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Post by Imperfect1 on May 27, 2018 23:50:43 GMT
I think it's an outdated concept that the white man is an all powerful entity. Also, various women public figures are having sexual harassment accusations coming out against them as well. On a side note, there seems to be more female teachers sexually assaulting underage students these days than male teachers. Interesting. But I'll bet that's only true in high schools and middle schools. My guess is that at the college level there have been many more male professors having affairs with students than female professors. |
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Post by Critical on May 28, 2018 0:09:48 GMT
^^^^ There definitely were at the colleges I attended and worked at. At one of the schools I attended (I was also on staff) in SoCal, the staff and faculty was like a regular Peyton Place! I can think of at least 5 male prof/female student affairs just off the top of my head and it's been over twenty years!
Even if there is a built in inequality in the power dynamic and yes, some women are attracted to powerful men. This does not mean they want to be raped, assaulted or made to give up sex for advancement in their jobs.
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Post by lonnie on May 28, 2018 1:59:39 GMT
Having some type of sexual affair is worse when the student is underage, which they usually aren't in college. It seems like almost everyday that I hear about a female teacher being involved with an underage student. Some of the views towards that can definitely vary.. when it's a male teacher being involved with an underage student, some want the male behind bars for a real long time, like 25+ years. Though when it's reversed, some will say that the female teacher is "going through some stressors at home" and that "boys will be boys". It's disgusting to see some of the comments posted under news articles that say things such as "where was a teacher like that when I was in school". Male teachers tended to get a harsher sentence than female teachers in general, though it seems like it's evening out a little more now.
The problem with the accusations against well known figures is that some people will automatically believe he/she is guilty with no proof given at all. Or even with a lot of evidence, others will still say that there's no way he/she would so something like that. Weinstein is a disguting loser. Just like Allison Mack from Smallville, one of the leaders of the sex trafficking cult, is a disgusting loser. I just don't want to see it get to the point where saying hello to a person or saying they have a nice smile is labeled as sexual harassment. That's why I try to stay away from sites like huff post, cause they have some outrageous posts over there.
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Post by Imperfect1 on May 28, 2018 12:07:03 GMT
The problem with the accusations against well known figures is that some people will automatically believe he/she is guilty with no proof given at all. Or even with a lot of evidence, others will still say that there's no way he/she would so something like that. Weinstein is a disgusting loser. Just like Allison Mack from Smallville, one of the leaders of the sex trafficking cult, is a disgusting loser. I just don't want to see it get to the point where saying hello to a person or saying they have a nice smile is labeled as sexual harassment. That's why I try to stay away from sites like huff post, cause they have some outrageous posts over there. You've made some good points, lonnie. I worry about false accusations too, especially when there's been no 'legal' process against the accuser, showing them to be guilty -- and it's all accusations by word of mouth. Especially now that such swift action against accusers seems to be the 'norm' these days. But for me personally, I tend to believe the accusation more readily when more victims step up, after the first victim makes the accusation. To me, that adds a level of credibility --- but it's still not infallible because oftentimes multiple people have a grudge against someone, and would 'step up' and become an accuser, just to get revenge. But I don't think that's the norm. I think that most times, when there are multiple accusers, there's at least some truth to the allegations. And there's no perfect solution to this problem, because even if a trial has been held, oftentimes innocent people are found to be guilty -- even when they're not. So I don't know what the answer is. |
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Post by redsoxgirl on May 31, 2018 7:30:45 GMT
On the old FORT site I came forward to share my experience as a survivor of sexual assault(s) that nearly took my life, and a survivor of a broken system and the survivor of ignorant public scrutiny that was as traumatizing as the vicious attack and years of being stalked. With people more suspicious of me, rather than holding the attacker responsible. I was a teenager, for Gods sake. I was 19. I was from a working class background. He was older, rich and held a place of importance in the city was living in at the time. I might as well have run my skull into a brick wall repeatedly. It would have been less painful. Less traumatizing. Less soul crushing. Most of the time I wish to God I had never ever gone to the police. I wish I didn't get a restraining order. I wish I'd never told a soul. Because all of that only made existing worse. I will never heal completely physically from what happened and I will spend the rest of my life battling memories that are so horrific they are jumbles of shattered images and blank spots. Because when you go through something that horrific, your brain automatically blots out the worst of it. And you can find yourself thinking "The stuff I do remember leaves me shaking and voiceless, nauseous, panicky. My God, just how awful were the things I can't remember?" So, here are some facts: Brenda Tracy, an Oregon woman who frequently speaks about how her sexual assault case was mishandled in 1998, summed up in a tweet the frustration that many survivors express:Everyone wants to know "if you were raped why didn't you report it?" The real question is "Why WOULD you report it?" If you aren’t sure why Tracy would say the real question is “Why would you report it,” let’s recap what’s happened lately. A few examples from the DOJ report on Baltimore’s police department: Officers routinely questioned sex crime victims in a way that put the blame on the victims themselves, like suggesting they were responsible. Detectives would ask “Why are you messing up that guy’s life?” and suggest the victims were lying by not reporting the assault immediately.
