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Post by MissGriss on Jul 2, 2019 23:29:46 GMT
I don't know if this is really a spoiler at this point, but I hesitate to put it in the episode thread. Supposedly the "f*ing in the windmill" thing she was shouting at Luke in the promo refers to her having sex with Jed. I wonder how that happens, when cameras are following them on all the 1:1 dates. Apparently the cameras and staff aren't there the whole time, though! I don't think it was a "sneak away in The Netherlands" windmill. There are lots of windmills in Mykonos, Greece (see photo) where they have the fantasy dates, and she's likely talking about having sex with Jed (or someone else) during their fantasy suite. Luke's fantasy suite day is the last of the four, so it could have been anyone, but you're probably right that it was Jed. Attachments:
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Jul 2, 2019 23:42:58 GMT
I don't know if this is really a spoiler at this point, but I hesitate to put it in the episode thread. Supposedly the "f*ing in the windmill" thing she was shouting at Luke in the promo refers to her having sex with Jed. I wonder how that happens, when cameras are following them on all the 1:1 dates. Apparently the cameras and staff aren't there the whole time, though! I don't think it was a "sneak away in The Netherlands" windmill. There are lots of windmills in Mykonos, Greece (see photo) where they have the fantasy dates, and she's likely talking about having sex with Jed (or someone else) during their fantasy suite. Luke's fantasy suite day is the last of the four, so it could have been anyone, but you're probably right that it was Jed. Good sleuthing, Miss_Griss!  |
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Post by MissScarlet on Jul 3, 2019 7:49:53 GMT
I taped last night's show & just watched it today.
I thought a lot of them, including Hannah came across very poorly last night. I was very disappointed with the whole show. It left a very negative taste with me.
Let's start with Garrett. He really is a handsome guy, but last night came across as a self important jerk & bully. We all know he hated Luke, but insulting, taunting & baiting him the way he did, & that snotty taunting/mocking smirk made him come across as a first class jerk. When he was sent home I was glad. That smirk was wiped right off his face.
Next let's go with Saint Tyler. Everyone seems to be worshipping him and up until last night he's come across as the nice guy who stays out of the drama, but last night he showed an ugly side. When he started demeaning Luke & mocking his height (really??? Since when is that something that deserves insult?) it didn't look good on Tyler. He looked like a mean bully, kind of like the big jock jerks in High School who took pleasure in making fun of the smaller guys.
Of course there was the perennial odd man out, Luke. I think he tries to fit in with the guys, but the guy is so totally unaware of the way he projects himself, he just keeps making things worse. Garrett may have been baiting him, but he fell right into the trap willingly & came across as exactly what Garrett said he was. I do think he's been fighting a losing battle there since the beginning. The other guys decided this was Pick On Luke Season early on, and never gave him a chance, but his reaction to it is to confirm their opinions. The guy needs to develop some major self awareness, and just tone it down, way down.
On the positive side, I did have to smile at his reaction to being chosen to stay over Garrett. He was grinning ear to ear, and even gave a Garrett worthy smirk.
which leads to...……
Hannah. Maybe it's because we know way more now than she did then, but she is gullible as heck, and so determined to be a "strong free thinking woman" that she's coming across as desperate to prove it, by making some really dumb choices about everything: people, her behavior, not taking others feelings into account, the way she acts when she doesn't get her way.
During the extended spoiler at the end about her date/run in with Luke, she didn't come out of it looking any better than he did, and that's saying a lot. She was rude & jerkish to him. Yeah, he was rude & jerkish to her, but still that's no excuse for the way she acted. Simply stating "Luke, we don't see eye to eye and I don't like your attitude & it's time for you to go, NOW" would have been sufficient & she would have come out of it looking like a strong woman and a lady to boot.
Granted, that extended spoiler was also edited like crazy, just like everything else. Let's hope that the (also quite edited) version we see during the actual episode makes her come off a little better, but as others have said "they can only show what you give them".
Last but not least, on the positive side, Connor & Peter. Both came across as great stand up guys. Connor the way he handled talking to her honestly & leaving, and Peter the way he handled their whole date & fact that he was staying. They were both breaths of fresh air in an otherwise negative episode.
