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Post by waywyrd on Dec 8, 2023 0:59:13 GMT
Tonight: Relationships continue to be tested, with more couples considering leaving the beach; love continues to blossom at the first-ever Paradise wedding.
Enjoy the show!
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Post by Navybelle on Dec 8, 2023 1:19:16 GMT
Sorry, I know a lot of editing happens in this show, but I'm not interested in Kat and John Henry. She opened up about her traumatic childhood/family problems, and it's sad. I'm glad John Henry can like her despite her issues, but I am not interested. Go off and be happy (for as long as it may last). Blech.
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Post by Midol on Dec 8, 2023 2:11:01 GMT
Mari and Kenny are back to get married...with Blake coming back to act as best man.
They got married Nov. 11th in their real ceremony. I don't know if this one was legit. I hope they got paid well.
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Post by Navybelle on Dec 8, 2023 2:48:36 GMT
Mari is SO pretty. But the way she laughed throughout and didn't look nervous at all, showed that was not their real wedding (even if I hadn't known before).
Kylee is coming off pretty immature tonight. She's being unfair to Aven and I feel bad for him.
Does anyone care about Peter and that other girl? They haven't gotten much air time, so I don't really care much about them or the outcome of their relationship.
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Post by judith on Dec 8, 2023 2:55:03 GMT
This whole Kylee/Aven mess is so fake. Good grief, it doesn't have to be engagement or nothing. Go home and date for a few months. The harder she pushes, the more he'll back away.
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Post by Midol on Dec 8, 2023 3:04:27 GMT
This whole Kylee/Aven mess is so fake. Good grief, it doesn't have to be engagement or nothing. Go home and date for a few months. The harder she pushes, the more he'll back away. I don't think it bodes well for their relationship, even though she agreed to skip the engagement. She always seemed to be acting to me. Aven seemed much more sincere to me. He doesn't want to get engaged to someone he has only known for a short time since his picker has been off with his previous appearance on the Bette. Yeah, he is happy, but this isn't the real world. Why not give it a try outside and see how it goes rather than having a stupid, forced engagement which you can't take back. Stupid. |
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Post by MissGriss on Dec 8, 2023 3:29:50 GMT
Mari is SO pretty. But the way she laughed throughout and didn't look nervous at all, showed that was not their real wedding (even if I hadn't known before). Kylee is coming off pretty immature tonight. She's being unfair to Aven and I feel bad for him. Does anyone care about Peter and that other girl? They haven't gotten much air time, so I don't really care much about them or the outcome of their relationship. Sharleen Joynt does. LOL (Sharleen was the host of BIP Canada last year. She really liked "what's her name" and was excited when she came on the American version of the show.) |
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Post by Navybelle on Dec 8, 2023 3:45:59 GMT
Mari is SO pretty. But the way she laughed throughout and didn't look nervous at all, showed that was not their real wedding (even if I hadn't known before). Kylee is coming off pretty immature tonight. She's being unfair to Aven and I feel bad for him. Does anyone care about Peter and that other girl? They haven't gotten much air time, so I don't really care much about them or the outcome of their relationship. Sharleen Joynt does. LOL (Sharleen was the host of BIP Canada last year. She really liked "what's her name" and was excited when she came on the American version of the show.) I like Sharleen!  But, Sam ditched Peter, so that's the end of that! |
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Post by Midol on Dec 8, 2023 3:49:04 GMT
OMG...JH and Kat. Why does pursuing a relationship have to mean an engagement? I don't get these people. I can only assume they want the prestige and the opportunities that they think come with having an engagement. Please.
And Sam just cuts...is it Peter? She can't get out of there fast enough. Meanwhile, yesterday she was all over him. He is in shock. He did not expect that.
Olivia and Michael. Well, that went south fast.
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Post by Midol on Dec 8, 2023 3:51:52 GMT
I really don't care about JH and Kat...well, Kat really. She is obnoxious and I feel bad for him, but whatever.
On the other hand Aaron and Eliza were cute. He called her parents. Adorable.
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Post by Amy Lee on Dec 8, 2023 22:24:13 GMT
This season was underwhelming bland. It was hard to root for anyone because they barely showed the connections that were formed. I don't think either of the engaged couples will make it, but if they do, good for them. I didn't see a preview for a reunion, so I'll take it that there will not be one.
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Post by Critical on Dec 9, 2023 2:49:42 GMT
Kind of weird that they left Becca and Thomas out of the montage of BiP couples at the end. I wonder if her exit from the Bachelor Happy Hour podcast ruffled some feathers. There were couples in the montage that didn’t get engaged on the beach too, so it’s not that.
Color me shocked that Kat and John Henry seem to be the only couple that’s still together. I don’t think they’ll make it down the aisle, but then again, I didn’t think they’d make it to the finale OR get engaged.
Kylee needs to grow up and let go of that fantasy of a beach proposal. Aven is a really good guy. If she doesn’t want him, there’s probably a long line of women who do!
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Post by MissGriss on Dec 9, 2023 7:19:01 GMT
This episode went a long way toward humanizing Kat. I found myself feeling happy for her and John Henry and wanting things to work for them.
Also, it seemed that Kat and Olivia were liking each other by the end. Sharleen Joynt, in her recap, pointed out that there was a scene where Kat and Olivia were in the background having a tender moment where Kat had her hand on Olivia’s heart and they were smiling and talking like friends. Sharleen was really irritated that after all of the animosity the show runners didn’t let us see what happened to shift their relationship. There must have been something that was worth seeing.
I noticed, too, that when Michael came to get Olivia for their final talk, Kat and Olivia were talking and Kat looked at Olivia in as affectionate way as Olivia walked off. She seemed to want the best for her. That’s nice, but I want to understand where/how the shift happened.