A prosecutor handling a sexual assault case wrote in an email to a BPD officer that the woman who reported the crime was a “conniving little whore,” and the cop responded “Lmao! I feel the same.”
Detectives made “minimal to no effort to locate, identify, interrogate, or investigate suspects,” the DOJ said. BPD sex crimes unit officials would complain that all of the sexual assault reports were false, saying at a social event, “In homicide, there are real victims; all our cases are bullshit.”
The truth is that research funded by the Justice Department found that just 18 percent of rape reports lead to convictions. And for every 100 rapes, it’s estimated that only five will result in an assailant going to prison. Americans can rest assured that the majority of criminal reports of rape never lead to an arrest, let alone prosecution. And people wonder why so few women ever report their rape to police. www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rape-victims-report-police_us_57ad48c2e4b071840410b8d6The truth is that there are few incentives to coming forward with an allegation of sexual assault. It means having to recount a trauma over and over again, to people who may not even believe that what you say happened actually happened. It means facing the judgments of those closest to you, the judgments of the public. It means being picked apart, as people try to find just how “perfect” a victim you are. It may mean dealing with law enforcement officials and members of a jury who have been socialized to believe myths about rape.www.cosmopolitan.com/college/news/a30507/sexual-assault-misconceptions/False rape reports to the police account for between 2 and 8 percent of all reports — about the same as for other crimes (some felonies, like car thefts, have higher false reporting rates). Yes, some women lie about rape, justome people lie about being victims of nearly every other crime. But far more women never report at all — 60 percent of sexual assaults are never reported to the police.
So what's the point? Is it really worth the humiliation to report? No. |
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Post by Imperfect1 on May 31, 2018 11:44:09 GMT
On the old FORT site I came forward to share my experience as a survivor of sexual assault(s) that nearly took my life, and a survivor of a broken system and the survivor of ignorant public scrutiny that was as traumatizing as the vicious attack and years of being stalked. With people more suspicious of me, rather than holding the attacker responsible. I was a teenager, for Gods sake. I was 19. I was from a working class background. He was older, rich and held a place of importance in the city was living in at the time. I might as well have run my skull into a brick wall repeatedly. It would have been less painful. Less traumatizing. Less soul crushing. Most of the time I wish to God I had never ever gone to the police. I wish I didn't get a restraining order. I wish I'd never told a soul. Because all of that only made existing worse. I will never heal completely physically from what happened and I will spend the rest of my life battling memories that are so horrific they are jumbles of shattered images and blank spots. Because when you go through something that horrific, your brain automatically blots out the worst of it. And you can find yourself thinking "The stuff I do remember leaves me shaking and voiceless, nauseous, panicky. My God, just how awful were the things I can't remember?" So, here are some facts: Brenda Tracy, an Oregon woman who frequently speaks about how her sexual assault case was mishandled in 1998, summed up in a tweet the frustration that many survivors express:Everyone wants to know "if you were raped why didn't you report it?" The real question is "Why WOULD you report it?" If you aren’t sure why Tracy would say the real question is “Why would you report it,” let’s recap what’s happened lately. A few examples from the DOJ report on Baltimore’s police department: Officers routinely questioned sex crime victims in a way that put the blame on the victims themselves, like suggesting they were responsible. Detectives would ask “Why are you messing up that guy’s life?” and suggest the victims were lying by not reporting the assault immediately.
A prosecutor handling a sexual assault case wrote in an email to a BPD officer that the woman who reported the crime was a “conniving little whore,” and the cop responded “Lmao! I feel the same.”
Detectives made “minimal to no effort to locate, identify, interrogate, or investigate suspects,” the DOJ said. BPD sex crimes unit officials would complain that all of the sexual assault reports were false, saying at a social event, “In homicide, there are real victims; all our cases are bullshit.”
