Punkin
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Post by Punkin on Nov 28, 2021 5:20:26 GMT
I just learned something today. My friend Melanie was visiting and I was telling her about this new Hulu 6 part series, "City of Angels, City of Death" (really good!), about the several serial killers (Hillside Stranglers, Sunset Strip Killer, Freeway Killer, etc.) who were operating in LA at the same time in the late '70's and early '80's. She told me that Carpenter, the Trailside Killer, killed her cousin. Wow! I knew about him because he lived in the Glen Park neighborhood of San Francisco where I was raised. In fact Carpenter grew up on the same street that my mother grew up on. So I had read all about him when he was killing and caught. He dumped many of the bodies of his victims in the Santa Cruz Mountains near Boulder Creek where we vacationed every year as I grew up. I Yahooed Carpenter and found, much to my surprise, that Lisa Rinna's mother, who recently died. was the one only Trailside victim who got away! Wow! He's now 91 and still on Death Row at San Quentin. Again, Wpw!
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Post by cavendish on Nov 28, 2021 20:56:38 GMT
Kathy didnt always bring the calm. As i recall she was the one who made an off-hand joke about the word -- which now escapes me -- that sutton took such exception to -- which as i recall led to yet another meltdown on suttons part and a whole new hullabaloo between sutton and . Im not sure she meant to stir the pot. I think she just either mostly awol or an airhead. Or so used to being obsequiously indulged that she doesnt think -- period. I know kathy is very popular but i found her studied self-absorption a bit off-putting.
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Post by prism on Nov 28, 2021 21:47:21 GMT
Kathy didnt always bring the calm. As i recall she was the one who made an off-hand joke about the word -- which now escapes me -- that sutton took such exception to -- which as i recall led to yet another meltdown on suttons part and a whole new hullabaloo between sutton and . Im not sure she meant to stir the pot. I think she just either mostly awol or an airhead. Or so used to being obsequiously indulged that she doesnt think -- period. I know kathy is very popular but i found her studied self-absorption a bit off-putting. Pretty much agree with you about Kathy. She's been so royally feted for so many years, she just backs into her shell and lets it all whirl around her. She's aloof, checked out, not really there... and frankly she seems a little dull, i.e. not very smart, but competent enough to handle herself in public. BTW it appears she joined RH to bring in more viewers to the Paris wedding exhibition. I laughed when she told the sister she knew she was "watching her figger"- cringe. At her age she should have a little better grasp on language. Oh, Kyle- sister, for a minute I couldn't remember her name. Did she joke about Crystal using the word "violate" to describe Sutton darting into Crystal's room to return her coat?
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Post by acookertv on Nov 28, 2021 22:42:08 GMT
Many of the women, and many in the audience, think Crystal was exaggerating to use the word violated. I don’t see a reason to single out Kathy for a common opinion.
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Post by cavendish on Nov 30, 2021 8:18:23 GMT
Im not singling Kathy out -- I'm just referring to her not particularly having an intention to be calming to the others. I dont think shes a bad sort , just not particularly a beacon of concern either.
I thought the word 'violate' was inaccurate myself. Sutton stumbled into crystal's room im her often socially ill-chosen way. -but it was more like she was trying to be thoughtful to demonstrate her desire to heal the breach between them and then when crystal didnt answer her knock, she didnt quite know what to do with the coat and just bumbled.in. It was a bit unconscious -- when someone doesnt answer the door at night its probably more tactful to retreat with their coat.
I wouldnt single kathy out though. I doubt kathy got hte point about 'violate'-- or cared. I mentioned her because at the garden get together she breezed in after the others were talking and addressed sutton with what seemed like a rather monumentally bad joke that referred to the whole 'violation' farrago - which had the effect of setting sutton off which then set crystal off--which led to the next shouting match and Sutton's melt-down, and the. 'Ugly pants' sally. I may misremember, but i cant review the episode to see. -- its what i thought at the time though.
In fact insofar as i recall-- Kathy never expressed any opinion about the whole comflict at the time when it happened.