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Post by Navybelle on Dec 10, 2023 5:38:42 GMT
Apparently, Aven wasn't such a great guy, according to Kylee's Instagram story. Those are some roadbumps!
Which occurred after this:
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Post by MissGriss on Dec 10, 2023 6:50:08 GMT
Wow! That’s too bad!
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Post by Navybelle on Dec 11, 2023 3:26:50 GMT
Now Aven apologized, is taking time to himself to focus on becoming a better person, etc., etc. And states that he's in a really down place (emotionally), for hurting someone whom he cares about, by making some mistakes. (Comments of course included the "MISTAKES? Cheating is a choice!" kind of sentiments.)
(sorry, couldn't find it quickly, so had to paraphrase.)
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Post by Critical on Dec 11, 2023 23:49:36 GMT
This season was pretty much a bust, as far as engagements were concerned.
I'm disappointed that Aven turned out to not be as good of a guy as he'd previously seemed. I have to wonder if it's a form of self-sabotage. You get together with a beautiful girl who you claim to love and build a life with, but then get scared and cheat. Whatever the reason, shame on him. At least he admitted it.
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Post by Navybelle on Dec 12, 2023 1:08:06 GMT
Here is Aven's statement (ran across it, so thought I'd share): ETA: and Aven has inactivated his Twitter and Instagram accounts, as of today. And I'll see if I can share John Henry's: https://www.instagram.com/p/C0ufVWvPIUR Comments include people talking about Eliza not wearing her engagement ring on a recent post, so that would be the last couple! |
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Post by Critical on Dec 12, 2023 1:10:53 GMT
So Aven and Kylee were the only couple to leave not engaged, but together, right? Is this the first BiP for NO couples to come out of the season? At least in a few years, I think. All in all, kind of a disappointing season  |
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Post by DoodleMom921 on Dec 12, 2023 1:19:23 GMT
Aaron just posted he and Eliza have split as well.
All couples done 3 days after finale has aired
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Post by Navybelle on Dec 12, 2023 1:24:54 GMT
https://www.instagram.com/p/C0u09bDPd_1 Yep, that's it! Like someone in the comments said, Olivia was the highlight of the season!  Everything else is a bust. Lots of people are upset at what they "did" to Rachel R too, which I am not sure exactly what they mean. She commented back to someone about the ending of the show, her statement that she wants no part of a where are they now segment, that that was a joke. |
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Post by MissGriss on Dec 12, 2023 3:08:47 GMT
I can see how people might think that Rachel got screwed on BIP, but I think she mostly tried to play it safe and didn’t make any real romantic connections as a result. I’ve seen interviews (can’t remember where) in which she said that it was a good experience and she learned a lot about herself.
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Post by Amy Lee on Dec 12, 2023 3:19:12 GMT
It now makes sense as to why they didn't film an ATFR. The producers likely already knew these couples(minus Aven and Kylee) were already broken up.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Dec 13, 2023 3:26:56 GMT
Kat was BAAAD news,  and John Henry ESCAPED A BULLET!  He seemed to be such a sweet, lovely guy. Hopefully he'll find someone just as pretty as Kat, with whom he can have a wonderful life.  |
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Post by MissGriss on Dec 13, 2023 7:59:56 GMT
John Henry wants us all to know that Kat’s a good person who is so much better than what was shown on TV, and he doesn’t regret having chosen her, and he wishes people wouldn’t hate on her. http://instagram.com/p/C0xqs8NO5O_ |
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Post by MissGriss on Dec 13, 2023 17:51:07 GMT
More info on the breakups….
In today’s podcast, Reality Steve says that Kat and JH’s engagement was the only real relationship out of the two. Aaron and Eliza’s never got off the ground (which makes sense to me, since they lived on different continents and didn’t have a plan for how they were going to make that work).
Kat and JH had what seemed to be a good relationship and were planning to move to San Diego together, but at the last minute, he got a chance to go work in Europe, which he really wanted to do, and he broke things off. Kat was really caught off guard, but is going to San Diego, anyway. Mercedes, Jess, and Kylee are also moving there, so she’ll be in good company. This breakup is pretty recent—like within the last couple of weeks.
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Post by Critical on Dec 13, 2023 18:30:52 GMT
The fact that Kat and Charity are close makes me think the edit Kat has gotten is pretty skewed. I think Charity is a sweetheart who wouldn't be good friends with Kat if she was a terrible person. I think the showrunners just chose to edit in Kat's worst moments and leave out most of the good stuff. Don't get me wrong, she's still annoying on the shows, but I know that's not necessarily a reflection of her whole personality.
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Post by MissGriss on Dec 13, 2023 19:47:36 GMT
Yeah. I'm beginning to think the same thing about Kat. I think it says a lot that John Henry is speaking up so strongly in defense of her character. It sounds like she's had a rough life and can be pretty defensive and prickly as a result, but it also sounds like she's got a lot of good qualities and is a solid and caring friend. I feel kind of bad for her that she's gotten such a bad rap.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Dec 13, 2023 22:20:20 GMT
Yeah. I'm beginning to think the same thing about Kat. I think it says a lot that John Henry is speaking up so strongly in defense of her character. It sounds like she's had a rough life and can be pretty defensive and prickly as a result, but it also sounds like she's got a lot of good qualities and is a solid and caring friend. I feel kind of bad for her that she's gotten such a bad rap. I'm also very impressed that she is a nurse practitioner, as that involves quite a bit of post-graduate education. Obviously, she has smarts but, on the show, didn't display much emotional intelligence. I do feel bad, though, for judging her quite harshly, as she seems to have had quite a difficult upbringing. |
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and John Henry ESCAPED A BULLET! 
He seemed to be such a sweet, lovely guy. Hopefully he'll find someone just as pretty as Kat, with whom he can have a wonderful life. 
