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Post by lizard on Aug 15, 2019 4:00:43 GMT
I like Beth more than I did in the beginning. She is truthful and quirky. Jamie will compare all future girls to her because he had it made in the shade; and that is not going to come again. She was not interested in kids; and she was sexy and interested in him....until he drove her off.
Iris is making such a big deal about being a virgin. Everyone was one until they were not. A geriatric virgin has little chance of finding mr. right or mr father to your children. She will be in her 30s pondering sperm donation or one night stands to get a kid. That being said, at least she is not leading with the sex foot. Brain first brain first....and some sex.
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Post by nicksmom on Aug 15, 2019 12:42:23 GMT
Jamie and Beth should not be together period. They both fight dirty, sex is all they have it seems .
Amber and Matt should have split right now too. Gone for 2 days again. She is so desperate.
Greg and Deonna said the same thing ,so they know what they need to work on. The light thing was cute , I do that to my husband all the time.
Iris and Keith, I was surprised at the end after the dice game. Hopefully they can move on from there only topic they have for them.
Previews look like another train wreck .
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Post by justCoz on Aug 15, 2019 16:12:22 GMT
I didn't see the previews. Were they during the show, not at the end? I hate when they do that.
Amber should never have done this show. She still has too much deep hurt from her mom's abandonment to be ready for someone to walk away from her at the end of 8 weeks, nevermind going through what she's going through now. Because she's all in, that's what she expected from her spouse. Unfortunately for her they gave her Matt. I loved Pastor Cal calling him on the BS he was spewing. I laughed out loud when Matt was describing how great things were going and Pastor Cal asked him if he was talking about himself and Amber!
I don't know if Jamie and Elizabeth can learn to disagree without being toxic. I kind of doubt it. I think they could be good together if they learned how to not fight dirty. I'm still holding onto a sliver of hope for them, but it's only a tiny sliver.
Both of the other couples seem like they have issues that can be resolved and/or worked through. Right now I hope both couples are able to make it long term.
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Post by nicksmom on Aug 15, 2019 19:14:32 GMT
They were at the end.
I really only remember the one with Jamie and Beth. The couples get together one last time like last season they play games. There all in a line with her on one end Jamie on another. She is going on about something and he tries to tell her to stop , than says just shut up. They get into another fight at home because he embarrassed her , the same therapist is there trying to calm her down and she calls the therapist a bitch....therapist said did you just call me a bitch...
The other couples just shocked what happened with the two.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Aug 15, 2019 21:50:37 GMT
justCoz , I have my DVR set to record 5 minutes earlier and 5 minutes after and it never picks up previews for the following episode...it goes straight into that Marry a Millionaire or whatever that show is. It's odd that some of us don't see the previews. I like the progress that Greg and Deonna are making. It was nice to hear her say that she feels the marriage will be a forever thing. I just think she still has lots of walls up. I felt bad for what happened to Greg's mom and that because of it Greg was truly committed to making his marriage work. I just could not get a read on Deonna as she didn't have much of a reaction other than thanking him for sharing that with her as it must have been hard. She just seems a bit cold to me. I suppose compared to me she is b/c I would have been bawling if my husband told me that sad story. I'm too emotional and Deonna doesn't seem the least bit emotional. Amber, Amber, Amber. What the heck is wrong with her? Has she no self-esteem at all? Telling Matt as long as he checks in twice a day with her and comes home by 2:30 a.m. each night, she is okay with that. I'm not great at picking up the non-verbal cues but others pointed out that when Pastor Cal asked Matt if he was committed to his marriage, his words said yes while his head shook no. I don't know if he has a chicky on the side but I don't buy his story that he needs breathing space from Amber...he didn't come home for 2 nights straight! And Cal went way too easy on him! I would have ripped him a new one! I think he is a lying liar who lies! Jamie is scary. Elizabeth is no prize but Jamie's reactions are not normal. He goes over there to 'sincerely apologize' and Beth starts reading her list of non-negotiables, which did not seem to be too long. I think she read off 3 or 4 things that were bothersome to her. I mean extremely so, like deal breakers. One of them was that when she is upset and goes into another room that Jamie is not to come barging in there. She needs time to be alone. She then said something about "that being insane the other night." Jamie's whole demeanor changed after she said that sentence and he become enraged. He then told her he would not stand for any 'name calling' (this from the guy who called his wife the 'c' word!) and she changed it to 'out of control.' Beth is no prize and she's really quite over the top but Jamie is truly nutso and quite scary, imo. They need to pull the plug, stat, as do Amber and Matt. I have no comment on Keith and Iris other than Iris should listen to her wise and lovely mama and take her advice and plunge in. I'm tired of hearing about her 'virginity.' I put virginity in quotes b/c she seems to be an everything but vaginal intercourse kind of virgin. Admitting on national TV that she has engaged in oral sex? My 62 year old self was not offended but I think I blushed. Sexual mores are a lot looser today than when I was 27 and to me she is not as pure as the driven snow as she thinks she is. I mean, I am not shaming or anything like that, but to me she has done some things that are even more intimate than the vaginal intercourse she seems to hold on to and think is the greatest gift in the world! Whew! I guess I DID have something to say about Keith and Iris. Oh, mostly Iris. And Keith is still FINE!!!
