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Post by MissGriss on Feb 4, 2020 22:35:59 GMT
Reality Steve posted some tweets from Sidney where she's saying that the fact that she was in some beauty pageants that were judged by a few adults rather than her peers and the fact that she participated in clubs to try to position herself to get scholarships and attempt to be accepted by her peers doesn't change the fact that she was bullied. Both can co-exist, and I can see her point.
The truth seems to be somewhere in between what the yearbook pictures show and what she said. Who knows what the reality was. But she's getting majorly bullied online now. She's re-posting some of the vile private messages she's getting, and they are truly horrid. What a mess! And there's really no way for her to win at this point with the Internet being the way it is.
I'm not a fan of the way she's behaved on the show, but I wouldn't wish this on anyone.
This season feels more complicated than most to me in that they've cast some women who have had major traumas and the show is exploiting their coping behaviors for the drama. I've been really hard on Victoria P, but I read a recap by Sharleen Joynt where one of her readers said that Victoria P's behavior is classic for the child of an addict who has learned some less than optimal coping mechanisms. I'm not excusing any of the behavior, but it does bring a different level of understanding for me.
This is probably nothing new. That's likely what they've been doing all along and I just haven't made that connection, but it makes me sad in addition to the constant drama being irritating.
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Post by Critical on Feb 13, 2020 0:17:53 GMT
RS still doesn't have the full ending, but he THINKS he's got it. So far, this is what he believes (but isn't 100% sure about):
Madison told Peter she was a virgin and may or may not have laid a Luke P-style ultimatum on him (ie. if he sleeps with any of the girls, she's gone)
Victoria and Hannah Ann tell Madison that they both slept with Peter on the overnights.
Madison self-eliminates before the final rose ceremony.
If he was planning on picking HA, we wouldn't see so much emotion from him in the previews and the stuff with his mom ('bring her home") wouldn't make any sense.
Today he posted pics of production in Alabama filming with Madison.
So, while he isn't positive, he thinks Peter wants Madison and let Hannah Ann go at the final rose ceremony.
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Post by waywyrd on Feb 13, 2020 0:39:52 GMT
That actually makes sense. And would give production plenty of the drama they love.
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 13, 2020 7:03:36 GMT
RS still doesn't have the full ending, but he THINKS he's got it. So far, this is what he believes (but isn't 100% sure about):
Madison told Peter she was a virgin and may or may not have laid a Luke P-style ultimatum on him (ie. if he sleeps with any of the girls, she's gone)
Victoria and Hannah Ann tell Madison that they both slept with Peter on the overnights.
Madison self-eliminates before the final rose ceremony.
If he was planning on picking HA, we wouldn't see so much emotion from him in the previews and the stuff with his mom ('bring her home") wouldn't make any sense.
Today he posted pics of production in Alabama filming with Madison.
So, while he isn't positive, he thinks Peter wants Madison and let Hannah Ann go at the final rose ceremony.
He also posted an audio clip today from a podcast where Robert Mills says that Madison tells Peter during her hometown date that she's a virgin and it would be hard for her if he had sex with other people (we don't know yet how she says it or if it's really an ultimatum or just letting him know how she feels), and he goes ahead and has sex on the fantasy dates anyway but doesn't tell her about it. Like Critical says, she finds out from Victoria and Hannah Ann, which is interesting, since the women don't usually see each other for a "girl chat" after the fantasy suites, so it seems to me that the producers put them together so that this conversation would happen. So there's not just the betrayal of Peter ignoring her feelings about having sex with the others but also the fact that she finds out from someone else. Sounds like it's going to be a sad situation all around.
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Post by Critical on Feb 13, 2020 7:12:29 GMT
Part of me agrees with Madison. If she tells him her "line" and he crosses it, I can't fault her for walking. OTOH, has she not watched this show?
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 13, 2020 8:09:33 GMT
Part of me agrees with Madison. If she tells him her "line" and he crosses it, I can't fault her for walking. OTOH, has she not watched this show? Exactly. If she knows it's something she wouldn't be able to get past, it's important to tell him so that he at least has a choice. But what's she doing trying to find a guy in this hyper-sexual environment if that's a deal-breaker. I suppose it's possible she just came on to have fun with an outside chance of falling in love and didn't expect things to get this serious.