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Post by acookertv on Nov 30, 2021 11:46:29 GMT
So there was one instance where Kathy didn't effectively calm a situation. I don't think that cancels out the many where she did. I think that when Kathy did it, it was subtle and quiet, which is very easy to overlook on a show where women are battling for attention from the cameras. But she did it many times. On the boat when Sutton was upset, she stayed back with her to listen and validate while the others went around the boat gossiping about what had happened. At the reunion when Erika was talking about how hard it is to deal with everything she is, Kathy made quiet comments expressing understanding. Over and over she did things like this - quiet comments that gave whichever woman was upset some reassurance that she was being heard. That to me is how she delivered a calming influence. Even Michael Jordan missed a shot every now and then - so Kathy missed one.
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Post by cavendish on Dec 1, 2021 8:34:30 GMT
We may have a different take on Kathy, acookertv.. maybe she was the voice of consolation esp to Sutton, or showed concern for her. Most of the women show concern for others at somewhat inconsistent moments. And I don’t know what if any relationship she has or wants to have with Sutton or any of the others.
What struck me about Kathy was that at times she seemed remarkably daffy And at others remarkably clueless about things that seemed to me common knowledge I admit that I didn’t know quite what to make of her as she seemed to have very little at stake. She was rather like someone from from another planet who’d been airdropped into the boiling cauldron of tensions and was glancing about somewhat vaguely for directions to a quieter or more decorous place to conduct whatever business could be conducted
But I admit these are only impressions. My watching got spottier as the season progressed and the mood became more bitter and Erika more venomous.
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Post by acookertv on Dec 1, 2021 11:49:41 GMT
Yes, we do have different takes, and I don't see anything wrong with that. I agree that at times Kathy came across as clueless, and that's what makes her so appealing to me. Among a group of women who obsess over each other's lives, it was refreshing to have someone who didn't get caught up in such trivial things.
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Post by cavendish on Dec 2, 2021 10:00:42 GMT
Definitely. I have no problem with your (or anyone's). seeing it differently. That might not always be true i suppose-- a few of the housewives have done things that i find deeply offensive. But mostly It makes for a more interesting and lively discussion. And it can often be enlightening.
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Post by woodiedog on Dec 2, 2021 23:57:28 GMT
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Post by FannyMare on Dec 3, 2021 5:12:48 GMT
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Her dozy act got a bit old. I don't care if she's not back..
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Post by woodiedog on Dec 4, 2021 21:51:42 GMT
Loved Kathy this season! The TV trays, the lampshade hat, the self deprecating humor! I need more of that and less of the tawdry talk.
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prism
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Post by prism on Dec 5, 2021 3:53:41 GMT
We may have a different take on Kathy, acookertv.. maybe she was the voice of consolation esp to Sutton, or showed concern for her. Most of the women show concern for others at somewhat inconsistent moments. And I don’t know what if any relationship she has or wants to have with Sutton or any of the others. What struck me about Kathy was that at times she seemed remarkably daffy And at others remarkably clueless about things that seemed to me common knowledge I admit that I didn’t know quite what to make of her as she seemed to have very little at stake. She was rather like someone from from another planet who’d been airdropped into the boiling cauldron of tensions and was glancing about somewhat vaguely for directions to a quieter or more decorous place to conduct whatever business could be conducted But I admit these are only impressions. My watching got spottier as the season progressed and the mood became more bitter and Erika more venomous. Yes... that. I found her interesting b/c she's different from her castmates. Daffy, clueless -- checked out either by design or default. Probably both. She can afford to be b/c she has more money than all the rest of them put together. That's the arbiter of importance in this world, and she knows it. I'm ok with never seeing her on RH again; she's good for laughs, but they're few and far between. And her calming-influence gestures and words are flat and indifferent; unengaged, uncaring, aloof with a vacant, benign smile.
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Post by FannyMare on Dec 7, 2021 5:45:21 GMT
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Post by acookertv on Dec 7, 2021 11:47:24 GMT
Dorit should probably be investigated too. Chances are she knew PK was drinking, which would make her just as guilty.
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Post by sweetmermaid1 on Dec 7, 2021 12:58:50 GMT
Dorit should probably be investigated too. Chances are she knew PK was drinking, which would make her just as guilty. OK if there can be no discussion that doesn't involve Erika, I would say yes if Dorit's lifestyle greatly benefitted from her husband's crime then she should absolutely be investigated. That being said, thanks for the link FannyMare. I'm glad no one was hurt.
