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Post by Girly18 on Jul 18, 2019 17:00:57 GMT
I always look forward to when they move in together. I couldn't believe Iris was going through his things. We all know what single men keep in their nightstands so as soon as she opened that drawer I knew it! I'm interested to see what other quirks she has. Something tells me the drawers are the tip of the iceberg. I'm glad Amber apologized about overreacting about the bathroom and got to the root of why. I love having separate bathrooms.
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Post by Critical on Jul 18, 2019 17:16:13 GMT
Yeah, I was shocked at Iris going through Keith's drawers too. Yes, you're married, but that was really disrespectful. She does seem to have a lot of odd rules, including not sitting close to the bed pillows in street clothes (seriously, WTF?). Keith seems pretty easygoing, but I wonder if her rigidity will cause him to break.
I didn't see why Amber flipped out about separate bathrooms at all. I'd be thrilled! I was glad they talked through it, but good grief. She's a bit clingy. It's not like he left to go sleep at his old place or something. He just brushed his teeth in another bathroom.
Jamie is okay with all of Elizabeth's quirks right now, but will it all start to wear on him once the novelty of having sex with a new person wears off? She is a bit much. I also want to tell her to stand up straight! She has the posture of a woman who was the tallest girl in class as a young girl. I think it's pretty common for that girl to slouch because she's self-conscious about being taller than everyone and then, as they all get older, everyone catches up/becomes taller than her and she's still slouching. Whatever the reason, I wish she'd stop slouching. It's not attractive.
Wow, Greg's house is HUGE! It seems like the house version of "dress for the job you want." He got a house big enough for a family. Glad Pastor Cal told Deonna that she needs to learn to take the compliments. She may be unaccustomed to receiving so many of them, but PC is right that MOST women would be thrilled.
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Post by justCoz on Jul 18, 2019 18:52:38 GMT
I agree with several of you. I too found it strange that Amber freaked out about the separate bathroom. Most people want that! That's serious abandonment issues if she equated him using that 2nd bathroom to not being close. I'm glad she realized it, but wow. I think Greg built that house when he was with his fiancee. IIRC, he built it 4 years ago, but only broke up 2 years ago. He mentioned those dates at two different times, so I might not have my facts straight, but I inferred that he built it in contemplation of marriage and kids. As a former cleaning lady I cracked up at Deoona's cleaning comment. Someone needs to tell them to hire someone quickly because he's a neat-nik and won't like the dog fur all over. Iris's rules were OTT. She is more than just a neat freak. I got a kick out of Keith saying he'd been using wooden drawers for several years with no problems and didn't see a need for drawer liners! I thought she was OTT about the street clothes and pillows too . No way would I want to live like that. Weren't they decorative pillows? I don't want to live in a house where I not allowed to live in my house. Jaime is enthralled with Elizabeth right now. I hope it lasts. She seems very excited/happy to watch their footage during Unfiltered, even got a huge smile watching a segment about them kissing, so I have hope that they're still together. (Either that, or she didn't get too invested and isn't hurt by their breakup!)
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Post by mina on Jul 23, 2019 23:45:40 GMT
Did the preview really show iris dictating to guests that they could only have two drinks????
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Post by nicksmom on Jul 25, 2019 13:36:09 GMT
Yes she did...lol Iris it was just lemonade. I don’t go into other peoples fridge either but have said I have this ,this and this to drink help yourself. I go into the fridge when I return home to mom and dad’s though. Small thing to worry about.
Nice to see Devonna warming up. Again it has only been 2 weeks.
I was wondering how these couples are different in their previous dating lives. The ones that won’t kiss or hug, they don’t do that with regular dating . She answered that last night, that she would be further, I guess it is to protect themselves. Or everyone on tv is seeing it...lol
For some reason I can never remember the basket ball guys name. Anyway if I was Amber I would be mad too that he didn’t tell me he was going out or answer my calls. I am a huge worry wart. Not sure if it was editing or if she went on a huge cleaning frenzy, the couch moved from in front of the counter to the side wall. I can see him waiting to see if they are going to make before kids. Maybe he should have said that instead of years, 8 is a long time to wait.
Jamie and Elizabeth are runners, him tonight her in the previews. His whole face changed when talking about his parents divorce but she kept going on. They both have sore spots because hers was her job. She couldn’t even say what he job is. I’m sure that is going to be a problem.
