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Post by acookertv on Sept 4, 2021 18:37:56 GMT
I have not seen anyone around here suggesting that Tom had no idea. The question is whether or not Erica knew. For her to know would have required Tom to disclose it to her or for her to have investigated. I think Tom telling her is unlikely given that we watched him traceability g her like a trophy wife who didn’t have to know. For her to have dug into it would require both ability and access, and I find both of those to be unlikely. Time will tell, but I think it requires a lot more stretching to conclude she did know than to believe that she didn’t. The bigger question to me is this - once Erica found out, did she take action to protect herself or both of them. What she’s presenting on the show is that she only protected herself. That’s the part I think she COULD be dishonest about - time will tell.
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Post by amber on Sept 4, 2021 20:51:57 GMT
From the Juicy Scoop video I posted, Kim Archie says she believes Tom and Erika are coordinating their activities. She said ...
"Tom was the “smartest person that [Erika] had in her life, before, during or after. So, how would [Erika] plan this escape from this disaster without Tom helping her escape? … The best person to help you escape is the person who made the disaster. They know the way out. The best defense for Tom is that he is of diminished capacity. (And notice [Erika] said that! What everyday person uses the legal terms diminished capacity or mental capacity? [Instead,] someone would say like, oh, their starting to lose their memory, they're getting dementia, not remembering stuff.)
"[Diminished capacity] is a specific legal term that if that were to be proven, then [if} criminal issues that could come along later, [it] would make it tough for him to be have to be able to stand [trial against] any kind of criminal stuff. I don’t mean that an alibi is meant to exonerate him of the 40 years of things that he did wrong to clients, [but] it is meant to keep him from going to jail at 80 something years old. I certainly think that she’s working in tandem with him as nothing else makes any sense whatsoever."
"I can imagine that even for her that Tom being broke was shocking and I could see her little cry fits. I mean, that alone is devastating for her to think like, you signed up for this type of marriage and you had certain expectations. Whether people think it's lovely or romantic or whatever, it doesn't matter. You still have an attachment, you still have a history and you still had expectations and guess what? It all blew up and sadly, she thought she had no prenup which meant she was going to get money at the end of the day and, instead, she owes his debt. I don't think people realize that in California we don't have to prove she committed fraud. She's on the hook [because] it's a community property state so just like she could get some money that she earned, she also owes his debt."
Archie then mentioned that if Erika didn’t participate in Tom's fraud (which is what Archie assumes), during the course of Bankruptcy Erika might be able to have the unsecured victims debt charged off (effectively deleted), along with with the unsecured debts that Tom owes to various attorneys, but that she is hopeful the Trustees will be able to prevent the charging off of the victims' debt.
There is one victim, PG&E gas fire victim, Joseph Ruigomez, that went to court prior to Tom being forced into bankruptcy and had his debt elevated and recorded as secured.
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 4, 2021 22:10:22 GMT
So wait. Is Erika really smart? Or is she really dumb?
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Post by amber on Sept 4, 2021 23:34:33 GMT
Kim Archie believes the Tom's car wreck happened because afterwards, he missed an important annual big event in Vegas that he would never have missed except for bruises on his face. She also noticed a cognitive difference in Tom not able to "connect the dots all the way" and cited her unfinished projects with Tom.
Also, it was not a secret and everyone, including Erika, knew Tom cheated. In fact, the main mistress (the blonde with the blurred face in various published photos) would sit with Erika and Tom and even travel with the two of them to out of town events.
The difference between Erika and the other women Tom flirted or cheated with is that the other women were educated business professionals and Erika wasn't. Archie feels Erika outing the Judge's long-term and years-ago affair with Tom had more to do about the text messages exposing the Judge acting like a sugar baby than about being angry with Tom.
Finally, Archie says Erika eventually stopped attending the firm's holiday get-togethers and events after joining Housewives and that Erika mostly stayed at the rented clubhouse apartment instead of Tom's Pasadena home.