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Post by karna68 on Feb 13, 2020 13:41:30 GMT
But if he really wants Madison that bad why does he have sex with the other 2? Typical man
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Post by MissScarlet on Feb 14, 2020 0:28:57 GMT
But if he really wants Madison that bad why does he have sex with the other 2? Typical man Yes!!!! That's exactly the way I feel too. This is something that's bothered me about this show & it's leads for a long time now. If the lead wants to have sex with multiple sex partners that's his/her business (providing they are also willing & aware what he's probably doing), but first off they should KEEP THEIR MOUTH SHUT about it. What ever happened to being discreet? What happens in the Fantasy Suite should stay in the Fantasy Suite. That's just basic manners & respect for both parties. Somehow it's turned into a bragging rights competition. This is just plain wrong and disrespectful and demeaning. This is one of the big things I had against trashy big mouthed Hannah from last season. The sex wasn't the problem. It was her bragging about it & throwing it in poor Luke's face, on national TV no less. If someone says my attitude is slut shaming, then I say: Well then, quit acting like a slut. Keep your personal business personal. When you broadcast it or throw it in others faces, then you've asked for the criticism you get, and you'd better be willing to face the consequences. This applies to Peter too. If this is what happened, then he did this to himself. He got exactly what he deserved. If Peter claims to be in love, enough to propose marriage to someone, then he should be keeping it in his pants with the others. Especially after they've gotten to the end days of the show, when he claims he's known for a while who he wants & is in love with. Whether or not she's a virgin is immaterial. If you love someone & want to marry them, you shouldn't be having sex with others. I'd kick him to the curb too, and I'm no virgin.
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 14, 2020 1:25:02 GMT
But if he really wants Madison that bad why does he have sex with the other 2? Typical man Yes!!!! That's exactly the way I feel too. This is something that's bothered me about this show & it's leads for a long time now. If the lead wants to have sex with multiple sex partners that's his/her business (providing they are also willing & aware what he's probably doing), but first off they should KEEP THEIR MOUTH SHUT about it. What ever happened to being discreet? What happens in the Fantasy Suite should stay in the Fantasy Suite. That's just basic manners & respect for both parties. Somehow it's turned into a bragging rights competition. This is just plain wrong and disrespectful and demeaning. This is one of the big things I had against trashy big mouthed Hannah from last season. The sex wasn't the problem. It was her bragging about it & throwing it in poor Luke's face, on national TV no less. If someone says my attitude is slut shaming, then I say: Well then, quit acting like a slut. Keep your personal business personal. When you broadcast it or throw it in others faces, then you've asked for the criticism you get, and you'd better be willing to face the consequences. This applies to Peter too. If this is what happened, then he did this to himself. He got exactly what he deserved. If Peter claims to be in love, enough to propose marriage to someone, then he should be keeping it in his pants with the others. Especially after they've gotten to the end days of the show, when he claims he's known for a while who he wants & is in love with. Whether or not she's a virgin is immaterial. If you love someone & want to marry them, you shouldn't be having sex with others. I'd kick him to the curb too, and I'm no virgin. and well said!!
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Feb 14, 2020 13:40:22 GMT
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 14, 2020 14:15:32 GMT
Reality Steve says it's a bunch of baloney! All of the pictures are taken from times that he was doing promotional stuff where she traveled with him as his "handler."
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Feb 14, 2020 14:47:07 GMT
Oh, ok. I thought I had read where Peter was seen with her on New Year's eve.
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 14, 2020 15:37:10 GMT
Oh, ok. I thought I had read where Peter was seen with her on New Year's eve. He was. It was a work thing. She accompanied him when he appeared on the network's New Year's Eve show as a promotional thing for The Bachelor. (As I recall, from the pictures I saw, his parents were there too, no?) According to Reality Steve, there are tons of similar pictures of her with Hannah and Colton and other leads as they do the rounds for interviews promoting the show before and while it's airing. Also, as he points out, the show would never go for it ending that way, because fans would have absolutely no investment in the relationship, since they don't know or care about the producer.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Feb 14, 2020 15:51:06 GMT
^ Ok, thanks!!
