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Post by Mikesgirl on Mar 11, 2020 1:53:42 GMT
The mouth! What’s with her mouth? I wonder if she is chewing gum?
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Post by Realitychick on Mar 11, 2020 1:54:23 GMT
I think maybe she has a nervous tick and that's what she does?
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Post by judith on Mar 11, 2020 1:55:24 GMT
It's either a tic or dry mouth.
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Post by Mikesgirl on Mar 11, 2020 1:55:34 GMT
Did you see om look at dad to make sure he was going to say the things she wanted him to say. geesh she is a drama @#itch That’s why I said good luck Peter! He’s got an uphill climb ahead (facing his family and friends who are already against Madi).
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Post by Midol on Mar 11, 2020 1:56:11 GMT
Yikes, that was an awful speech. I hardly think Madi made them wait three hours just because, I want to hear what she says about that. Madi said there are a lot of things out of her control...hint tptb made me. Just like they made her late for the F3 RC. They wanted the family to hate her.
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Post by tapper01 on Mar 11, 2020 1:56:26 GMT
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We are a Jeep family. Which one do you have? We had a Liberty renegade for 16 years and last year traded it for our new Renegade Limited. Love it.....
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Post by judith on Mar 11, 2020 1:56:45 GMT
The only way things will work out with Madison and Peter is if he dumps his family, and that's not going to happen. What a freaking train wreck.
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Post by Gutmutter on Mar 11, 2020 1:57:28 GMT
Mom realizes she’s on tv,right? 😬
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Post by Midol on Mar 11, 2020 1:58:57 GMT
Are you sure you want to do this Clare??? Look what just happened...you know they are going to try to top this???
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Post by Mikesgirl on Mar 11, 2020 1:59:43 GMT
Yikes, that was an awful speech. I hardly think Madi made them wait three hours just because, I want to hear what she says about that. Madi said there are a lot of things out of her control...hint tptb made me. Just like they made her late for the F3 RC. They wanted the family to hate her. She wasn’t the storybook chosen one. That’s not how it was supposed to go. No wonder she doubted herself, her people were telling her the entire time they weren’t a good match. I guess Peter did not read the memo.....
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Post by waywyrd on Mar 11, 2020 2:01:49 GMT
*sigh* Another season, another failed love story.
Good luck, Clare.
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Post by Mikesgirl on Mar 11, 2020 2:04:56 GMT
It’s good to see Clare looking so happy! I think she likes the men she has met so far. Omg, look at Barb giving Clare tips....
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Post by Mikesgirl on Mar 11, 2020 2:06:51 GMT
Mom realizes she’s on tv,right? 😬 I don’t think she cares, she wants to be pissed until Madison dumps him and then.....she will say I told you so!
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Post by Navybelle on Mar 11, 2020 2:16:14 GMT
Mom realizes she’s on tv,right? 😬 I don’t think she cares, she wants to be pissed until Madison dumps him and then.....she will say I told you so! I agree, she seems to just want to be right. The way she flaunted ALL the people who agree, all the people who sent her love in her DMs, the whole family and all his friends think it won't last … she just wants to be right. She doesn't care about Peter or his feelings, she can't wait to be proven right. What a stellar example of a mother. Someone online said she spoke Spanish to the dad when he was asked for his input, something like "help me out" -- I'm sure she has dominated these men and manipulated them, and created a toxic family environment, so any girl who gets involved should really watch out. Clare looked good, but hopefully she knows their tricks and is prepared for what they're going to do to her to create drama. ugh.
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Post by 789wxyz on Mar 11, 2020 2:21:19 GMT
Hey everyone. Give Peter's mom a break. She didn't ask to be on this show.
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Post by Critical on Mar 11, 2020 2:57:42 GMT
Hey everyone. Give Peter's mom a break. She didn't ask to be on this show. Yeah....nope. The #1 rule on this site is that people who appear on reality shows are open to any and all comments (excepting prejudicial language).
If she didn't want to appear on the show, she didn't have to. Her son is the star of this season, not her. Instead, I'm pretty sure NO parent in the history of this franchise has had more screen time. She made a fool of herself on national TV and it was her choice as to how she behaved. It's not a great lesson to learn, but she can't argue that she didn't act the way she acted.
