Summer House

That "roast" was painful! What a terribly passive aggressive way to try to outdo all your housemates with anger and jealousy!

I agree with you. Paige has gotten a little too confident in that house! Her bond with Amanda has made her think that she's important, but she has lost sight of the sad fact that in Kyle an Amanda's relationship, they're not equals. So being bonded with Kyle is still of more value in the house.

I thought that the claims that Lindsay "lit in" to Jules in the car were an exaggeration. She was honest and blunt ... as she normally is. She was 100% correct to point out that Amanda started with Kyle as nothing but a late night hook up. There's a huge maturity gap between Lindsay and the clique. And Lindsay has got a level of confidence that is going to intimidate a lot of people. But she's been around the house longer, and has the bond with Kyle and Carl on a real level instead of a fun house level. She's always going to come out on top.

I think there is a big difference between Lindsay and Hannah and the other three girls. I think that Lindsay and Hannah can separate sex from love, hook ups from romance. That does not mean they don't want love and romance - but can separate the two depending on the guy. I think that Paige, Juels and Amanda all go into a casual hook up with hopes that it will turn into love (and for Amanda, it kind of did - although her relationship with Kyle is not exactly equal or enviable ... but it is heading to marriage). They're so close to Hannah that they don't understand she sees things differently than they do. But I do truly think that Hannah has her head on straight enough that in her hook up with Luke she was able to say that she'd wanted things to get physical with him for a while, knew that it was not going to be a great romance, but she could have the fun she wanted to. Lindsay gets it, because she'd do the same thing.

So to recap, after Hannah spends a summer flirting with Luke and having clear chemistry with him, with a level head knowing what she’s getting in to she hooks up with him and Paige and Amanda flipout. But when Jules becomes the fourth girl to hook up with Carl after a couple of nights of staying up late enough that there was no other girl around for him that’s cool? That’s expected? Those two tick me off!

The reunion was fascinating. Everyone sheltering in place added another level to the drama. I think I've decided Hannah is my favorite on the show now. I like her confidence, and I like the way she can argue with people, but move past it to enjoy being around everyone. I like that she can maintain close friendships with Paige and Hannah, but also really enjoy hanging out with Lindsay, and she doesn't get lost in grudges.

I'd love to see Hannah and Luke work out as a legitimate couple at some point. But I don't think that will happen until Luke grows up and can be what Hannah expects him to be. I do hope that Kyle and Amanda can continue to find reasons to postpone their wedding until they get to the point of realizing that what Amanda wants right now is a wedding, and not a marriage to Kyle.I used to think the problem with their relationship was that Kyle was too self centered. I realized watching this season as Amanda became more of her own person that the real problem is that BOTH of them are too selfish for their own good. In many ways, I think that Amanda may be even more self centered than Kyle.

I'm curious to see what happens with Carl next season. He seems to have experienced a real wake up call over the past six months. Part of me thinks it's an image saver, but part of me thinks it's sincere. I hope we get to find out!

And finally, I'm perfectly fine with Jules not coming back next year. Even with being a part of drama, I don't think she brought anything to the show. She feels too much of a need for people to like her, and it makes for boring TV!

I agree! The best part about distanced reunions may be the wide and varied ways people will prepare for them!

Jules seemed like she was trying to portray herself as a victim in order to have a place in the cast. It seemed like she had seen the girls flip out over how Hannah was treated, so she decided if she hooked up with Carl, they'd freak out about her too. She didn't seem to understand that EVERYONE including Carl knew it was a bad idea for any girl to hook up with Carl. She was also trying really hard last night to paint herself as a victim because everyone in the house didn't welcome her with open arms. She didn't' seem to understand the history and friendships that were well established long before she got there. She seemed to want to just come in and be a part of it all without making any effort to get to know everyone.

Looking back, maybe that's why Hannahs' first season seemed wasted like you said. She seemed boring and like she had nothing about her other than playing tennis all her life. But what she was doing was getting to know everyone. She was learning about them to find the way she could fit in. And it paid off - it made her a center of the show AND the producers went out and found a guy who played tennis for her!

Eh. Luke pretended to be interested in Hannah just to stay on the show.

Luke is a turd! Yes, Hannah has more feelings for him than she wanted to admit, and was dreaming too much that friendship would turn into romance. But him never telling her about Ciara is confirmation he was hedging his bets - if things didn’t pan out with Ciara he’d have her in reserve. Luke made things confusing by saying he lived her as far back as last seasons reunion. He played her and knew he was doing it. As annoyed as I get that Hannah fell for it, he was the bigger turd!

It also annoys me that Luke believes that Hannah is going to screw things up for him and Ciara. HE is sceewing that up by confirming to her that he’s a turd!

Lindsay is nuts and does not deserve a man if she gets mad that he won’t hang with her during the day. I get the being annoyed he works so late, and demands so many sandwiches. But she’s overboard with the time during the day. And I still want her with Carl. I think now that he’s cleaned himself up they’d be good together.

But his being in the house creates drama! I did think it was fascinating how quickly Ciara became one of the girls and a part of the house. After last weeks' fight, she did a great job sitting down with Luke to defend sharing notes with Hannah and explain to him again what he'd done wrong. Then it somewhat surprised me, but seemed normal as soon as I was over the surprise, that after this week's fight she went with the girls to console Hannah instead of listening to Luke. Luke should be smart enough to recognize that's a sign she's over him and Carl has a chance with her ... but it wont.

Lindsay works in PR, with event planning being a big part of what she does. So it makes sense that her job would not have been very time consuming last Summer.

This is the one show I watch religiously on Bravo.

I think she got caught up in fantasy land.  We hear fairy tales about men and women who are friends for a long time and then suddenly look at each other and realize they were in love - the When Harry Met Sally syndrome.  They were talking every day, and had messed around. I think that in Hannah's mind, she was the one that Luke was pouring his heart out to, so that would lead to him realizing she was the one.  I think it was Kyle who said that Luke was probably the hottest guy that had given Hannah attention. He's probably right, and that's going to mess with her mind.

Man, Lindsey, some people need to work. I know people who have had to work harder now because of the pandemic and he might be one of them. I doubt that he is in the beautiful house and CHOOSES to stay on a box (he doesn't even have a chair!) and look at a screen instead of in the hot tub or a pool. I can't believe she is getting mad at him for that.

I don't even think that Luke is playing games, I don't think he is that smart, he is just clueless about what he is doing.

I really like seeing how these people work (or don't work) and I finally see what an influencer does.

To me, that is being clueless!

Agree on the Stephen bit and in general she really hasn't put herself in his shoes at all. While I was watching, I asked my friend what his love language was and he texted back 'pandas'.

I really like that they're all living together in the house. It will add to the tension.