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Post by SummerSue on Feb 15, 2020 19:45:46 GMT
But if he really wants Madison that bad why does he have sex with the other 2? Typical man It seems that for the past number of years the Fantasy suites have become a place for the lead to sleep with the top 3. The contestants all know this and it's like it's expected now. When Trista had her season, she said she didn't sleep with anybody in the FS. The fact that Hannah bragged last season about sleeping with Peter 4x...well...to me that's just her being a tramp. Does she not have any tact or dignity? What happened to keeping your private life private? The Fantasy suites and what goes on in them should be kept private. None of these people should be bragging about those encounters...it irks me to no avail! But maybe they figure "hey, I have the opportunity, maybe I should just sleep with everybody!", kind of like what Bob Guinea did. Of course, the early days of the Bachelor/Bachelorette are something none of these contestants would even know about because they were all CHILDREN. Madison seems very mature for her age and I think she is the best match for Peter, i.e. they have the strongest connection. Hannah Ann seems a little phony to me and definitely not mature...she needs a few more years (5?). Kelsey is rather emotional and maybe he likes that but I don't see them together, even though I would probably wish her on him the most (since he is so wishy-washy). I definitely feel that Madison is A#1 in his book but I hate the fact that he disrespects her and just bangs the other chicks so If he's crying over her, he made his bed and now has to lie in it.
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 15, 2020 20:09:02 GMT
But if he really wants Madison that bad why does he have sex with the other 2? Typical man It seems that for the past number of years the Fantasy suites have become a place for the lead to sleep with the top 3. The contestants all know this and it's like it's expected now. When Trista had her season, she said she didn't sleep with anybody in the FS. The fact that Hannah bragged last season about sleeping with Peter 4x...well...to me that's just her being a tramp. Does she not have any tact or dignity? What happened to keeping your private life private? The Fantasy suites and what goes on in them should be kept private. None of these people should be bragging about those encounters...it irks me to no avail! But maybe they figure "hey, I have the opportunity, maybe I should just sleep with everybody!", kind of like what Bob Guinea did. Of course, the early days of the Bachelor/Bachelorette are something none of these contestants would even know about because they were all CHILDREN. Madison seems very mature for her age and I think she is the best match for Peter, i.e. they have the strongest connection. Hannah Ann seems a little phony to me and definitely not mature...she needs a few more years (5?). Kelsey is rather emotional and maybe he likes that but I don't see them together, even though I would probably wish her on him the most (since he is so wishy-washy). I definitely feel that Madison is A#1 in his book but I hate the fact that he disrespects her and just bangs the other chicks so If he's crying over her, he made his bed and now has to lie in it. If he's disrespectful now, that won't change. She'd be a fool to have anything to do with him imho.
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Post by Critical on Feb 16, 2020 0:25:51 GMT
But if he really wants Madison that bad why does he have sex with the other 2? Typical man It seems that for the past number of years the Fantasy suites have become a place for the lead to sleep with the top 3. The contestants all know this and it's like it's expected now. When Trista had her season, she said she didn't sleep with anybody in the FS. The fact that Hannah bragged last season about sleeping with Peter 4x...well...to me that's just her being a tramp. Does she not have any tact or dignity? What happened to keeping your private life private? The Fantasy suites and what goes on in them should be kept private. None of these people should be bragging about those encounters...it irks me to no avail! But maybe they figure "hey, I have the opportunity, maybe I should just sleep with everybody!", kind of like what Bob Guinea did. Of course, the early days of the Bachelor/Bachelorette are something none of these contestants would even know about because they were all CHILDREN. Madison seems very mature for her age and I think she is the best match for Peter, i.e. they have the strongest connection. Hannah Ann seems a little phony to me and definitely not mature...she needs a few more years (5?). Kelsey is rather emotional and maybe he likes that but I don't see them together, even though I would probably wish her on him the most (since he is so wishy-washy). I definitely feel that Madison is A#1 in his book but I hate the fact that he disrespects her and just bangs the other chicks so If he's crying over her, he made his bed and now has to lie in it. That's how it's ALWAYS been. This isn't a recent change - it's status quo. It's also not new for the Bach to sleep with women outside of the overnights. Yeah, Nick (and other recent Bachelors) did it, but so did Bob (he reportedly slept with five of the women on his season). Sean was the outlier in this franchise....oh, and Byron, who didn't sleep with Tanya on the overnights back when they only had two overnight dates.
Really though, these are grown adults who are comfortable with their sexuality. If everyone is consenting and practicing safe sex, then I'm not judging. Maybe I take issue with their taste in partners, but grown adults in 2020 should not have to apologize for having a libido. It's not 1952.
Yeah, Peter may have blown it with Madison, but if he's Mr. Sex, maybe she isn't the right match for him to begin with I can't fault him for wanting to make sure the sexual chemistry is there before potentially proposing. Just because you have a spark and attraction, that doesn't mean it's going to be there in the bedroom (source: personal experience). Someone can tick all the boxes but, if the physical component isn't there, the rest of it doesn't matter, IMO.