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 4, 2021 23:57:37 GMT
Interesting...I feel like there is more likelihood that the judge knew about Tom's dealings than Erika Erika was the eye candy...not the trusted confidant.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 5, 2021 0:12:49 GMT
Kim Archie believes the Tom's car wreck happened because afterwards, he missed an important annual big event in Vegas that he would never have miss except for bruises on his face noticed a cognitive difference in Tom not able to "connect the dots all the way" and cited her unfinished projects with Tom. Also, it was not a secret and everyone, including Erika, knew Tom cheated. In fact, the main mistress (the blond with the blurred face in various published photos) would sit with Erika and Tom and even travel with the two of them to out of town events. The difference between Erika and the other women Tom flirted or cheated with is that the other women were business professionals and educated and Erika wasn't. Archie feels Erika outing the Judge's long-term and years-ago affair with Tom was more about embarrassing the Judge for acting like a sugar baby than being angry with Tom. Finally, Archie says Erika eventually stopped attending firm holiday get-togethers and events after joining Housewives and mostly stayed at the clubhouse apartment she rented instead of the Pasadena home. Interesting. I still wonder if Erika, is hiding any assets.
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Post by amber on Sept 5, 2021 0:21:22 GMT
So wait. Is Erika really smart? Or is she really dumb? If to be completely honest and without any intent to insult any other poster on this thread, I can honestly say (1) I don't know anyone that believes Erika masterminded anything, (2) nor do I believe anyone believes Erika is behaving appropriately to the news of what Tom has done. Moreover, after this week's episode AND reading Erika's Wednesday night tweets, she appears to be of the exact same mindset today as when the episode filmed 8 or so months ago. Given how much time has passed and how much more we know at this point, isn't Erika exhibiting signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder? www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662I no longer see her behavior having anything to do with legal strategy and, instead, it appears she truly believes she is the true victim of all that has gone on and doesn't give a f*ck about anyone else.
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Post by amber on Sept 5, 2021 0:30:06 GMT
Kim Archie believes the Tom's car wreck happened because afterwards, he missed an important annual big event in Vegas that he would never have miss except for bruises on his face noticed a cognitive difference in Tom not able to "connect the dots all the way" and cited her unfinished projects with Tom. Also, it was not a secret and everyone, including Erika, knew Tom cheated. In fact, the main mistress (the blond with the blurred face in various published photos) would sit with Erika and Tom and even travel with the two of them to out of town events. The difference between Erika and the other women Tom flirted or cheated with is that the other women were business professionals and educated and Erika wasn't. Archie feels Erika outing the Judge's long-term and years-ago affair with Tom was more about embarrassing the Judge for acting like a sugar baby than being angry with Tom. Finally, Archie says Erika eventually stopped attending firm holiday get-togethers and events after joining Housewives and mostly stayed at the clubhouse apartment she rented instead of the Pasadena home. Interesting. I still wonder if Erika, is hiding any assets. Of course she's hiding assets. How else is she able to pay for an assistant, the glam squad, the $10k a month rent, the $100k car AND $600,000 legal fees retainers? She's not being paid that much from doing Housewives and her other little side jobs.
