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Post by AZChristian on Jan 30, 2023 16:07:13 GMT
Adultery is a class B misdemeanor in New York. The elements of the crime of adultery are 1) sexual intercourse with another person 2) when the other person has a living spouse. If you are legally married (even if you're separated), sexual intercourse with another person is a crime in New York. These two both lived in New York.
It's against the law. It's no more "okay" than, for example, shoplifting. Even if you have money to pay for what you are stealing. If you choose not to pay, that's a crime.
Most large corporations have a morals clause to discourage inappropriate sexual liaisons between employees. Breaking pretty much any law makes one eligible for firing under that clause.
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Post by Kao on Jan 30, 2023 16:38:53 GMT
All I'm going to say is people who have had the misfortune of working with/supervising people who are involved know why it's not a good idea, and why so many companies take a hard line against it. That's just accounting for single people; it's even worse when there's infidelity involved, not to mention the mess when the couple eventually breaks up. The only thing I can say in their favor is that both TJ and Amy are on equal footing so it's not a case of an underling fooling around with someone above their paygrade.
They might have been able to sell it as a love story (or had them moved to different time slots so no conflict) had the information about TJs other workplace affairs not become common knowledge. That's not ABC being mean...that's a liability problem just waiting to happen.
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Post by amber on Jan 30, 2023 16:59:58 GMT
I don't think of it as being a tough crowd, but it IS a realistic crowd who doesn't believe statements released by PR reps and stories in People magazine. As others have said, if you want to sleep with someone you aren't married to, get a freaking divorce. Simple. TJ has a history of cheating, as does, apparently, Amy. This feels like a case of "effed around and found out." Eventually, the relationship will end when one (or both) of them cheats. I think their former partners are doing what they need to do to maintain their dignity and keep their kids from having two parents acting like fools in public. That doesn't mean they're not upset about the situation. They just have more class than their soon-to-be former spouses. There's no way they were going to keep their jobs. Apparently, Robin Roberts, in particular, was furious over the situation. They were too much of a distraction to stay. They're simply experiencing consequences for their behavior. Sorry you think I am detached from reality, Critical, and that you don't find sources I may be looking at credible. I haven't seen anyone posting any of their sources while discussing this couple. I have heard references to rags, however, and I don't read those because the vast majority of the time they're bologna. From what I understand Amy was not living with Shue and TJ was not living with his attorney wife at the time they started their romance. And Amy's daughters babysat TJ's child and on and on - they were all close and fully aware that their parents were no longer living together and that they'd started building this new relationship. Shue's son is a grown man with his own issues. ABC screwed this up. They did not break any rules. They are merely saying they shouldn't be on the air because that would be a distraction. I personally think it's mute what the public thinks as far as when they supposedly should have made their relationship known. As long as the families knew first. And they did. As for TJ's wife... she's an attorney... of course she's putting out a message that puts her as a saint and him as a villain - that's how this works. Amy and TJ are all snuggly in current photos. There is no way on earth that Amy would purposefully be hurting her daughters. I 100% believe that she has their buy-in and had it right from the get-go. Maybe Shue wasn't a good step-dad to them. How can we know? Not going to speculate any further, but Amy isn't a cold B. I get it, Cuddles. Narcissists need love, too.
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Post by nennie on Jan 30, 2023 17:13:07 GMT
Having an affair no matter what your status in life is is damaging to all involved. It may be the greatest love story of all time but the damage done getting to that point is wrong on all levels. I don't find either one of them upstanding in their behavior. This story is what it is and there is no amount of trying to justify it that makes it good. It has been slathered all over every media outlet for months.
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Post by Kao on Jan 30, 2023 17:28:40 GMT
The only case I can think of that is somewhat similar would be Bob Sirott and his now-wife Marianne Murciano. They met and fell in love while they were both news anchors on the "Fox Thing in the Morning" Chicago news show and had amazing chemistry; I quite enjoyed watching the two. I don't think infidelity was a factor, but when the cat was out of the bag WFLD was basically like "Hooray for love but one of you has to go" and moved Marianne to another time slot. I honestly think if these two hadn't been as shameless with their pap antics and the other workplace affairs GMA and ABC would have quietly switched one of them to another show.