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Post by karna68 on Jul 3, 2019 11:30:30 GMT
 I mostly agree with you MissScarlet but I'm quoting waywyrd posting in the show thread that "I can forgive Tyler's comment, they're all probably extremely tired of Luke's crap and it's wearing on them." |
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Post by babbred on Jul 3, 2019 14:02:51 GMT
I taped last night's show & just watched it today. I thought a lot of them, including Hannah came across very poorly last night. I was very disappointed with the whole show. It left a very negative taste with me. Let's start with Garrett. He really is a handsome guy, but last night came across as a self important jerk & bully. We all know he hated Luke, but insulting, taunting & baiting him the way he did, & that snotty taunting/mocking smirk made him come across as a first class jerk. When he was sent home I was glad. That smirk was wiped right off his face. Next let's go with Saint Tyler. Everyone seems to be worshipping him and up until last night he's come across as the nice guy who stays out of the drama, but last night he showed an ugly side. When he started demeaning Luke & mocking his height (really??? Since when is that something that deserves insult?) it didn't look good on Tyler. He looked like a mean bully, kind of like the big jock jerks in High School who took pleasure in making fun of the smaller guys. Of course there was the perennial odd man out, Luke. I think he tries to fit in with the guys, but the guy is so totally unaware of the way he projects himself, he just keeps making things worse. Garrett may have been baiting him, but he fell right into the trap willingly & came across as exactly what Garrett said he was. I do think he's been fighting a losing battle there since the beginning. The other guys decided this was Pick On Luke Season early on, and never gave him a chance, but his reaction to it is to confirm their opinions. The guy needs to develop some major self awareness, and just tone it down, way down. On the positive side, I did have to smile at his reaction to being chosen to stay over Garrett. He was grinning ear to ear, and even gave a Garrett worthy smirk. which leads to...…… Hannah. Maybe it's because we know way more now than she did then, but she is gullible as heck, and so determined to be a "strong free thinking woman" that she's coming across as desperate to prove it, by making some really dumb choices about everything: people, her behavior, not taking others feelings into account, the way she acts when she doesn't get her way. During the extended spoiler at the end about her date/run in with Luke, she didn't come out of it looking any better than he did, and that's saying a lot. She was rude & jerkish to him. Yeah, he was rude & jerkish to her, but still that's no excuse for the way she acted. Simply stating "Luke, we don't see eye to eye and I don't like your attitude & it's time for you to go, NOW" would have been sufficient & she would have come out of it looking like a strong woman and a lady to boot. Granted, that extended spoiler was also edited like crazy, just like everything else. Let's hope that the (also quite edited) version we see during the actual episode makes her come off a little better, but as others have said "they can only show what you give them". Last but not least, on the positive side, Connor & Peter. Both came across as great stand up guys. Connor the way he handled talking to her honestly & leaving, and Peter the way he handled their whole date & fact that he was staying. They were both breaths of fresh air in an otherwise negative episode.
I really liked Hannah when this season started. She seemed like a breath of fresh air. I liked her down-to-earthiness. Now, however, I have lost all respect for her. I may not even watch next week's episode, or at least not Luke's segment, which will probably be last for the sake of drama. What, watch two children get into a fight on the playground? What, do they need the teacher to intervene?  Like the old saying goes, "Bad behavior on their part does not justify other bad behavior on your part."
Now, granted, she tried to get rid of Luke, and then had to take him back. I am convinced that the producers made her do that. Why put herself through this misery otherwise? But that wasn't the only time she could have let him go. She could have done it before then or afterwards. She could have done it this week. For Pete's sake, Garrett said he loved her and yet she still went with Mr. Complicated Relationship? That's when I lost all sympathy for her.
In fact, now that I know what a mess it all turns out to be, I don't know if I want to watch the rest of the season. Jed? Seriously? Not Movie-star Tyler or I-Love-You Garrett? Jed? Well, as my mother would say, you made your mess so lie in it. It's her life so she'll have to deal with the mess. And BTW, I haven't been impressed by her behavior post-show. Same thing. I don't care what sort of jerk Jed has been. Lowering yourself to his level by throwing fits on social media is just disgusting.
Just glanced below and saw the "windmill" comment again. Oh dear heavens. I teach in a high school. I would say that Hannah is acting like one of my students, but actually, that would be an insult to my students. Just childish, tacky, and disgusting.  |
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Post by karna68 on Jul 3, 2019 14:11:59 GMT
I was not happy when they announced Hannah as B'ette. But then I thought I would give it a try and I too liked it at first but now I realize why she's single. She goes based on physical attraction and that can only get you so far.  |
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Post by provenceguy on Jul 3, 2019 15:14:48 GMT
Well, not only has Reality Steve reported that Hannah broke her engagement with Jed early last week, but yesterday he said that they had broken up altogether. They are dunzo.
