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Post by FannyMare on Jul 19, 2018 17:29:54 GMT
I thought the flower arrangement looked like one of those things they have at the horse shows, either way, it was so OTT
Bethenny was determined not to have a good time..honestly, she needs professional help, because there was more drama with her ( rolling around after throwing up) saying look at my lips etc..after her one teaspoon of fish soup, and her panic attacks and her stress, than Ramona last night. She can have all the money in the world , and have as many shows on TV, the girl ain't happy!
She wanted Carole to be all stressed over the demise of their relationship, and she simply isn't..she obviously saw a side to Bethenny she didn't like, it happens..
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Post by acookertv on Jul 19, 2018 17:35:37 GMT
The "incident" they've talked about was when Bethenny asked Adam to go take pictures on one of her relief trips, he asked how much it paid and she was turned off by his expecting to be paid and complained about it to Carole. But I think it was more that they grew apart and that gave them something to fight about. I think that there are many people who drift away from Bethenny because they start out wanting to support her, and over time realize that it's all about her all the time. But I will readily admit that I"m projecting my own thoughts on her by saying that, and not basing it on anything Carole has said.
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Post by Girly18 on Jul 19, 2018 17:58:28 GMT
This is my observation going off from the start of episode 1 of this season. There was already a rift before filming that should have been addressed before filming. EGOS. They say it started with Bethenny asking Adam to photograph the charity for free and her bad mouthing Adam when he declined. She was 100% wrong even if him and Carole were broken up. Then talking about it with Dorinda out of all ppl who then told Carole is what set the whole season off. She had kept it to herself but now she felt Bethenny was talking about her so her defenses came up. Bethenny was hoping they could fix it but it was apparent in the Berkshires and one on one dinner that was not going to happen so easily. Carole was either already done with the friendship or she refused to back down to Bethenny so that she wouldn't give up control. She was not being as vulnerable as Bethenny was trying to be. I don't think Carole was just mad about the Adam thing, I think she was just already exhausted from the friendship and feeling a certain way about Bethenny. She then became the first aggressor talking bad about Bethenny, attacking her character, spilling secrets, and shading her in her confessionals. Bethenny is now doing the same. Bethenny is no angel whatsoever but I feel like Bethenny had the match and Carole lit this friendship on fire and now there is no going back cause now the nasty side of Bethenny that she tried to hold in due to the friendship is coming out in full force. These two need to sit in a room and have it out whether they come out as friends or not b/c its obvious they have a lot of strong opinions on one another. They are both in the wrong at this point IMO. Real friendships should never turn this nasty.
I do find it odd that Carole could not stand any of the cast for years besides Dorinda and Bethenny but this season she is super friendly with everyone. I think she is being just as calculated as Bethenny is with Sonja and Luann.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 19, 2018 18:20:41 GMT
This is my observation going off from the start of episode 1 of this season. There was already a rift before filming that should have been addressed before filming. EGOS. They say it started with Bethenny asking Adam to photograph the charity for free and her bad mouthing Adam when he declined. She was 100% wrong even if him and Carole were broken up. Then talking about it with Dorinda out of all ppl who then told Carole is what set the whole season off. She had kept it to herself but now she felt Bethenny was talking about her so her defenses came up. Bethenny was hoping they could fix it but it was apparent in the Berkshires and one on one dinner that was not going to happen so easily. Carole was either already done with the friendship or she refused to back down to Bethenny so that she wouldn't give up control. She was not being as vulnerable as Bethenny was trying to be. I don't think Carole was just mad about the Adam thing, I think she was just already exhausted from the friendship and feeling a certain way about Bethenny. She then became the first aggressor talking bad about Bethenny, attacking her character, spilling secrets, and shading her in her confessionals. Bethenny is now doing the same. Bethenny is no angel whatsoever but I feel like Bethenny had the match and Carole lit this friendship on fire and now there is no going back cause now the nasty side of Bethenny that she tried to hold in due to the friendship is coming out in full force. These two need to sit in a room and have it out whether they come out as friends or not b/c its obvious they have a lot of strong opinions on one another. They are both in the wrong at this point IMO. Real friendships should never turn this nasty. I do find it odd that Carole could not stand any of the cast for years besides Dorinda and Bethenny but this season she is super friendly with everyone. I think she is being just as calculated as Bethenny is with Sonja and Luann. I agree with a lot of this. I don't think that Carole and Bethenny are ever going to work out their issues, primarily because Carole does not want to. I get the impression that Carole draws firm lines between her life on the show and her life away from the show. In her mind, I think she's got friends who have virtually nothing to do with the show ... and then she's got co-workers who she maintains friendships with in order to have a place on the show. With Carole, if you asked her to name her closest friends, I don't think they'd be people who have anything to do with the show. With Bethenny on the other hand, she grates on people and expects people to revolve around her. As a result, the people who she defines as her friends are more likely to be paid to be so - either because they work for her, or because they are on the show. Carole can rely on Tinsley, Dorinda and others to have a connection and be on the show, while having the friendships where she finds support quality time from people we've never heard of. Bethenny has no companionship nor support without the people paid to be in her life. Bethenny needs their relationship to be fixed. Carole does not. Bethenny's way to fix it is to get Carole to see how she needs to bend and change in order to better serve Bethenny. Bethenny is not interest in changing herself to be a better friend to Carole. Carole has moved on, doesn't care, and won't change.