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Post by annifran on Jul 25, 2019 17:14:59 GMT
I felt bad for Jamie last night when on the couch trying to talk to Elizabeth. Her yelling at him was completely out of line and her not recognizing the pain he felt when questioning his parents' divorce was hard to watch. His face changed completely when she mentioned the divorce. He seems to be a good guy mismatched with the free spirit Elizabeth seems to be. I doubt this marriage will survive; in fact, the previews at the end saw him talking about divorce although that may be creative editing.
It was nice seeing Deonna warming up to Greg. He's very patient with her. There definitely is an attraction between them.
Not sure why Matthew chose to have a day/night out without letting Amber know where he was, or who he was with and not answering her calls. Not a good way to start a marriage. I understand her being worried for his physical well-being, but it appeared she was more concerned with his lack of communication with him. Perhaps he has a drinking problem?
No way would I ever consider marrying someone at first sight, nor with a 90-day K1 visa.
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Post by Critical on Jul 25, 2019 21:16:49 GMT
Jamie deserves equal blame in their arguments. Elizabeth was asking nicely about his parents' divorce and then backed off when she realized he really was upset. She explained that she was just trying to get to know him. He then retaliated and got REALLY nasty, IMO. Plenty of people work for their family's business. Him talking about nepotism and implying that she couldn't get a job any other way was serious a-hole behavior. Conversely, when he just was trying to have a serious discussion with her, she got really nasty with him. She DOES tend to make jokes of everything, but saying things like "Oh, you're probably going to leave me anyway" could make him feel like she really thinks that could happen. He seemed to be just trying to tell her that he was committed to the marriage and that it hurt his feelings when she joked about the marriage ending. Her reaction was WAY out of proportion. I TOTALLY got it when Iris was upset that Keith's friends just opened their fridge and helped themselves. I would NEVER do that at someone else's house. Even when I visit my parents, I make sure to ask if there are things in the fridge that are off limits (usually they don't care, but I want to be considerate). If they bought stuff for the party then that should have been enough. Digging around in someone else's fridge is rude. They could have asked first and that probably would have been okay with Iris. It seemed like it was more the taking without asking that bothered her. I do think Amber is a bit clingy, but Matt disappearing and staying out all night without communicating with her or answering her calls is out of bounds. He'll probably roll out the "I've never been married before, so I'm still getting used to having to communicate this way" excuse, but that's bs. It's about being considerate and if he doesn't think about her this early in the marriage, what does that say about his behavior if they stay together? Will it get worse? Deonna and Greg seem to be doing pretty well. She's so adorable, but I do wish someone would tell her to dab on some powder. Her face is distractingly shiny on camera. If it was me and I watched back later, I'd be annoyed that no one told me! I love that her dog seems to be taking to Greg and that he's working to build a relationship with Sandy, who seems super sweet. Deonna reminds me of a good friend of mine - same giggle even - so I think that's probably why I liked her right away. Barring any weird conflicts (ha! what are the odds with this show? ), I'd say another marriage may be consummated soon!
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Post by justCoz on Jul 25, 2019 22:10:00 GMT
I thought both Jamie and Elizabeth were out of line.
I totally understand Iris's reaction because I'd feel the same way, especially at a party where what I'm offering is out on the counter, not in the fridge. I get Keith's viewpoint that his friends are used to going into his fridge. I get that, because we're pretty much like that when people are just visiting by themselves, but I wouldn't appreciate people just helping themselves at a party.
I don't think Matt is vibing with Amber other than physically. He should have told her where he was going and his plans. Like I tell my daughter, it's a matter of respect for the people who live in your home to tell them when to expect you home and where, generally, you'll be. Because she's emotionally damaged she's overly clingy. I feel bad for her and what she went through as a kid. However, she needs to relax. She needed to be told from the other wives that they weren't all sharing a bathroom to understand that was not a crazy thing for him to do, and it didn't mean anything bad. She needs to take a step back from freaking out over little things and seek input first, to ask others first if that's fairly normal. Did she check the closet to see if his stuff was still there? If it is, I'd be angry at his rudeness, not afraid he left. Of course, you never know if something happened like an accident, but since it doesn't seem like he communicated with her too much, I'd attribute it to rudeness. Wait, did she know he was out with a friend?
Despite Iris' quirks, I like the two of them together. It's got to be a difficult time for Keith right now. How sweet was her mom telling Keith she'd been in contact with his mom, and let her know if they needed anything.
I like the direction that Deonna and Greg seem to be headed in. I hope they can make it work.