This may have been stated upthread; I dunno...
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Post by karna68 on Jul 3, 2019 16:20:37 GMT
Well, not only has Reality Steve reported that Hannah broke her engagement with Jed early last week, but yesterday he said that they had broken up altogether. They are dunzo. This may have been stated upthread; I dunno... Yes we've been discussing  |
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 3, 2019 16:39:47 GMT
I was not happy when they announced Hannah as B'ette. But then I thought I would give it a try and I too liked it at first but now I realize why she's single. She goes based on physical attraction and that can only get you so far. I never liked her. I thought she was a poor choice ( sorry) I watched the first or second episode, and I didn't bother with it anymore |
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Post by MissScarlet on Jul 3, 2019 19:20:03 GMT
I was not happy when they announced Hannah as B'ette. But then I thought I would give it a try and I too liked it at first but now I realize why she's single. She goes based on physical attraction and that can only get you so far. I never liked her. I thought she was a poor choice ( sorry) I watched the first or second episode, and I didn't bother with it anymore I agree. To use a slightly off color expression, she acts like her sh*t don't stink. She can do whatever she wants & say whatever she wants to people & they have no right to be offended, but she, on the other hand can get high & mighty about anything they say or do. I gave her a chance in the beginning, & even liked her then, but it's dwindling very fast. |
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Post by kk4 on Jul 4, 2019 19:52:47 GMT
My rant here: This show has now totally jumped that shark and I no longer find it enjoyable. I have watched since day one of this Bachelor/Bachelorette "franchise". Please don't tell me the producers of this mess of a season didn't know Jed had g/friend. I just don't buy it. Please don't tell me that they didn't know that Luke was the mess he turned out to be. I adored Colton for following his dream, and I am sure producers were mighty upset by that. I took this season off my DVR. It's just not worth my time anymore. I wish Hannah all the best....but I say to her...be very careful in the future who you wish to trust going forward with the rest of your real life...meaning not just Jed, but the production team/ABC that led you into all this for ratings. Rant over
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 9, 2019 7:21:18 GMT
Once again, Hannah's tweets during the show were hilarious. (Putting this in the spoilers thread, because it's pretty clear she's pissed at Jed and rolling her eyes about Luke.) I'm surprised the show isn't trying to reign her in, but it's clear that at this point she doesn't give two [expletive]s, so maybe the figure why not. It's likely not hurting the ratings.
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Post by karna68 on Jul 9, 2019 11:34:15 GMT
What is Hannah's handle on Twitter?
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Post by karna68 on Jul 9, 2019 11:42:12 GMT
If you have the chance (it's looonng) give RS's podcast with Jed's ex a listen. She's a sweet girl and I really feel bad for her.
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Post by waywyrd on Jul 9, 2019 11:44:46 GMT
What is Hannah's handle on Twitter? She's actually pretty funny... |
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Post by nennie on Jul 9, 2019 12:16:34 GMT
My rant here: This show has now totally jumped that shark and I no longer find it enjoyable. I have watched since day one of this Bachelor/Bachelorette "franchise". Please don't tell me the producers of this mess of a season didn't know Jed had g/friend. I just don't buy it. Please don't tell me that they didn't know that Luke was the mess he turned out to be. I adored Colton for following his dream, and I am sure producers were mighty upset by that. I took this season off my DVR. It's just not worth my time anymore. I wish Hannah all the best....but I say to her...be very careful in the future who you wish to trust going forward with the rest of your real life...meaning not just Jed, but the production team/ABC that led you into all this for ratings. Rant over No longer a guilty pleasure for. I read the boards and that is about it. |
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 12, 2019 17:22:39 GMT
