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Post by MFWalkoff on Jul 7, 2023 0:36:22 GMT
Seeing Red - The designers are forced to share a single bolt of fabric to demonstrate how they can stand out from one another and prove why they're the top designer; actor, producer and Emmy Award-winning writer Lena Waithe joins as guest judge.
New episodes air each Thursday night on Bravo, and are available for streaming the next day on Peacock.
Enjoy the show!
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Post by Navybelle on Jul 7, 2023 2:26:50 GMT
Christian says he's going to murder Anna, but I'm feeling like hurting HIM if he "helps" her one more time. Let her crash and burn! I'm over her.
Fabio also didn't listen to Christian.
I love this challenge! Just wish they had a little extra time to do their signature looks.
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Post by Navybelle on Jul 7, 2023 2:29:27 GMT
Oh my goodness. Anna is in the top?? They like it because it stands out. The other designers agree with me, it's ridiculous. Korto's going off!!
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Post by tilden on Jul 7, 2023 2:51:09 GMT
I reacted the same way the majority of the other designers did when Anna's square red box decorated with handmade party streamers was in the top three. Even if it hadn't been too much like her unconventional materials dress, it was just ugly. Her explanation of how it differed from the unconventional materials dress was ridiculous as well--it's made out of a different material. Well, of course it is because everyone had to use the same material. Geez. I also agree that Christian needs to stop helping her by telling her what to change. He does have a tendency to be way more specific about what people should do than he needs to be. He may be doing it with the best of intentions, but they need to fly or fall on their own merits. I think Tim, perhaps because of his teaching background, was better at letting people figure out how to fix problems on their own.
It's not like I thought Hester's outfit was brilliant but at least there seemed to be some sort of idea there. It wasn't just a short dress covered with ruffles. Again. I also didn't think Kara Saun belonged in the top three. The skirt was still barely long enough to cover the model, even with the added material, and I just don't get what's innovative or cool about a hood and overly long sleeves. We've seen it before. Given their top three, I do think that they got the winner right, as Brittnay was the only one who actually produced a finished, complete look that did what she wanted it to do without a helpful assist from Christian (of the top three as the judges chose them, I mean).
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Post by tilden on Jul 7, 2023 2:54:51 GMT
Oh my goodness. Anna is in the top?? They like it because it stands out. The other designers agree with me, it's ridiculous. Korto's going off!! The judges seem to have been given a different set of rules for the challenge than the designers were. Christian was pushing them not to show the same things they'd shown the judges before. The judges didn't seem to care about that as long as their designs stood out from what the other designers did. So if your same old, same old wasn't what the other designers did, that was better than trying to show something that was new for you, even if someone else did something similar. That seemed bogus to me. They didn't have any control over what anyone else chose to do. Only what they chose to do. |
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Post by Navybelle on Jul 7, 2023 2:59:23 GMT
Okay, now that it's over, I have to agree with those saying it's NOT her fault they put her in the top. Anna herself thought she was going home; her dress did not turn out the way she wanted it to. Some are so mad it's the same, thinking she should've gone home instead of Hester. I don't agree.
While Anna is definitely not my favorite, Hester's look was terrible. Absolutely horrid, and no matter how much she blamed the fabric, it still was a bad job. The other two in the bottom did not deserve to be there, so sending Hester home was the ONLY choice they had. She had the SAME fabric everyone else did, but she couldn't work with it and blamed it for her mess.
Anna should've just been safe, and Bishme's should've been in the top. Although I don't know where he got black fabric from and was that okay? I still thought his was the most original, even if it wasn't to everyone's taste. The faces were cool, and it took talent to make that, and they wanted something original. So he should've been in the top.
But I'm so glad Brittany won! That was the best of them all, to me. The top-stitching was great, she's an activewear designer, so it all just was perfect. I love that model, too - Mimi always looks so fierce coming down the runway. She's awesome.
