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Post by libgirl2 on Feb 24, 2020 18:52:00 GMT
beerbelly .......they are sending him to RICKERS ISLAND.......yeahhhh........isn't that a SCARY CREEPY JAIL in NYC? His lawyer said they will appeal, and he's being sent to a medical facility. Sure because now he is "old and frail".
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 24, 2020 18:58:33 GMT
His lawyer said they will appeal, and he's being sent to a medical facility. Sure because now he is "old and frail". What utter bs, his bent over his walker.please
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 3, 2020 1:32:21 GMT
www.cnn.com/2020/03/02/media/chris-matthews-retires-msnbc/index.htmlChris Matthews retires from MSNBC after string of recent controversies Matthews, 74, alluded to claims of inappropriate conduct that have trailed him for years, and resurfaced last Friday when GQ columnist Laura Bassett accused Matthews of making sexist remarks when she was a guest on "Hardball" in 2016.
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 5, 2020 21:31:32 GMT
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 5, 2020 21:37:58 GMT
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 6, 2020 21:46:44 GMT
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Post by AZChristian on Mar 6, 2020 22:01:02 GMT
AWESOME!!!!
His memoir would have been a lot of blank pages as he would eliminate anything about his grooming and marrying of his step-daughter. And whatever other scummy things he probably did.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 6, 2020 22:08:29 GMT
I can understand the reason for cheering at a bad fate for Woody (though I will admit that i can understand the people who question the claims ... there seems to be A LOT of sides to that story). That aside, I have to say I'm very disappointed in Ronan Farrow taking that stand with the publisher. He's a journalist ... well, he calls himself one. I call him a non-fiction writer whose fantastic at self promotion. Journalists (or non-fiction writers) should be the LAST people advocating for squelching speech. To me, that goes even further with Ronan Farrow. Farrow has been so outspoken about NBC keeping his reporting from being heard. He's experienced first hand what it means to have your voice silenced. Well if he's going to advocate for the principle of writers voices being heard, he's got to extend that principle when it's inconvenient. He may not want to hear from Woody - just like Matt Lauer's loved ones may not have wanted to hear from Ronan. But that does not mean the voice should be silenced. Let readers decide - if they don't want to hear Woody's story, they won't buy the book. But Farrow drops to a really crappy free speech "advocate" when he works so hard to silence a voice he doesn't want heard.
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Post by Critical on Mar 6, 2020 22:40:34 GMT
Having dealt a good bit with Hachette, I'm thrilled with their decision to drop the WA book. I was really disappointed when I heard they were publishing him. I can imagine Ronan felt very betrayed. It's not just that they published his last book REALLY recently (in October, 2019). They published his last book, which was about rampant sexual harassment/abuse by powerful men, including Woody Allen. He's talked about how supported he felt by Hachette. Then they turn around and publish a book by his sister's abuser without so much as a heads up AND without contacting his sister about it.
I think it might feel different if Hachette had published RF's War on Peace, his book about American diplomacy (it was published by WW Norton), but the fact that the book they DID publish covers the abuse of his sister by WA makes it feel like a slap in the face, IMO. I'd feel the same way.
The larger problem (IMO) is that Hachette never contacted Dylan Farrow. It's common practice in publishing to contact subjects in these types of books. When Ronan's Catch and Kill was in the editing process, Weinstein and other men in the book KNEW what was going on because the editors did their job by informing them. That's one of the things that put RF at risk because then HW knew the book was going to press and he had people following RF 24/7. The fact that WA's memoir addresses Dylan's accusations of abuse and she was never contacted about it is pretty egregious and irresponsible on the part of the editors and the publisher as a whole. Yeah, "free speech" and all that. It doesn't mean that he gets a publishing deal with one of the big 5 publishers and it doesn't give the editors the right to NOT go through the standard practice of contacting those persons discussed in the book. He can kick rocks over to another publisher. I'd be curious to know if any of the other four big publishing companies passed on his memoir. Hey, he can always self publish. Or start a blog. He's not entitled to a publishing deal to tell his story.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 7, 2020 0:23:44 GMT
I totally agree with you that free speech doesn’t guarantee a publishing deal. His credentials got him that. It’s about Farrow advocating EXACTLY what he was so vocal about at NBC.
