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Post by JosephD on May 19, 2018 15:51:23 GMT
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Post by sunnydayz on May 25, 2018 2:14:25 GMT
Yikes the FBI is closing in. I’m really pulling for this family again....even Elizabeth. I hope they can get Paige and Henry and all get out together. But what in the heck are they going to tell Henry? Does he have any clue at all or will he be completely blown away? The series finale next week should be a good one. I’m gonna miss this show.
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Post by tinderbox on May 28, 2018 15:39:25 GMT
I'm anxiously awaiting the series finale on Wednesday night. My hope is that Philip and Henry make it through. Elizabeth, Paige, and even Stan? Not so much. Oh, and the return of Martha would be unexpected but outstanding!
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Post by sunnydayz on May 28, 2018 18:51:46 GMT
Agreed, it’d be great to see Martha in the series finale!
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Post by Kao on May 29, 2018 5:31:38 GMT
I hope Oleg makes it as well.
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Post by Punkin on May 31, 2018 1:10:19 GMT
I'm going to miss this wonderful show, but can't wait to see how it ends!
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Post by rockytopchick on May 31, 2018 1:51:43 GMT
I probably will have to let it sit on my DVR until this weekend. I will have to remind myself not to come to this thread and get spoiled for a few days
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Post by Punkin on May 31, 2018 4:17:23 GMT
My lips are zipped 'til you come back!
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Post by lindal100 on May 31, 2018 12:13:42 GMT
I just watched the finale and I have to say I have mixed feelings about it, since this was the series finale I had very high expectations for it and to be honest it didn't quite live up to my expectations, I was still ok with the finale, but I just expected more from it since it's the end. The upside is that the Jennings didn't just get off scot-free for everything they did, but on the downside there's still some questions left unanswered, it just didn't seem complete. {Spoiler}
Firstly to the positives, that confrontation between Stan and the Jennings was brilliant and intense and beautifully acted by everyone. And although a lot of fans were hoping that Elizabeth or Philip or both would be punished for all the horrible things that they have done, and many had hoped that Elizabeth in particular would either die or be caught or suffer some kind of horrible fate, but Stan let them go and they both successfully managed to escape back to Russia, I don't think they necessarily got away scot-free. Because they had to leave Henry behind in America, they had to make the heartbreaking decision to abandon their own son in a different country far away, they won't be able to see their son for long time, if ever again. And to add insult to injury, Paige also decided to stay in America, which means that not only did the couple lose their son, they also lost Paige, so they have now separated from both their children. The guilt of putting their children through all of this mess and destroying their lives, will be overwhelming and very heart-wrenching for the couple to cope. They will have to live with that guilt of losing both their children for the rest of their lives, and I think that is a worse punishment for the couple than getting caught or dying. So I think that was a fitting punishment for the couple, they may not have been caught and they're safely back in their home country, but they will still suffer a great deal for everything they have done and for all the lives that they have destroyed over the years.
But I really feel bad for their kids, I have so much sympathy for them, Henry didn't know anything, he didn't do anything wrong, he was the only innocent one in the family and he has lost his parents and possibly Paige too, he doesn't deserve this. The couple made the right choice by leaving Henry behind, he was born and raised in America, he's an American, that's where he belongs. And I didn't think I would have sympathy for Paige too but I do, seeing her making that conscious and brave decision of getting off that train and separating from her parents because she wants to stay in America was really powerful and seeing the heartbreak on Elizabeth & Philip's faces when they realised they have lost their daughter too was really sad. I think her decision to stay in America really proves where her loyalties really lie, even though in this season she chose to become a spy for the KGB, but I was never under the impression that she was fully committed to her role as a spy, and her decision to stay in America in the finale basically confirmed my opinions, deep down Paige is still an American at heart, that's where her loyalties have always truly lied with. But I feel so sad for her that she is now all alone in America, at least Henry still has Stan to look after him and be his close confidante, but Paige has no one in her life to rely on now. I hope she will keep in contact with Henry, they have lost both their parents and they need to rely on each other now. I would hate to see the siblings separated from each other too.
Now to the downsides, like I mentioned before there's still some questions left unanswered...such as the fate of Elizabeth & Philip now they're back in Russia, how would their kids cope in America without them, and most importantly, is Renee really a Russian spy or not? Because of these unanswered questions, the finale just seemed unfinished, it's disappointing that they have ended this show still with some loose ends left untied.
But overall it was a decent series finale, just not a great one I don't think Sorry for my long rant... |
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Post by Punkin on May 31, 2018 15:33:59 GMT
I found it to be quite poignant. And just exactly as I would have wanted it to end. Over the six seasons I grew to care about all of these people. It's been such a good drama and I hate to see it end (though Elizabeth was starting to piss me off). I didn't want them hurt or jailed. Though all of them suffered loss. I absolutely loved the final scene.
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Post by rockytopchick on Jun 2, 2018 14:39:52 GMT
Just watched it this morning. The scene with Stan was very good, but I just don't know if I buy that in real life he would have let them go. That scene where they were calling to talk to Henry, and the one where they each saw Paige standing on the platform as the train was leaving, heartbreaking.