The thing that gets me is both TJs wife and daughter have said in print that their pap walks and utter lack of shame is upsetting...yet THEY KEEP DOING IT. I don't know, some people are okay with/don't mind cheating as long as they get what they want and I say "You do you" but don't humiliate your ex-partners and children (people you claimed to love at one point) in the process. Their actions tells me everything about the two of them I need to know.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Jan 30, 2023 18:48:26 GMT
TJ and Amy may have not been living together with their spouses, but that sure doesn't equate with divorce.. . they were still married. I was always brought up that you don't date while you're married. Period.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Jan 30, 2023 18:53:39 GMT
The only case I can think of that is somewhat similar would be Bob Sirott and his now-wife Marianne Murciano. They met and fell in love while they were both news anchors on the "Fox Thing in the Morning" Chicago news show and had amazing chemistry; I quite enjoyed watching the two. I don't think infidelity was a factor, but when the cat was out of the bag WFLD was basically like "Hooray for love but one of you have to go" and moved Marianne to another time slot. I honestly think if these two hadn't been as shameless with their pap antics and the other workplace affairs GMA and ABC would have quietly switched one of them to another show. The thing that gets me is both TJs wife and daughter have said in print that their pap walks and utter lack of shame is upsetting...yet THEY KEEP DOING IT. I don't know, some people are okay with/don't mind cheating as long as they get what they want and I say "You do you" but don't humiliate your ex-partners and children (people you claimed to love at one point) in the process. Their actions tells me everything about the two of them I need to know. Exactly. Neither of them have been discreet whatsoever. They're shown all over the place together flaunting their affection. She's really faced tough scrutiny on Twitter, as well..so the comments about them are everywhere.
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Post by libgirl2 on Jan 30, 2023 19:33:27 GMT
TJ and Amy may have not been living together with their spouses, but that sure doesn't equate with divorce.. . they were still married. I was always brought up that you don't date while you're married. Period. I did date while we were waiting for the divorce to go thru (getting a court date etc). We were not living together and I already had my new place. He cheated before he mentioned divorce. Two days after he moved out, he was taking the new woman out to meet family.
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Post by Cuddles on Jan 30, 2023 20:26:51 GMT
Sorry you think I am detached from reality, Critical, and that you don't find sources I may be looking at credible. I haven't seen anyone posting any of their sources while discussing this couple. I have heard references to rags, however, and I don't read those because the vast majority of the time they're bologna. From what I understand Amy was not living with Shue and TJ was not living with his attorney wife at the time they started their romance. And Amy's daughters babysat TJ's child and on and on - they were all close and fully aware that their parents were no longer living together and that they'd started building this new relationship. Shue's son is a grown man with his own issues. ABC screwed this up. They did not break any rules. They are merely saying they shouldn't be on the air because that would be a distraction. I personally think it's mute what the public thinks as far as when they supposedly should have made their relationship known. As long as the families knew first. And they did. As for TJ's wife... she's an attorney... of course she's putting out a message that puts her as a saint and him as a villain - that's how this works. Amy and TJ are all snuggly in current photos. There is no way on earth that Amy would purposefully be hurting her daughters. I 100% believe that she has their buy-in and had it right from the get-go. Maybe Shue wasn't a good step-dad to them. How can we know? Not going to speculate any further, but Amy isn't a cold B. I get it, Cuddles. Narcissists need love, too. The only narcissist I know cheated on his pregnant wife with a hooker.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Jan 30, 2023 21:28:14 GMT
Who is that?
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Post by amber on Jan 30, 2023 21:48:36 GMT
Must be Harry.
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Post by MissGriss on Jan 30, 2023 23:08:25 GMT
I don't have a horse in any of these races, but I'm not liking the direction this is taking, amber. It seems like you're just baiting Cuddles now, and that doesn't seem in keeping with the spirit of this site.
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Post by Kao on Jan 31, 2023 1:39:02 GMT
TJ and Amy may have not been living together with their spouses, but that sure doesn't equate with divorce.. . they were still married. I was always brought up that you don't date while you're married. Period. I did date while we were waiting for the divorce to go thru (getting a court date etc). We were not living together and I already had my new place. He cheated before he mentioned divorce. Two days after he moved out, he was taking the new woman out to meet family. That's just grimy. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I had a friend who was trying to divorce her husband and he dodged the servers for two years. He didn't want to get back together, he just spitefully wanted to block her ability to move on while he did whatever. I think in some cases it's unreasonable to ask someone not to date while they are separated but personally I would proceed with caution since there have been occasions where there's a separation, people start dating and get involved with someone else only to eventually go back to their husband/wife (and therefore screwing over the innocent party).
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Post by amber on Jan 31, 2023 3:32:40 GMT
I don't have a horse in any of these races, but I'm not liking the direction this is taking, amber . It seems like you're just baiting Cuddles now, and that doesn't seem in keeping with the spirit of this site. No, no, no, no. I am very sorry you are drawing this conclusion, Miss Griss. I have a very dry sense of humor, and what you are suggesting is not at all where I am coming from. I am not baiting or directing anyone. What I am saying is TJ and Amy are narcissists. Who does what they are doing? There is no other explanation for their inappropriate behaviors. That's it.