The truth is that research funded by the Justice Department found that just 18 percent of rape reports lead to convictions. And for every 100 rapes, it’s estimated that only five will result in an assailant going to prison. Americans can rest assured that the majority of criminal reports of rape never lead to an arrest, let alone prosecution. And people wonder why so few women ever report their rape to police. www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rape-victims-report-police_us_57ad48c2e4b071840410b8d6The truth is that there are few incentives to coming forward with an allegation of sexual assault. It means having to recount a trauma over and over again, to people who may not even believe that what you say happened actually happened. It means facing the judgments of those closest to you, the judgments of the public. It means being picked apart, as people try to find just how “perfect” a victim you are. It may mean dealing with law enforcement officials and members of a jury who have been socialized to believe myths about rape.www.cosmopolitan.com/college/news/a30507/sexual-assault-misconceptions/False rape reports to the police account for between 2 and 8 percent of all reports — about the same as for other crimes (some felonies, like car thefts, have higher false reporting rates). Yes, some women lie about rape, justome people lie about being victims of nearly every other crime. But far more women never report at all — 60 percent of sexual assaults are never reported to the police.
So what's the point? Is it really worth the humiliation to report? No. Heartbreaking and tragic, redsoxgirl.  So very, very sad. I hope you've had some loved ones in your life who have supported you through all of your trauma. And thank God for the recent increase of awareness and support for the victims of abuse. At least there's that. . . |
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Post by momrek06 on May 31, 2018 14:49:58 GMT
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Post by lonnie on Jun 22, 2018 16:15:19 GMT
It's looking more and more like the abuse claims were lies about Chris Hardwick, I'm not surprised.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 22, 2018 16:52:32 GMT
It's looking more and more like the abuse claims were lies about Chris Hardwick, I'm not surprised. Based on what? The most recent information I've seen has been that his wife spoke out supporting him, and Chloe Dykstra thanked people for their support. Have there been other developments? |
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Post by Amy Lee on Jun 22, 2018 18:19:55 GMT
It's looking more and more like the abuse claims were lies about Chris Hardwick, I'm not surprised. Based on what? The most recent information I've seen has been that his wife spoke out supporting him, and Chloe Dykstra thanked people for their support. Have there been other developments? Yeah...I can't find any new developments outside of what you just mentioned. Sent from my SAMSUNG-S7 using Tapatalk |
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jul 1, 2018 3:12:15 GMT
From Psychology today: It is amazing how many people shift the blame onto alleged victims, asking why they wait to disclose. In our culture it is the woman who is scrutinized, not the accussed. It is indeed very common for victims to delay disclosing their trauma, if they ever do. But since even highly educated people are continually baffled by why women don’t come forward, I offer some information based on the psychology of abuse and my forty-year experience working with victims of sexual abuse, sexual assault, and sexual harassment to help answer this question. www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-compassion-chronicles/201711/why-dont-victims-sexual-harassment-come-forward-sooner |
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Post by Critical on Jul 1, 2018 3:59:10 GMT
Based on what? The most recent information I've seen has been that his wife spoke out supporting him, and Chloe Dykstra thanked people for their support. Have there been other developments? Yeah...I can't find any new developments outside of what you just mentioned. Sent from my SAMSUNG-S7 using Tapatalk CH released screenshots a week or two ago of texts between him and CD that indicated that she cheated on him and that she wanted a second chance with him. Didn't really mesh with her narrative. Also, a number of his exes, including Jacinda Barrett, came forward and spoke in his defense. IIRC, the exes were women who'd been with him for many years (like 4-7 years), so not just women who'd dated him a few times. |
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jul 1, 2018 5:42:25 GMT
As has been written about in every link , victims are imperfect human beings and there isn't a 'typical' behavior or cut and dried response to a unhealthy relationship/abuse/rape/harassment. Women will stay with someone who is degrading them because they believe any number of things: they deserve it, they cause the behavior, they don't believe they have a say in how they are treated, they are victims of previous abuse, survivors of childhood sexual assault, powerless...It is not unusual for victims to take years and even decades, to speak about abuse/harassment/assault. It certainly doesn't mean they are lying or scheming or out for revenge. Which are the things they are accused of while the accused is given the benefit of the doubt, as well as sympathy. It's a pattern of public response that is as old as time.
How she behaved(she cheated therefore she is a liar or she begged him to take her back) can be used to assail her character-but doing something 'wrong' (cheating, flirting, getting drunk, sleeping with numerous men) does not mean abuse didn't occur. And that is why women fear coming forward-the JUDGEMENT falls on their behavior. It's a modern version of "what were you wearing' and 'how many people have you slept with?'