Even though this is out there for everyone to see this morning, I'm putting it in the spoilers thread in case some are avoiding all Bachelorette media posts so they don't see any spoilers at all. I just have to ask, though.... Why is The Bachelorette spoiling so much of the fantasy suites week? Are they trying to make all the Tyler fans stop watching by telling us that he and Hannah don't go into the fantasy suite? Or do they think this will make people tune in to see what really happens. I'm guessing that they still find a way to spend a lot of time together, whether in the fantasy suite or somewhere else, talking about important things in their relationship, but I just think it's strange to have this preview out there. Thoughts? people.com/tv/bachelorette-hannah-brown-doesnt-want-fantasy-suite-tyler-cameron/ |
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Jul 12, 2019 22:04:39 GMT
Even though this is out there fore everyone to see this morning, I'm putting it in the spoilers thread in case some are avoiding all Bachelorette media posts so they don't see any spoilers at all. I just have to ask, though.... Why is The Bachelorette spoiling so much of the fantasy suites week? Are they trying to make all the Tyler fans stop watching by telling us that he and Hannah don't go into the fantasy suite? Or do they think this will make people tune in to see what really happens. I'm guessing that they still find a way to spend a lot of time together, whether in the fantasy suite or somewhere else, talking about important things in their relationship, but I just think it's strange to have this preview out there. Thoughts? people.com/tv/bachelorette-hannah-brown-doesnt-want-fantasy-suite-tyler-cameron/ I think it's a fake out. Perhaps Hannah continues talking, saying "I don't want to go into the fantasy suite...with you UNLESS..." b/c she is concerned they only have the physical and not the emotional aspect in their relationship. |
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Post by indy1945 on Jul 13, 2019 13:50:09 GMT
I agree with Eastcoastmom that it's a fake out. They do this all the time and then you tune in and watch and it's really nothing.
Also just read a tweet from RS regarding the Men Tell All. Luke, Cam, Mike and John Paul Jones are in the hot seat and as expected, Luke is thoroughly bashed. He leaves the show and doesn't return. Also RS said that Hannah apologizes to America for keeping him on. I like Hannah and I agree, she kept him on way too long, I didn't like him, but I don't think she now should thrash him. I'm sure she does feel stupid after watching it all back and then to realize on top of that she picked a jerk for her F1. Oh well, on to the next series.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Jul 13, 2019 14:14:05 GMT
I agree with Eastcoastmom that it's a fake out. They do this all the time and then you tune in and watch and it's really nothing. Also just read a tweet from RS regarding the Men Tell All. Luke, Cam, Mike and John Paul Jones are in the hot seat and as expected, Luke is thoroughly bashed. He leaves the show and doesn't return. Also RS said that Hannah apologizes to America for keeping him on. I like Hannah and I agree, she kept him on way too long, I didn't like him, but I don't think she now should thrash him. I'm sure she does feel stupid after watching it all back and then to realize on top of that she picked a jerk for her F1. Oh well, on to the next series. I wonder why John Paul Jones is in the hot seat. I don't remember anything of note happening with him. Luke S would have been a better choice, but maybe he didn't come back for the MTA or wasn't willing. |
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Post by MissScarlet on Jul 13, 2019 18:44:02 GMT
John Paul Jones seemed to me to be a non entity this season. Other than his name, he wasn't even noticeable to me.
I agree that Hannah, as well as all the rest of them, should quit trashing Luke. They did it every episode all season to the point of viewers being sick of watching it, even if viewers were sick of him. It's over now. He didn't "win". Let it go. Quit bashing the guy. He's had enough. I'm glad he walks out. No one should have to stay & take that.
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Post by waywyrd on Jul 13, 2019 21:58:19 GMT
I saw RS tweet this afternoon that windmill sex guy was Peter. I thought for sure it was Tyler, but he swears it's Peter.
Wow.
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 13, 2019 22:50:23 GMT
I'm guessing they had JPJ in the hotseat because he's fun and popular with viewers and they figured he'd lighten things up in what sounds like an intense Men Tell All.