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Post by MissGriss on Jan 31, 2023 4:03:04 GMT
I don't have a horse in any of these races, but I'm not liking the direction this is taking, amber . It seems like you're just baiting Cuddles now, and that doesn't seem in keeping with the spirit of this site. No, no, no, no. I am very sorry you are drawing this conclusion, Miss Griss. I have a very dry sense of humor, and what you are suggesting is not at all where I am coming from. I am not baiting or directing anyone. What I am saying is TJ and Amy are narcissists. Who does what they are doing? There is no other explanation for their inappropriate behaviors. That's it. And the comment about it being Harry who cheated on his pregnant wife with a hooker?
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Post by Kao on Jan 31, 2023 7:00:28 GMT
Yes! I still look him up from time to time. *Blush*. Lightening up the mood in here a bit I think you should totally shoot your shot beerbelly and ask him out for a beer. You know, to "catch up."
Nothing ventured, nothing gained!
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Post by beerbelly on Jan 31, 2023 14:02:56 GMT
If only he were single! He's married with two kids and lives in the 'burbs. We were both dating someone when we worked together, and we both married them. His marriage worked, and mine didn't. I doubt it would have worked out, but the crush was for real! And it was a fun, moony crush.
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Post by libgirl2 on Jan 31, 2023 15:51:43 GMT
I did date while we were waiting for the divorce to go thru (getting a court date etc). We were not living together and I already had my new place. He cheated before he mentioned divorce. Two days after he moved out, he was taking the new woman out to meet family. That's just grimy. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I had a friend who was trying to divorce her husband and he dodged the servers for two years. He didn't want to get back together, he just spitefully wanted to block her ability to move on while he did whatever. I think in some cases it's unreasonable to ask someone not to date while they are separated but personally I would proceed with caution since there have been occasions where there's a separation, people start dating and get involved with someone else only to eventually go back to their husband/wife (and therefore screwing over the innocent party).
At least my ex moved out right away and didn't linger. He also started paying child support before we even filed the court papers. He must have been planning it for awhile because he knew just how much he had to pay. He married the new woman about the time that I remarried. They divorced a year later. He is just not marriage material. By the time I met my husband, my divorce had been official for awhile.
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Post by Kao on Jan 31, 2023 16:18:46 GMT
If only he were single! He's married with two kids and lives in the 'burbs. We were both dating someone when we worked together, and we both married them. His marriage worked, and mine didn't. I doubt it would have worked out, but the crush was for real! And it was a fun, moony crush. Oh, man. I have one of those, and it sucks, lol. Sometimes it's a question of timing. And most of the time the fantasy you've built up in your head doesn't match the reality.
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Post by beerbelly on Jan 31, 2023 16:59:05 GMT
If only he were single! He's married with two kids and lives in the 'burbs. We were both dating someone when we worked together, and we both married them. His marriage worked, and mine didn't. I doubt it would have worked out, but the crush was for real! And it was a fun, moony crush. Oh, man. I have one of those, and it sucks, lol. Sometimes it's a question of timing. And most of the time the fantasy you've built up in your head doesn't match the reality. It was a total fantasy. Totally not for real life. But it was cute!
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Post by Kao on Feb 2, 2023 17:59:37 GMT
If I didn't think Giselle was Completely Done™ with Tom Brady, the proof was in her reply to his latest Insta post where he announced his retirement 2.0. She wrote "Wishing you only wonderful things in this new chapter of your life." The shade is marvelous; that is something that I would write on a card for a colleague who was leaving for another job or for someone I didn't really associate with. I hope she is living her best life right now because ugh at the people online who seem to think that it's a woman's job to deal with all sorts of mess and are legit mad at her for leaving him.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 2, 2023 19:00:28 GMT
He threw shade first with that photo of him with his first wife and their son.
Sticky situation!
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Feb 2, 2023 19:07:29 GMT
He threw shade first with that photo of him with his first wife and their son. Sticky situation! I have to admit I don't follow any of these people and their goings on, but did you mean Bridget Moynihan, Cuddles? They never married.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 2, 2023 19:25:51 GMT
Interesting. I knew she was referred to as his ex and they had a son. Call me old fashioned I thought that meant they had once been married!
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Feb 2, 2023 19:31:46 GMT
Interesting. I knew she was referred to as his ex and they had a son. Call me old fashioned I thought that meant they had once been married! I hear ya. I only knew this b/c I have watched Blue Bloods for years, and I always do a web search about the actors in the series that I watch. Here's a quote from People : people.com/sports/tom-brady-bridget-moynahan-relationship-timeline/
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Post by beerbelly on Feb 2, 2023 23:04:06 GMT
If I didn't think Giselle was Completely Done™ with Tom Brady, the proof was in her reply to his latest Insta post where he announced his retirement 2.0. She wrote "Wishing you only wonderful things in this new chapter of your life." The shade is marvelous; that is something that I would write on a card for a colleague who was leaving for another job or for someone I didn't really associate with. I hope she is living her best life right now because ugh at the people online who seem to think that it's a woman's job to deal with all sorts of mess and are legit mad at her for leaving him. OMG. I LOVE it! Wow. Perfection.
