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Post by lonnie on May 20, 2019 17:18:04 GMT
I feel bad for the kids who were named after the crazy leader of dragons.
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Post by waywyrd on May 20, 2019 17:32:02 GMT
Pro tip: don't name your kids after TV characters. I saw Sam's water bottle, but didn't know Davos had one too. Sheesh.
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Post by Gutmutter on May 20, 2019 19:52:25 GMT
If the continuity person is so bad at their job, they should have a rule - no water or coffee on set unless it’s in an appropriate container. You can’t tell me they didn’t know they had water bottles beside them.
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Post by Critical on May 20, 2019 20:42:48 GMT
I assume they filmed the Dragon Pit scene in Croatia, so perhaps it was hot or maybe it was just LONG days (probably). Either way, they should have given the actors flasks or some other kind of container that looked "period" if caught on camera. With this episode, D&D have no one to blame but themselves, since they directed. Actually, with the coffee cup, they deserve some of the blame as well, since they were on set and in costume as Northmen right near Kit during the scene in question. I've seen fans complaining about the ending, but I guess unless it turns out exactly the way they want it to, then it's a disappointment I have no reason to believe that WASN'T GRRM's ending and he knows the characters better than anyone on earth, so I'm fine with it. Any issues i have are more to do with the pacing of this season than the plot. The only major issue I've had is the relatively "minor" deaths Cersei and Jaime got. I thought she, in particular, deserved..... more. Tyrion finding them in the finale and at least having them not just disappear was nice, but after Maggy's prophesy, I was hoping for more of an event for Cersei's death.
I DO hope GRRM finishes the books. I'd like to see how he intended it to all play out.
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Post by waywyrd on May 20, 2019 21:49:13 GMT
Yes! A flask or something that didn't look out of place would have been perfect. I wanted a bigger death for Cersei, too. Hell, Dany also. Jon just sorta slipped up there, tried one last time to talk her out of Crazytown, and stuck her with the dagger. How come Jon had to surrender his sword when going to see prisoner Tyrion, but nobody checked him when he went to Dany? Oops. I just wonder why they even brought up Jon's true parentage only to have it mean nothing in the end. And Arya spent all that time learning to use the Faces for...what? Just to kill old fart Frey? Meh.
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Post by Amy Lee on May 20, 2019 22:52:48 GMT
idn't come true). That shot of Dany framed with Drogon's wings? Perfect.
I loved that! He's hot now that he is older!
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Post by FireWoman on May 21, 2019 1:05:29 GMT
Yes! A flask or something that didn't look out of place would have been perfect. I wanted a bigger death for Cersei, too. Hell, Dany also. Jon just sorta slipped up there, tried one last time to talk her out of Crazytown, and stuck her with the dagger. How come Jon had to surrender his sword when going to see prisoner Tyrion, but nobody checked him when he went to Dany? Oops. I just wonder why they even brought up Jon's true parentage only to have it mean nothing in the end. And Arya spent all that time learning to use the Faces for...what? Just to kill old fart Frey? Meh. I don't know that it meant nothing.. it was the catalyst to her final dissent to madness. His knowing she was his aunt had some impact on his relationship with her. His parentage allowed for another option and triggered the behaviour of Varys and caused his death. It was what Sansa told Tyrion and planted more seeds of distrust for Dany with the Stark family, and it was one of the main points that lead to Tyrion's speech to Jon that caused him to make the hard choice. It may not have had the impact many wanted but like Dany's blood lust it was something that was shown to have small ripples to an even bigger end. I think it meant more to Jon in a reverse way, he was always a Stark, yes his mother was and so he was by birth just not the way he was always lead to believe. His true parentage was the essence of the whole story, if not for it things may have been very different indeed... maybe it meant nothing to Jon in the end but it meant a great deal in the beginning of things. I felt Dany's death was perfect, almost beautiful right up to where her dragon flew away with her.
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Post by Gutmutter on May 21, 2019 1:13:35 GMT
Also, his parents were married, so he was legitimate.
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Post by ccl on May 21, 2019 2:08:37 GMT
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Post by Critical on May 21, 2019 3:02:22 GMT
idn't come true). That shot of Dany framed with Drogon's wings? Perfect.
I loved that! He's hot now that he is older! Someone on Twitter described him as a snack. Puberty is a miraculous thing! Who would have thought that pasty little breastfeeding at EIGHT (ish) kid would have turned out like that?
FireWoman - totally agree with your entire post. I wouldn't have hated Jon on the throne, but he SO did NOT want it. While exile isn't ideal, he seems meant for that life more than one of a ruler.