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Post by Critical on Mar 7, 2020 0:50:12 GMT
I totally agree with you that free speech doesn’t guarantee a publishing deal. His credentials got him that. It’s about Farrow advocating EXACTLY what he was so vocal about at NBC. Which is what?
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Post by Kao on Mar 7, 2020 2:01:59 GMT
What on earth was Hachette thinking with this? The fact that so many publishers passed on the WA memoir should have clued them in that it was a nasty hot potato, and the fact that they didn't contact Dylan to fact-check makes it worse. Add in the fact that Ronan dropped them as a publisher and their own employees staged a walkout after getting the news, and all they got from this deal is a lot of bad press.
The fact that this man had a sexual relationship with Soon-Yi when she was a teenager makes me totally believe Dylan's claims. It doesn't matter that he married her later. To take advantage of a child's not-great relationship with her mom and twist it the way he did...he deserves to be under the jail, the perv. Dylan has never once wavered from her story, and personally I find it very distasteful that people (especially women) doubt her. Children tend to remember being molested. Good for Ronan for being in his sister's corner.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 7, 2020 2:38:12 GMT
I totally agree with you that free speech doesn’t guarantee a publishing deal. His credentials got him that. It’s about Farrow advocating EXACTLY what he was so vocal about at NBC. Which is what? Shutting down a story because they didn’t want it to be heard.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Mar 7, 2020 10:32:22 GMT
What on earth was Hachette thinking with this? The fact that so many publishers passed on the WA memoir should have clued them in that it was a nasty hot potato, and the fact that they didn't contact Dylan to fact-check makes it worse. Add in the fact that Ronan dropped them as a publisher and their own employees staged a walkout after getting the news, and all they got from this deal is a lot of bad press. The fact that this man had a sexual relationship with Soon-Yi when she was a teenager makes me totally believe Dylan's claims. It doesn't matter that he married her later. To take advantage of a child's not-great relationship with her mom and twist it the way he did...he deserves to be under the jail, the perv. Dylan has never once wavered from her story, and personally I find it very distasteful that people (especially women) doubt her. Children tend to remember being molested. Good for Ronan for being in his sister's corner. Let's not spread false information. Soon-Yi was an ADULT at 21 years old when she started her relationship with WA!!! (Info from Wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soon-Yi_Previn)
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Post by AZChristian on Mar 7, 2020 13:23:09 GMT
What on earth was Hachette thinking with this? The fact that so many publishers passed on the WA memoir should have clued them in that it was a nasty hot potato, and the fact that they didn't contact Dylan to fact-check makes it worse. Add in the fact that Ronan dropped them as a publisher and their own employees staged a walkout after getting the news, and all they got from this deal is a lot of bad press. The fact that this man had a sexual relationship with Soon-Yi when she was a teenager makes me totally believe Dylan's claims. It doesn't matter that he married her later. To take advantage of a child's not-great relationship with her mom and twist it the way he did...he deserves to be under the jail, the perv. Dylan has never once wavered from her story, and personally I find it very distasteful that people (especially women) doubt her. Children tend to remember being molested. Good for Ronan for being in his sister's corner. Let's not spread false information. Soon-Yi was an ADULT at 21 years old when she started her relationship with WA!!! (Info from Wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soon-Yi_Previn)Wikipedia is a compendium of information from pretty much anyone who wants to write for it. According to their own statement, "Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous volunteers who write without pay. Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles, except in limited cases where editing is restricted to prevent disruption or vandalism." I do wish to correct something I said earlier. I referred to Soon-Yi as his step-daughter. Since Woody Allen and Mia Farrow never married, he was not legally her step-father. He was her mother's boyfriend. Exactly the same situation I endured as a child when my mother's boyfriend molested me for 12 years. And he denied it, too. Yeah. #metoo.