There were so many boring looks, despite Christian's warnings. I guess that's the risk when using all the exact same fabric; while it's a great idea, it can easily turn boring.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Jul 7, 2023 5:06:05 GMT
I think they all just got too salty and too bitchy, because they were safe and she was in the top. None of their designs stood out enough to be more memorable to the judges than Anna's did... that's not her fault. They went total Mean Girl on her, as if she already doesn't feel alone among them.
My real anger is for Hester going home over Rami or Fabio. That was just favoritism on Nina's part. She defended Rami's look when it was indefensible. And Fabio's was just a mess, but you could tell by the soothing critiques he got that there is no way he's going home anytime soon, no matter what he does. Hester got screwed.
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Post by ibot2much on Jul 7, 2023 11:41:38 GMT
I don't think I have ever seen such an unpleasant atmosphere at PR. Nina was muttering to BM about the quality of the looks while the show was still going on and she did let loose about the "minimalist" designs after the show.
It wasn't the best show overall, but I do agree with the winner and loser.
Anna never should have been in the top. If they were going to reward her for making the same dress again, safe would have been far better. I have neve seen the designers go after another designer that way.....although I do remembered Korto going on in the past with complaints.
Why was Rami practically sobbing at the end of the show?
One more question----did they mention what Korto got as her extra prize for her win...I don't recall hearing about it.
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Post by beerbelly on Jul 7, 2023 17:43:10 GMT
I agree with you Navybelle, if the challenge was different and displaying one's POV Bishme should have been up there.
And I'm always intrigued with Hester, I really loved her the last time she was on and maybe didn't fully love everything she put out, it was interesting. Hester has something to say, whereas I am confused as to what Anna's POV is. Ruffles? Isn't that more of a one-trick pony thing? Plus, I don't see the effort, I mean if your thing is ruffles, I want to see some major ruffles, take it to another level.
I wish they would post the pictures of the runway looks, I would like to take another look at them. I liked the jacket with the leaves, although not groundbreaking, it is something I want to see again.
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Post by sunnydayz on Jul 7, 2023 19:29:27 GMT
When Christian was doing his walk-thru/check-in with each designer, he did say repeatedly, what's your best thing? What do you do that no one else in this room does? Anna's thing is ruffles...pretty much a one-trick pony thing, as you said BeerBelly. So she did more ruffles.
Nina did mention that she recognized how much work and effort Anna must have put in to get ruffles out of that fabric. That being said, make her safe, not in the top. Since when does putting in lots of work and effort get you in the top?
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Post by tilden on Jul 7, 2023 21:15:55 GMT
If Anna's "thing" is ruffles, is it just a single kind of ruffle or different kinds of ruffles? I'm not much of a ruffles woman myself, but aren't there different kinds of ruffles she could make? And couldn't she have made the dress underneath the ruffles a little more interesting? It wasn't a particularly flattering shape. It was just a short score block of red. I also didn't quite get why Nina was being so bitchy about people being minimalist. If they'd gotten a trip to Mood for notions/accessories that would go with that material, even if they had to be the exact same color, that might have given them more of a chance to differentiate their styles, even if they were given a minimal amount of money to spend.
I did think Brittany was really smart to do the top-stiching, as it fit with her style and gave her design a way to stand out. I don't think that's the only reason she won--not at all--but it was a smart move on her part.
