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Post by ccl on Jun 18, 2024 3:05:37 GMT
Finished Bridgerton with a decidedly meh opinion. I still like Penelope but I didn’t change my mind on Colin - he’s like a charisma vacuum. The only moment I can recall really liking from him was the little nod he gave her when she entered the wedding. The whole Benedict threesome storyline…again, meh. His artistry is apparently no longer (even telling the guy he had no appreciation for art and was just a ne’er-do-well), nothing on his daily life running things with Anthony away apart from a couple of throwaway lines…a waste. His moments with Eloise were good, as always. Eloise was also wasted this season after her whole storyline last season of starting to learn about how different people lived and thought with the apprentice printer. That growth was gone. This season was basically her being reactive to whatever was going on with Penelope. Hope for more for her and Benedict next time. Speaking of Anthony - he comes back from his honeymoon, leaves to go on another honeymoon, comes back and leaves again to go on a long trip to India. What? And as the putative head of the Bridgertons shouldn’t he be around more (or at least in the country if not on the screen)? Mama Bridgerton tells Francesca she’s learned there can be love without fireworks but never mind because here’s Michaela showing up and Francesca is forgetting her own name. Way to negate the idea that there can be different experiences and expressions of love. The Mondriches having to give up their club to be part of society - hated. Why is the Queen so different than her younger version in the spinoff show? I guess it could be said time hardened her but she just seems so jarringly different (worse) as the senior version. Actually liked the Featheringtons this time around. Who knew?
Hoping for better next time.
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Post by libgirl2 on Jun 23, 2024 13:07:45 GMT
We are two episodes in on Joko Anwar's Nightmares and Daydreams. It is set in Indonesia in various time periods. I think everything will intertwine in the end but I'm trying not to spoil anything.
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Post by libgirl2 on Jun 25, 2024 16:54:44 GMT
Julia Quinn posted a statement on her FB page regarding the whole Michael issue. There are a large number of very unhappy comments. Several people don't want to watch anymore. Accusations of selling out. I don't know how this will all turn out when it is said and done.
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Post by ccl on Jun 25, 2024 17:03:13 GMT
Disclaimer: I’ve never reads the Francesca book so I’m not necessarily as invested in the Michael character as a reader. I don’t care if they change the gender of the character. I do care that they built up this love story with her and John then tore it down with her post-wedding reactions (to the kiss, to Michaela). It does a disservice to the characters, imo.
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Post by libgirl2 on Jun 25, 2024 17:22:17 GMT
Disclaimer: I’ve never reads the Francesca book so I’m not necessarily as invested in the Michael character as a reader. I don’t care if they change the gender of the character. I do care that they built up this love story with her and John then tore it down with her post-wedding reactions (to the kiss, to Michaela). It does a disservice to the characters, imo. There are some things that happen that I can't see how they will work it out. Be inclusive but it is still set in a certain time period and it is based on established characters. Wiggle room is fine, about face is not as much. And yes, there was the absolute disservice to John.
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Post by Kao on Jun 25, 2024 21:09:19 GMT
The hate that actress is getting is seriously out of order. I can understand being upset because Francesca and John were mad cute together, and it would have been nice to have the writers ignore what happens in the book and give them a happy ending. What I'm seeing is a lot of fans using this as an excuse to let their bigot flags fly (racial, sexual orientation, all of the above, etc) and they're directing that hatred to someone who signed on to do a job, for Pete's sake. It's the same reason why that guy on House of the Dragon had to limit comments on his social media recently; some people can't quite grasp the concept that these are actors DOING A JOB. Some people really need to get offline, go outside, and touch grass.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 26, 2024 0:10:52 GMT
The hate that actress is getting is seriously out of order. I can understand being upset because Francesca and John were mad cute together, and it would have been nice to have the writers ignore what happens in the book and give them a happy ending. What I'm seeing is a lot of fans using this as an excuse to let their bigot flags fly (racial, sexual orientation, all of the above, etc) and they're directing that hatred to someone who signed on to do a job, for Pete's sake. It's the same reason why that guy on House of the Dragon had to limit comments on his social media recently; some people can't quite grasp the concept that these are actors DOING A JOB. Some people really need to get offline, go outside, and touch grass. Who are they attacking on House of a Dragon and why?