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Post by Kao on Feb 4, 2023 16:39:44 GMT
The fight over Lisa Marie's assets and will is starting to get really, really ugly. Money brings out the worst in people. Priscilla needs to respect the fact that Lisa wanted her children to have control over Graceland and her trust and stop...doing what she is doing because she's already estranged from her granddaughter and her actions are just making it worse, and her recent post invoking Elvis was manipulative as hell. Elvis has been dead for over 40 years, and they were divorced when he died. Priscilla is not entitled to any more money just because you used to be married and your daughter died. She wasn't close to you and didn't want you in charge. This reeks of entitlement, and stop making it obvious that you want money to go to your other son from the Elvis estate because it's transparent as hell. I hope Riley has a great support system because losing both your brother and mom in such a short period of time is terrible. www.etonline.com/inside-lisa-marie-presleys-strained-relationship-with-mom-priscilla-presley-198493
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Post by amber on Feb 5, 2023 0:21:23 GMT
I had no idea Lisa Marie continued to live such a troubled life. So sad.
Kao, as I recall, Elvis trusted Priscilla and she continued to be an important part of his life up to the very end. Thus, if Priscilla believes the newly discovered subsequent trust document dating back 7 years appears less than authentic because (1) she was never served of notice of said changes, (2) misspelled name(s) and (3) odd-looking signature(s), I wouldn't necessarily assume Priscilla up to no good ...
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Post by Kao on Feb 5, 2023 3:33:11 GMT
You make good points, but at the end of the day he left his estate to Lisa Marie, not Priscilla. Lisa and Priscilla have been estranged for years, and everyone close to her have stated that she wanted Riley and her son to have the assets to Graceland and her inheritance, not her mother. I'm not sure what's going on with the trust documents but this is looking really ugly, and considering how she was not on good terms with her brother (who isn't even related to Elvis) he shouldn't get one dime.
Everything might be aboveboard but I'm automatically suspicious of people whose default is "Where's the will" the instant someone dies. I mean, is Lisa Marie's body even cold yet?
One thing for sure, it's made me really start to research wills and power of attorney for myself and my partner because I have half siblings I grew up with that I've been NC with for decades who would undoubtedly pop up like tumbleweeds in the case of my demise demanding a cut.
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Post by amber on Feb 5, 2023 6:50:16 GMT
Other than when she was married to Michael Jackson and, at a later time, launching her own singing career, I never followed Lisa Marie. I am, however, old enough to remember Elvis and Priscilla's relationship.
I decided to read a bit of Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graceland) and a recent LATimes article (https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2023-01-14/lisa-marie-presley-graceland-financial-legacy-elvis).
(Note: Opening the LATimes article in incognito diminished the paywall.)
This is what I got: (1) After Elvis Presley's death in 1977, Vernon Presley served as executor of his estate. (2) Upon Vernon Presley's death in 1979, he chose Priscilla to serve as the estate executor for Elvis' only child, Lisa Marie (age 11 at the time). At this point, for a variety of reasons the estate wasn't worth anything, Priscilla took the initiative to turn Graceland into a moneymaker, turning the estate around. (3) 1989 Lisa received her inheritance at age 21. (4) In 2005, Lisa Marie Presley sold 85% of the business side of her father's estate, keeping the Graceland property itself, as well as the bulk of the possessions found therein. She also she turned over the management of Graceland to an entertainment company (along with a 99-year lease) that Priscilla is invested in (to what extent unclear), however in that exchange, Lisa Marie received 15% of the business. (5) Lisa Marie has always personally struggled with financial matters and, when she died, was 15 million dollars in debt.
Another LATimes article (https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2023-02-04/priscilla-presley-has-strong-case-in-dispute-over-control-of-lisa-marie-presley-estate) amends the factual timeline ...
(6) In 1993 Lisa Marie Presley had appointed her mother and Barry Siegel (her daughter’s former manager) as co-trustees of her trust that also included the children. (This means Lisa Marie herself extended the duration of the trust and there had to be a reason.) (7) Priscella said she discovered an amendment to Lisa Marie's will, dated March 11, 2016, that replaced them both as trustees upon her death. (8) Priscella petitioned the court to dismiss the amendment based upon the following: the amendment was never delivered to her while Lisa Marie was alive, as required in the original trust. In her petition, she noted the date of the document misspelled Priscilla’s name; that her signature looked inconsistent with her usual sign off; and it was neither witnessed nor notarized. Priscella's court petition also asserts no dispute by the surviving children.
From what I read ^^, Doesn't seem that what Priscilla is looking into has anything to do with the children's inheritance and, instead, has to do with some sort of fraud or attempted fraud committed against Lisa Marie? Time will tell.
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