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Post by acookertv on Dec 7, 2021 13:35:21 GMT
There have been enough other Housewives crimes where the spouse has not been implicated that I think it's fair to point out the double standard. Dorit did not pour drinks down PK's throat. In Salt Lake City, Coach Shah is not presumed to have scammed the elderly (even though he did benefit from the money Jen was raking in). But the same standard is not applied to Erika. Makes no sense to me.
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Post by FannyMare on Dec 7, 2021 16:10:41 GMT
Dorit should probably be investigated too. Chances are she knew PK was drinking, which would make her just as guilty. OK if there can be no discussion that doesn't involve Erika, I would say yes if Dorit's lifestyle greatly benefitted from her husband's crime then she should absolutely be investigated. That being said, thanks for the link FannyMare . I'm glad no one was hurt. I'm very glad nobody was hurt,PK is old enough to know better.
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Post by stargazer161 on Dec 7, 2021 16:14:01 GMT
I love how they always say ''I had only one drink''....oh please. Shame on him for driving intoxicated! Hire a driver or take a Uber home....
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Post by annab on Dec 7, 2021 16:30:16 GMT
I'm just thinking, don't they have enough money to have drivers/chauffeurs so then drinking and driving wouldn't be an issue?
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prism
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Post by prism on Dec 8, 2021 5:25:16 GMT
I'm just thinking, don't they have enough money to have drivers/chauffeurs so then drinking and driving wouldn't be an issue? The PK/Dorits portray themselves as having a fabulously costly lifestyle, maybe in the neighborhood of 20 or 30 million or so a year. Excessively costly cars, millions upon millions of dollars of jewelry, designer clothing she “buys herself’ at a couple hundred thousand dollars every few months. Surely they can afford a limo and full time chauffeur services, maybe for 300k a year or so in wages. And they might be wise to have no less than three 24/7 armed guards at their home, which would cost only 800k or so a year. But instead, they drive drunk, allow their home to be broken into, and continue traveling and partying as if nothing happened.
Are they faking it or are they just plain stupid?
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Post by acookertv on Dec 8, 2021 11:45:15 GMT
They're faking it.
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Post by stargazer161 on Dec 8, 2021 16:08:28 GMT
^That's what I think as well...
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Post by amber on Dec 8, 2021 18:56:26 GMT
I came across speculation that it was PK that released the DUI "arrest" to tabloids for a Dorit storyline.
Additionally, here's what Attorney Ronald Richards has contributed to the discussion by telling us there is NO BOOKING DATA.
Honestly, I tend to believe the first statement was true because of what Richards states in the second statement. PK is not that important and this story along with the supposedly ARMED home invasion gives me pause.
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Post by acookertv on Dec 8, 2021 19:30:07 GMT
After a certain point, when bloggers keep on speculating the very same thing each time a Housewife is in the news, dont we have to start to believe they are trying to manifest it to be true rather than having concrete reasons to suggest it?
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Post by FannyMare on Dec 8, 2021 19:40:34 GMT
I came across speculation that it was PK that released the DUI "arrest" to tabloids for a Dorit storyline. Additionally, here's what Attorney Ronald Richards has contributed to the discussion by telling us there is NO BOOKING DATA. Honestly, I tend to believe the first statement was true because of what Richards states in the second statement. PK is not that important and this story along with the supposedly ARMED home invasion gives me pause. Wasn't something else not reported. Weird bunch in BH..LOL
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Post by JustJuls on Dec 8, 2021 20:20:16 GMT
I'm just wondering when this Ronald Richards guy is ever going to stop chasing the Housewives for attention. Tweet on Ronald
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Post by amber on Dec 9, 2021 2:52:23 GMT
He'll continue to be a good source for information about the less than credible housewives and especially for the lying criminal types.
Speaking of Erika, I read she's launching a hair extension line. Some speculate paid for money stolen from widows and orphans. I tend to believe, like Rinna, she's putting her name on another company's product.
Just a thought, but I think Erika does better by selling stripper poles.
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Post by momrek06 on Dec 14, 2021 3:14:16 GMT
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Post by FannyMare on Dec 14, 2021 4:20:48 GMT
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