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Post by Critical on Jul 26, 2019 0:01:56 GMT
Yeah, it seems like college boy/frat behavior to just ransack your friend's fridge like that. Keith needs to understand that's not the norm for most people AND he needs to understand he can't continue that "open fridge" policy now that he's married.
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Post by mina on Jul 29, 2019 0:22:23 GMT
Love Devonna and Greg; they are very sweet together.
Keith's friends were rude, but I also thought Iris was a little obnoxious in how she handled it and went on about it. There are ways to handle stuff like that w/o sniping at your guests that everyone only gets 2 drinks and making them feel like naughty children. Iris- now you know, hide yo stuff before friends come over. While I do see her side and even agree with her; it's just lemonade. Holding on to stuff like that and making a big deal out of it just isn't the way to nurture a good marriage. She should have talked with Keith later instead of calling out guests at a mutual friend get together. Also, Keith was in the kitchen with them as lemonade-gate was happening; maybe they did ask and he said it was okay? Maybe he even took it out of the fridge? It was also his home and his kitchen. They seem to have been mixing drinks together. It wasn't like the friends strutted into the kitchen and just decided to riffle through the fridge claiming things as their own- Iris be damned. If she was that upset about it; I hope Keith went and picked up a new bottle just for her.
Matt was inconsiderate. He wants marriage but not all the stuff that comes with marriage. That's sad for Amber that has abandonment issues. She really needs to get some therapy for that and not just be banking on a relationship to make it all better.
I dislike Liz, but she was just asking about his parent's divorce not to start anything I felt. I felt she was just curious and trying to find out more about him. Jamie can be a mean person; I didn't like how he initially handled the lunch thing, how he made stupid jokes on the boat when she was freaking out, and now I think his jabs about her work were out of line. Liz is a ditz and probably works for her dad b/c she can't work anywhere else, but he's her husband and shouldn't cut her down about things like that. He did better coming back in with flowers and wanting to talk, but he was convinced she was the one all in the wrong and wouldn't listen to her. I think she flipped out on him and made a bad situation worse. She was equally mean and horrible about insulting his sexy moves when she consistantly talked about how much she wanted sex from him and then about how much she liked doing it with him. I definitely think he's the more annoying one now. They both need communication help. I also feel there is stuff happening off camera with them, like maybe Jamie told her to never bring up his parent's divorce for the show and in that case I could see why he got mad. The scene is innocent on her part unless he had asked her not to do that and she just "forgot" or decided to ignore his request for drama or whatever.
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Post by nicksmom on Aug 1, 2019 18:03:46 GMT
So Iris doesn’t know anything about that subject. She has never been even close to being there. Keith has his hands full...lol I think it is going to come between them .
Elizabeth never learned anything from Dr Pepper. But it looks like Jamie goes back to the divorce word again too next week. They are not going to make it.
Greg and Devonna keep moving along . I like them.
Glad Matt made up for his night out. Still doesn’t answer why he didn’t answer her calls and texts. I’m glad Dr Pepper had a talk with him about Amber’s abandonment issue. This couple is very awkward with each other. A lot to learn for both of them.
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Post by Girly18 on Aug 1, 2019 18:38:38 GMT
Thank you Dr. Pepper for being honest! I'm glad Matt said I'm sorry and never became defensive but still unacceptable he never comes home or answers his phone. A couple other men have done that on this show. Deonna being okay with sex once a month? What is the story there.. Elizabeth and Jamie are a mess. It's one thing for Iris to be a virgin but the fact that she lacks the maturity to even have a conversation is not good. How else can they move forward? There seems to be deeper issues here. I held my breath in hopes Keith would not answer the question about positions. And then out of all positions he says doggy style to a virgin?
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Aug 1, 2019 19:21:38 GMT
Actually Deonna said she would like to have sex every other month. Greg didn't seem too pleased with that and who could blame him? At first I thought maybe Deonna was just asexual but then she was talking about these situationships she had had in the past so she has not been celibate these past 10 years that she was supposedly 'dating herself.' IDK what her issue is then b/c she did say she was sexually attracted to Greg. He's a good guy and I will feel bad if she doesn't warm up to him as he is all in! Jamie and Elizabeth are a mess as Girly said above and I have nothing more to add except I don't think her doggies would be so comfortable with Jamie on the couch if he had been mistreating them on their walk. She just blew up out of nowhere on that one. Keith is being very patient with Iris but it's sad that a 27 year-old can't have a frank conversation about sex. At this point I think Keith is just playing nice and making the best of the situation and will divorce her. Iris has a lot of controlling ways about her; her mom exudes kindness, caring, and compassion and I think Iris has fallen far, far, far away from that tree. She just seems like a very petty person. Amber and Matt: oh my word! Amber girl, have some self-respect. I understand she has a lot of abandonment issues but she was actually DEFENDING MATT to Dr. Pepper during her visit. After her tearful video and histrionics, she does a 180 just because Matt finally came home and mumbled a half-assed 'sorry.' I don't like Matt and he seems very disingenuous. He's also not interested in Amber in the least and {Spoiler} certain spoiler sites say that neither he or Amber are together anymore.