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Post by prism on Sept 5, 2021 1:24:43 GMT
You don’t need to think Erika is a lovely woman to find it perfectly plausible that she had no interest in and no information about how precisely Tom made his money. Law firms have particular ways of parceling out profits to partners and associates and even if she had known at one point how this worked it isn’t at all clear that she had her finger on the pulse of how that may have been handled as power dynamics and relative profit-producing dynamics shifted. But this is not any law firm this was Tom's. Tom controlled the purse strings. He did not have to answer to anyone. Tom did not have to wait until someone "parceled out profits to partners and associates". Tom just helped himself to the "victims" money. And yet EJ who worked there at one point had NO IDEA...........whatever. The victims called and wrote to the law firm DAILY looking for their money. The victims were waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting...........still years and years later they received nothing. While Tom and EJ are enjoying all their money ($26 million) from mansions, to private planes, glam squads, jewels, furs etc etc Early in Erika's bleats about her divorce, she said "I love and respect Tom." Later she called him every kind of mf name... for what he's doing to HER. Which is the lie? On one RH episode, sitting at a dinner table with castmates, Erika made a weak agreement to one of the castmates statement about what a horrible thing for the victims.... Erika responded "of course it's about the victims" [paraphrasing here] - weak, aloof, unemotional, flat, so clearly not something that she cares about. Erika's words and actions while she knows cameras are rolling - wow, what a cruel and indifferent wench. I've no idea whether she's guilty or innocent, but the way she talks on the show, the way she treats others, the way she snarls and snaps and aggressively spews venom - her attempts to intimidate and destroy those who fail to worship her- she is one filthy thug who deserves no respect whatever. Happily the castmates she tries to destroy are retaining civility.... that Erika does not deserve, but it keeps them head and shoulders above her as human beings.
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 5, 2021 3:17:52 GMT
So wait. Is Erika really smart? Or is she really dumb? If to be completely honest and without any intent to insult any other poster on this thread, I can honestly say (1) I don't know anyone that believes Erika masterminded anything, (2) nor do I believe anyone believes Erika is behaving appropriately to the news of what Tom has done. Moreover, after this week's episode AND reading Erika's Wednesday night tweets, she appears to be of the exact same mindset today as when the episode filmed 8 or so months ago. Given how much time has passed and how much more we know at this point, isn't Erika exhibiting signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder? www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662I no longer see her behavior having anything to do with legal strategy and, instead, it appears she truly believes she is the true victim of all that has gone on and doesn't give a f*ck about anyone else. Well I'm just confused because it seems to go back and forth as to what people think.
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Post by sweetmermaid1 on Sept 5, 2021 12:43:37 GMT
First time chiming in on this and I've read everyone's opinions.....whether EJ knew where her $ was coming from or not she needs to stop trying to play the victim.
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Post by amber on Sept 5, 2021 15:29:55 GMT
First time chiming in on this and I've read everyone's opinions.....whether EJ knew where her $ was coming from or not she needs to stop trying to play the victim. I agree and rather certain we all agree. A few posts ago I referred to Erika of exhibiting what I consider to be narcissistic personality disorder behavior and linked to this Mayo Clinic article on the subject that describes the behavior. www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662My assumption is Tom is definitely a narcissist and, in the back of my mind, I pondered, can two narcissists live together and have a successful relationship? Apparently, the answer is yes. In fact, according to this Psychology Today article, the couple can become even more alike over time. www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201709/can-two-narcissists-ever-really-fall-in-loveI still believe Erika and Tom are working together to protect both of them. It is acookertv that first suggested this when Erika filed for divorce and, at the time, I couldn't have disagreed more. However, as time has passed, acookertv's early hypotheses has and continues to test out true, at least from my point of view. One more thing. For years I have thought that there's something really funny, but interesting, going on at Erika's wikipedia page. Since Tom's scandal, it has been scaled back to nothing; however, prior, the page reflected glowing reviews and read liked a resume. If to click wikipedia header's links to look back at the history of the page, the various contributors that have bloated up the page no longer exist; however, what they EACH HAVE IN COMMON is that they responds like children to criticism of their posts by the established wikipedia editors that have, from time to time, come in to edit and delete. I have always thought it was Erika's devout fan base editing her wikipedia page. But now as I look back at ALL THE EDITS, it's obviously that it is the same person building that page all along, posting under different pseudonyms and, at this point, I consider it a safe bet that the person is Erika. Yes, she's had help with spelling and grammar that has been cleaned up, but it is the same voice and must be her. Equally as interesting (to me) is that since the sandal, she tore down the page to what it might be considered appropriate to exist. In fact, it might be considered too scaled back. Anyway, my thoughts ...