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Post by mina on Aug 16, 2019 3:14:39 GMT
I haven't seen last weeks show yet. But Amber should not have been picked for this show. She has deep and damaging issues. She has a close relationship with her sister and her father and extended family seem very very loving and supportive for her whole life yet she still can't get past that her mom left and has abandonment issues and picked douchy boyfriends for herself. She needed to be in deep therapy working on herself rather than trying to find a lasting marriage.
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Post by Critical on Aug 16, 2019 3:57:02 GMT
My DVR cut out before the preview. I've looked for it online, but haven't found it. I guess I'll just have to wait until next week! Those previews are usually pretty misleading, but we have two couples who are total trainwrecks, so maybe they're not so far off this time.
I really like how Deonna and Greg seem to be on the same page AND that she seems to really be working to open up to him. IMO, they're most likely to stay together.
I think Iris and Keith have a good chance of staying together too. They both seem to WANT to make it work. As for Iris calling herself a virgin, there's a whole generation of young people who grew up with the attitude that oral sex isn't as big of a deal. A virgin is literally someone who hasn't had sexual intercourse. That's the dictionary definition. It doesn't reference other sexual activities and it doesn't mean she has to wear a chastity belt and never touch a man. I don't have a problem with Iris calling herself what she is. I like that the expert (sorry, haven't bothered to learn her name) told her to stop saying a man would "take" her virginity. Using that word implies she has no agency in that situation.
I respect the fact that Keith is being cautious. I know some guys talk about not wanting the responsibility of being a woman's first, but I think Keith is more concerned about them consummating the marriage and then it not working out, after she's waited all this time and it was so important to her. I thought the dice game was cute, but I wouldn't want to be kissing anyone's toes either! Ick. Definitely don't have a foot fetish.
I like that the experts are explicitly telling the women, in particular, that they'll support whatever decision they need to make. Feels like a response to the situation last season with Kate and Luke where some people felt she was urged to stay in the marriage, even though she wanted to leave.
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Post by justCoz on Aug 16, 2019 5:43:50 GMT
I liked that they checked in with them this week to see what they're thinking and feeling. I think the new Dr chick was surprised when Amber said she'd stick it out. I also liked that they asked them what it'll take for them to say yes and no at the end. It'll give the couples who are teetering a chance to work towards compatibility.
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Post by Critical on Aug 16, 2019 20:15:19 GMT
I liked that they checked in with them this week to see what they're thinking and feeling. I think the new Dr chick was surprised when Amber said she'd stick it out. I also liked that they asked them what it'll take for them to say yes and no at the end. It'll give the couples who are teetering a chance to work towards compatibility. I liked that too. IMO, there are probably several marriages in previous seasons that could have been saved if the experts had stepped in more and helped the couples through disagreements. I know that Jamie has said more than once that they wouldn't have made it if the experts hadn't been there. I think she would have cut and run after she caught Doug smoking and look at what a mistake that would have been!
That being said, I don't think any amount of counseling can help Jamie and Beth. I think they're toxic together. Maybe (MAYBE) they'd be different in a relationship with other people, but together, they're a mess. Having a passionate relationship is great, but not when the passion involves anger and name calling.
I also think Matt and Amber can't be helped by counseling. With a different guy, I think Amber would be fine. Matt strikes me as the type who's been able to bs his way out of any situation and is always forgiven. It feels like he's never really been held accountable before. Maybe the experts didn't know how big Amber's abandonment issues really are. I'm sure when people fill out those questionnaires, they're not completely truthful. Maybe they answer the questions as if they're an ideal version of themselves or they're saying what they think the experts want to hear....sort of like how many people are at the beginning of a relationship.
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Post by provenceguy on Aug 17, 2019 18:20:27 GMT
I don't have Instagram, but I think from what I read on her public page (as opposed to her Instagram stories that I can't get into), Jamie and Beth are still together. She seems to have released this update...