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Post by justCoz on Aug 1, 2019 19:22:23 GMT
Matt had to know what he did was wrong. I don't care about his excuses. Just because he left home at 16 doesn't mean he doesn't know that taking his wedding ring off, not answering his phone or texts, and staying out all night is not cool. I don't believe him. I don't know why he got married at all, much less a first sight, when it appears he's not ready for the commitment at all. If it were me, I would not have been so quick to forgive him without more of an explanation. I liked that Dr Pepper was not mincing words when she was talking to him.
Elizabeth and Jamie both fight dirty. They both go for the jugular, and in a hurry. They have an uphill battle for sure.
So far, I like Devonna and Greg. I hope they make it.
I'm not sure how I feel about Keith and Iris. They seem like they could be a good match. She, and her family, are very kind. They are certainly quick to step up to the plate in Keith's time of trouble. We'll see how well they can overcome the disparity between their sexual activity.
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Post by justCoz on Aug 1, 2019 19:24:29 GMT
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Post by provenceguy on Aug 3, 2019 14:02:13 GMT
MAFS Fan apparently has another spoiler in her instagram stories, but I don't have instagram. Gah!
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Post by Critical on Aug 3, 2019 17:11:17 GMT
It’s about next season. She(?) heard that they are filming weddings right now on DC. So, sadly, no spoilers about this season.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Aug 3, 2019 17:21:42 GMT
MAFS Fan apparently has another spoiler in her instagram stories, but I don't have instagram. Gah! I don't have Instagram either and I looked in the spoiler section of another site and couldn't find any info there, either. Oh well, all will be revealed in due time, I guess.
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Post by amber on Aug 3, 2019 18:53:12 GMT
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Aug 3, 2019 19:14:38 GMT
amber, I already posted that spoiler a few posts above.
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Post by provenceguy on Aug 3, 2019 20:26:40 GMT
{Spoiler} I looked at another board, and it said MAFS Fan had posted that Matt is now active on a dating site.
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Post by mina on Aug 5, 2019 5:27:35 GMT
That's the most helpful I ever remember seeing Dr. Pepper! Greg and Devonna are really sweet together. I wonder if Devonna is asexual or has a low drive due to hormones or something? I hope they make it.I feel like both of them applied to the show for the right reasons and that is a big part of making it work.
Matt and Amber- Why to the experts do such a terrible job picking guys for this show? I really don't know what to make of him. It feels like he's hiding something or is shady. He left home at 16, but I thought he said earlier that his parents divorce wasn't until the past few years and before that they were SO close as a family???? I thought Amber did a good job discussing what happened with him calmly , even if she did let him slide with too much. I hope that she's in individual counseling. She does have huge issues from her past with her mom, and it seems that she is looking for this marriage to "fix" her or to finally solve her feelings of abandonment. I feel like she came in wanting a Bobby.
Iris and Keith- Iris is a timeless beauty. I saw a more recent picture of her with long hair and she looks so much younger and breathtakingly stunning. I do want them to work out b/c I like them both. Maybe Iris is more of a discuss sex better off camera type of person? If she can't discuss it at all with her husband then that is a huge problem. I get her saving herself for marriage, but she's married now. Yes, it's an unconventional way to meet and marry, but she has to at least be open to the idea that building a marriage with Keith is going to involve talking about sex with him and eventually having sex. I don't think it's so big a hurdle that they can't survive. Keith needs to romance her and show her that he's interested in sex with her specifically bc he thinks romantically of her. Very sad about his grandma; I kept thinking Iris has met his dead grandma now ; they HAVE to make it work! Also, I thought she told him before that she had done some things sexually but was technically still a virgin (did I dream that?????)