Not sure if Paige stayed in America to be an American, or to get deeper into being a spy. She went to the apartment, and poured herself a shot of vodka and appeared to be waiting for the lady whose name I forget. So that led me to believe that she was going to continue spying.
They were purposely very vague about whether Renee was a spy or not. I would have liked to see her go in to the house after Stan left and pull some sort of spy gear out of the basement.
Very sad it is over. Have watched since the series premier. But the final episode did not disappoint. I think it's fine that they left a lot of unanswered questions
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Post by lindal100 on Jun 2, 2018 16:40:11 GMT
Not sure if Paige stayed in America to be an American, or to get deeper into being a spy. She went to the apartment, and poured herself a shot of vodka and appeared to be waiting for the lady whose name I forget. So that led me to believe that she was going to continue spying. you do have a point there...however, Paige going to Claudia's apartment could also be explained by the fact that it was the only other place she knew in America that was safe for her to stay in. Paige couldn't return to her own apartment because the FBI had her place under surveillance, the FBI was also watching the Jennings family home, so if Paige had returned to either of these homes she would've been caught. So she probably went to Claudia's apartment for her own safety, since the FBI didn't know about that apartment at the time. And that apartment seemed to be almost completely empty when Paige arrived, like Claudia had moved out, it would make sense since she was the Jennings' handler, and with the Jennings returning to Russia, there was no reason for Claudia to stay in America anymore either, so I wouldn't be surprised if she went back to Russia too. But either possibilities are plausible, I do hope that I'm right and that Paige has quit being a spy...like I mentioned before, I was always under the impression that Paige was never completely committed to being a spy anyway. |
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Post by Punkin on Jun 2, 2018 17:01:00 GMT
I hope Paige stayed to make sure Henry was OK and explain it all to him. She has the new identity papers and can get a job nearer to Henry and just disappear into a new life. She is an American after all. That's what I hope.
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Post by tinderbox on Jun 2, 2018 20:46:55 GMT
I enjoyed the finale but not at all what I expected.
Shed tears over the call to Henry and was shocked when Paige got off the train. OMG!
Loved the garage scene. Lots of layers. I watched it 3 times to pick up on all the nuances in the performances, meanings, lines, reactions, reasons, etc. I thought sure Elizabeth would attack Stan. You could see her chopping at the bit. I would have bet my last dollar but she didn't.
I've got to say, I honestly wanted ELIZABETH TO DIE. She was soooooo awful this final season, in particular, that I grew to hate that chick!!
So many unanswered questions about....everybody. Nobody came out a winner.
Great show. I truly will miss it.
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Post by lindal100 on Jun 3, 2018 4:45:34 GMT
even though Elizabeth didn't die, but that doesn't mean she won't be punished for her crimes, she has essentially lost both her children and she'd probably never be able to see them again, she will have to live with the guilt and heartbreak of losing her children and ruining their lives for the rest of her life, and as a parent, I think that is an even worse punishment than dying. So I'm satisfied with the couple losing their children, it was a fitting outcome for them both.
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Post by tinderbox on Jun 3, 2018 16:08:43 GMT
even though Elizabeth didn't die, but that doesn't mean she won't be punished for her crimes, she has essentially lost both her children and she'd probably never be able to see them again, she will have to live with the guilt and heartbreak of losing her children and ruining their lives for the rest of her life, and as a parent, I think that is an even worse punishment than dying. So I'm satisfied with the couple losing their children, it was a fitting outcome for them both. I hear you but i think the loss of their two children will affect Philip much more than Elizabeth in the long run. I, too, am a parent and I think losing my child (especially in that manner) would devastate me forever. In fact, I cannot comprehend how awful it would be. Elizabeth? I'm not so sure. That woman's blood ran ice cold. |
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Post by sunnydayz on Jun 4, 2018 22:52:38 GMT
I loved the finale. The scene in the garage with the conversation between Philip and Stan was my favorite. It was well-acted and so touching. I just knew Stan was gonna let them go. The final scene was beautiful, as well.
I'm fine with the unanswered questions. I do think Paige stayed behind mostly because of Henry. I felt really bad for Oleg stuck in jail. The scene with Oleg's father, his wife, and baby was so sad. And I choose to believe that Renee is "one of them," but I kind of like that we don't know for sure.
I'll miss these characters and this show.