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Post by mina on Aug 18, 2019 0:02:54 GMT
I'm an episode behind, I'm on the one month anniversary one. Devon a and Greg are glowing !
Matt and amber- yawn .
Keith needs to romance iris; you could be married 8 months or 50 years and your spouse could cut out any time. Love is always a risk and I completely understand not jumping into sex with a stranger, but iris needs to be open to the possibility of losing her virginity - these things happen in marriage . They need to sit down and either make a pact that they are just going to focus on strengthening their relationship for 8 weeks and THEN have sex or do other things since Iris has done other things. I hope it's just the producers hyping up her virginity; because if not she definitely made an idol out of it.
Jamie is just a mean person. Dollars to doughnuts he whipped out the photo book at home again so he could take it out on her that his feelings were hurt the first go around. Yes, Beth is totally into herself but I don't think it was excessive or abnormal in this situation of seeing your wedding pictures for the first time. jamie could have stopped all of this if he had just said, "yes, you look so beautiful, honey!". He has anger issues and can't let things go. Him following her around and bothering her over and over about the issue and not giving her space was a little creepy. Then he immediately snaps into I'm leaving and we are done mode. If i were her, I would have changed the locks after he left.
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Post by Navybelle on Aug 18, 2019 4:18:03 GMT
I can't stand Elizabeth, and think she's nuts. They're both crazy, and horrible to each other, and she's such a witch most of the time! The tiny bit of credit I'll give him, is when he comes back and apologizes, and tries to make it better. I haven't seen her do that, because she's always right, or fed up, or something. She's a nightmare. Irrational and overreactive, she'd be horrible to live with. And Jamie is not a nice person, lashes out at the person he says he loves and couldn't picture dating anyone else. Huh? Two certifiably crazy people, they are. I actually don't want to watch their segments anymore, because I can't relate to either of them and their insanity. At the end of the last episode when Iris and Keith were playing with the edible paints, my dvr recording stopped right when he was at her inner thigh! I thought, well there you go Keith!! She hasn't seemed romantic to him at all, so I understand his perspective. She's been nice, supportive, and I think he's been trying too, but they weren't getting anywhere. He sure is a cutie, so I don't understand why she wouldn't want to make some moves on him!! Greg's been very patient too, and really sweet. I didn't think I would like him as much as I do. He's really proven himself as a genuine, great guy. And then there's Matt, who is not genuine or great. Why did he do this show?? Why would he want a wife, or a girlfriend even, if all he wants to do is go out and hang with his buddies all the time? I don't like hearing they're different when the cameras are around, that's so unfair to the one who's trying to make it a real relationship. I agree that perhaps he has a drinking/drug problem, or something else that we're not seeing, because he says the right things but his actions don't match. And his words don't have any emotion behind them to make him sound believable. Amber should run from that guy, as fast as she can. The show may be making her "abandonment issues" a big deal, but what newlywed is going to be happy about her husband not coming home at night, repeatedly? Her reactions are emotional, sure, but I can't blame her. He's been a jerk. Pastor Cal is just my all time favorite! He cracks me up!! I want him to come to my house with that no-nonsense talk.
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Post by mina on Aug 22, 2019 14:37:28 GMT
Iris' secret?????? WTH? I thought it was going to be something that explained her discomfort at the mention of sex; like she got a quarter stuck up there and had to have surgery and she's afraid to have vaginal sex. Something that would explain something. I've liked Iris (even through the lemonade drama), but I like her a lot less after that nothing dumb secret.
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Post by nicksmom on Aug 22, 2019 15:44:04 GMT
I so agree with the secret , when they were going to say I was like don’t tell us it is theirs to share but when she said it ...my daughter said I guess she doesn’t keep secrets or have them. I think Iris was very sheltered or something.
I love Greg , he really does great things and thinks of her. Did she say she was nasty to her first boyfriend? She can grow from that since she acknowledged it. Maybe that is what Devonna meant when Greg hasn’t seen all her sides. Still routing for these two.
Amber and Matt are still off for me . There are definitely issues with his family.
I’m so confused with Elizabeth. I get she lived in a trailer and didn’t have a lot and now her family does. I’m sure there had to be a lot edited since he said he understood now. I don’t understand . She sure made it awkward at the race car experience. The guy was giving out instructions and she wanted to talk, I can’t figure out why they were at each end and not beside each other than he could have said something privately but I think she would have still made a scene. Than again another fight in the car. This couple is too much.