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 19, 2018 18:39:42 GMT
The friendship will never be the same, as you say Carole has moved on..but above all that, Carole doesnt want someone who is an attention whore. We get that Ramona is, but she's pretty harmless, Bethenny is a different breed, what was all that talk ( because Brian red scarf wanted to date Carole?) he's running game, she said that 5 times if she said it 50 times, little snippy things like that, get to everyone..
The show would be better without B, because if it's not about her, her huge new condo, going to PR, skinny jeans, omg the list is endless she isn't happy..the fact that others are getting along, going about their business, makes her unhappy..( very unhappy)
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Post by beerbelly on Jul 19, 2018 18:43:03 GMT
Omg! Loved when Ramona got stuck in the elevator. I could watch that for hours!
I too have a fish allergy and get a rash, but am never on the floor - however I don't have cameras on me so I might do something better if they were.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 19, 2018 18:46:27 GMT
Omg! Loved when Ramona got stuck in the elevator. I could watch that for hours! I too have a fish allergy and get a rash, but am never on the floor - however I don't have cameras on me so I might do something better if they were. Curious - since you have a fish allergy, do you ask about the ingredients of food you don't order to ensure no one mistakenly gives you fish? Or mention to a host up front you can't have fish?
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Post by momrek06 on Jul 19, 2018 18:49:49 GMT
Like when Beth said she had COVERED NYC looking for that GIANT NUTCRACKER.......and Dorinda came through for her.........I thought Beth would have been allot more appreciative for Dorinda's research and tracking it down and getting it delivered!!!
It bothered Dorinda a bit only because some of the ladies (Carole) I think felt Beth was not thankful (enough) for Dorinda's sweet gesture in hopes of making BRYN's holiday perfect!
Things like above.......that Beth just does not get. Is it because she is so wealthy? OR????
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 19, 2018 18:51:01 GMT
Omg! Loved when Ramona got stuck in the elevator. I could watch that for hours! I too have a fish allergy and get a rash, but am never on the floor - however I don't have cameras on me so I might do something better if they were. But she can eat fish( she ordered fish)..I gather it's just shellfish, and does nobody carry an epipen anymore?
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 19, 2018 20:52:14 GMT
Like when Beth said she had COVERED NYC looking for that GIANT NUTCRACKER.......and Dorinda came through for her.........I thought Beth would have been allot more appreciative for Dorinda's research and tracking it down and getting it delivered!!! It bothered Dorinda a bit only because some of the ladies (Carole) I think felt Beth was not thankful (enough) for Dorinda's sweet gesture in hopes of making BRYN's holiday perfect! Things like above.......that Beth just does not get. Is it because she is so wealthy? OR???? She sort of lives her life, constantly on the run, busy, busy busy, and without love( except for and from her daughter) they have given her too much on this show. I think skinny girl this that and the other is okay, I mainly ignore it,but why does she have to be the one to comment over every little thing..everyone else does. I said it a long long time go, Beth can dish it out, she cannot take it..
