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Post by JosephD on Feb 18, 2019 15:29:36 GMT
Once a fan of the show Empire, I haven't watched it in several years because I simply lost interest when the show seemed to gradually become all about Cookie and less about anyone else. Cookie, to me, was the least interesting character.
The story I've heard is that the Chicago PD became suspicious because Jussie Smollett refuses to give them his cell phone. JS has said that he would consider handing over his phone if he and his attorney are present in the room at the time the forensics expert conducts their examination. According to him, the CPD refuses to allow that and he refuses to simply hand over his phone in blind trust.
He's explained that, as a celebrity, he has personal phone numbers of other celebrities as well as their personal email and residential addresses. He also has private pictures and other sensitive information on his phone that he doesn't want falling into the wrong hands. I think he has valid reason for not wanting to give them his phone.
There are a lot of unethical people in this world who would jump at an opportunity to plant evidence that wasn't there, or who wouldn't hesitate for one minute to make an easy chunk of change selling somebody's personal photos to a tabloid. The fact that the CPD does not want JS and his attorney to be present as they analyze his phone seems questionable to me. I don't blame him for 'refusing to cooperate,' as they say. Hell, I'm not even a celebrity and I wouldn't hand over my phone to just anyone without a warrant.
That said, I'm going to keep an open mind. We're hearing that at least one of the two people the police have questioned was once cast as an extra in an episode of Empire from a couple of seasons ago, and that there is allegedly some kind of recent connection between the suspects and JS. We haven't seen any evidence of that last part, but that's what we're hearing.
I want to believe JS, of course. He's a talented and well respected actor and musician. But then again, Brian Williams was a well respected journalist before his Vietnam fiasco, and so I'm trying to keep an open mind.
He's innocent until proven guilty. That's the position I'm going to take.
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Post by betty80 on Feb 18, 2019 15:36:35 GMT
I want to believe Jussie Smollet too. I think things are going to a grand jury now.
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 18, 2019 15:49:30 GMT
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Post by mika06 on Feb 18, 2019 16:55:15 GMT
Once a fan of the show Empire, I haven't watched it in several years because I simply lost interest when the show seemed to gradually become all about Cookie and less about anyone else. Cookie, to me, was the least interesting character. The story I've heard is that the Chicago PD became suspicious because Jussie Smollett refuses to give them his cell phone. JS has said that he would consider handing over his phone if he and his attorney are present in the room at the time the forensics expert conducts their examination. According to him, the CPD refuses to allow that and he refuses to simply hand over his phone in blind trust. He's explained that, as a celebrity, he has personal phone numbers of other celebrities as well as their personal email and residential addresses. He also has private pictures and other sensitive information on his phone that he doesn't want falling into the wrong hands. I think he has valid reason for not wanting to give them his phone. There are a lot of unethical people in this world who would jump at an opportunity to plant evidence that wasn't there, or who wouldn't hesitate for one minute to make an easy chunk of change selling somebody's personal photos to a tabloid. The fact that the CPD does not want JS and his attorney to be present as they analyze his phone seems questionable to me. I don't blame him for 'refusing to cooperate,' as they say. Hell, I'm not even a celebrity and I wouldn't hand over my phone to just anyone without a warrant.That said, I'm going to keep an open mind. We're hearing that at least one of the two people the police have questioned was once cast as an extra in an episode of Empire from a couple of seasons ago, and that there is allegedly some kind of recent connection between the suspects and JS. We haven't seen any evidence of that last part, but that's what we're hearing. I want to believe JS, of course. He's a talented and well respected actor and musician. But then again, Brian Williams was a well respected journalist before his Vietnam fiasco, and so I'm trying to keep an open mind. He's innocent until proven guilty. That's the position I'm going to take. This 1000 times. I've never been a conspiracy theorist but everyone online is like what does he have to hide just handover the phone and I would never hand my phone over to police without a warrant and lawyer present. Chicago PD is completely corrupt so especially to them they have planted evidence and deleted electronic evidence in many cases. I think I've watched way too many episodes of law and order though....
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 18, 2019 17:07:03 GMT
All interesting points. And because they are corrupt, as I must assume some of you here know to be a fact, then it seems unlikely to me that he would choose to orchestrate anything in their jurisdiction.
I don't like stories like these. No matter how they end, the stigma always remains.
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 18, 2019 17:37:14 GMT
CNN just reported he made it up, so okay, if that's the case, charge him! We had a young Muslim girl, tell everyone a white guy had chopped off her hair, oh the outrage, myself included. She made the whole thing up..
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Post by Imperfect1 on Feb 18, 2019 20:59:37 GMT
Ohhhhhhhh how I wish Jussie Smollett and the two guys he supposedly paid to attack him, would take a LIE DETECTOR TEST!!!! Then we would get some real evidence of who's telling the truth -- and who isn't.
No, lie detector's aren't used in courts, but they DO WORK a very high percentage of the time! And they would help the court of PUBLIC OPINION know what really happened.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 18, 2019 21:32:55 GMT
The more I hear about the Jussie Smollett story, the more I feel like the best thing we can do for it is to move on and quit digging into it. If he was actually attacked as he said, then it seems cruel to me that people have spent so much time speculating about whether or not it actually happened. If he was not actually attacked - I have to believe that there's either something very disturbed in him to have done such a thing, or he's overly desperate for attention to have done such a thing ... in either case, it is not good for him to stay too focused on it. The story makes me sad. It leaves me pretty empty if it really did happen ... and if it didn't, it makes me sad to know we live in a world where it was plausible to entertain that it DID happen ... and that someone would be motivated for any reason to make those claims. I can't really find the way that the world benefits at this point from keeping focused on it. So I'm choosing to look away moving forward ... or at least trying to.