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Post by justCoz on Aug 22, 2019 16:17:19 GMT
That was a crazy secret. Maybe she didn't want to share something too deep on camera? if so, this wasn't the show to participate in. If that truly is the most embarrassing thing that's ever happened to her, she's had a pretty good life! I like Greg and Deonna together. I hope they make it. But, what was with Greg talking over her? Hopefully when he saw himself he realized just how that was and will not do that. I thought Beth was so rude talking over the instructions the worker was trying to give them. It was like a toddler who doesn't know when not to talk. She obviously did need to be told to be quiet. That said, Jamie telling her to shut up was also inappropriate. I only object to his words though, not the sentiment. I wouldn't have a problem if he had said 'we need to listen, so be quiet a minute'. I presume that's why no one else stuck up for her (or however she phrased it). They agreed she needed to shut up, but not the way it was said. Oh, that's probably why she was so hateful and didn't care if she ruined their day. I just figured that out as I was typing. She thought they should have said something to Jamie on her behalf. They didn't, so she didnt feel any remorse for how she acted. It was her perceived lack of care for her. She lacks some self awareness to her own inappropriate behavior. I don't even believe Matt when he's talking about his developing feelings. To put it mildly, he was pretty blunt on Unfiltered about his feelings towards Amber. I didn't realize that not only was he not talking to his parents after their divorce, but also not speaking to his sisters either. That's kind of odd, isn't it?
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Post by mina on Aug 22, 2019 16:56:34 GMT
Elizabeth is AWFUL. I really wonder what her sisters are like. Her mom seemed normal and composed so maybe she tried to teach her some manners but Beth is just ferral and feels "special". I would hate living with her and I understand Jamie is completely frustrated. If he were a better man, he would just like talk to her normally or something, but he's awful too with anger issues and a "special" complex all his own. Sure, people present their best self on applications and stuff, but I would think these people would have to go through a psych eval. to be on a show like this. Did they both just lie and manipulate their way through? I don't want to see either of them anymore.
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Post by cavendish on Aug 22, 2019 18:58:28 GMT
This show reminds me of how selfish and horrible we can be in private, with ‘loved ones”—. even if we might come across only as quirky and refreshingly honest in public (or whatever the psychologists thought Elizabeth was). The fights between Elizabeth and Jamie are so painful and ugly. —I hope on the worst day of my worst year I wasn’t that bad. —.
And what is Matt doing on this show? some sort of bet with drinking buddies? He seems to have no interest in this relationship— or probably any relationship—and come on!?—he thinks you marry a stranger and go off to Europe to tour the next month? after some self serving boilerplate bs about settling down?
I think someone should step in to protect amber from this potentially retraumatizing situation. She might need a lot of help getting over this thing. —and I think the psychs should have seen this one coming—what with matts touring and family situation.
Bottom line:
It’s too hard to watch.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Aug 22, 2019 22:39:33 GMT
cavendish, I think Matt just needed a place to crash for a few weeks. I liked how Iris put him in check on Unfiltered when he said he had sacrificed so much. 😲 She clapped back with " that's what you do in a marriage." Amber should get a do over as she was royally screwed over by the "experts."
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Post by nicksmom on Aug 23, 2019 0:32:55 GMT
Where do you watch Unfiltered? I don’t think we get it here.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Aug 23, 2019 1:08:22 GMT
Where do you watch Unfiltered? I don’t think we get it here. Here is the U.S. it airs the half-hour before the new episode begins.
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Post by Critical on Aug 23, 2019 1:36:06 GMT
It's on right before MAFS each week. Unfiltered is at 8:00 and the show starts at 8:30 If swallowing a quarter is Iris' dirtiest secret, then she's lived a pretty sheltered life...and a pretty dull one too! Either that, of she didn't want to reveal her actual dirty secret on camera. I actually hope it's the latter. I don't think having something major like that is a sign of maturity. I guess some people just don't live their lives in a way that would result in those little secrets. The lead-in to that "reveal" was definitely a lot more dramatic than it needed to be. What else? She once stuck a bean up her nose? Deonna and Greg are still my favorites to make it IRL. I really like how they accept and acknowledge their shortcomings and work to make changes. IMO, that's a mark of real maturity. We see a lot of "this is just the way I am and you need to deal with it" nonsense on this show. It's refreshing to see people who accept criticism and adjust their behavior. Contrast them with Jamie and Beth, who repeatedly have received feedback about their behavior and vow to change and then keep doing the same damned thing. They both fight ugly and they can't let anything go. Maybe them staying together could save two other perfectly nice people from a terrible relationship. Amber needs to get out of that marriage. The more I see Matt, the shadier he seems. IMO, he's not even ready to have a serious girlfriend, much less a wife.