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Post by waywyrd on Jun 26, 2024 1:17:44 GMT
The hate that actress is getting is seriously out of order. I can understand being upset because Francesca and John were mad cute together, and it would have been nice to have the writers ignore what happens in the book and give them a happy ending. What I'm seeing is a lot of fans using this as an excuse to let their bigot flags fly (racial, sexual orientation, all of the above, etc) and they're directing that hatred to someone who signed on to do a job, for Pete's sake. It's the same reason why that guy on House of the Dragon had to limit comments on his social media recently; some people can't quite grasp the concept that these are actors DOING A JOB. Some people really need to get offline, go outside, and touch grass. Who are they attacking on House of a Dragon and why? Fabien Frankel, who plays Criston Cole. Apparently people with room temperature IQs can't tell the difference between real life and acting anymore, so they're giving him a bunch of crap for playing an unlikable character. So ridiculous.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 26, 2024 5:03:33 GMT
Who are they attacking on House of a Dragon and why? Fabien Frankel, who plays Criston Cole. Apparently people with room temperature IQs can't tell the difference between real life and acting anymore, so they're giving him a bunch of crap for playing an unlikable character. So ridiculous. Thank goodness Joffrey is not around anymore.
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Post by waywyrd on Jun 26, 2024 11:47:40 GMT
Fabien Frankel, who plays Criston Cole. Apparently people with room temperature IQs can't tell the difference between real life and acting anymore, so they're giving him a bunch of crap for playing an unlikable character. So ridiculous. Thank goodness Joffrey is not around anymore. Jack Gleeson (Joffrey) got threats back then too. People are nuts.
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Post by Kao on Jun 26, 2024 15:42:56 GMT
r Fabien Frankel, who plays Criston Cole. Apparently people with room temperature IQs can't tell the difference between real life and acting anymore, so they're giving him a bunch of crap for playing an unlikable character. So ridiculous. Thank goodness Joffrey is not around anymore. That actor stopped acting for a long time and went to college, saying that the harassment he got from GOT fans was a huge reason why. Not only were people sending him nasty DMS and telling him that he should kill himself on his SM, they were actually going up to him IN PERSON and saying horrible things, and it wasn't like they were saying "OMG, Joffrey is so evil, I love to hate him" it was personal comments about him as a person. Fandoms have always been messy with some people not being able to tell the difference between a character and the actual person but SM has made it so much worse. It's terrible the things people say to others from behind a keyboard, and in a lot of cases the cruelty IS the point.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 26, 2024 20:50:37 GMT
r Thank goodness Joffrey is not around anymore. That actor stopped acting for a long time and went to college, saying that the harassment he got from GOT fans was a huge reason why. Not only were people sending him nasty DMS and telling him that he should kill himself on his SM, they were actually going up to him IN PERSON and saying horrible things, and it wasn't like they were saying "OMG, Joffrey is so evil, I love to hate him" it was personal comments about him as a person. Fandoms have always been messy with some people not being able to tell the difference between a character and the actual person but SM has made it so much worse. It's terrible the things people say to others from behind a keyboard, and in a lot of cases the cruelty IS the point. What is so weird after reading about this last night I was poking around the internet and there was an interview about the actor playing Joffrey with him saying that the GOT fans were always nice to him. mmmmmmmmmmmm?
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Post by Critical on Jun 27, 2024 2:41:32 GMT
The hate that actress is getting is seriously out of order. I can understand being upset because Francesca and John were mad cute together, and it would have been nice to have the writers ignore what happens in the book and give them a happy ending. What I'm seeing is a lot of fans using this as an excuse to let their bigot flags fly (racial, sexual orientation, all of the above, etc) and they're directing that hatred to someone who signed on to do a job, for Pete's sake. It's the same reason why that guy on House of the Dragon had to limit comments on his social media recently; some people can't quite grasp the concept that these are actors DOING A JOB. Some people really need to get offline, go outside, and touch grass. SO many people commenting, "I'm not a racist/homophobe, but..." [watch me totally be one right now]. It's sickening. I understand being disappointed about changes to a book you love, but honestly, these books are not great literature. They're fine, but it's not like freaking Shakespeare or something (which people change and adapt all the time!). I should say that I am not a romance reader. I have a friend who's a romance novelist (more romantic comedy) and I love her books, but that's it. I'm likely not the audience for the Julia Quinn books. Still, there's a fair amount of problematic male behavior that would never fly in the show.
