robert is a tricky one to describe as he had one fate in my first version of the story – becoming a closeted Tory MP, very much controlled by Flora and then rebelling to leave his wife for the man he loves and becoming a human rights lawyer. In the final version, though, in which adult Robert no longer has a role, I decided that he rebelled against Flora and Michael’s stuffiness, became a bit of a hippy character, shacked up with a girl of whom they disapproved, then died with her in a car crash. Leaving Flora to park little Adam in a boarding school and raise him in the only, rather distant way she knows. |
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Post by tinderbox on Jun 21, 2018 0:55:27 GMT
Many thanks, Mikesgirl.
Seems as though Mr. Gale was conflicted in the direction he wanted to go with adult Robert so he just dropped the character from the later story. Interesting.
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Post by Mikesgirl on Jun 22, 2018 1:28:43 GMT
He does mention that he imagined the final version (going hippy route and dying young in a car crash) which is how he intended it for this portrayal, but he never disclosed it to us because adult Robert was not supposed to have a role in the unfolding of this story. I think the story was always meant to be more about Flora’s evolution process and closure. (acceptance)
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Post by tinderbox on Jun 22, 2018 15:04:17 GMT
He does mention that he imagined the final version (going hippy route and dying young in a car crash) which is how he intended it for this portrayal, but he never disclosed it to us because adult Robert was not supposed to have a role in the unfolding of this story. I think the story was always meant to be more about Flora’s evolution process and closure. (acceptance) I agree. Btw, the actress wo played young Flora was familiar to me and then I discovered she's the same actress who starred as Denise in The Paradise. I loved that series! Anyway, The Paradise was filmed only 5 or 6 years ago and I thought the actress appeared so much more mature looking in The Man in the Orange Shirt. Did you? |
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Post by Mikesgirl on Jun 22, 2018 21:16:20 GMT
Yes! and I also loved her in The Paradise too.... hmm I may have to check if either Amazon Prime or Netflix makes that series available. Would enjoy watching the seasons in sequence all at once.  |
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Post by Mikesgirl on Jun 23, 2018 1:44:07 GMT
Tune-in alert: Morse and Thursday are back on the case this Sunday on the season premiere of Endeavour airing at 9/8c on MASTERPIECE on PBS! Will you be tuning in?
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Post by Mikesgirl on Jun 28, 2018 23:35:08 GMT
Endeavor was enjoyable, I never expected the suspect at all. I always thought it was the last victim, right up until his death that is. Looking forward to the next episode.
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Post by mina on Jul 1, 2018 5:10:35 GMT
Muse was sad but great. I didn't suspect the killer either. I thought it was the quiet don that didn't go to the stag party and was in love with the widow of the first victim. I'm glad Joan is back- the scene between her and Morse was very cute and heartfelt and such great acting from both.
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Post by Mikesgirl on Jul 1, 2018 16:47:19 GMT
In the Morse series, Inspector Morse never married. I always wondered if it was because he always loved someone, but it didn’t happen. Sort of a great love lost, although he did have women who loved him. I wonder if Joan Friday was always the reason behind that?
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Post by mina on Jul 1, 2018 19:36:05 GMT
In the books and in the old tv show, Morse's great unrealized love is Susan/Wendy. They meet in university and they are engaged and she leaves him for another man. She shows up again in Inspector Morse when she mercy kills her sick husband. Morse is always in love with women who either kill or are victims and die. I don't think it's out of the story for him to have another love or long term relationship with Joan. He just obviously never speaks of her or the Thursdays when he is older. I personally think Endeavour will be written so that Joan dies- either in an accident or as a victim b/c of the Masons that hate him or someone that has a vendetta against him or Thursday. It will be something so heartwrenching that he doesn't bring her up again later, and it obviously scars him deeper in the love dept. I hope they will get to be happy for a like one episode at least. The writer of Endeavour is taking it towards Joan- he's been in love with her for like 3 seasons now, she's a character that is tremendously important to Morse. I read that Russell Lewis (the main and sole writer) has had it in his mind that they fall for one another since the moment they met- she opens the door to him on the first morning he picks up Fred. Time will tell where the story goes; but it's such a beautiful interaction between both characters- Sara Vicker and Shaun Evans are both great actors and have beautiful chemistry in their roles. It's lovely to watch.
