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Post by mayamaisha on Aug 19, 2021 4:19:12 GMT
Why are they so scared of Erika?
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Post by FannyMare on Aug 19, 2021 4:45:03 GMT
Why are they so scared of Erika? Sutton doesn't appear to be, or Garcelle. I love those two, and Crystal says very little, but she's thinking. Erika looked gawd awful, so much makeup..yuck! I'm so tired..well being a burn victim waiting for skin grafts is so very tiring.. It's all about the victims( not the one Erika is playing) ..she wonders where the money went, with a glam squad, a plane, music videos etc. etc. ..come on.. Rinna and Teddi.. shudder.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 19, 2021 10:48:31 GMT
They are scared of Erica because she's intelligent and talks directly. They are used to people being overly polite and talking in circles, and don't know how to respond when Erica responds to them with very direct questions.
There's that rule for support that says the more impacted a person is by a crisis, the closer to the center of a circle they are. Complaints and concerns can go out of the circle, but they can't go in - so the more impacted person does not listen to complaints and offer comfort to the less impacted people. If you were to draw the circle for this crisis, the victims would be in the center. Erica and Tom would be outside of that, tthen their family and staffs, then friends and the Housewives. The mistake that Sutton and Dorit made at that dinner was that they put their complaints inward. They were telling Erica that their images were of equal concern to Erica's life being turned upside down. I think they looked like a-holes for it.
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Post by momrek06 on Aug 19, 2021 19:12:12 GMT
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Post by acookertv on Aug 19, 2021 19:24:43 GMT
I think that when Erica talked about rats and cowards, she was talking about the women who went running when times got tough. You're right - those same womens have sat and listened and supported her in the previous weeks as she's been talkin about the divorce. But things took a turn the day after she left Palm Springs when the article came out. That's when everything shifted from being a story about a woman getting divorced from a man being accused of some shady business dealings to a scandal where it was suggested that she may have been in on it having stolen money funneled to her.
So she sat at that dinner and learned that all of the friends who had said she could lean on them had gathered without her to discuss her a couple of nights before. She learned that some of those friends were concerned enough about being with her that they consulted lawyers to figure out if they would carry any liability. You describe it as she leaned on them and then turned on them and called them cowards and rats. As I see it, they told her she could lean on them, and then turned on her when it got uncomfortable.
Truly, it's absurd nonsense for any of the women to worry that they could be implicated in any crimes. That's silliness. For it to have any stretch of being a realistic concern, Erica would not only have to be in on everything, but to be a kingpin that brought in more people to launder money. Sorry, I can understand completely why Erica would be turned off by that and call some of them cowards and rats.
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Post by Punkin on Aug 19, 2021 21:25:25 GMT
It's absurd nonsense to suggest these women are worried about being implicated in the grift. They are rightly concerned about their reputations if they fail to distance themselves from the woman who is reported to be hiding $20 million in stolen settlement monies from plaintiffs. Erica cares nothing about these victims, caring only about having the money to keep her trashy, money draining vanity showbiz 'career' going. If some of these ladies are decent enough to worry about the victims, good for them! Erica can call them cowards and rats, but she'll not lose Rinna. They seem to share the same values.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 19, 2021 21:28:48 GMT
Punkin, help me to understand why we should not take Sutton at her word? She said that she consulted a lawyer to understand her liability. Are you saying that in Beverly Hills, there are reputation attorneys who will advise if action is totally legal, but will make you look bad on a board?
It shocks me that I would look to Brandi Glanville for wisdom on this, but i think she got it exactly right last night on Bravo's Chat Room -- if any of these women are concerned about the impact of their reputations in high society and on boards they serve on, step one should be to get off the show.
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Post by FannyMare on Aug 19, 2021 21:45:37 GMT
It's absurd nonsense to suggest these women are worried about being implicated in the grift. They are rightly concerned about their reputations if they fail to distance themselves from the woman who is reported to be hiding $20 million in stolen settlement monies from plaintiffs. Erica cares nothing about these victims, caring only about having the money to keep her trashy, money draining vanity showbiz 'career' going. If some of these ladies are decent enough to worry about the victims, good for them! Erica can call them cowards and rats, but she'll not lose Rinna. They seem to share the same values. Dorit had money problems and the cast had to testify didn't they? or were going to. I can't remember, allegedly the boring Dorit still has problems..Rinna is the rat, she should own it! LOL
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Post by acookertv on Aug 19, 2021 22:01:07 GMT
I don't recall the women being brought in to Dorit's case. The only one that I recall other women being involved with was when Tamra and Shannon were sued in OC. But that lawsuit was also related to their followings from the show.
Dorit has faced legal concerns. Kyle's husband has faced legal concerns. LVP faced legal concerns. It's possible that others did and we just didn't know about it (or I'm forgetting about them). That's why I think Teddi is exactly right - other people have gone through their own stuff, and they all know how it works.