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 14, 2019 0:23:31 GMT
I agree with Eastcoastmom that it's a fake out. They do this all the time and then you tune in and watch and it's really nothing. Also just read a tweet from RS regarding the Men Tell All. Luke, Cam, Mike and John Paul Jones are in the hot seat and as expected, Luke is thoroughly bashed. He leaves the show and doesn't return. Also RS said that Hannah apologizes to America for keeping him on. I like Hannah and I agree, she kept him on way too long, I didn't like him, but I don't think she now should thrash him. I'm sure she does feel stupid after watching it all back and then to realize on top of that she picked a jerk for her F1. Oh well, on to the next series. Yeah. I agree that she shouldn't have trashed him. She would have looked much better if she'd kindly and compassionately expressed her mistakes and moved on without joining the bashing party. I think her ego is bruised after seeing what a fool she was, and she's trying to save face at his expense. She made a particularly brutal comment that "Luke isn’t smart enough to manipulate her, he’s just the embodiment of toxic masculinity and that’s who he is to his core." (Quoting Reality Steve's tweet.) That's uncalled for, and clearly not true, since he fooled her enough to keep him around all that time. (I get that she, for the most part, saw through his lies, but he still manipulated her in other ways.) She's clearly been reading comments about him and wants to pacify all of us who considered him toxic, but it's not a good look in my opinion. She's turning out to be kind of a mean girl when her back is against the wall. Like she kept telling Luke, she needs to own her mistakes. She felt feelings for him. She only knew her part of the story; and she made the best decisions she could given the info she had, her feelings, and her state of mind at the time. She was wrong. Own it and move on without totally squashing him in the process. |
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Post by MissScarlet on Jul 14, 2019 7:40:41 GMT
I agree with Eastcoastmom that it's a fake out. They do this all the time and then you tune in and watch and it's really nothing. Also just read a tweet from RS regarding the Men Tell All. Luke, Cam, Mike and John Paul Jones are in the hot seat and as expected, Luke is thoroughly bashed. He leaves the show and doesn't return. Also RS said that Hannah apologizes to America for keeping him on. I like Hannah and I agree, she kept him on way too long, I didn't like him, but I don't think she now should thrash him. I'm sure she does feel stupid after watching it all back and then to realize on top of that she picked a jerk for her F1. Oh well, on to the next series. Yeah. I agree that she shouldn't have trashed him. She would have looked much better if she'd kindly and compassionately expressed her mistakes and moved on without joining the bashing party. I think her ego is bruised after seeing what a fool she was, and she's trying to save face at his expense. She made a particularly brutal comment that "Luke isn’t smart enough to manipulate her, he’s just the embodiment of toxic masculinity and that’s who he is to his core." (Quoting Reality Steve's tweet.) That's uncalled for, and clearly not true, since he fooled her enough to keep him around all that time. (I get that she, for the most part, saw through his lies, but he still manipulated her in other ways.) She's clearly been reading comments about him and wants to pacify all of us who considered him toxic, but it's not a good look in my opinion. She's turning out to be kind of a mean girl when her back is against the wall. Like she kept telling Luke, she needs to own her mistakes. She felt feelings for him. She only knew her part of the story; and she made the best decisions she could given the info she had, her feelings, and her state of mind at the time. She was wrong. Own it and move on without totally squashing him in the process. I never thought I'd see the day that I'd be defending Luke or anyone like Luke. I don't find him attractive in either looks or actions. Even if I was younger, he's just not my type at all. But the pick on, pile on, bash & trash way he's been treated is just plain wrong. So he & Hannah see things differently and just aren't at all right for each other. She kept him there, hoping he was something he wasn't, just like he thought she was something she wasn't. That was her decision. No need to further beat up the guy because SHE was wrong. I guess I just can't stand people ganging up on anyone. I tend to feel sorry for the underdog. |
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 14, 2019 8:26:55 GMT
Yeah. I agree that she shouldn't have trashed him. She would have looked much better if she'd kindly and compassionately expressed her mistakes and moved on without joining the bashing party. I think her ego is bruised after seeing what a fool she was, and she's trying to save face at his expense. She made a particularly brutal comment that "Luke isn’t smart enough to manipulate her, he’s just the embodiment of toxic masculinity and that’s who he is to his core." (Quoting Reality Steve's tweet.) That's uncalled for, and clearly not true, since he fooled her enough to keep him around all that time. (I get that she, for the most part, saw through his lies, but he still manipulated her in other ways.) She's clearly been reading comments about him and wants to pacify all of us who considered him toxic, but it's not a good look in my opinion. She's turning out to be kind of a mean girl when her back is against the wall. Like she kept telling Luke, she needs to own her mistakes. She felt feelings for him. She only knew her part of the story; and she made the best decisions she could given the info she had, her feelings, and her state of mind at the time. She was wrong. Own it and move on without totally squashing him in the process. I never thought I'd see the day that I'd be defending Luke or anyone like Luke. I don't find him attractive in either looks or actions. Even if I was younger, he's just not my type at all. But the pick on, pile on, bash & trash way he's been treated is just plain wrong. So he & Hannah see things differently and just aren't at all right for each other. She kept him there, hoping he was something he wasn't, just like he thought she was something she wasn't. That was her decision. No need to further beat up the guy because SHE was wrong. I guess I just can't stand people ganging up on anyone. I tend to feel sorry for the underdog. Well put, MissScarlet! They both projected expectations onto each other that couldn't be met. |
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Jul 14, 2019 19:47:39 GMT
I saw RS tweet this afternoon that windmill sex guy was Peter. I thought for sure it was Tyler, but he swears it's Peter. Wow. I thought it was Jed! Lol |
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 14, 2019 21:37:18 GMT
I suspect she slept with more than one of them (which I have no judgment about), but maybe not.