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Post by Mikesgirl on Jul 2, 2018 3:07:36 GMT
Ahh Wendy/Susan the relationship that “ended badly” resulting in Endeavour having to leave University. Morse said “She preferred Susan” when his friend brought her up....was that in season 3, when Morse went off rogue after not passing the exam? I completely forgot that. Have never read the books, just watched the series, and of course now Endeavour.
Thanks so much mina!
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Post by Mikesgirl on Jul 10, 2018 21:16:08 GMT
Well, I am a bigger fan of Bright now! At first, I did not like him. Then he started showing more support for Endeavor, and I sort of liked him, but after Sunday's episode when he stood up to that violent natured "bully", I love the character!
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 10, 2018 22:14:07 GMT
PBS Masterpiece and British broadcaster ITV have teamed up to bring Jane Austen’s unfinished final novel Sanditon to television...  |
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Post by Mikesgirl on Jul 11, 2018 1:15:52 GMT
We are on the same wave length  I saw that earlier today and meant to comment on it. From the PB article: Written only months before Austen’s death in 1817, Sanditon tells the story of the joyously impulsive, spirited and unconventional Charlotte Heywood and her spiky relationship with the humorous, charming (and slightly wild!) Sidney Parker. When a chance accident transports her from her rural hometown of Willingden to the would-be coastal resort of the eponymous title, it exposes Charlotte to the intrigues and dalliances of a seaside town on the make, and the characters whose fortunes depend on its commercial success. The twists and turns of the plot, which take viewers from the West Indies to the rotting alleys of London, expose the hidden agendas of each character and sees Charlotte discover herself… and ultimately find love. www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/specialfeatures/jane-austens-unfinished-final-novel-sanditon-comes-to-masterpiece/ |
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jul 11, 2018 10:27:55 GMT
We are on the same wave length I saw that earlier today and meant to comment on it. From the PB article: Written only months before Austen’s death in 1817, Sanditon tells the story of the joyously impulsive, spirited and unconventional Charlotte Heywood and her spiky relationship with the humorous, charming (and slightly wild!) Sidney Parker. When a chance accident transports her from her rural hometown of Willingden to the would-be coastal resort of the eponymous title, it exposes Charlotte to the intrigues and dalliances of a seaside town on the make, and the characters whose fortunes depend on its commercial success. The twists and turns of the plot, which take viewers from the West Indies to the rotting alleys of London, expose the hidden agendas of each character and sees Charlotte discover herself… and ultimately find love. www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/specialfeatures/jane-austens-unfinished-final-novel-sanditon-comes-to-masterpiece/I've never heard of Sanditon, and it sounds like a great story that will be wonderful to watch on Masterpiece. It apparently won't be ready to air for a very long time though, cause the article says that filming will start in the Spring of 2019 --- so the show probably won't be aired until the Fall of 2020 or thereabouts. I hope you guys will remind us then, of how good this show should be! |
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Post by mina on Jul 12, 2018 1:38:37 GMT
Well, I am a bigger fan of Bright now! At first, I did not like him. Then he started showing more support for Endeavor, and I sort of liked him, but after Sunday's episode when he stood up to that violent natured "bully", I love the character! I love Bright. He's one of my favorite characters on this show! He's like a protective grandpa! The way he looks after all of them and especially Trewlove is very touching. |
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Post by Mikesgirl on Jul 31, 2018 3:14:05 GMT
Endeavor finale was shocking, George being killed (when I was just beginning to like him). Trewlove moving on to Scotland Yard. Thursday losing ALL of his retirement money. But, ending sweetly with Endeavor asking Joan out....
Looking forward to next season!
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Post by babbred on Jul 31, 2018 20:57:19 GMT
In the books and in the old tv show, Morse's great unrealized love is Susan/Wendy. They meet in university and they are engaged and she leaves him for another man. She shows up again in Inspector Morse when she mercy kills her sick husband. Morse is always in love with women who either kill or are victims and die. I don't think it's out of the story for him to have another love or long term relationship with Joan. He just obviously never speaks of her or the Thursdays when he is older. I personally think Endeavour will be written so that Joan dies- either in an accident or as a victim b/c of the Masons that hate him or someone that has a vendetta against him or Thursday. It will be something so heartwrenching that he doesn't bring her up again later, and it obviously scars him deeper in the love dept. I hope they will get to be happy for a like one episode at least. The writer of Endeavour is taking it towards Joan- he's been in love with her for like 3 seasons now, she's a character that is tremendously important to Morse. I read that Russell Lewis (the main and sole writer) has had it in his mind that they fall for one another since the moment they met- she opens the door to him on the first morning he picks up Fred. Time will tell where the story goes; but it's such a beautiful interaction between both characters- Sara Vicker and Shaun Evans are both great actors and have beautiful chemistry in their roles. It's lovely to watch.