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Post by momrek06 on Jul 19, 2018 21:17:36 GMT
Like when Beth said she had COVERED NYC looking for that GIANT NUTCRACKER.......and Dorinda came through for her.........I thought Beth would have been allot more appreciative for Dorinda's research and tracking it down and getting it delivered!!! It bothered Dorinda a bit only because some of the ladies (Carole) I think felt Beth was not thankful (enough) for Dorinda's sweet gesture in hopes of making BRYN's holiday perfect! Things like above.......that Beth just does not get. Is it because she is so wealthy? OR???? She sort of lives her life, constantly on the run, busy, busy busy, and without love( except for and from her daughter) they have given her too much on this show. I think skinny girl this that and the other is okay, I mainly ignore it,but why does she have to be the one to comment over every little thing..everyone else does. I said it a long long time go, Beth can dish it out, she cannot take it.. I wonder if she ever watches the show? I have seen episodes of Dr.Phil where people do not think their behavior is rude obnoxious loud pompous spoiled selfish abusive .... etc etc and when he installs cameras in their homes and records their behavior .... quite often the person is appalled at their behavior and realizes it indeed needs changing. Essentially, they are shocked by what they saw of themselves. I wonder that of Beth when/if she watches the show??? Maybe she does and thinks nothing of how she acts at times. Let me say this .... I do not think she is a bad person at all .... just conflicted at times.
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 19, 2018 21:20:36 GMT
No, she's not all bad, none of them are imho. It's just when she is upset, everyone( everyone ) has to know it, and imho, she is getting worse.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 19, 2018 21:23:12 GMT
Like when Beth said she had COVERED NYC looking for that GIANT NUTCRACKER.......and Dorinda came through for her.........I thought Beth would have been allot more appreciative for Dorinda's research and tracking it down and getting it delivered!!! It bothered Dorinda a bit only because some of the ladies (Carole) I think felt Beth was not thankful (enough) for Dorinda's sweet gesture in hopes of making BRYN's holiday perfect! Things like above.......that Beth just does not get. Is it because she is so wealthy? OR???? She sort of lives her life, constantly on the run, busy, busy busy, and without love( except for and from her daughter) they have given her too much on this show. I think skinny girl this that and the other is okay, I mainly ignore it,but why does she have to be the one to comment over every little thing..everyone else does. I said it a long long time go, Beth can dish it out, she cannot take it.. I think that for all her success, Bethenny is an extremely insecure person. It's not surprising - the way she's described her childhood she didn't really have anyone to build her up and help her to know her self-worth. It's not unusual for people who have such low self esteem to cut others down in order to feel good about themselves. Take the red scarf guy ... if Bethenny declares she's not interested in him, then it doesn't hurt when he's not captivated by her. If she finds ways to make sure people know she was his first choice, then she can tell herself that she's better than Carole. She knocks people down so she can believe she's on top. Luann does the same thing - though not nearly as much as she used to. It's funny that Bethenny used to endure Luann and Kelly cutting her down all the time in order for each of them to feel good, and now she's taken that behavior and raised it up to off the charts levels.
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Post by beerbelly on Jul 19, 2018 22:30:25 GMT
Omg! Loved when Ramona got stuck in the elevator. I could watch that for hours! I too have a fish allergy and get a rash, but am never on the floor - however I don't have cameras on me so I might do something better if they were. Curious - since you have a fish allergy, do you ask about the ingredients of food you don't order to ensure no one mistakenly gives you fish? Or mention to a host up front you can't have fish? I sure do. I'm surprised she could't smell that it was a fish soup. I also carry an anti-histamine in case I get an allergic reaction to anything when I travel.
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Post by momrek06 on Jul 19, 2018 22:40:18 GMT
Curious - since you have a fish allergy, do you ask about the ingredients of food you don't order to ensure no one mistakenly gives you fish? Or mention to a host up front you can't have fish? I sure do. I'm surprised she could't smell that it was a fish soup. I also carry an anti-histamine in case I get an allergic reaction to anything when I travel. I think beerbelly in defense of Beth, there may have been a TON of smells generating from that table as it was FULL of different "dishes"! AND Mona told her it was "chicken" soup.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 19, 2018 23:10:17 GMT
Ramona said the wraps were chicken, not the soup. Bethebby said herself that she assumed the soup was chicken.