I don't know Chris Hardwick or Ms. Dykstra. Only that they are public personas. I certainly don't know anything about their relationship. Blind items are not fact. Rumors are dangerous. Chris Hardwick is a charming, affable guy who is 'nice.' But, lots of abusive people are charming, affable and nice. And we bestow on celebrities positive or negative qualities, without knowing the truth of who they really are in private. As to his wife defending him-that is natural. Exes coming forward is also irrelevant to the truth. Every murderer has a best friend, the Russian saying goes.
He could be a terrible person. Or she could be exaggerating or making things up. Or he was a older guy(in relation to her at the time) whose power dwarfed her sense of importance. There are plenty of ways to think about this. But, it's all speculation.
If anything, the way this is playing out is practically a case study of how these things work. Right down to saved texts (which need to be put into context rather than just assumed to be proof she is lying).
I don't have enough facts to come to a objective conclusion.
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Post by momrek06 on Jul 3, 2018 21:37:07 GMT
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jul 4, 2018 18:08:54 GMT
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Post by lonnie on Jul 7, 2018 21:16:07 GMT
- Raiders Gareon Conley sues woman who falsely accused him of rape
In 2017, Conley became one of the big stories of the NFL draft when he was accused of raping a woman weeks before the draft. The investigation was ongoing during the draft, and Conley — considered one of the top cornerback prospects in the class — fell in the draft amid the uncertainty. He also lost various endorsement opportunities.
The incident in question happened on April 9 last year in Cleveland. Conley met a woman and she accused him of having sex with her after she told him to stop. No charges were ever brought and Conley was cleared after a long investigation. In court documents for his lawsuit, Conley accused her of “malicious criminal prosecution.”
In citing court documents in its story, Conley claims the accuser aggressively tried to have sex with him during the night in question but he turned her down.. she was embarrassed and then she lied to officials out of spite.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jul 13, 2018 19:42:43 GMT
www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/harvey-weinstein-admits-offering-movie-“jobs”-for-sex-says-not-a-rapist/ar-AAA2cCh?ocid=spartanntpHarvey Weinstein Admits Offering Movie “Jobs” For Sex; Says Not A Rapist “Yes, I did offer them acting jobs in exchange for sex, but so did and still does everyone,” Weinstein admitted. “But I never, ever forced myself on a single woman.”Hence, after months of investigations, the initial charges from the grand jury in May of two counts of rape, with one involving force, as well as a criminal sexual act in the first degree, for alleged assaults against two women that occurred in 2013 and 2004. Additionally, there’s the July 2 announced Class A-11 felony predatory charge and an additional count of Criminal Sexual Act in the First Degree involving a third woman in 2006. Currently out on $1 million bail and having had to relinquish his passport for fear of flight risk, Weinstein is due back in court in New York in September. As well as proclaiming he’s not a rapist, Weinstein, with his primary lawyer Benjamin Brafman sitting close by, grotesquely tried to convince Taki that the tale of the open relationship between the now deceased Anthony Bourdain and Asia Argento, who claims that the producer raped her years ago, was “not true.” Implying that the nature of the Parts Unknown host and Argento’s relationship was partially responsibly for Bourdain’s suicide last month, the “exclusive” promising Weinstein then also drags Argento pal McGowan, who has claimed that the producer raped her in 1997 at the Sundance Film Festival, into his “twisted story,” as Taki puts it.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jul 13, 2018 20:00:56 GMT
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 14, 2018 5:03:36 GMT
redsoxgirl The "thumbs up" don't mean that I "like" any of this but rather that I appreciate your posting it. Thanks for continuing to speak up!