What led to Ned's demise was his unwillingness to do anything that wasn't completely in line with his code of honor. If Jon had done that too, the whole world likely would have suffered under Dany's rule.
I read some speculation that one of the unnamed nobleman at the Dragon Pit meeting was Howland Reed, Meera and Jojen's father, who was with Ned at the Tower of Joy when Lyanna gave birth to Jon. He definitely has ties to multiple people at that meeting. Heck, if not for Meera and Jojen, Bran would have died several seasons ago! If that had happened, maybe the Night King would have won.
HBO still hasn't released Game Revealed video for the finale. They've been releasing them by Monday morning all season. I hope we get one this week!
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Post by FireWoman on May 21, 2019 3:43:37 GMT
I loved that! He's hot now that he is older! Someone on Twitter described him as a snack. Puberty is a miraculous thing! Who would have thought that pasty little breastfeeding at EIGHT (ish) kid would have turned out like that?
FireWoman - totally agree with your entire post. I wouldn't have hated Jon on the throne, but he SO did NOT want it. While exile isn't ideal, he seems meant for that life more than one of a ruler.
What led to Ned's demise was his unwillingness to do anything that wasn't completely in line with his code of honor. If Jon had done that too, the whole world likely would have suffered under Dany's rule.
I read some speculation that one of the unnamed nobleman at the Dragon Pit meeting was Howland Reed, Meera and Jojen's father, who was with Ned at the Tower of Joy when Lyanna gave birth to Jon. He definitely has ties to multiple people at that meeting. Heck, if not for Meera and Jojen, Bran would have died several seasons ago! If that had happened, maybe the Night King would have won.
HBO still hasn't released Game Revealed video for the finale. They've been releasing them by Monday morning all season. I hope we get one this week!
Seriously.. him.. Tormund.. WHAT is in that Westeros breast milk?!
I read it was (or could have been) Howland Reed too. My favorite newcommer was the "Fresh Prince" of Dorne.. he looked SOOO bored.
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Post by Critical on May 21, 2019 4:41:54 GMT
I love that his transformation is being called "a Longbottom" or "Longbottoming" because of Matthew Lewis' transformation from the first HP movie to the final one
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Post by lizard on May 21, 2019 11:51:54 GMT
I finally rewatched it. I was so aghast with most of it the first time. And he plunged his sword into his wife Nissa Nissa's heart (other people's Misa) to save the world. (The story of the savior) Emilia played the hell out of that. She is my queen. So Jon got the shit role of killing someone who did not have love and loved him greatly....really just a little girl.
I could improve my original rating. I guess any new watchers would start already knowing what the ending is. So they wouldn't have "hope." The scenery, music, and jokes are enough entertainment for the person not having anything to watch.
I use to encourage others to ignore the slicing stuff and watch because there was magic and hope going on. But NOOO
My HBONow is going to stay cancelled. I prefer "hope." GRRM is not going to give any of those prequel characters a good end. Game of Thrones had incongruity problems (no mad Targaryens in Fire and Blood history of the Targaryen book). I listened to the audio book twice. I would cringe here and there, but there were other characters to hope for with the big tree. The ending was ok. Because it did not end. It just stopped half way down the tree.
I blame GRRM for a crucially bad storyline not time. He has had all these years to think about the audience and GOT legacy. The savior plunges his sword into his wife Nissa Nissa's heart to save the world and end the long night. Well of all asshole things to do, that is pretty assholic. And history repeats itself. I cannot watch the prequel. GRRM can write the story he wants to write; and everyone can assess how they spend their time.
Prequel's Ending The Long Night--Nissa Nissa gets stabbed in the heart by the savior. Dismal
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Post by Critical on May 22, 2019 18:51:45 GMT
Trevor Noah, always telling it like it is
I read an article stating that the Dragon Pit scene was shot in Spain and not Croatia. Still hot though. I saw I pic of the three Stark sibs between takes and it’s hilarious. If I can find a less blurry pic, I’ll post it.
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Post by Critical on May 22, 2019 19:37:04 GMT
Okay, I found the pic. It was a picture of a monitor on set and it was on Sophie's IG. Hilarious.
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Post by lizard on May 23, 2019 12:19:15 GMT
I am one note Suzy.
George RR Martin needs to apologize and publish a rewrite for the last two episodes. That was totally his ending. We have mercy. If he apologizes and publishes an ending rewrite, we will watch the prequel and even buy another book.
His jerk empowerment ending of azora ahai shafting his wife in the heart can go the way of the giant's eyeball everyone lives in. Just another Old Nan story. D and D would appreciate that ownership.