I think that Dorit does not understand a thing that is going on, but knows she wants to be right in the middle of it. I think that Sutton sees an opportunity to push Erica away and take over the role of southern blonde on the show. I think Rinna is scared of Erica, knows that since her and Harry's place in BH is secured by stardom they're fine, especially if the show gets bigger. And I think Kyle wants really badly to be perceived as a loyal friend to Erica but does not want to risk voicing support and regretting it, so she's just going to keep on making sympathetic faces and hoping Erica gives her credit for that. And I think Garcelle is going to milk the grudge she's holding over getting called out for doing producer's dirty work as a reason to not support Erica but not look bad.
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Post by pasnowbunny2 on Aug 20, 2021 2:00:44 GMT
Rumor has it that Tom & Erika invested in Rinna Lips hence her staunch defense of Erika.
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Post by momrek06 on Aug 20, 2021 2:05:56 GMT
REVEALED: RHOBY star Erika Jayne 'spent $25M from her estranged husband Tom Girardi's law firm on her glam squad, PR firms, a dance agency and $14M in AmEx purchases'www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9910441/RHOBY-star-Erika-Jayne-spent-25M-estranged-husband-Tom-Girardis-law-firm.htmlFrom 2008 to 2020, Jayne allegedly spent $14,259,012.84 on her American Express card and $1,417,587.50 on unknown purchases - as well as $1,532,774.88 on an agency for dancers and choreographers, the McDonald Selznick Associates Agency. Her company reportedly paid $102,596.77 to Kim Kardashian's former executive assistant Stephanie Shepherd. EJ Global reportedly paid $17,415 to Opus Beauty - a management agency that represents make-up artists, stylists and costume designers - and $1,000 to influential makeup artist Mario Dedivanoic.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 20, 2021 2:13:19 GMT
Rumor has it that Tom & Erika invested in Rinna Lips hence her staunch defense of Erika. That sounds like the kind of rumor that starts with one person watching the show saying “what, did Erica invest in Rinnas business?” and it gets repeated until the question mark is removed.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 20, 2021 2:15:17 GMT
REVEALED: RHOBY star Erika Jayne 'spent $25M from her estranged husband Tom Girardi's law firm on her glam squad, PR firms, a dance agency and $14M in AmEx purchases'www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9910441/RHOBY-star-Erika-Jayne-spent-25M-estranged-husband-Tom-Girardis-law-firm.htmlFrom 2008 to 2020, Jayne allegedly spent $14,259,012.84 on her American Express card and $1,417,587.50 on unknown purchases - as well as $1,532,774.88 on an agency for dancers and choreographers, the McDonald Selznick Associates Agency. Her company reportedly paid $102,596.77 to Kim Kardashian's former executive assistant Stephanie Shepherd. EJ Global reportedly paid $17,415 to Opus Beauty - a management agency that represents make-up artists, stylists and costume designers - and $1,000 to influential makeup artist Mario Dedivanoic. Hasn’t she been openly admitting to this for all her years on the show? I think the Daily Mails next big reveal is going to be that neither her hair color or boobs are natural!
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Post by FannyMare on Aug 20, 2021 4:19:43 GMT
Rumor has it that Tom & Erika invested in Rinna Lips hence her staunch defense of Erika. They have the same accountant don't they? She's so far Erika's @ss, her nose is brown..I can't stand either of them. They put themselves out there, we as individuals , can believe them or not.. Rinna was on WWHL , Erika didn't give her any money, she has another partner she works with.
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Post by woodiedog on Aug 20, 2021 8:45:33 GMT
REVEALED: RHOBY star Erika Jayne 'spent $25M from her estranged husband Tom Girardi's law firm on her glam squad, PR firms, a dance agency and $14M in AmEx purchases'www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9910441/RHOBY-star-Erika-Jayne-spent-25M-estranged-husband-Tom-Girardis-law-firm.htmlFrom 2008 to 2020, Jayne allegedly spent $14,259,012.84 on her American Express card and $1,417,587.50 on unknown purchases - as well as $1,532,774.88 on an agency for dancers and choreographers, the McDonald Selznick Associates Agency. Yikes! I guess it was expensive being EJ! Who puts $14 million on AmEx?
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Post by stargazer161 on Aug 20, 2021 13:23:04 GMT
Why are they so scared of Erika? Very disappointed on how Dorit switched her story and was not on the same page as Sutton. They should have ALL said their truths and asked questions. Erika is garbage.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 20, 2021 14:25:35 GMT
I was surprised that anyone truly expected Dorit to be as tough to Erica's face as she was behind her back. To me, she was exactly the same woman she's been for as long as she's been on the show. She's fake! She's not going to change now.