Madison is free to hold herself to whatever standards she likes, but she's incredibly naive if she went on this show expecting the same from Peter.
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 16, 2020 5:39:04 GMT
I agree with both opinions on this for different reasons. I agree that people should be free to engage in consensual sex. And I agree that it's important to know if you're sexually compatible. On the other hand, I think it's fair for Madison to say that it's going to be hard for her if Peter has sex with other people and to leave when that happens. The only person who is stupid is Peter for thinking that he can have his cake and eat it too. (But if rumors are correct about Madison agreeing to get back together with him in some form, it seems he might have been right, so maybe he's not so dumb after all. )
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 16, 2020 7:10:56 GMT
I agree with both opinions on this for different reasons. I agree that people should be free to engage in consensual sex. And I agree that it's important to know if you're sexually compatible. On the other hand, I think it's fair for Madison to say that it's going to be hard for her if Peter has sex with other people and to leave when that happens. The only person who is stupid is Peter for thinking that he can have his cake and eat it too. (But if rumors are correct about Madison agreeing to get back together with him in some form, it seems he might have been right, so maybe he's not so dumb after all. ) Maybe he's not, and she is..lol
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 16, 2020 9:01:26 GMT
I agree with both opinions on this for different reasons. I agree that people should be free to engage in consensual sex. And I agree that it's important to know if you're sexually compatible. On the other hand, I think it's fair for Madison to say that it's going to be hard for her if Peter has sex with other people and to leave when that happens. The only person who is stupid is Peter for thinking that he can have his cake and eat it too. (But if rumors are correct about Madison agreeing to get back together with him in some form, it seems he might have been right, so maybe he's not so dumb after all. ) Maybe he's not, and she is..lol If they're together, she's at the very least foolish. They clearly have very different values, and I don't see it working for them. This may be where her age is showing. Maybe she hasn't lived long enough to learn the wisdom of the phrase: "When someone [shows] you who they are, believe them."
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Feb 16, 2020 14:36:10 GMT
It seems that for the past number of years the Fantasy suites have become a place for the lead to sleep with the top 3. The contestants all know this and it's like it's expected now. When Trista had her season, she said she didn't sleep with anybody in the FS. The fact that Hannah bragged last season about sleeping with Peter 4x...well...to me that's just her being a tramp. Does she not have any tact or dignity? What happened to keeping your private life private? The Fantasy suites and what goes on in them should be kept private. None of these people should be bragging about those encounters...it irks me to no avail! But maybe they figure "hey, I have the opportunity, maybe I should just sleep with everybody!", kind of like what Bob Guinea did. Of course, the early days of the Bachelor/Bachelorette are something none of these contestants would even know about because they were all CHILDREN. Madison seems very mature for her age and I think she is the best match for Peter, i.e. they have the strongest connection. Hannah Ann seems a little phony to me and definitely not mature...she needs a few more years (5?). Kelsey is rather emotional and maybe he likes that but I don't see them together, even though I would probably wish her on him the most (since he is so wishy-washy). I definitely feel that Madison is A#1 in his book but I hate the fact that he disrespects her and just bangs the other chicks so If he's crying over her, he made his bed and now has to lie in it. If he's disrespectful now, that won't change. She'd be a fool to have anything to do with him imho. Very good points, and I agree with you.
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 16, 2020 17:30:24 GMT
Maybe he's not, and she is..lol If they're together, she's at the very least foolish. They clearly have very different values, and I don't see it working for them. This may be where her age is showing. Maybe she hasn't lived long enough to learn the wisdom of the phrase: "When someone [shows] you who they are, believe them." Maybe. I don't think it will work out, whomever he chooses. I still think he's a goober. . They do have very different values, you have that right.
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Post by julief on Feb 16, 2020 19:36:32 GMT
I am a person with very similar values and personality as Madison. If he had simply slept with Hannah Ann, that's one thing. I could perhaps excuse or rationalize to myself----well, she's so pretty, etc. However, his sleeping with someone of the (lack of) caliber of Victoria Fuller would make me not want to have anything further to do with him. I would seriously question his morality, values, and intelligence. There's a big difference between sleeping with one of them and sleeping with both, imo.
I would have advised Madison not to go on this show to begin with. It's hypersexualized, esp. in recent years.