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Post by tilden on Jul 7, 2023 21:17:30 GMT
Okay, now that it's over, I have to agree with those saying it's NOT her fault they put her in the top. Anna herself thought she was going home; her dress did not turn out the way she wanted it to. Some are so mad it's the same, thinking she should've gone home instead of Hester. I don't agree. While Anna is definitely not my favorite, Hester's look was terrible. Absolutely horrid, and no matter how much she blamed the fabric, it still was a bad job. The other two in the bottom did not deserve to be there, so sending Hester home was the ONLY choice they had. She had the SAME fabric everyone else did, but she couldn't work with it and blamed it for her mess. Anna should've just been safe, and Bishme's should've been in the top. Although I don't know where he got black fabric from and was that okay? I still thought his was the most original, even if it wasn't to everyone's taste. The faces were cool, and it took talent to make that, and they wanted something original. So he should've been in the top. But I'm so glad Brittany won! That was the best of them all, to me. The top-stitching was great, she's an activewear designer, so it all just was perfect. I love that model, too - Mimi always looks so fierce coming down the runway. She's awesome. There were so many boring looks, despite Christian's warnings. I guess that's the risk when using all the exact same fabric; while it's a great idea, it can easily turn boring. |
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 8, 2023 6:08:07 GMT
Okay, now that it's over, I have to agree with those saying it's NOT her fault they put her in the top. Anna herself thought she was going home; her dress did not turn out the way she wanted it to. Some are so mad it's the same, thinking she should've gone home instead of Hester. I don't agree. While Anna is definitely not my favorite, Hester's look was terrible. Absolutely horrid, and no matter how much she blamed the fabric, it still was a bad job. The other two in the bottom did not deserve to be there, so sending Hester home was the ONLY choice they had. She had the SAME fabric everyone else did, but she couldn't work with it and blamed it for her mess. Anna should've just been safe, and Bishme's should've been in the top. Although I don't know where he got black fabric from and was that okay? I still thought his was the most original, even if it wasn't to everyone's taste. The faces were cool, and it took talent to make that, and they wanted something original. So he should've been in the top. But I'm so glad Brittany won! That was the best of them all, to me. The top-stitching was great, she's an activewear designer, so it all just was perfect. I love that model, too - Mimi always looks so fierce coming down the runway. She's awesome. There were so many boring looks, despite Christian's warnings. I guess that's the risk when using all the exact same fabric; while it's a great idea, it can easily turn boring. Bishme's black "fabric" was interfacing, which was very clever. Christian knew he was doing it and thought it was cool, so I guess it was legal. I agree that he should have been in the top. My top three would have been Bishme, Kara Sahn, and Brittany. I was glad that Brittany won. Anna's look was just plain bad, I thought. The ruffles were too sparse. It was the Anna version of what got the woman sent home on the Toys challenge. An interesting idea, perhaps, that wasn't complete or well executed. Anna knew it wasn't good, so what was with the judges? |
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Post by ibot2much on Jul 8, 2023 14:28:35 GMT
We have been talking about Anna since the beginning. Both her redemption dress and the toy dress were not good yet she remained in the competition. To put her in the top three this week made no sense.....what is going on with the judges and their attachment to her. I was trying to think of last season when Anna first appeared. I don't recall her designs being memorable. After all they had four finalists because the talent level was so high and Anna was not one of them.
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Post by ccl on Jul 9, 2023 1:00:10 GMT
Hester should have gone home for the “novelty” bikini babe shirt she was wearing at the runway. Personally have never been a fan of hers so fine with her going home.
Brittany’s look I feel has been done -the pants with the snaps, left open; the bra top. But it was fine. It was well made and I’m ok with her winning. Her talking of having a stroke on a plane..eek.
Rami’s look sounded more interesting than what he came up with, talking about the tulip opening with Christian…but it was fine. Fabio’s outfit was also fine. I liked Kara Saun’s top but that skirt was still too short. I didn’t like the leaves that Laurence’s top had. Korto’s outfit was meh and not a patch on her seatbelt dress. It looked cheap.
Kayne’s dress had an opening at the hip that was distracting; I don’t know if that was intentional. I liked Bishme’s - I would have put him at the top. I don’t even remember what Prajje’s looked like.
As for Anna - I don’t mind the ruffle per se but I don’t like how she used it. It just seemed thrown on and the bottom dress was nothing as another poster said. Maybe if they were placed differently. I don’t think it was on the other competitors to get on her though. They’re all competing - it’s not up to them what the judges like or choose. Going on about how they’re the best of the best and it’s not fair that someone repeated a dress. No, you’re the ones who were available/said yes. Don’t let your heads swell.