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Post by Arielflies on Feb 18, 2019 21:37:13 GMT
I never watched Empire but I remember him from appearances on Live with Kelly and whoever. Kelly treated him like a son or someone close to her. Because of that I warmed up to him and hate seeing this take place. Hopefully the Grand Jury will find evidence one way or another.
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Post by momrek06 on Feb 19, 2019 0:39:15 GMT
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 19, 2019 0:42:51 GMT
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Post by lonnie on Feb 19, 2019 0:50:57 GMT
You know things aren't looking good when even Al Sharpton is starting to question it
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Post by betty80 on Feb 19, 2019 1:45:37 GMT
It's hard to keep up with everything in the Smollett case. I kind of hope it can the truth comes out soon. It's so messy and it's even messier because everything is coming out in the media. It looks like everyone will have some dirt on them after this is over, even the media.
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Post by momrek06 on Feb 20, 2019 15:59:31 GMT
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Post by Gutmutter on Feb 20, 2019 16:35:33 GMT
I’m getting worried about Whoopi Goldberg. She hasn’t been on The View for a while now. They said she had pneumonia.
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Post by Arielflies on Feb 20, 2019 17:03:49 GMT
She is due to be a presenter at the Oscars on Sunday. I hope she heals before then. Pneumonia in an older person is no joke.
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Post by mika06 on Feb 20, 2019 17:29:11 GMT
She is due to be a presenter at the Oscars on Sunday. I hope she heals before then. Pneumonia in an older person is no joke. She doesn't fly so if she doesn't head there by like tomorrow I doubt she will present unfortunately..
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 20, 2019 17:46:55 GMT
She needs time to shake this off, pneumonia is nothing to be messed with..get well Whoopi, you're definitely missed.!
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Post by acookertv on Feb 20, 2019 18:33:06 GMT
She is due to be a presenter at the Oscars on Sunday. I hope she heals before then. Pneumonia in an older person is no joke. She doesn't fly so if she doesn't head there by like tomorrow I doubt she will present unfortunately.. She's softened on her no flying stand in recent years. She tries to avoid it still when she can, but will fly for things that are worth it to her. She's flown to London a few times recently for projects. She was also supposed to fly from Detroit to DC in order to attend both Aretha Franklin and John McCain's funerals, but due to plane trouble she was not able to make it to DC.
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Post by mika06 on Feb 20, 2019 21:39:22 GMT
She doesn't fly so if she doesn't head there by like tomorrow I doubt she will present unfortunately.. She's softened on her no flying stand in recent years. She tries to avoid it still when she can, but will fly for things that are worth it to her. She's flown to London a few times recently for projects. She was also supposed to fly from Detroit to DC in order to attend both Aretha Franklin and John McCain's funerals, but due to plane trouble she was not able to make it to DC. That's good my Grandmother went to London from Jamaica when my mother was a young girl and never flew again for fears of fly. She just turned 80 still hasn't flown so I know it can be a hold back for some older people
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Post by betty80 on Feb 20, 2019 21:55:39 GMT
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Post by momrek06 on Feb 20, 2019 22:19:02 GMT
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 20, 2019 22:34:14 GMT
Well,obviously he needs some help, let's hope he gets it, before all of this finishes his career..
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Post by betty80 on Feb 20, 2019 23:08:23 GMT
Well,obviously he needs some help, let's hope he gets it, before all of this finishes his career.. I agree. If someone goes through all the trouble to set this up, they need help. If he is guilty, he should also pay the consequences, but he does need help.
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Post by betty80 on Feb 21, 2019 1:08:57 GMT
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Post by momrek06 on Feb 21, 2019 1:21:37 GMT
Oh no.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Feb 21, 2019 3:31:29 GMT
It's hard to keep up with everything in the Smollett case. I kind of hope it can the truth comes out soon. It's so messy and it's even messier because everything is coming out in the media. It looks like everyone will have some dirt on them after this is over, even the media. Wow!!! Jussie Smollett has been charged with filing a false police report! "Smollett is charged with disorderly conduct for falsely reporting an attack on Jan. 29. The charge is a Class 4 felony that carries a possible prison sentence of 1-3 years, but he could also receive probation." news.yahoo.com/latest-fox-says-smollet-pro-set-role-not-174435896.html
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Post by Amy Lee on Feb 21, 2019 5:02:47 GMT
I'm aghast at this entire thing, all the leaks from the police dept. to the press, and ultimately how it unfolded.
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Post by betty80 on Feb 21, 2019 14:11:21 GMT
Does anyone know anything about psychology? I kind of wonder what would make someone fake a crime. Did he really think he wouldn't be caught? He was willing to risk his life and career for this. I don't get it.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 21, 2019 14:38:12 GMT
Does anyone know anything about psychology? I kind of wonder what would make someone fake a crime. Did he really think he wouldn't be caught? He was willing to risk his life and career for this. I don't get it. I think that even with people who know about psychology, it would be difficult to delve into answers to those questions by simply observing the story from afar. If he did what he's accused of doing, it seems like there is certainly something wrong. What that is ... who knows. It could be anything from narcissism to desperation. But I honestly would not trust the diagnosis of anyone who had not spent time caring for him.
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