Have mercy for your HBO legacy. Improving his legacy is the best thing he can do since he likes to talk about his upcoming prequels.
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Post by ccl on May 23, 2019 12:49:18 GMT
The only thing that GRRM has to apologize for is his failure to finish the books. He never promised a happy fairytale ending. He created a world of intrigue and fantastic characters so I think his legacy will do just fine. Imo, of course.
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Post by FireWoman on May 23, 2019 18:24:41 GMT
I am one note Suzy. George RR Martin needs to apologize and publish a rewrite for the last two episodes. That was totally his ending. We have mercy. If he apologizes and publishes an ending rewrite, we will watch the prequel and even buy another book. His jerk empowerment ending of azora ahai shafting his wife in the heart can go the way of the giant's eyeball everyone lives in. Just another Old Nan story. D and D would appreciate that ownership. Have mercy for your HBO legacy. Improving his legacy is the best thing he can do since he likes to talk about his upcoming prequels. If anyone needs to apologize for anything it is D&D, they were the ones that decided to abbreviate the season and THEY are the ones that wrote the episodes. If I recall correctly GRRM has not done any writing for about 4 years on the show. He may have outlined the ending as he foresees it in his books (and mind you he HAS stated that the books, once finished will not be exactly the same, some but not exact) D&D were the ones that wrote the episodes around the frame they were given and it then became their vision. That is my biggest gripe about this season, what THEY did to the story. Once viewed, all at once and together the season makes a bit more sense, not perfect sense as there is a lot of laziness going on from the whacked out time line, to old plot lies forgotten as if they didn't exist, to coffee cups and water bottles left on set.. but I can see what they wanted to get across. I did like the overall end, I am not alone but I know I am not in the majority either. I agree with the actors that came out and slammed the petitions and naysayers too. It is what it is at this point and it will not change, we have to accept that. I was thrilled with who live and ok with all that died if not how it all happened. Everyone knew it wasn't going to be a tidy happy ending, GRRM had complex, shades of grey characters and the ending reflected this. Jon was given his freedom, Dany was too in a way, Sansa got what she always wanted, Ghost got scritches, The Imp ended up where he belonged, Brienne attained the unimaginable, and Cersei got hers in the end. Overall more came out on top than I expected, and I am happy for that. To say this season needs to be remade or any of that is an insult to all the actors that DID give spectacular performances. To ask GRRM to apologize for any of that is a bit much. Frankly, and will all due respect, asking an author to apologize for any of their work is selfish on the part of viewer or reader. It is their vision and their ideas, if someone doesn't like or agree.. then don't watch, don't read. Who are we to tell someone who created THEIR work they are the ones in the wrong? If you don't like the Mona Lisa, don't look at it, don't say that da Vinci used the wrong colours.
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Post by lizard on May 24, 2019 4:28:23 GMT
George RR Martin has said that he is going to make an effort make a smooth Mona Lisa to smooth things over with the unsatisfied customer in a book.
Both season 8 and the prequel are advertised as swaps. "It wasn't what you think it was." Good is bad and bad is good.
Since it is something different, it obviously has a different fan base. That was my suggestion for getting the original fan base back on board for the upcoming prequels. --a big undertaking with the current "swaps" and bad ending experience. You are right. The don't watch option is good. GRRM has shown he is interested in the commercial aspects though where he cares about consumers who stop consuming his product.
Since the swap and a shaft to the heart was the end game, I can certainly appreciate that they did season 8 with less time.
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Post by Critical on May 26, 2019 4:21:30 GMT
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Post by waywyrd on May 26, 2019 13:20:16 GMT
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Post by Critical on May 26, 2019 19:28:44 GMT
The more I've thought about it, the more the ending makes sense. We started this whole story with the Starks. THEY were the focus and they were arguably the moral center of the . There's no family with so many MAIN characters in the story going into the final season. Plus, as GC said in that video, we see a good bit of the story from Bran's perspective. BTW, the cover of the new Entertainment Weekly is the four Stark "children" (they included Jon) with the headline, "The Kids Are Alright." As for Charles Dance, I love him, but don't agree with him. With a story this complex, there's no way to satisfy everyone. Still, if people thought the "winner" was going to be an obvious choice, they weren't paying attention. Heck, GRRM told us from the very beginning of the show that this would NOT end with a happy Tolkien ending. I guess if people want that, they can go watch LOTR Over the last week, I've begun to truly appreciate how the story was wrapped up. It all makes perfect sense. Maybe that's because I'd literally just binged the first seven seasons in the week leading up to the season 8 premiere. You see a lot that way that you maybe don't when you watch one episode a week over years. Still kind of bummed at how Cersei died. She deserved to be taken out by someone face-to-face (preferably Arya in someone else's face - Qyburn would have been great and he was already dead!). Tyrion finding her and Jaime and weeping over them took a little of the sting away, but still. I've also been thinking about what Jon Arryn kept saying before he died: "The seed is strong." That was in reference to the Baratheon children looking like Lannisters, but it was about how characteristics of the parents are passed on to the children. That's also true with personality traits like, oh......madness. I wonder if that was meant to be a little foreshadowing for other characters and not just a reference to the Baratheon children.