This morning, I saw a comment on a Bridgerton-focused FB group where a white woman said Netflix should have put a warning (like she's been triggered ) to let viewers know that the show is focused on inclusion and representation and not historically accurate so that she can make the decision not to watch. That went over just as well as you'd expect. Bigots gonna bigot, I guess.
As for the people attacking actors on their social media over a role, that's just dirtbag behavior. They should be ashamed and yeah, touch grass.
Re: Jack Gleeson, I hadn't heard anything about him being harassed online. From everything I'd heard, he's a big sweetheart and in the few things I've seen of him, he's lovely. The total opposite of Joffrey in every way. IIRC, he stepped back from acting because he didn't like the attention/fame aspect of it and not because people were mean to him. Very few actors ever experience GOT-level attention and he didn't like it. He started a theater company and I think he's been doing stage work.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 27, 2024 3:47:41 GMT
The hate that actress is getting is seriously out of order. I can understand being upset because Francesca and John were mad cute together, and it would have been nice to have the writers ignore what happens in the book and give them a happy ending. What I'm seeing is a lot of fans using this as an excuse to let their bigot flags fly (racial, sexual orientation, all of the above, etc) and they're directing that hatred to someone who signed on to do a job, for Pete's sake. It's the same reason why that guy on House of the Dragon had to limit comments on his social media recently; some people can't quite grasp the concept that these are actors DOING A JOB. Some people really need to get offline, go outside, and touch grass. SO many people commenting, "I'm not a racist/homophobe, but..." [watch me totally be one right now]. It's sickening. I understand being disappointed about changes to a book you love, but honestly, these books are not great literature. They're fine, but it's not like freaking Shakespeare or something (which people change and adapt all the time!). I should say that I am not a romance reader. I have a friend who's a romance novelist (more romantic comedy) and I love her books, but that's it. I'm likely not the audience for the Julia Quinn books. Still, there's a fair amount of problematic male behavior that would never fly in the show.
This morning, I saw a comment on a Bridgerton-focused FB group where a white woman said Netflix should have put a warning (like she's been triggered ) to let viewers know that the show is focused on inclusion and representation and not historically accurate so that she can make the decision not to watch. That went over just as well as you'd expect. Bigots gonna bigot, I guess.
As for the people attacking actors on their social media over a role, that's just dirtbag behavior. They should be ashamed and yeah, touch grass.
Re: Jack Gleeson, I hadn't heard anything about him being harassed online. From everything I'd heard, he's a big sweetheart and in the few things I've seen of him, he's lovely. The total opposite of Joffrey in every way. IIRC, he stepped back from acting because he didn't like the attention/fame aspect of it and not because people were mean to him. Very few actors ever experience GOT-level attention and he didn't like it. He started a theater company and I think he's been doing stage work.
Where has this person been the last 3 years. Bridgerton + Shondaland = pushing the boundaries.
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Post by Kao on Jun 27, 2024 7:47:39 GMT
rThat actor stopped acting for a long time and went to college, saying that the harassment he got from GOT fans was a huge reason why. Not only were people sending him nasty DMS and telling him that he should kill himself on his SM, they were actually going up to him IN PERSON and saying horrible things, and it wasn't like they were saying "OMG, Joffrey is so evil, I love to hate him" it was personal comments about him as a person. Fandoms have always been messy with some people not being able to tell the difference between a character and the actual person but SM has made it so much worse. It's terrible the things people say to others from behind a keyboard, and in a lot of cases the cruelty IS the point. What is so weird after reading about this last night I was poking around the internet and there was an interview about the actor playing Joffrey with him saying that the GOT fans were always nice to him. mmmmmmmmmmmm? Hmmm indeed. I definitely read that years ago but it's entirely possible he feels differently about the experience now?