Jamie and Beth- Jamie is just mean or really immature and can't see how he comes across. Beth has reacted (badly at times) to him, but I don't think she's ever initiated what they were fighting about. She had a UTI and told him she wanted to back off on sex for a while b/c of that and because that was what their relationship was becoming all about? So he pouted and drug her dogs and made her so mad that she wanted to leave while he stood there and shouted about divorcing her for the way she reacted to him? He is quick to put divorce on the table when he doesn't get his way or is frustrated. yikes. Beth is plenty annoying, but I don't think she deserves that. I actually thought how she handled herself wanting to leave and explaining why she wanted to go home the next morning very well and even graciously towards Jamie (who was being a twat waffle threatening divorce). Something about him reminds me of Colt from 90 day fiance- calmly threatening and anger issues.
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Post by Critical on Aug 6, 2019 2:09:58 GMT
Please remember to use spoiler tags when discussing something that hasn't happened on the actual show yet! Some posters don't want to know what happens, so we all need to respect that
At this point in the season - and this goes for every season - I can see ALL of the couples splitting up and I can see all of them staying together. They're just about to hit the halfway point and A LOT can change between now and Decision Day.
At the moment, I think Deonna and Greg are the most likely to stay together and, frankly, the only ones who I think could make it long-term. I think Matt and Amber will split at DD and possibly Beth and Jamie as well.
It could go either way with Keith and Iris. I think they're well-matched, but probably could do with some more help from the experts - especially Dr. Pepper - to smooth some of the edges, so to speak. I've seen some posters on other sites just blasting Iris and painting her has some frigid harpie and I just don't see it. No, she's not very sexually experienced, but that doesn't mean she's not interested. I don't know that I'd feel comfortable answering some of those questions in front of a camera crew. With one other person, especially when that person is my husband? Not so uncomfortable. I think she just needs to feel more trust in the relationship to feel like she can be more open. Also, remember that possibly the most successful couple to come out of this series - Doug and Jamie - didn't consummate their relationship until after Decision Day. Life is long and this "experiment" is not. There were moments during season 1 where the experts had to practically stage an intervention to help Doug and Jamie stay together, and it worked!
All that being said, I just don't think Matt and Amber OR Jamie and Beth are well-matched. Maybe they were on paper OR they lied about what they wanted or who they are. I mean, we already know that both Jamie and Beth lied about wanting kids. That ended up being okay, but there are a lot of other issues where they don't seem to mesh. I don't think the fact that they both fight dirty is a plus Doesn't feel like a coincidence that the two couples who jumped into bed quickly seem to be the least stable.
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Post by justCoz on Aug 6, 2019 3:06:02 GMT
I agree about Keith and Iris. I wouldn't want to answer their questions half the time, and I've been married for over 20 years. Once they've filmed you saying something, it's out there for the world to see. Iris does seem a little uptight over things, but Keith defended a lot of that on Unfiltered. He said he's pretty particular about a lot of stuff too.
At this point, I don't even want Amber and Matt to stay together. He doesn't seem like he's all that committed to the process, much less a real life wife.
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Post by lizard on Aug 6, 2019 3:15:08 GMT
I could see Keith and Iris and Deonna and Greg staying together.
Jamie giving the argument for sex when Beth was in pain--extremely selfish, finishing himself/the marriage off
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Post by nicksmom on Aug 8, 2019 15:31:13 GMT
I’m wondering what the heck happened too Elizabeth. Mind you he put a lot of thought into his day and she gives him a book of coupons. I guess that is his kind of thing though. They should just call it quits .
Greg and Devonna are so cute together, the bowling and kisses so sweet. Waiting for their first year to eat the cake too. Awe
Amber and Matt still seem awkward to me. He asked what he could change and his face said it all. It wasn’t even something he didn’t know already. I know she said that she doesn’t like make up etc but I wish she would do something with her hair... petty I know
Keith and Iris, there whole story is her virginity wish we would go to something else. I know it’s a big part but I should have a drink every time I hear the word. It was nice he got his ring sized. My husband lost his in the water on our honeymoon never found it. Sunscreen and water it just slipped off. We put my rings in a safety deposit box after that.