So do I, just because it's a trope as old as storytelling itself. The Great Hero must work alone. Think of all the superheros. Heck, even in the current Marvel movies, Black Widow fell in love with Bruce Banner/The Hulk. So what happened? They made his character disappear.  |
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Post by Mikesgirl on Aug 1, 2018 0:28:46 GMT
I had always wondered if Endeavour held back just a little in pursuing Joan, because she was the daughter of his senior partner. But, since they may be going different ways now that the precinct (or whatever they call it) is disbanding, maybe they can enjoy a little bit of romance? I hope so, I would love for them to enjoy some romance.
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Post by babbred on Aug 1, 2018 15:09:32 GMT
Speaking of storytelling tropes, notice that at the end it was only the men who pledged to avenge Strangelove's death. His GF was conveniently out of the picture. I wonder if she will ever come back, or if she is really gone for good? Anyway, that jumped out at me.
On a lighter note, during the "Colours" episode, I thought they were calling the perfume factory FedEx. I kept wondering why Federal Express would be involved in a murder mystery.  Also loved how at the very end of that episode Thursday gave in to Morse's pleading look and said "G'on, then." My British husband says that to me!
And can I confess something? I like Thursday more than I do Morse.  I'm sorry, but Morse is just too earnest for me. I love Thursday's pragmatism. I also love how he conveys that sense of menace with just a few words. And his happy home life. I really felt badly for him in the finale. I totally get why Mrs. Thursday would be cheesed off. I probably would have left him for a while, too. But it would be such a shame to throw all those years of marriage down the drain.  And I love seeing Thursday interact with his kids. |
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Post by mina on Aug 3, 2018 4:07:54 GMT
It was sad about George, but I thought he and Trewlove were mismatched. I think if he had lived , she would have become really bored of him. Dakota Blue Richards wanted to leave the show; so one of the reasons George was introduced was to write her out after his death. She said she would be open for a return guest appearance however. I always had the thought that she would end up with Jim Strange! He always seemed protective of her and called her "Shirl".
I love thursday more too! He is just steady and a decent man. Morse gets on my nerves at times. I mean, on one hand, yes he had a trying childhood and sad young adulthood and it made him emotionally stupid about women. But, on the other hand, I get annoyed. Like if you love someone so deeply and are so smart otherwise then man up,take the risk, and tell her. He is quite exhausting to watch. Joan is hated quite fiercely by some in the fandom, but Morse is just as much or more to blame for their lack of relationship. I hope the writer does give Morse and Joan a little bit of happiness before it undoubtedly ends. Joan will be in the next installment, so hopefully it won't be so dark with them in the beginning at least. Let them have their coffee and just be happy for one episode at least!!!!
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Post by babbred on Aug 3, 2018 16:59:24 GMT
It was sad about George, but I thought he and Trewlove were mismatched. I think if he had lived , she would have become really bored of him. Dakota Blue Richards wanted to leave the show; so one of the reasons George was introduced was to write her out after his death. She said she would be open for a return guest appearance however. I always had the thought that she would end up with Jim Strange! He always seemed protective of her and called her "Shirl". I love thursday more too! He is just steady and a decent man. Morse gets on my nerves at times. I mean, on one hand, yes he had a trying childhood and sad young adulthood and it made him emotionally stupid about women. But, on the other hand, I get annoyed. Like if you love someone so deeply and are so smart otherwise then man up,take the risk, and tell her. He is quite exhausting to watch. Joan is hated quite fiercely by some in the fandom, but Morse is just as much or more to blame for their lack of relationship. I hope the writer does give Morse and Joan a little bit of happiness before it undoubtedly ends. Joan will be in the next installment, so hopefully it won't be so dark with them in the beginning at least. Let them have their coffee and just be happy for one episode at least!!!!
Thanks for the information about George and Trewlove. 
So it looks like we'll have an overarching mystery next season. Who killed George? My theory is that somebody killed him out in his car, then moved his body inside to make it look like the gangsters did it. That would mean, of course, that they were fairly high up since they had advance knowledge of the attack. Maybe they even set up the attack to provide them with a cover? And why kill George? Was he getting too close to something? I bet it's somebody higher up in the government or police. They would have the resources to cover up the crime like that.