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Post by amber on Sept 5, 2021 17:00:52 GMT
I have not seen anyone around here suggesting that Tom had no idea. The question is whether or not Erica knew. For her to know would have required Tom to disclose it to her or for her to have investigated. I think Tom telling her is unlikely given that we watched him traceability g her like a trophy wife who didn’t have to know. For her to have dug into it would require both ability and access, and I find both of those to be unlikely. Time will tell, but I think it requires a lot more stretching to conclude she did know than to believe that she didn’t. The bigger question to me is this - once Erica found out, did she take action to protect herself or both of them. What she’s presenting on the show is that she only protected herself. That’s the part I think she COULD be dishonest about - time will tell. Acooker, she knows. When did she find out? Who knows and who really cares? I don't think anyone really believes Erika has done anything criminal and that only how she is responding is disgusting. All that we know for certain (in my opinion) is Erika is not the mastermind of Tom's 4 decades of fraud. The important part of all of this (in my opinion) is, because of their marriage and lack of a prenup, we believed that Erika believed she is entitled to a share of assets, attorney fees and support. What we have come to learn is Tom hasn't any money (although any should be considered debatable, because we know Erika has access to a good amount of money) and Erika is responsible for Tom's secured debt. Is Erika and Tom strategizing and cooperating with each other's legal strategies behind the scenes to protect the both of them? I think they are. Kim Archie, during her last appearance on Juicy Scoop, made what I considered to be a profound and relevant comment: instead of what we should expect a layman to say, during the show Erika used legal terminology when defining what is going on with Tom. That and other occurrences and comments from Erika and Tom leads her to believe Erika and Tom are coordinating their efforts to protect the both of them behind the scenes. Thus, if Tom lacks the mental capacity to stand criminal trial and criminal punishment for having commit criminal frauds, then he won't go to trial or be jailed. Archie then said, this is not to be mistaken for an alibi for what he did, only that he avoids trial and time behind bars. Erika, during the show, went out of her way to validated his supposed dementia. Kim Archie also believes that Tom is helping direct Erika in strategy behind the scenes to avoid being held responsible for Tom's debts. In fact, Archie considers Tom to be the best person to advise Erika because he created the disaster that Erika has found herself in and Tom would know the best way out. BTW, Kimberly Archie is a legal consultant that worked with Tom at his firm for years. She is also a long-time friend to the (PG&E gas fire) Ruigomez family. She was extensively interviewed to carry the story during the recent Hulu/ABC documentary, The Housewife and the Hustler. I'm a daughter with a deceased parent that suffered from Alzheimer's and my other 97-year-old parent is still mentally and physically active, but has definitely slowed down. Anyway, I know the ins and outs of assisted living situations, including memory care. Do I think Tom should stand trial? Based upon what we know, probably not, but the legal system is not my world. Do I think Tom is capable of helping Erika strategize behind the scenes? Absolutely, yes. It could be that he struggles with dates, times and other small details, but the legal system is still Tom Girardi's life and what he knows.