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 18, 2020 3:09:41 GMT
What a jerk Peter is telling Hannah Ann that he's falling in love with her after promising her father that he wouldn't say it unless he essentially knew she was the one. And then to ask her to tell him again and again that she is IN LOVE with him when he wasn't saying it back. He comes right out and says that he needs validation, and boy does he! UGH!!!
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Post by karna68 on Feb 18, 2020 12:54:35 GMT
It seems that for the past number of years the Fantasy suites have become a place for the lead to sleep with the top 3. The contestants all know this and it's like it's expected now. When Trista had her season, she said she didn't sleep with anybody in the FS. The fact that Hannah bragged last season about sleeping with Peter 4x...well...to me that's just her being a tramp. Does she not have any tact or dignity? What happened to keeping your private life private? The Fantasy suites and what goes on in them should be kept private. None of these people should be bragging about those encounters...it irks me to no avail! But maybe they figure "hey, I have the opportunity, maybe I should just sleep with everybody!", kind of like what Bob Guinea did. Of course, the early days of the Bachelor/Bachelorette are something none of these contestants would even know about because they were all CHILDREN. Madison seems very mature for her age and I think she is the best match for Peter, i.e. they have the strongest connection. Hannah Ann seems a little phony to me and definitely not mature...she needs a few more years (5?). Kelsey is rather emotional and maybe he likes that but I don't see them together, even though I would probably wish her on him the most (since he is so wishy-washy). I definitely feel that Madison is A#1 in his book but I hate the fact that he disrespects her and just bangs the other chicks so If he's crying over her, he made his bed and now has to lie in it. That's how it's ALWAYS been. This isn't a recent change - it's status quo. It's also not new for the Bach to sleep with women outside of the overnights. Yeah, Nick (and other recent Bachelors) did it, but so did Bob (he reportedly slept with five of the women on his season). Sean was the outlier in this franchise....oh, and Byron, who didn't sleep with Tanya on the overnights back when they only had two overnight dates.
Really though, these are grown adults who are comfortable with their sexuality. If everyone is consenting and practicing safe sex, then I'm not judging. Maybe I take issue with their taste in partners, but grown adults in 2020 should not have to apologize for having a libido. It's not 1952.
Yeah, Peter may have blown it with Madison, but if he's Mr. Sex, maybe she isn't the right match for him to begin with I can't fault him for wanting to make sure the sexual chemistry is there before potentially proposing. Just because you have a spark and attraction, that doesn't mean it's going to be there in the bedroom (source: personal experience). Someone can tick all the boxes but, if the physical component isn't there, the rest of it doesn't matter, IMO. Madison is free to hold herself to whatever standards she likes, but she's incredibly naive if she went on this show expecting the same from Peter.
I agree with the bolded but my point was that I believe Peter knew Madison was the one before the Fantasy Suites, so why sleep with Hannah and Victoria? Especially Victoria, wow.. I'll admit I really hadn't watched until last night but I couldn't believe he kept Victoria, too much drama with that girl!
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 21, 2020 15:19:05 GMT
Reality Steve just posted that Victoria is in LA for the Women Tell All, which indicates there likely is a rose ceremony at the end of next week's episode, and she finally goes home. (But not before making sure that Madi knows Peter slept with someone else.)
It's so bogus that the producers had the women stay together during fantasy suites--for the first time ever--in order to make sure that conversation would take place.
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 21, 2020 17:25:34 GMT
Reality Steve just posted that Victoria is in LA for the Women Tell All, which indicates there likely is a rose ceremony at the end of next week's episode, and she finally goes home. (But not before making sure that Madi knows Peter slept with someone else.) It's so bogus that the producers had the women stay together during fantasy suites--for the first time ever--in order to make sure that conversation would take place.The big question is, does wishy washy guy, want to DWTS?
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 21, 2020 18:43:57 GMT
Reality Steve just posted that Victoria is in LA for the Women Tell All, which indicates there likely is a rose ceremony at the end of next week's episode, and she finally goes home. (But not before making sure that Madi knows Peter slept with someone else.) It's so bogus that the producers had the women stay together during fantasy suites--for the first time ever--in order to make sure that conversation would take place.The big question is, does wishy washy guy, want to DWTS? He does love to dance! Seems to have taken a page from the Blake playbook when it comes to using dancing as a seduction move.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Mar 1, 2020 15:12:14 GMT
According to Reality Steve, Claire Crawley ( Juan Pablo's season), will be the next Bachelorette.
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Post by Arielflies on Mar 1, 2020 15:25:57 GMT
More talk about this in Bachelorette 15 Spoilers.
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