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Post by Kao on Mar 7, 2020 15:50:02 GMT
What on earth was Hachette thinking with this? The fact that so many publishers passed on the WA memoir should have clued them in that it was a nasty hot potato, and the fact that they didn't contact Dylan to fact-check makes it worse. Add in the fact that Ronan dropped them as a publisher and their own employees staged a walkout after getting the news, and all they got from this deal is a lot of bad press. The fact that this man had a sexual relationship with Soon-Yi when she was a teenager makes me totally believe Dylan's claims. It doesn't matter that he married her later. To take advantage of a child's not-great relationship with her mom and twist it the way he did...he deserves to be under the jail, the perv. Dylan has never once wavered from her story, and personally I find it very distasteful that people (especially women) doubt her. Children tend to remember being molested. Good for Ronan for being in his sister's corner. Let's not spread false information. Soon-Yi was an ADULT at 21 years old when she started her relationship with WA!!! (Info from Wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soon-Yi_Previn)Anyone can edit (and delete) info on Wikipedia. According to both the tabs at the time as well as Mia's comments on the matter the nudes she found of Soon-Yi in Woody's possession dated back to when she was 17.
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Post by Critical on Mar 8, 2020 1:19:35 GMT
Shutting down a story because they didn’t want it to be heard. Sorry, I'm going to disagree here. It's not the same thing. There's a BIG difference between NBC trying to silence Ronan's investigations - the well-researched and hugely sourced story of a journalist - and a director who's been credibly accused of child molestation losing his book deal.
RF did get his story out because editors at the New Yorker had the guts to publish it. If you read Catch and Kill and/or listen to his podcast, you know how much research he did and how many sources he had that were verified. NBC tried to stop him because of relationships between the network higher ups and Weinstein and because of pressure put on them by HW and his network of cronies.
Woody Allen lost his book deal because people spoke out against this man who molested his daughter (if you read the accounts of those involved and of the experts who testified, there is NO doubt that he did it, IMO). RF spoke out and hundreds of Hachette employees walked out.
Frankly, I don't think both people deserve equal time. The Pulitzer award winning journalist, IMO, deserves more consideration than the pedophile.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 8, 2020 2:57:35 GMT
Shutting down a story because they didn’t want it to be heard. Sorry, I'm going to disagree here. It's not the same thing. There's a BIG difference between NBC trying to silence Ronan's investigations - the well-researched and hugely sourced story of a journalist - and a director who's been credibly accused of child molestation losing his book deal.
RF did get his story out because editors at the New Yorker had the guts to publish it. If you read Catch and Kill and/or listen to his podcast, you know how much research he did and how many sources he had that were verified. NBC tried to stop him because of relationships between the network higher ups and Weinstein and because of pressure put on them by HW and his network of cronies.
Woody Allen lost his book deal because people spoke out against this man who molested his daughter (if you read the accounts of those involved and of the experts who testified, there is NO doubt that he did it, IMO). RF spoke out and hundreds of Hachette employees walked out.
Frankly, I don't think both people deserve equal time. The Pulitzer award winning journalist, IMO, deserves more consideration than the pedophile.
I totally respect your disagreement but it does not change my opinion. I believe very strongly that the best response to disagreeable speech is voicing disagreement and debating ... not silencing. It scares me when people who make a living expressing themselves advocate for silencing others. It’s short sighted and foolish.
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Post by Critical on Mar 8, 2020 8:16:32 GMT
But what could the pedophile say that would be worth anyone's time? This isn't about a disagreement unless WA thinks sexually abusing little girls is o-okay. How do you debate someone who vehemently denies what he did? He just wanted another platform for his "poor me" act.
This isn't silencing someone who has a different political opinion, but gives a reasoned argument. This is someone who did abhorrent things to a child and who now wants to profit from a book, in which he discusses (and I'm sure denies) that abuse.
I'm not a 100% fan of cancel culture, but in the case of scum like Woody Allen, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey and their ilk, I'm totally fine with it. We've heard enough from them for FAR too long. It's time for them to sit down and shut up.