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Post by Navybelle on Jul 9, 2023 1:22:36 GMT
^LOL -- that shirt was AWFUL, wasn't it?  Hester seems to try too hard to be different sometimes, so I think that's what bugs me about it. ibot2much I agree that it was out of left field, for sure. All I remember from Anna's previous season was the van accident and her getting hurt, then she tried to continue but couldn't (PTSD-like). Can't recall any of her designs, taste level, etc. |
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Post by tilden on Jul 9, 2023 2:01:48 GMT
^LOL -- that shirt was AWFUL, wasn't it? Hester seems to try too hard to be different sometimes, so I think that's what bugs me about it. ibot2much I agree that it was out of left field, for sure. All I remember from Anna's previous season was the van accident and her getting hurt, then she tried to continue but couldn't (PTSD-like). Can't recall any of her designs, taste level, etc. I don't really remember Anna's designs from her previous seasons either, but she seems kind of distracted this time around. Like she wants to be there but doesn't want to be there at the same time. Or maybe she's just feeling overwhelmed when she's around all the other designers because she's more introverted or something. She certainly does seem easily upset when she gets any kind of criticism from Christian, who's helped her more than he's really had to so far. That doesn't bode well for the kind of blunt criticism she was getting after being in the top three last week. I did think it was kind of weird that we didn't see Christian there to give Hester a big send-off but saw Anna being questioned by Kayne instead. |
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 9, 2023 4:59:40 GMT
Is Christian doing the after show interviews with the eliminated designers this time around? I don’t see them on YouTube.
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Post by ibot2much on Jul 9, 2023 12:58:57 GMT
I do say that the other designers had no business getting mad at Anna. Maybe they had just about had it with the judges' favoritism...and they couldn't very well tell them their business. The fact that Viktor went home the previous week when Anna was also in the bottom may have colored or sharpened their opinions.
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Post by beerbelly on Jul 9, 2023 12:59:59 GMT
^LOL -- that shirt was AWFUL, wasn't it? Hester seems to try too hard to be different sometimes, so I think that's what bugs me about it. ibot2much I agree that it was out of left field, for sure. All I remember from Anna's previous season was the van accident and her getting hurt, then she tried to continue but couldn't (PTSD-like). Can't recall any of her designs, taste level, etc. I don't really remember Anna's designs from her previous seasons either, but she seems kind of distracted this time around. Like she wants to be there but doesn't want to be there at the same time. Or maybe she's just feeling overwhelmed when she's around all the other designers because she's more introverted or something. She certainly does seem easily upset when she gets any kind of criticism from Christian, who's helped her more than he's really had to so far. That doesn't bode well for the kind of blunt criticism she was getting after being in the top three last week. I did think it was kind of weird that we didn't see Christian there to give Hester a big send-off but saw Anna being questioned by Kayne instead. I agree, she seems distracted and not focused. It also looks like she seriously misses her son. I think that might have also been fueling the other designer's ire since it doesn't even seem she is trying. If I remember correctly, Anna's designs were interesting, well crafted and minimal. Also, I liked Hester's novelty shirt. Since her work (I looked up her pronouns and they are she/them so I hope I am referring to Hester correctly) comment on genders, this tickled me. With Hester, there was such a large change in not only viewpoint, but in personality. She got so much....darker? So, it was nice to see a bit of her humor again. I also think if they do this again next time, they should pick a more expensive fabric. If Nina was upset at all the draping, I feel like that's something the fabric is meant to do. It's like being mad at organza for not being structural. |
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Post by sunnydayz on Jul 9, 2023 16:10:51 GMT
I don't really remember Anna's designs from her previous seasons either, but she seems kind of distracted this time around. Like she wants to be there but doesn't want to be there at the same time. Or maybe she's just feeling overwhelmed when she's around all the other designers because she's more introverted or something. She certainly does seem easily upset when she gets any kind of criticism from Christian, who's helped her more than he's really had to so far. That doesn't bode well for the kind of blunt criticism she was getting after being in the top three last week. I did think it was kind of weird that we didn't see Christian there to give Hester a big send-off but saw Anna being questioned by Kayne instead. I agree, she seems distracted and not focused. It also looks like she seriously misses her son. I think that might have also been fueling the other designer's ire since it doesn't even seem she is trying. If I remember correctly, Anna's designs were interesting, well crafted and minimal. Also, I liked Hester's novelty shirt. Since her work (I looked up her pronouns and they are she/them so I hope I am referring to Hester correctly) comment on genders, this tickled me. With Hester, there was such a large change in not only viewpoint, but in personality. She got so much....darker? So, it was nice to see a bit of her humor again. I also think if they do this again next time, they should pick a more expensive fabric. If Nina was upset at all the draping, I feel like that's something the fabric is meant to do. It's like being mad at organza for not being structural. Agreed! A drapey bright red fabric and a one day challenge, and these are the results? Maybe this says more about the challenge itself than the designers  And maybe Christian might not want to be bragging that this challenge was his idea |
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Post by ibot2much on Jul 9, 2023 21:00:30 GMT
Come on Beerbelly….Hester wore a bathing suit cover up on the runway. We've all seen that style at the beach...I didn't think it was appropriate or cute.