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Post by libgirl2 on Jun 27, 2024 16:38:42 GMT
The hate that actress is getting is seriously out of order. I can understand being upset because Francesca and John were mad cute together, and it would have been nice to have the writers ignore what happens in the book and give them a happy ending. What I'm seeing is a lot of fans using this as an excuse to let their bigot flags fly (racial, sexual orientation, all of the above, etc) and they're directing that hatred to someone who signed on to do a job, for Pete's sake. It's the same reason why that guy on House of the Dragon had to limit comments on his social media recently; some people can't quite grasp the concept that these are actors DOING A JOB. Some people really need to get offline, go outside, and touch grass.
This morning, I saw a comment on a Bridgerton-focused FB group where a white woman said Netflix should have put a warning (like she's been triggered ) to let viewers know that the show is focused on inclusion and representation and not historically accurate so that she can make the decision not to watch. That went over just as well as you'd expect. Bigots gonna bigot, I guess.
A warning? Did she not read about it or see what it would be about on TV? I didn't go into it expecting historical accuracy just make it believable enough.
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Post by Critical on Jun 27, 2024 21:35:03 GMT
Where has this person been the last 3 years. Bridgerton + Shondaland = pushing the boundaries. Oh, people are dumb I saw a post from another woman who was confused. She wanted to know why, if the show was set in the Regency Era, were they dancing to Madonna's "Material Girl." They used that song in SEASON 2, which means she watched aaaaalll of season 1 and nothing clicked. I wanted to point out that the women also wear glitter eye shadow and don't have hair on their legs or underarms (among many other modern and decidedly non-Regency touches). Go with it.
These are the people they make the warning labels on hair dryers for.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 28, 2024 0:21:55 GMT
Where has this person been the last 3 years. Bridgerton + Shondaland = pushing the boundaries. Oh, people are dumb I saw a post from another woman who was confused. She wanted to know why, if the show was set in the Regency Era, were they dancing to Madonna's "Material Girl." They used that song in SEASON 2, which means she watched aaaaalll of season 1 and nothing clicked. I wanted to point out that the women also wear glitter eye shadow and don't have hair on their legs or underarms (among many other modern and decidedly non-Regency touches). Go with it.
These are the people they make the warning labels on hair dryers for.
Did this person honestly think Queen Charlotte was a person of color? In England? In the 1820's? Was this person confusing Queen Charlotte with Megan Markle?
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 28, 2024 1:41:59 GMT
Julia Quinn posted a statement on her FB page regarding the whole Michael issue. There are a large number of very unhappy comments. Several people don't want to watch anymore. Accusations of selling out. I don't know how this will all turn out when it is said and done. Do people not understand that once an author sells the film rights of their books what the producers decide to do with it is out of their hands?
JK Rowling is the exception as her Harry Potter books were so huge and the film rights were so in demand she got herself an executive producer position for the movies and a say in the films, very rare occurrence.
Normally, once a production company has the film rights if they want to make your character a purple people eater, well you are are purple people eater.
People can be sooooo dumb and social media only showcases the point.
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Post by Critical on Jun 28, 2024 2:00:57 GMT
Oh, people are dumb I saw a post from another woman who was confused. She wanted to know why, if the show was set in the Regency Era, were they dancing to Madonna's "Material Girl." They used that song in SEASON 2, which means she watched aaaaalll of season 1 and nothing clicked. I wanted to point out that the women also wear glitter eye shadow and don't have hair on their legs or underarms (among many other modern and decidedly non-Regency touches). Go with it.
These are the people they make the warning labels on hair dryers for.