I thought this was a nicely written piece by Issac Hempstead-Wright:
This piece in the LA Time about how the show has impacted Northern Ireland was good too:
REALLY looking forward to the doc tonight!
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Post by Critical on May 27, 2019 9:23:07 GMT
They could make a spin-off series about a group of Stark bannermen/guards starring Andrew McClay and I'd watch the hell out of that! I've never been one for those specialty tours, but I'd totally go on a GOT bus tour if he was the guide. LOVED him. It was adorable how excited he was over his interactions with Kit and his enthusiasm for the show was infectious. I want one of those jackets!
I thoroughly enjoyed the special, but I wish there was more with the actors. I'm really disappointed they appear to have not made a Game Revealed video for the finale episode. I really liked those.
The next series they do needs to be ALL the footage of the table read with Kit's reactions, since he didn't read the scripts ahead of time. I'd watch the entire thing!
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Post by lizard on May 27, 2019 13:10:30 GMT
They all put so much of themselves and love into their projects. I totally want to see Andrew McClay and the others in their other endeavours. Andrew McClay needs the right agent and perhaps a second country as his home to do that.
Could this be the magic at last.......Barry Manilow will love that. I did.
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Post by momrek06 on May 27, 2019 16:05:30 GMT
WE LOVED IT!!! And once again WATCHED IT IN THE DARK!!! I got so emotional when JON (KH) found out he was killing Dany. KH was so emotional as he was reading and reading and figured out how the scene was to end. Awwwwwe. I loved seeing Dany get her hair on. I believe EC was on Jimmy Fallon or ELLEN and told one of them when she was asked " what did you keep from the show" and EC said (with a big smile) one of her wigs. Awwwwwe. I did love Andrew McClay and the doc highlighting him. What an amazing personality. GOT TOUR GUIDE!!!! I thought the "head of SNOW" was a riot. He loved that job. And he was so driven to make sure it was PERFECT. The lady and her hubby who were make-up artists were amazing. AND their little daughter was one of the children in the last scenes of GOT. AWESOME. Oh and who did not love the NIGHT KING.....he thought when asked they said "would you like to be a KING" he did not hear 'NIGHT' and replied "YES" .... then found out it was the NIGHT KING he was sooooo EXCITED. I loved when he got to their hotel in SPAIN how he had the FANS all EXCITED!!! I do wish there was more with the CAST. ALL IN ALL it was WONDERFUL!!!
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Post by waywyrd on May 27, 2019 23:20:55 GMT
The two hour special was fun. Kit's face when he found out his character was going to kill Dany and Sophie unable to stop crying after filming Theon's funeral - yeah, I was tearing up too. I love the behind the scenes makeup and set building stuff. Going to miss all these characters, but looking forward to seeing the actors in other things!
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Post by lizard on May 28, 2019 14:41:25 GMT
I was curious about George RR Martin's other works. I googled "Does George RR Martin's other books end in death?" I did not get an answer; but wikipedia listed his other works with their stories summarized. The stories were quite "fantastic" and award winning. I did not read all of the summaries. But from what I did read, yes the climax/end to his stories are all the main character death.
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Post by momrek06 on May 28, 2019 14:49:11 GMT
I was wondering why more at the TABLE READ were not stunned when Kit was reading aloud about Dany's demise.....well it appears that the entire CAST received their SCRIPTS 3 days before the table read.
Kit chose NOT to read anything at all. Hence, that is why it appeared that Sophie and Emilia were not as shocked and emotional as Kit.
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Post by waywyrd on May 28, 2019 18:56:44 GMT
Alas, there will never be an Arya spin-off, as much as some of us would love one: Game of Thrones spin-off for one major character ruled out by HBO
Guess we'll have to wait for The Long Night prequel and hope GRRM actually finishes the books. I've listened to Could It Be Magic about fifty times since watching Sunday's special. I'd forgotten what a fantastic song it is.
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Post by momrek06 on May 28, 2019 23:59:26 GMT
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