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Post by annifran on Sept 5, 2021 18:32:21 GMT
Yesterday's L.A. Times Real Estate Section has an ad for their Pasadena mansion at a $1,000,000 price reduction, down to $8,900,000. 4 bedrooms, 9 baths. Online, there are 75 photos of their Los Altos Drive property, surprisingly none feminine looking at all, no woman's walk-in closet, only masculine-looking interiors.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 5, 2021 22:20:36 GMT
I have not seen anyone around here suggesting that Tom had no idea. The question is whether or not Erica knew. For her to know would have required Tom to disclose it to her or for her to have investigated. I think Tom telling her is unlikely given that we watched him traceability g her like a trophy wife who didn’t have to know. For her to have dug into it would require both ability and access, and I find both of those to be unlikely. Time will tell, but I think it requires a lot more stretching to conclude she did know than to believe that she didn’t. The bigger question to me is this - once Erica found out, did she take action to protect herself or both of them. What she’s presenting on the show is that she only protected herself. That’s the part I think she COULD be dishonest about - time will tell. Acooker, she knows. When did she find out? Who knows and who really cares? I don't think anyone really believes Erika has done anything criminal and that only how she is responding is disgusting. All that we know for certain (in my opinion) is Erika is not the mastermind of Tom's 4 decades of fraud. The important part of all of this (in my opinion) is, because of their marriage and lack of a prenup, we believed that Erika believed she is entitled to a share of assets, attorney fees and support. What we have come to learn is Tom hasn't any money (although any should be considered debatable, because we know Erika has access to a good amount of money) and Erika is responsible for Tom's secured debt. Is Erika and Tom strategizing and cooperating with each other's legal strategies behind the scenes to protect the both of them? I think they are. Kim Archie, during her last appearance on Juicy Scoop, made what I considered to be a profound and relevant comment: instead of what we should expect a layman to say, during the show Erika used legal terminology when defining what is going on with Tom. That and other occurrences and comments from Erika and Tom leads her to believe Erika and Tom are coordinating their efforts to protect the both of them behind the scenes. Thus, if Tom lacks the mental capacity to stand criminal trial and criminal punishment for having commit criminal frauds, then he won't go to trial or be jailed. Archie then said, this is not to be mistaken for an alibi for what he did, only that he avoids trial and time behind bars. Erika, during the show, went out of her way to validated his supposed dementia. Kim Archie also believes that Tom is helping direct Erika in strategy behind the scenes to avoid being held responsible for Tom's debts. In fact, Archie considers Tom to be the best person to advise Erika because he created the disaster that Erika has found herself in and Tom would know the best way out. BTW, Kimberly Archie is a legal consultant that worked with Tom at his firm for years. She is also a long-time friend to the (PG&E gas fire) Ruigomez family. She was extensively interviewed to carry the story during the recent Hulu/ABC documentary, The Housewife and the Hustler. I'm a daughter with a deceased parent that suffered from Alzheimer's and my other 97-year-old parent is still mentally and physically active, but has definitely slowed down. Anyway, I know the ins and outs of assisted living situations, including memory care. Do I think Tom should stand trial? Based upon what we know, probably not, but the legal system is not my world. Do I think Tom is capable of helping Erika strategize behind the scenes? Absolutely, yes. It could be that he struggles with dates, times and other small details, but the legal system is still Tom Girardi's life and what he knows. Oops, sorry. I was under the impression that it was okay for people to form their own opinions. Didn't realize that once you'd formed yours the discussion was over. Oh wait ... it's not. So I stand behind what I've said. I KNOW you see it differently Amber. But you saying it over and over again doesn't change anyting.
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Post by prism on Sept 6, 2021 19:17:12 GMT
Thanks, Amber, for adding new information supporting your view - you just may be right! I'm not reading enough outside this thread to form an opinion, other than to state over and over again that Erika is definitely a vicious thug from what we see of her on RHBH.
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 6, 2021 19:22:07 GMT
Enough with the snide comments everyone. I'm getting really tired of it all. Let's keep it to talking about what is actually happening ON THE SHOW.
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Post by Punkin on Sept 6, 2021 22:18:57 GMT
I thought that was what we were doing! Talking about EJ, whose storyline has eclipsed all other's this season. What else is HAPPENING on the show that you'll allow us to discuss?
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Post by JustJuls on Sept 6, 2021 22:50:49 GMT
It's gone above and beyond. I think we can all admit that. Let's talk about what happened at the dinner.
All that I'm reading is: my opinion is this. well my opinion is that.
We've heard all of our opinions on the matter. We know who dislikes Erika and we know who likes her. And we know all the reasons.
Let's talk about Kathy and her awesome butler and lighten the mood in here a little. Please.