Did this person honestly think Queen Charlotte was a person of color? In England? In the 1820's? Was this person confusing Queen Charlotte with Megan Markle? Actually, there is evidence that QC descended from a line of the Portuguese royal house that was Black. This is a really interesting read:
She did not, obviously, wear wigs with battery-powered swans
Still, yeah, how could they have watched that show and not realized it isn't meant to be a 100% accurate historical depiction? And really, they wouldn't know what that looked like anyway. Honestly, I just think people don't pay attention. They definitely didn't pat attention in history class. . I'll admit to not being that interested in history as a young person. Back then, the way history was taught, it was all (as one of my profs called it) "bullets and bayonets" - names, dates, battles...not as interesting as actual people. High school me would be shocked to know that I ended up with a degree in History
ETA: Even with the Harry Potter films, they left things out. It's just the way adaptations work. What works in print may not necessarily work on the screen. The HP books are infinitely better plotted and written than Julia Quinn's books. The show producers HAD to make changes.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 28, 2024 4:03:42 GMT
Did this person honestly think Queen Charlotte was a person of color? In England? In the 1820's? Was this person confusing Queen Charlotte with Megan Markle? Actually, there is evidence that QC descended from a line of the Portuguese royal house that was Black. This is a really interesting read:
She did not, obviously, wear wigs with battery-powered swans
Still, yeah, how could they have watched that show and not realized it isn't meant to be a 100% accurate historical depiction? And really, they wouldn't know what that looked like anyway. Honestly, I just think people don't pay attention. They definitely didn't pat attention in history class. . I'll admit to not being that interested in history as a young person. Back then, the way history was taught, it was all (as one of my profs called it) "bullets and bayonets" - names, dates, battles...not as interesting as actual people. High school me would be shocked to know that I ended up with a degree in History
ETA: Even with the Harry Potter films, they left things out. It's just the way adaptations work. What works in print may not necessarily work on the screen. The HP books are infinitely better plotted and written than Julia Quinn's books. The show producers HAD to make changes.
Any book adaption has to have changes because a book, a written physical medium is not a visual medium like film. I do like limited series as that allows more of the book to be included.
There is also the fact that in the United States barely any world history is taught in grades 1 thru 12. I remember having Western (Civilization) History in 6th grade especially the Middle Ages. 7th grade was American history focusing on the discovery of the Americas, the establishment of the colonies, the War for Independence, and the Civil War and it stopped there. 8th grade was reserved for State History. We never got to the Industrial Revolution or the World Wars, much less what happened in other countries. I never did understand why World War I & II are not taught in high school as all of those world events pivoted the US to being a world power and it is amazing that we don't teach our kids about it.
I learned a lot about the Regency Period from reading romances and doing additional reading about the era. Who doesn't like the Scarlet Pimpernal or the more recent The Secret History of the Pink Carnation (Pink Carnation, #1) by Lauren Willig. That is a series I wouldn't mind watching.
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Post by Critical on Jun 28, 2024 4:25:34 GMT
Bearcata - I don't think, even in college, especially in a big survey course, any professor of mine ever got to the end of the course material laid out in the syllabus. I remember being tested on the Reagan years in a GE US History course (probably Civil War or Reconstruction to the 1980s) and being glad I'd actually lived through them because she never lectured about any of it! I LOVED the Lauren Willig series. I'm not a romance reader, but I loved those books. If we're talking Regency, it's all about Austen for me. She's the gold standard. I watched the new season of Perfect Match this past week and OY, what a dumpster fire. It's so clear that none of these people go on any show like this to find love. They're just desperate to be on TV so they can increase their sm following. I find most of them so mind-numbingly dull. It's interesting that Netflix seems to be getting more Showtime series after their run is finished. I'm hoping we'll see Billions soon. I canceled my Showtime ages ago, but I'd like to see the final season.
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Post by Bearcata on Jun 28, 2024 6:00:22 GMT
Bearcata - I don't think, even in college, especially in a big survey course, any professor of mine ever got to the end of the course material laid out in the syllabus. I remember being tested on the Reagan years in a GE US History course (probably Civil War or Reconstruction to the 1980s) and being glad I'd actually lived through them because she never lectured about any of it! I LOVED the Lauren Willig series. I'm not a romance reader, but I loved those books. If we're talking Regency, it's all about Austen for me. She's the gold standard. I watched the new season of Perfect Match this past week and OY, what a dumpster fire. It's so clear that none of these people go on any show like this to find love. They're just desperate to be on TV so they can increase their sm following. I find most of them so mind-numbingly dull.It's interesting that Netflix seems to be getting more Showtime series after their run is finished. I'm hoping we'll see Billions soon. I canceled my Showtime ages ago, but I'd like to see the final season. MTV's Challenge is having the same problem, they are casting people based on how many followers they have on social media. So many of these people are so dumb and boring and they so don't want to offend or have an make any kind of move in the game that it stagnates the show. The only reason All Stars 4 was so interesting was having players that had been on the old Road Rules and Real World cast and they had personalities. You may not like them. Some exhibit very nasty behavior but they are entertaining and not boring.