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jul 14, 2018 10:15:36 GMT
redsoxgirl The "thumbs up" don't mean that I "like" any of this but rather that I appreciate your posting it. Thanks for continuing to speak up! That's how I use the 'thumbs up' button too -- to say "I like" or "thank you for posting this." What's too bad is that it's kinda awkward (and often misunderstood) when you only want to say thank you -- when the post is about something bad or sad. It's too bad there isn't such a thing as a "thank you for posting this" button. |
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Post by Critical on Jul 27, 2018 20:00:41 GMT
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jul 27, 2018 20:32:40 GMT
www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/leslie-moonves-accused-sexual-misconduct-ronan-farrow-expose-1130268The New Yorker will be releasing it's article about Les Moonves(written by Pulitzer winning investigative journalist Rowan Farrow) later this afternoon, via The Hollywood reporter. (Newser) – Ronan Farrow, the journalist whose work helped bring down Harvey Weinstein, has another powerful figure in his sights: Leslie Moonves, the CEO of CBS. To be clear, the story in the New Yorker isn't out yet, but it's expected to be published Friday afternoon, per the Hollywood Reporter. Details are sparse so far, but THR says the piece will raise allegations against Moonves "of unwanted kissing and touching that occurred more than 20 years ago, as well as numerous claims that occurred more recently." CBS' independent board is already out with a statement, saying that it takes all such allegations seriously and is investigating the claims. "Upon the conclusion of that investigation, which involves recently reported allegations that go back several decades, the Board will promptly review the findings and take appropriate action." Moonves, 68, is "perhaps one of the most influential figures in entertainment," per Deadline, while THR calls him "one of the most powerful men in Hollywood." Even though the story has yet to publish, advance reports about it seem to be taking a toll: CBS shares were down 7%, reports CNBC. The story will publish with Moonves and CBS currently engaged in a nasty legal fight with Shari Redstone, controlling shareholder for both CBS and Viacom, who wants to merge the two companies. Both parties have sued each other in a bid for control, and while CBS shares were sinking, Viacom's were up 4.5%. As the buzz builds, Farrow tweeted this: "A quick reminder that I don’t comment on reporting I haven’t published, and if you’re reading about my work from secondary sources you’re often not getting the full or correct story—especially in cases where parties have an interest in downplaying or otherwise spinning." CBS received unwelcome scrutiny in November when it fired Charlie Rose after The Washington Post reported that eight women had accused the talk-show host and co-anchor of CBS This Morning of sexual misconduct. In a May 3 follow-up, the paper reported that CBS managers had been warned about Rose's conduct on three occasions, as early as in 1986 (long before Moonves worked at the network) and as recently as in April 2017. Among an additional 27 women who came forward with allegations against Rose were 14 CBS News employees. Moonves joined CBS in 1995 and remained there after Sumner Redstone acquired the company in 2000. He took the network from last to first place in the ratings with hits including Everybody Loves Raymond, Survivor and CSI: Crime Scene Investigation. In 2006, when Viacom split its businesses into two publicly traded companies, Moonves was named president and CEO of the newly formed CBS Corp. He became chairman in 2016. Moonves has a close-knit executive cadre working for him but he is known to demand great loyalty and he has made enemies along the way. When Howard Stern jumped from CBS Radio to Sirius Satellite, Moonves sued the shock jock for $500 million, prompting Stern to go on CBS’ own Late Show wearing an “I Hate Les Moonves” shirt.
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Post by Cuddles on Jul 27, 2018 21:15:14 GMT
Another FOX News sexual misconduct case... this time it is Kimberly Guilfoyle (the woman DT, Jr left his wife to be with). link |
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Post by Critical on Jul 27, 2018 21:17:53 GMT
Okay, weird. I posted that Les Moonves story this morning and now it's gone. Anyway.... I've been waiting for that announcement for a very long time. Another big one is about to fall!
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Post by MissScarlet on Jul 27, 2018 21:23:34 GMT
Okay, weird. I posted that Les Moonves story this morning and now it's gone. Anyway.... I've been waiting for that announcement for a very long time. Another big one is about to fall!
ETA: Okay, apparently, I DID post it, but just in a different thread. Moved Glad you cleared that up. I was just on this thread, and the post wasn't here, then when I saw you just did a new post I came back & saw a post that wasn't there before. I thought I was losing it.  |
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Post by Critical on Jul 27, 2018 21:43:23 GMT
Yeah, I don't know what happened there. I posted it on my phone and when I looked, I'd turned the whole thread into an announcement. I don't know how I did that by just posting  Sadly, that Kimberly Guilfoyle story isn't even surprising, considering the stories that have come out of Fox News. |
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jul 28, 2018 0:17:54 GMT
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Post by Arielflies on Jul 28, 2018 2:51:26 GMT
This side piece from THR last January (a profile of Ronan Farrow) is fascinating.
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Post by Critical on Jul 28, 2018 2:58:04 GMT
That link isn't working for me, Ariel. Maybe they took down the article? I couldn't even find it on the THR site.
ETA: Found it. Your link has a little extra https on the end, so it does work, although that doesn't explain why searching THR for "Ronan Farrow" came up empty for that article. Weird.
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Post by Arielflies on Jul 28, 2018 2:59:56 GMT
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So very, very sad. I hope you've had some loved ones in your life who have supported you through all of your trauma.
Tons of (((((((hugs))))))) 
So sad. So heartbreaking. 