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Post by amber on Sept 6, 2021 23:35:39 GMT
I loved Kathy's dinner. It brought back the feeling of the early years of RHOBH and reminded me of why the loss of LVP was so devastating. Without Kathy, we're only watching women pretending to be influential and affluent.
I'd love to see LVP and perhaps other BH OGs return!
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Post by acookertv on Sept 7, 2021 0:30:19 GMT
Kathy does definitely bring the style! I giggled when she mentioned having a friend who serves the same food on the same plates with the same guests every time she has a dinner party. I wondered if that friend was sitting at home thinking “oh dear, I always serve salmon. How dare she! “
I also giggled at Dorit devaluing she was in her element. If that’s her element why haven’t we ever seen her throw a dinner party like that?
It was a big step up from Denises pizza party with the ice sculpture!
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Post by prism on Sept 7, 2021 19:01:59 GMT
Repeatedly I've brought my comments to "what we see on RHBH" - each time in relation to new arrogance coming from Erika Girardi. It's a new disgrace every episode - and I repeatedly state that I don't know if she's innocent or guilty, but she does bring new revelations of her own mean self every episode.
Very few of us on this forum are engaged in RHBH issues. I'd like to see a few HW changes that bring light and interest.
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 7, 2021 19:15:29 GMT
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Post by acookertv on Sept 7, 2021 19:18:41 GMT
Olivia Wilde better be on full alert since Lisa Rinna already has her sights set on Harry Styles for Amelia!
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 7, 2021 19:25:51 GMT
I'd tell my mum to back off, it wasn't going anywhere imho. Harry was 14 years younger than his first wife..LOL
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Post by acookertv on Sept 7, 2021 19:39:24 GMT
I'd tell my mum to back off, it wasn't going anywhere imho. Harry was 14 years younger than his first wife..LOL Wasn't that the approach Lisa took? She said a couple of small things about not being thrilled about the relationship, which I think makes sense since people were talking about it. She "owned" it. But she truly did stay on the sidelines and let it play out knowing that Scott had a long trail of much younger ex girlfriends!
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 7, 2021 20:18:25 GMT
I'd tell my mum to back off, it wasn't going anywhere imho. Harry was 14 years younger than his first wife..LOL Wasn't that the approach Lisa took? She said a couple of small things about not being thrilled about the relationship, which I think makes sense since people were talking about it. She "owned" it. But she truly did stay on the sidelines and let it play out knowing that Scott had a long trail of much younger ex girlfriends! She put a smiley face next to the tweet, so no, she didn't back off, and it's not hers to own.
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 7, 2021 20:24:01 GMT
I may be going out on a limb here but I knew this would not last as SD has never ever never ever gotten over Kourtney. Ever.
You don't even have to watch the K's reality show to know that. SD has been on and off with girlfriends but nothing ever solid enough that he would even get engaged.
I watched the very last K season and SD was in every episode basically living at the Santa Monica house (they rented during covid) with all the K's.
Kourtney was not seeing anyone but at the same time she was not once flirting with SD or asking to make any kinds of parenting plans with him.
SD was like one of the sofa's there......he was just there. SD was not seeing anyone either then. But he wanted to always be around Kourtney basically using the kids as a reason.
I feel terrible for Amelia because I really think she fell 'hook line and sinker' for SD.
But I am actually happy she is moving on or like Princess Di said to a reporter once "there was always 3 in this relationship"!
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Post by woodiedog on Sept 7, 2021 22:42:41 GMT
Glad that SD is not in the picture. Ick.
Kathy Hilton is my favorite BH character. She can do tomato soup and ritz crackers and elegant dinners. More Kathy please!
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Post by prism on Sept 8, 2021 13:51:58 GMT
Rinna said "disick" so many times in the last few episodes... disick disick disick disick...... pretty clear she was thrilled her daughter hooked up with him. She's a strange one.
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