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Post by Mikesgirl on Jul 4, 2024 1:23:57 GMT
New Season of The Mole is on Netflix, with Arie Shapiro (NPR) as host. They are in Malaysia this time. There are so many people I dislike, it’s hard for me to be neutral.
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Post by waywyrd on Jul 6, 2024 11:36:12 GMT
Beverly Hills Cop: Axel F - I had low expectations, but this was really fun! Definitely made for those of us old enough to have enjoyed the original movies, they did well in keeping the 80's action/comedy feel and brought the old gang back for some nostalgia. I wasn't sure about it in the first 10-15 minutes, but then it got rolling.
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Post by Critical on Jul 7, 2024 9:16:56 GMT
Beverly Hills Cop: Axel F - I had low expectations, but this was really fun! Definitely made for those of us old enough to have enjoyed the original movies, they did well in keeping the 80's action/comedy feel and brought the old gang back for some nostalgia. I wasn't sure about it in the first 10-15 minutes, but then it got rolling. I watched it tonight. It was fun! Not up to the level of the first movie, but it was entertaining.
Has anyone else watched The Man with 1000 Kids? Holy crap. I can't believe this guy got away with it for so long.
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Post by Kao on Jul 7, 2024 16:38:21 GMT
Beverly Hills Cop: Axel F - I had low expectations, but this was really fun! Definitely made for those of us old enough to have enjoyed the original movies, they did well in keeping the 80's action/comedy feel and brought the old gang back for some nostalgia. I wasn't sure about it in the first 10-15 minutes, but then it got rolling. I watched it tonight. It was fun! Not up to the level of the first movie, but it was entertaining.
Has anyone else watched The Man with 1000 Kids? Holy crap. I can't believe this guy got away with it for so long.
Haven't watched it, but isn't the premise that he's a donor and a lot of people picked his sperm?
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Post by Critical on Jul 7, 2024 22:36:44 GMT
I watched it tonight. It was fun! Not up to the level of the first movie, but it was entertaining.
Has anyone else watched The Man with 1000 Kids? Holy crap. I can't believe this guy got away with it for so long.
Haven't watched it, but isn't the premise that he's a donor and a lot of people picked his sperm? Oh, it's way worse than that. Homeboy traveled THE WORLD making donations at sperm banks. The estimated number of children as a result of those donations is between 600 and 3000! The sperm banks require donors to sign paperwork affirming that they aren't donating to any other facilities, but that's never checked: it's just an honors system situation. Obviously, he lied, and he wasn't the only one.
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Post by libgirl2 on Jul 8, 2024 18:11:17 GMT
Haven't watched it, but isn't the premise that he's a donor and a lot of people picked his sperm? Oh, it's way worse than that. Homeboy traveled THE WORLD making donations at sperm banks. The estimated number of children as a result of those donations is between 600 and 3000! The sperm banks require donors to sign paperwork affirming that they aren't donating to any other facilities, but that's never checked: it's just an honors system situation. Obviously, he lied, and he wasn't the only one. He also seemed to contact people directly and not go thru a sperm bank. He even slept with the one woman. We only saw episode one, so I'm not sure if he did with any others, but I remember he offered to that one married woman.
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Post by Bearcata on Jul 8, 2024 19:27:04 GMT
Family Affair with Nicole Kidman and Zac Affron was very good. Well, I enjoyed it.
Really liked seeing three women at different stages in their life, the daughter, the mother, the mother-in-law.
It's has a lot of negative reviews on Google review saying it was not a rom com and there was no chemistry between the leads, but I think folks are expecting too much. It was not over the top sex like Bridgerton, thank you for that. But it was fun and better than I thought it would be.
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