Yes, thank you! That's how I feel. He's so earnest and dead set on doing things his way. It's always black and white with him, never any shade of gray. A perfect example is that little scene where Thursday told him he was going to let the battered wife go. Oh my goodness! A woman who's been through hell, but let's not show her any mercy! No, she killed him, that's it, lock 'er up. I wanted to reach through the screen and beat up Morse.
And speaking of that storyline, why did that wife kill her husband in such a spectacular fashion if they were spies? Why not just slip a little poison into his tea? She could have just picked up an Agatha Christie novel for advice on how to get away with it.  |
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Post by Mikesgirl on Aug 3, 2018 16:59:41 GMT
I’m not annoyed with Morse....ever! He is a lover of women that just makes poor decisions because he is such a softy. Outside of that, he is a genius, passionate for upholding the law and truth. Thursday, whom I also love, is more flexible with the law. More willing to take things into his own hands (which I am wary of, even if I do support it at times). I think they balance each other, over time his influence will be felt by Morse. |
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Post by Mikesgirl on Aug 3, 2018 20:35:07 GMT
Oh, just a reminder:
"Every woman is the architect of her own fortune."
The Miniaturist, starring Anya Taylor-Joy, premieres Sunday, September 9 at 9/8c on MASTERPIECE on PBS.
About the Show
In 1686, 18-year-old Nella Oortman (Anya Taylor-Joy, Split, The Witch) arrives in Amsterdam to meet her wealthy merchant husband Johannes Brandt (Alex Hassell, Genius: Picasso), but is instead met by his sister Marin (Romola Garai, Churchill’s Secret, The Hour). When Johannes appears, he presents her with a wedding gift: a cabinet that is a miniature replica of their home, to be furnished by an elusive Miniaturist, whose tiny creations mirror what is happening within the house in unexpected ways and seem to be predicting and unraveling the future with unsettling precision.
As Nella begins to uncover its secrets and those of the Brandt household she realizes the escalating dangers that await them all. Does the Miniaturist hold their fate in her hands? And will she be the key to their salvation or the architect of their downfall?
Adapted from Jessie Burton’s internationally best-selling novel, The Miniaturist, a ravishing three-part period thriller, premieres Sunday, September 9, 2018, 9/8c on MASTERPIECE on PBS.
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Post by babbred on Aug 7, 2018 2:45:20 GMT
I’m not annoyed with Morse....ever! He is a lover of women that just makes poor decisions because he is such a softy. Outside of that, he is a genius, passionate for upholding the law and truth. Thursday, whom I also love, is more flexible with the law. More willing to take things into his own hands (which I am wary of, even if I do support it at times). I think they balance each other, over time his influence will be felt by Morse.
You know, I realized that for some reason I stopped watching this show after the tiger-in-the-garden episode. I have been watching Seasons 2 and 3 again on Amazon. Oh man, I forgot what great episodes they had on this show. And I take back my negative opinion of Morse. He's a real trooper. It's so sweet to watch how loyal and brave he is.
How many women has that poor man loved? The one in college, the nurse, the one whose photograph he took...Did I miss anyone? Oh man, I hope he finds some happiness with Joan before this is all over.
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Post by Mikesgirl on Sept 4, 2018 5:41:35 GMT
The Durrells in Corfu will premiere on PBS' Masterpiece this Fall! Season 3 will be comprised of eight episodes, and is slated to begin on Sunday, September 30.
Right now we are watching the previous seasons again on Sundays, and I just have to say how completely charming is the actor (Milo Parker) portraying Gerry!
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Post by Fo'Realz? on Sept 4, 2018 17:26:22 GMT
The Durrells in Corfu will premiere on PBS' Masterpiece this Fall! Season 3 will be comprised of eight episodes, and is slated to begin on Sunday, September 30. Right now we are watching the previous seasons again on Sundays, and I just have to say how completely charming is the actor (Milo Parker) portraying Gerry! So looking forward to The Durrells in Corfu getting started again, I fell in love with this show right from the start!  |
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I saw that earlier today and meant to comment on it.
Also loved how at the very end of that episode Thursday gave in to Morse's pleading look and said "G'on, then." My British husband says that to me! 
I'm sorry, but Morse is just too earnest for me. I love Thursday's pragmatism. I also love how he conveys that sense of menace with just a few words. And his happy home life. I really felt badly for him in the finale. I totally get why Mrs. Thursday would be cheesed off. I probably would have left him for a while, too. But it would be such a shame to throw all those years of marriage down the drain. 
And I love seeing Thursday interact with his kids.