Luke was the last date of the week, so if she did sleep with more than one, I'm not sure why she would have focused on Peter unless it was just because the windmill was novel.
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Post by karna68 on Jul 15, 2019 11:59:52 GMT
It doesn't bother me if she doesn't sleep with Tyler, that way he'll be untainted for when he's the bachelor  |
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Post by babbred on Jul 15, 2019 17:52:30 GMT
Yeah. I agree that she shouldn't have trashed him. She would have looked much better if she'd kindly and compassionately expressed her mistakes and moved on without joining the bashing party. I think her ego is bruised after seeing what a fool she was, and she's trying to save face at his expense. She made a particularly brutal comment that "Luke isn’t smart enough to manipulate her, he’s just the embodiment of toxic masculinity and that’s who he is to his core." (Quoting Reality Steve's tweet.) That's uncalled for, and clearly not true, since he fooled her enough to keep him around all that time. (I get that she, for the most part, saw through his lies, but he still manipulated her in other ways.) She's clearly been reading comments about him and wants to pacify all of us who considered him toxic, but it's not a good look in my opinion. She's turning out to be kind of a mean girl when her back is against the wall. Like she kept telling Luke, she needs to own her mistakes. She felt feelings for him. She only knew her part of the story; and she made the best decisions she could given the info she had, her feelings, and her state of mind at the time. She was wrong. Own it and move on without totally squashing him in the process. I never thought I'd see the day that I'd be defending Luke or anyone like Luke. I don't find him attractive in either looks or actions. Even if I was younger, he's just not my type at all. But the pick on, pile on, bash & trash way he's been treated is just plain wrong. So he & Hannah see things differently and just aren't at all right for each other. She kept him there, hoping he was something he wasn't, just like he thought she was something she wasn't. That was her decision. No need to further beat up the guy because SHE was wrong. I guess I just can't stand people ganging up on anyone. I tend to feel sorry for the underdog.
Thank you! It's like you read my mind! I was going to post this in the regular show thread, but since you put this here I'll say it here. I came from a family very similar to Luke's, so I totally understand Hannah's not wanting to marry the guy. But I'm sorry, she's the one who has dragged him along and forced him to go through this dog-and-pony show. Yes, he did come back after she eliminated him. (And yes, I believe they made her take him back.) That was just one week, though. You can't tell me that if she had tried to get rid him before or especially after that TPTB wouldn't have booted him off. And who knows? Maybe he wanted to leave but those same PTB filled his head with insinuations that she was really reluctant, maybe if you try again you'll have better luck, etc.
As for next week's total fiasco, I'm not even going to watch it. Really, how hard is it to say, "Luke, we have different philosophies of life. I just don't want to marry you. And this time I mean it!" Instead, it looks like we get a playground fight between two children. And about that whole "sex in the windmill" thing. I know in the show thread some people praised Hannah for it. Well, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I think it's tacky and tasteless. You don't like the guy. Fine. So why does the whole world need to know your bedroom business? And what did hurting Luke accomplish? Make Hannah feel good in the moment? From the mess she made in picking Jed as F1, it looks like she should have been working on her relationships with the other guys, not obsessing over Luke.
And yeah, the whole thing with the other men piling on Luke just does not make them look good. Even if Luke is a genuine villain (and I'm not convinced he is), then so what? Just ignore him! True villains enjoy the negative attention when they wind people up. Refuse to give them that satisfaction. The other men should have been concentrating on Hannah, not obsessing over Luke.
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I mostly agree with you 
Like the old saying goes, "Bad behavior on their part does not justify other bad behavior on your part." 