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Post by Critical on Jul 10, 2023 9:14:00 GMT
I don't know that the other designers should be upset about Anna doing the same dress. I think they should be mad because, sorry, it was horrible. It looks like a sleeveless red dress that she just tacked the ruffles onto. It wasn't flattering either. I think directing all the anger at Anna was crappy. If you want to be in the top, do better. I'm not a huge fan of Hester, but I don't know that she should have gone home. I do think complaining about the fabric while talking to the judges is always a bad idea.
ETA: Sorry, but what the hell was Lena Waithe wearing? That outfit looked like something my mothers 80-something friends would wear.
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Post by ibot2much on Jul 10, 2023 11:40:59 GMT
Lena outfit certainly kept to the color of the day, but I do agree it was very matronly/ I caught a diamond pattern at one point when the light hit her sleeve...was it argyle.... a heavy wool knit?
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Post by amber on Jul 10, 2023 16:49:34 GMT
I don't know that the other designers should be upset about Anna doing the same dress. I think they should be mad because, sorry, it was horrible. It looks like a sleeveless red dress that she just tacked the ruffles onto. It wasn't flattering either. I think directing all the anger at Anna was crappy. If you want to be in the top, do better. I'm not a huge fan of Hester, but I don't know that she should have gone home. I do think complaining about the fabric while talking to the judges is always a bad idea.
ETA: Sorry, but what the hell was Lena Waithe wearing? That outfit looked like something my mothers 80-something friends would wear.
Obviously, Hester thought her look wouldn't be sending her home. Brittany won the challenge by manipulating the cheap poly knit to make it look much more expensive than it was. I'm not bothered by Anna's creation. I am bothered by how others, especially Korto, are treating her. |
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Post by Critical on Jul 11, 2023 5:13:32 GMT
I don't know that the other designers should be upset about Anna doing the same dress. I think they should be mad because, sorry, it was horrible. It looks like a sleeveless red dress that she just tacked the ruffles onto. It wasn't flattering either. I think directing all the anger at Anna was crappy. If you want to be in the top, do better. I'm not a huge fan of Hester, but I don't know that she should have gone home. I do think complaining about the fabric while talking to the judges is always a bad idea.
ETA: Sorry, but what the hell was Lena Waithe wearing? That outfit looked like something my mothers 80-something friends would wear.
Brittany won the challenge by manipulating the cheap poly knit to make it look much more expensive than it was. I'm not bothered by Anna's creation. I am bothered by how others, especially Korto, are treating her. If she was that confident, she wouldn't have made excuses and blamed the fabric. In the history of this show, that never works out. The judges HATE when the designers do that. It's all-stars. Suck it up and (I know Tim is gone, but) make it work.
It would be interesting to see how the designs would have changed if it had been a two day challenge.
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Post by ibot2much on Jul 13, 2023 13:49:21 GMT
UGH!1 I was looking forward to seeing this episode again as it was so controversial....but Bravo is no longer showing the reruns right before the new episode. They have put in a new show. That will make it harder for me to stay up .
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Hester seems to try too hard to be different sometimes, so I think that's what bugs me about it. 
And maybe Christian might not want to be bragging that this challenge was his idea 