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Post by justCoz on Aug 23, 2019 2:11:30 GMT
I just watched the Couples Couch edition. I love the premise, but not the execution. They need to do it a little more like Pillow Talk does for 90 Days, Happily Ever After? I don't want to rewatch most of the show. They need to edit it down to an hour and only show the most relevant parts that the couch couples are taking about. I fast-forwarded through most of the show, just pausing when the couch couples were on. But, I did like it, and I will watch it!
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Post by nicksmom on Aug 23, 2019 3:13:53 GMT
Where do you watch Unfiltered? I don’t think we get it here. Here is the U.S. it airs the half-hour before the new episode begins. I’m in Canada , it comes on here at 9:00-10:30 on Lifetime. So I don’t get to see it bummer.
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Post by nicksmom on Aug 29, 2019 18:53:25 GMT
So Jamie is gone for 4 days and Elizabeth really doesn’t seem that mad when they meet up. It’s so up and down with them . She is over the top with a lot of things.
Greg and Devonna are so cute together. The spider thing was hilarious. I would have probably killed it when I saw it.
They all got along well when together.
I sure hope Amber sees the light soon. Previews next week show us her upset again.
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Post by amber on Aug 30, 2019 7:53:25 GMT
I hope Elizabeth and Jamie find ways to make their relationship work, for I can't imagine either one making it work with anyone else.
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Post by provenceguy on Aug 30, 2019 15:26:04 GMT
This may have been mentioned upthread, {Spoiler} but Reddit has posted a photo of Beth and Jamie out and about very recently, indicating that they are still together.
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Post by Navybelle on Sept 1, 2019 4:18:01 GMT
I just watched the Couples Couch edition. I love the premise, but not the execution. They need to do it a little more like Pillow Talk does for 90 Days, Happily Ever After? I don't want to rewatch most of the show. They need to edit it down to an hour and only show the most relevant parts that the couch couples are taking about. I fast-forwarded through most of the show, just pausing when the couch couples were on. But, I did like it, and I will watch it! It does sound like a good idea, but when I was watching, there was so little actual conversation and even when there was, very little of substance. It was boring to me, and I doubt I'll give it another try. How full of it is Matt?? Wow. He just spits out these words and means absolutely none of them, and has no evidence to back them up. I keep asking WHY he came on this show, and lately keep wondering if he thinks anyone believes him when he says this stuff? I couldn't believe it when he was telling the guys that he hasn't even had time to be selfish and ask himself if he's happy, because he's been working so hard at this marriage! Such bull.
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Post by justCoz on Sept 1, 2019 4:26:10 GMT
I just watched the Couples Couch edition. I love the premise, but not the execution. They need to do it a little more like Pillow Talk does for 90 Days, Happily Ever After? I don't want to rewatch most of the show. They need to edit it down to an hour and only show the most relevant parts that the couch couples are taking about. I fast-forwarded through most of the show, just pausing when the couch couples were on. But, I did like it, and I will watch it! It does sound like a good idea, but when I was watching, there was so little actual conversation and even when there was, very little of substance. It was boring to me, and I doubt I'll give it another try. How full of it is Matt?? Wow. He just spits out these words and means absolutely none of them, and has no evidence to back them up. I keep asking WHY he came on this show, and lately keep wondering if he thinks anyone believes him when he says this stuff? I couldn't believe it when he was telling the guys that he hasn't even had time to be selfish and ask himself if he's happy, because he's been working so hard at this marriage! Such bull. I snark at Matt every time he's spouting off his crap. I tell him no one believes him! It's just so obvious. Does he believe himself, that's what I wonder. Amber wants to believe him but even she's having a hard time at that at this point! Couples Couch is way too long. A few of the bits they show are amusing, but they're too few and far between. They need to edit it down. I fast forwarded through most of the second episode too .
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Post by cavendish on Sept 5, 2019 8:29:19 GMT
Saw a few minutes of tonight’s show. I hope I’m wrong—but I wondered if Amber would actually stay with Matt because she can’t give up the phantasy/wish/need that he loves her and she can’t face being alone or “losing” him.
When he was talking to his friend I couldnt believe his being “annoyed” about her fears and imagining the worst when he’s out all night. Or all night and all day. I’m hoping that he walks away— for her sake.
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Post by amber on Sept 5, 2019 9:23:52 GMT
Previews seemed to indicate shattering of such hopes. Watching the experts reaction was truly a first.
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