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 19, 2018 23:41:34 GMT
Ramona said the wraps were chicken, not the soup. Bethebby said herself that she assumed the soup was chicken. Yes, you can't pin this on Ramona..she remembered after the fact, but she's not there to baby Bethenny
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Post by norealityhere on Jul 20, 2018 4:57:39 GMT
I was never a big fan of Carole's, but this season I am liking her. I think a lot has to do with her standing up to Bethenny. Somebody finally needed to. In this life, we all have baggage. However, when we get to be the age these women are, we need to stop blaming others for our problems. B has played the victim for far too many years. Shakespeare said, "perhaps the fault is not in the stars....but in ourselves." Man up, already, B!! we all have baggage. It's what we do about it as adults that sets us apart from animals.
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Post by kocky_Kamikaze on Jul 20, 2018 15:52:34 GMT
Omg! Loved when Ramona got stuck in the elevator. I could watch that for hours! I too have a fish allergy and get a rash, but am never on the floor - however I don't have cameras on me so I might do something better if they were. Curious - since you have a fish allergy, do you ask about the ingredients of food you don't order to ensure no one mistakenly gives you fish? Or mention to a host up front you can't have fish? I also have food allergies so I ask. Truthfully, if I were on that show with the cameras, I'd more than likely be splayed out like the hammiest dramatic actor out there! I'd make sure no one forgets me!
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Post by beerbelly on Jul 20, 2018 15:59:05 GMT
Ha! I'd borrow Ramona's wheelchair!
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Post by pasnowbunny2 on Jul 20, 2018 22:50:47 GMT
Having never personally met B, from what I heard about her is that she firmly believes she is everyone's center of the universe and everyone needs to cater to her every whims, needs & desires no matter how insane or ridiculous they might be. When she decided she needed to raise her daughter by herself she went on a smear campaign against her ex. Face it she has the money, the means & the PR staff to make it happen. She has so many balls in the air she's bound to drop one of them. That's when she has her over-the-top meltdowns. I can see how she exhausts everyone around her. The turn-over rate in her office must be incredible.
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 22, 2018 5:50:10 GMT
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Post by pasnowbunny2 on Jul 23, 2018 1:29:37 GMT
Butttt I thought she was dating Dennis....confused.
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 23, 2018 3:53:19 GMT
Butttt I thought she was dating Dennis....confused. They broke up awhile ago, I think I saw a blurb, that they tried again though.. I think she liked Brian, at least her texts suggest that..
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jul 23, 2018 10:31:10 GMT
I don't see what the big deal is???????? They tried to set up a date/time for a lunch date. Bethenny then mentioned that she heard the bit about Ramona + his possible interest in Carole. And then SHE said SHE was going to pass. Period.
So what??????
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 23, 2018 11:45:07 GMT
I don't see what the big deal is???????? They tried to set up a date/time for a lunch date. Bethenny then mentioned that she heard the bit about Ramona + his possible interest in Carole. And then SHE said SHE was going to pass. Period. So what?????? She said Brian wouldn't stop texting!
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Post by acookertv on Jul 23, 2018 11:54:15 GMT
I don't see what the big deal is???????? They tried to set up a date/time for a lunch date. Bethenny then mentioned that she heard the bit about Ramona + his possible interest in Carole. And then SHE said SHE was going to pass. Period. So what?????? I think Brian spoke up because Bethenny was trying to make it out to be that she was heavily pursuing her because she's such a catch that no one can stay away from. In the first episode he appeared on, she talked about how tired she is of men who are so interested in her, and she tries to get interested but can't ... an attempt to make herself seem ultra desirable (and probably cover up that she turns so many people off by being so self-obsessed). I would agree that once Bethenny realized that he was showing interest in Ramona and Carole as well, she lost interest. But she also ran her mouth quite a bit to make it appear that he really wanted her but only settled for Ramona and Carole when he realized he couldn't get her ... and he spoke up to indicate that was not the case, and that she pursued him as much as he pursued her - casually in both cases.
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Post by pasnowbunny2 on Jul 23, 2018 21:14:21 GMT
So she is on dating sites. For such a "beautiful" highly successful woman she sure has a tough time dating.
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 23, 2018 21:55:44 GMT
So she is on dating sites. For such a "beautiful" highly successful woman she sure has a tough time dating. I can't think why...
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Post by pasnowbunny2 on Jul 24, 2018 0:38:14 GMT
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