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Post by sunnydayz on Jun 5, 2018 15:43:39 GMT
Not sure if Paige stayed in America to be an American, or to get deeper into being a spy. She went to the apartment, and poured herself a shot of vodka and appeared to be waiting for the lady whose name I forget. So that led me to believe that she was going to continue spying. I think Paige probably went to the apartment because she had nowhere else to go. When Elizabeth and Claudia had their final conversation, Claudia said she'd be returning home. I would think as Philip & Elizabeth were scrambling to escape, Claudia was doing likewise. |
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Post by lindal100 on Jun 6, 2018 15:49:08 GMT
I, too, am a parent and I think losing my child (especially in that manner) would devastate me forever. In fact, I cannot comprehend how awful it would be. Elizabeth? I'm not so sure. That woman's blood ran ice cold. I do see your point, compared to Philip who's a lot more sentimental and seemed to care more about their children, Elizabeth was cold and dispassionate and calculating most of the time, so I can see how the loss of their children would probably affect Philip more than Elizabeth. BUT, I don't believe she's "ice cold", I think deep down she cared more about her family than she had let on...she might have prioritised her loyalty to her country before the well-being of children, but somewhere deep down she still loved her children, which is why she was so devastated when they lost them. I was never convinced that Elizabeth was completely ice cold, I believe it was largely a facade she put on in order to remain committed to her job as a KGB spy, she still has feelings and emotions and love for her family, but she did prioritise her commitment to her country above all else, so she suppressed a lot of her emotional and sentimental side in order to do her job. Unlike Philip, Elizabeth was methodical and very focused on her mission, while Philip was too sentimental and had more often than not let his emotions affect their mission, which is why he struggled so much compared to Elizabeth, unlike her, Philip came to love and appreciate America. Elizabeth saw how much Philip was struggling and she did not want her emotions to get in the way of her job. Elizabeth might cope with her loss "easier" than Philip will, but I don't believe she would ever get over it, I think she definitely still loved and cared for her children and I believe she will live with the guilt forever and it's going to affect her deeply. I think it's a combination of different reasons, for one I believe deep down Paige is still an American at heart, like I mentioned before, I was never convinced that she was ever completely committed to being a spy for the KGB, I think she mainly agreed to it because of Elizabeth, and not because of her own desire, I always felt her true alliance was still with America. And secondly, I agree, I also believe another reason she decided to stay is because she wanted to stay close to Henry and watch over him, they have lost their parents, so I hope the siblings will keep in touch, they need to rely on each other now more than ever. However as much as I want the siblings to keep in touch, they probably wouldn't because it would increase the likelihood of Paige getting caught by the FBI. I had completely forgotten about their last conversation together! So Claudia did return to Russia like the Jennings, which would support my theory that Paige returned to that apartment mainly because she had no where else to go, and not because she wanted to continue being a spy. |
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Post by tinderbox on Jun 7, 2018 15:33:15 GMT
IMO, anybody who could kill people, in cold blood, in the manner Elizabeth did (especially in this last season) is ice cold.
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Post by lindal100 on Jun 7, 2018 17:46:28 GMT
IMO, anybody who could kill people, in cold blood, in the manner Elizabeth did ( especially in this last season) is ice cold. even murderers who kill in cold blood have feelings and emotions, they may be murderers, but they still have families they love and care about. And as a fellow KGB spy, Philip has also murdered people in cold blood in the past, does that mean he is "ice cold" too? In terms of being killers and spies, Philip and Elizabeth are the same, the only difference between them is that Elizabeth was more focused and committed to her job than Philip was, unlike Philip, Elizabeth did not let her emotions interfere with her missions. But it doesn't change the fact that Philip has also killed people in cold blood before in the series. In the real world, spies and soldiers are trained to kill, and I would imagine KGB spies in particular back then were trained to be hard and tough, vigilant, methodical and very focused on their missions. Elizabeth is how I would imagine a typical KGB officer or spy to be like. While Philip had become too sentimental and emotional, clearly the job had eventually taken a toll on him emotionally and physically especially in the last few seasons, which was why he struggled in the last season. |
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Post by Punkin on Jun 8, 2018 0:56:51 GMT
I wonder if they're still dating in real life?
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Post by lindal100 on Jun 8, 2018 4:12:50 GMT
I wonder if they're still dating in real life? you mean the actors in real-life? Yes, they are still very much together, their son was born in 2016 and I think they have custody of Keri Russell's older children she has with her husband, Russell is currently separated from her husband and Matthew Rhys is her domestic partner. |
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Post by Critical on Jun 11, 2018 7:00:09 GMT
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Post by coco46 on Jun 14, 2018 14:11:41 GMT
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Post by Kao on Jun 25, 2018 19:01:25 GMT
Finally finished watching the series last night and man, what a ride! That scene between the Jennings and Stan in the parking lot better be part of their Emmy Reel. Wonderfully acted. I was glad that the Jennings got away, but at what cost? Their children are forever lost to them.
Since the Jennings were with Arkady at the end (and they most likely told him about how the KGB was trying to kill Gorbachev) I have confidence that after the end of the Cold War and Communism Gorbachev would have found a way to get Oleg pardoned, since he would be considered a hero for trying to pass the assassination/forged report info to the right people. It's a shame that Stan was so blinded by hate that his department didn't pass it on, but at least he kept his promise to Philip, and took care of his son.
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Post by Critical on Aug 5, 2018 8:25:26 GMT
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Post by Kao on Aug 5, 2018 14:23:28 GMT
Congrats to Keri! She was especially marvelous this season.
As much as I love Sandra Oh I'm hoping that Keri gets that Emmy. It's her last year to get it, and the show has been ignored so far.
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Post by Critical on Aug 7, 2018 3:11:10 GMT
Totally agree. I adore Sandra, but it's Keri's turn. She's earned it. I'm only disappointed that Matthew Rhys didn't get a nom too. He deserved it. That show only worked if both leads were equals in acting ability.
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