Then you see the previews and hear them and it’s like what...lol
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Post by Critical on Aug 9, 2019 0:24:27 GMT
Did I say Beth and Jamie will split at DD? I don't even think they'll make it that far. Those two are a dumpster fire. Neither of them has any business being married to ANYONE, much less to each other. They're both childish and immature and are terrible communicators. When they were talking earlier in the episode and he asked what he needed to work on and she said NOTHING!? WTH? Talk about having her head in the sand. I'd like to think counseling could help them, but nothing the experts have said seems to have done any good. They need to not be married, to each other or anyone else, until they can grow up. So what if Beth was noticing herself in the pictures? It was her wedding dress and she hadn't seen the pics yet. Of course she'd comment. If he had a problem with it, all he had to do was re-direct the conversation by saying how happy/nervous/excited he was and then point to a picture as proof. He even could have commented on something else about the day. ANYTHING would have been more productive than sitting there stewing over nothing like a child. I can't imagine being in a relationship like that. I would be exhausting.
I wish Amber would make more of an effort with her appearance too nicksmom Her hair always looks stringy and as if she doesn't care. There's a lot of real estate between self-involved Kardashian-level makeup and hair and what Amber does. She put on that cute dress but didn't even bother putting on a little makeup or doing her hair. She looked like she would have when she tried the dress on at the store.
All that being said, I don't think it would matter what she did because Matt is NOT ready to be married.
I still have hope for Keith and Iris and especially for Greg and Deonna. I love how Deonna is so open to working on her issues with physical affection and expressing her feelings. Their bowling alley date was adorable.
I loved the conversation between Iris and her mom. I think her mom was right that Keith's issues with her virginity may be less about her lack of experience and more about his fear of taking her virginity and then the marriage not working out or just the pressure of being her first and not wanting to disappoint. I think if they can work through all of that, they could make it. Her sexual immaturity is not that big of a deal in the long run. I think they are both mature communicators who are able to listen to the other person and accept what hey say without reacting in a defensive way. I've been impressed with that.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Aug 9, 2019 2:26:52 GMT
Iris doesn't lack for experience. She admitted on the Unfiltered Show that she has had plenty of oral sex and is in fact an 'everything but' type of virgin. I was shocked when Matt asked her that question, for one, and shocked again that she admitted it.
Jamie definitely overreacted and it was horrible that he called Elizabeth the 'c' word, but Elizabeth really is a narcissistic twit. She is very self-absorbed and would it have killed her to say her husband looked handsome or she liked his big smile when he saw her or she loved his vows? Or that the venue was lovely and the reception was fun? Or she was excited to start the journey with him? Something? Anything to take the focus off of how great her hair and lips looked and how beautiful her dress was, which btw, her floppy boobs needed much better support and her gown was one of the worst fitted I have seen. The two of them are toxic and need to end this farce of a marriage. So, I can't fault Jamie for feeling put out but he definitely was wrong to call her a c u next Tuesday.
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Post by justCoz on Aug 9, 2019 2:32:33 GMT
Maybe it's because I've been a bride, but I didn't think Beth was too selfish when looking at her pictures. Well, maybe a little, if that's all she noticed. I think it's sort of normal to look at oneself in pictures. You know what the other person looked like! But, I agree that Jamie could have tried to refocus Beth, but really, it's one of the few times in an average woman's life that she'll be that dressed up. I didn't find it to be "materialistic" in the normal sense of that word. I think you're right Critical and neither one should probably be married to anyone. Im so over watching Amber and Matt. I'm not at all clear why he chose to get married. He doesn't seem like he wants to be. Amber seems desperate, but maybe with a better guy she'd be okay? I'm really rooting for both the other two couples.
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Post by justCoz on Aug 9, 2019 2:39:00 GMT
Iris doesn't lack for experience. She admitted on the Unfiltered Show that she has had plenty of oral sex and is in fact an 'everything but' type of virgin. I was shocked when Matt asked her that question, for one, and shocked again that she admitted it. Jamie definitely overreacted and it was horrible that he called Elizabeth the 'c' word, but Elizabeth really is a narcissistic twit. She is very self-absorbed and would it have killed her to say her husband looked handsome or she liked his big smile when he saw her or she loved his vows? Or that the venue was lovely and the reception was fun? Or she was excited to start the journey with him? Something? Anything to take the focus off of how great her hair and lips looked and how beautiful her dress was, which btw, her floppy boobs needed much better support and her gown was one of the worst fitted I have seen. The two of them are toxic and need to end this farce of a marriage. So, I can't fault Jamie for feeling put out but he definitely was wrong to call her a c u next Tuesday. We are usually closer in our opinions! Beth is for sure immature and self-absorbed, but I think Jamie is to. I saw Unfiltered when Iris said that, which I thought she'd already admitted as such on the regular show, so I don't really know why the big freak-out over her virginity. She's not a total innocent. Maybe she needs to let that info out a little more?
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