I think the problem was that Sutton came into the discussion at Dorit's house with an agenda, and believed that if she made her case with all the women that they'd all be on board to join her and back what she had to say. None of them ever agreed to that. It goes back to the fight in Palm Springs and Erica leaving. When she walked outside, Kyle, Rinna and Dorit went with her. Garcelle observed that all the women who had been around a while were with her and the newbies were left inside. Well first off, the women who went outside chose to get up and go with Erica. There was no special invite. So if Garcelle, Sutton or Crystal wanted to be part of that, they could have been. But what else it said to them was that those three women support Erica and are going to be there for her. Sp I think it was naive and unrealistic for Sutton to expect that they'd turn on her just because Sutton wanted to protect her status with charity boards.
For that reason, I think they all did say their truths at the dinner. Some of them want information and are suspicious of Erica. Others choose to stand with her until they are given more of a reason not to. Sutton's mistake was believing she'd convinced anyone to come to her side.
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Post by amber on Aug 20, 2021 14:31:13 GMT
Watching how Rinna, Kyle and Dorit remaining supportive of Erika no matter what explains volumes as to what Denise and LVP were up against when these same women relentlessly attacked them.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 20, 2021 14:33:06 GMT
It's terrible isn't it? Friends who stand by their friends in tough times? Who'd want a friend like that!
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Post by amber on Aug 21, 2021 5:32:00 GMT
Kate Casey podcast with the two LA Times reporters weighing in on the last RHOBH episode. Within, they call out Erika for "reinventing the narrative", identify Sutton as the most financially literate of the Housewives, which, btw, contradicts Rinna, who during this week's appearance on WWHL, referred to Sutton as not knowledgably about business. Ep. - 385 - GIRARDI CASE UPDATE LOS ANGELES TIMES REPORTERS HARRIET RYAN AND MATT HAMILTON Reality Life with Kate Casey Worth the listen after 6 minutes in. podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-385-girardi-case-update-los-angeles-times-reporters/id1154758766?i=1000532355011
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Post by amber on Aug 21, 2021 16:26:30 GMT
My thoughts...
We know why Erika is lying ... she doesn't want to pay back the millions of dollars she flushed down the toilet, creating her no-talent-entertainment career, but why is Rinna carrying so much water for Erika? We know Rinna is not a loyal friend so there must be a financial reason behind her lying for Erika. Or, has it to do with the Rinna-Erika-Dorit-Kyle anti-LVP/anti-Denise alliances?
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Post by JustJuls on Aug 21, 2021 18:17:07 GMT
Kathy Hilton is everything I need and more
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Post by momrek06 on Aug 21, 2021 18:37:43 GMT
Kathy Hilton is everything I need and more Kathy has been such a pleasure on the show. No drama at all. And she is hysterical to be around. Seeing their (Kyle and Kathy's fun loving sisterly relationship) I was sad when Kyle disclosed to us they had a lengthy time in their relationship that they did not speak.
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Post by momrek06 on Aug 24, 2021 1:09:21 GMT
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Post by prism on Aug 24, 2021 12:35:56 GMT
Can Ericka Girardi be successfully prosecuted - civil or criminal - without her signature on damning documents or video of her admitting felony? Without that, her involvement may fall short of the kind of proof that put the Giudice felon in prison…. ? Anyone know how this works?
Catching up here, and fascinated. Apparently Ericka filed a claim for some $600k for her “share’ of the Pasadena house sale proceeds. Oh, that’s cold. She’s shown she possesses millions & millions of $$$ “worth” of jewelry; Cartier panthere rings, diamonds, whatever. And spent some $25 million of the money Tom G. embezzled, with no record of making payments on the loan. Read that Tom was worth some $2-300 million. No one in their right mind would think Tom actually earned THAT much money in commissions,
I’m holding off - whether I believe she committed prosecutable fraud. But, sheesh, she is a wickedly hateful and brutal b*tch of a woman; so cold, cruel, calculating, lacking in empathy - no humanity in that empty shell.
On the show: Garcelle and Sutton look like the only decent women in the room.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 24, 2021 12:44:40 GMT
Sorry, I will never describe a woman who tries to rally a group of friends around kicking out a member of the group when she's down as a decent woman.
Are you certain that Erica owns all that jewelry?
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Post by acookertv on Aug 24, 2021 17:59:00 GMT
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Post by JustJuls on Aug 24, 2021 19:27:58 GMT
Sutton? Decent? She would throw everyone under the bus or off a cliff, into a ring of fire or whatever just to uphold her image
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Post by FannyMare on Aug 24, 2021 20:19:43 GMT
Some left on the cutting room floor, are on twitter. I love Sutton and Garcelle. If anything Teddi said mattered, she'd still be on the show..
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Post by acookertv on Aug 24, 2021 20:56:33 GMT
I think Teddi's greatest value to the show is being a truth teller that tells the other women what they don't want to hear - like at the dinner where she brought up the legal concerns other women have had. But that alone can't sustain castmember status. I wish they'd have her come around more to have friend status.
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