Like I said upthread, Woody's not entitled to a book deal with one of the top 5 publishing houses. His free speech isn't being hindered. He can start a blog or do a podcast. Ultimately, publishing is about money and Hachette discovered that publishing that memoir was going to cause them problems financially.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 8, 2020 13:56:21 GMT
But what could the pedophile say that would be worth anyone's time? This isn't about a disagreement unless WA thinks sexually abusing little girls is o-okay. How do you debate someone who vehemently denies what he did? He just wanted another platform for his "poor me" act. This isn't silencing someone who has a different political opinion, but gives a reasoned argument. This is someone who did abhorrent things to a child and who now wants to profit from a book, in which he discusses (and I'm sure denies) that abuse. I'm not a 100% fan of cancel culture, but in the case of scum like Woody Allen, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey and their ilk, I'm totally fine with it. We've heard enough from them for FAR too long. It's time for them to sit down and shut up. Like I said upthread, Woody's not entitled to a book deal with one of the top 5 publishing houses. His free speech isn't being hindered. He can start a blog or do a podcast. Ultimately, publishing is about money and Hachette discovered that publishing that memoir was going to cause them problems financially. IMO, the greatest gift reading gives is understanding. The laws that are very necessary for protecting kids also create some barriers for understanding predators to better protect kids. So what Woody says could give information used to better protect kids. That’s some value. Beyond that I will admit again that while I think Allen is a very twisted man and not someone I’d want to spend time around, I also can understand why there are people who question some of the allegations around him. I respect those who are convinced but can understand those who are not. That said, when justifying silencing select voices it’s easy when going to the worst of the worst like Spacey and Weinstein. But how do you decide where exactly to draw the line. If you start selectively silencing based on public perception (because only one of the three you listed has been found guilty) where does it stop? And who exactly gets to be the arbiter of that?
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 11, 2020 15:35:10 GMT
TWENTY THREE YEARS
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 11, 2020 15:39:14 GMT
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Post by ibot2much on Mar 11, 2020 16:00:56 GMT
While this is very important, I think the most important thing to come out of all this is the change in the culture of the entertainment industry... that meetings are to be held in offices..that actors and agents can make sure they are not put in the position of being afraid to saying no to inappropriate meeting sites.
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Post by Critical on Mar 11, 2020 16:09:54 GMT
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Post by beerbelly on Mar 11, 2020 16:40:50 GMT
So happy about this!
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 11, 2020 17:01:33 GMT
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 11, 2020 19:37:44 GMT
Yes!! God I was so pleased to hear this. He's a pig !
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Post by Critical on Mar 12, 2020 7:07:37 GMT
I just finished Ronan Farrow's Catch & Kill podcast yesterday (read the book last fall) and OMG. Over 80 women accused Weinstein and RF only speaks to a handful of them in the podcast, but it's horrifying. 23 years is a drop in the bucket of what he deserves. I hope his conviction is the first of MANY powerful men finally made to pay. They all need to fall like dominoes
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Post by justCoz on Mar 12, 2020 13:25:31 GMT
I just finished Ronan Farrow's Catch & Kill podcast yesterday (read the book last fall) and OMG. Over 80 women accused Weinstein and RF only speaks to a handful of them in the podcast, but it's horrifying. 23 years is a drop in the bucket of what he deserves. I hope his conviction is the first of MANY powerful men finally made to pay. They all need to fall like dominoes Right, a drop in the bucket compared to how long he's been preying on women. Amazingly his attorneys asked for 5 years because he had no criminal history. I'm glad the judge said it's his first conviction, but not his first offense. I knew he had been raping women for a long time, but didn't know it was since the '70's until yesterday when I read the articles about his sentencing.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 12, 2020 15:48:05 GMT
I just finished Ronan Farrow's Catch & Kill podcast yesterday (read the book last fall) and OMG. Over 80 women accused Weinstein and RF only speaks to a handful of them in the podcast, but it's horrifying. 23 years is a drop in the bucket of what he deserves. I hope his conviction is the first of MANY powerful men finally made to pay. They all need to fall like dominoes Right, a drop in the bucket compared to how long he's been preying on women. Amazingly his attorneys asked for 5 years because he had no criminal history. I'm glad the judge said it's his first conviction, but not his first offense. I knew he had been raping women for a long time, but didn't know it was since the '70's until yesterday when I read the articles about his sentencing. 5 years is an insult to all women. And I'm sick of seeing HW with that damn walker
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