OMG  Didn't even think of this
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Post by MissScarlet on Mar 11, 2020 3:09:06 GMT
Hey everyone. Give Peter's mom a break. She didn't ask to be on this show. Thank you for your input, Mrs Weber.
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 11, 2020 3:31:49 GMT
Hannah Ann's points are spot on tonight! I've come to respect her a whole lot more after this. They didn't show this mature, well-spoken part of Hannah Ann during the season. She has had months to practice for this. I don't buy her BS. Everything she is saying is on point, but to pretend she had no clue is bull. She knew at LCD. This is almost like a gift that was handed to her. The woman wronged, broken hearted. She will be America's sweetheart and get a ton of followers after this and the opportunities will flow. She is Melissa 2.0 Yup! Her outraged victimhood here is so reminiscent of Melissa's breakup speech with Jason. It's not that any of her points aren't valid. They all are. But there's something so planned and staged about the whole thing. I wonder if they had already pretty much broken up and production made them come together and do it on camera. Do you think she'll get to be on Dancing with the Stars as her payoff for going through this charade?
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 11, 2020 3:45:48 GMT
Well, know we know that quiet, shy, sweet HA during the season was all an act. Girl is an actress. Yup! Girl was cold as ice toward Kelsey during Champagnegate. She just realized that she was heading toward a villain edit and dialed things back so they wouldn't be able to edit her that way. She's not wrong in what she's saying, but saying it here on stage in the way she is is most definitely a performance moment. Peter's mom is clearly still in love with Hannah Ann. She's beaming as she watches HA tear her son a new one. So strange! Clearly, she is mad at him for breaking this angel's heart.
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Post by Midol on Mar 11, 2020 3:52:25 GMT
She has had months to practice for this. I don't buy her BS. Everything she is saying is on point, but to pretend she had no clue is bull. She knew at LCD. This is almost like a gift that was handed to her. The woman wronged, broken hearted. She will be America's sweetheart and get a ton of followers after this and the opportunities will flow. She is Melissa 2.0 Yup! Her outraged victimhood here is so reminiscent of Melissa's breakup speech with Jason. It's not that any of her points aren't valid. They all are. But there's something so planned and staged about the whole thing. I wonder if they had already pretty much broken up and production made them come together and do it on camera. Do you think she'll get to be on Dancing with the Stars as her payoff for going through this charade? I guess it is possible. I never say never with this stupid show...like I never thought I would see such a horrid mother. I do think it is improbable. DWTS won't start filming until the fall so there are six months between then and now. Memories are short. Clare's season will have aired and so will BIP. You know that HA is a shoe in for that and will probably be leaving there as a couple if her good friend HG from Colton's season has trained as well as she did for Peter. Plus they rarely cast the women from the show...but maybe they can get Babs!!!
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Post by norealityhere on Mar 11, 2020 3:55:36 GMT
Seems like Melissa and Jason all over again. Fleiss is running out of dramatic finales....
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Post by Midol on Mar 11, 2020 3:56:32 GMT
Well, know we know that quiet, shy, sweet HA during the season was all an act. Girl is an actress. Yup! Girl was cold as ice toward Kelsey during Champagnegate. She just realized that she was heading toward a villain edit and dialed things back so they wouldn't be able to edit her that way. She's not wrong in what she's saying, but saying it here on stage in the way she is is most definitely a performance moment. Peter's mom is clearly still in love with Hannah Ann. She's beaming as she watches HA tear her son a new one. So strange! Clearly, she is mad at him for breaking this angel's heart. Yeah, that was so bizarre in a night of many bizarre things. Barb is applauding HA tearing her son a new one, but is hateful to the girl who he loves and who is trying to support him??? I honestly can't understand, but then I didn't understand her applauding her son having sex 4x in the windmill. Glad to know my judgement was spot on right from the beginning with Mommy Dearest.
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 11, 2020 3:58:19 GMT
I'd love to know what his mom just said when Harrison asked Madi if she still loved Peter...it didn't look nice. Agreed, didn't look nice and neither did Mommy's face. Mr. Fang thinks she said, "No, no she doesn't" when CH asked that. What a nasty piece of work Peter's mother is  Barb really should have said "no" when they asked her to be there for the finale. With her inability to keep a poker face, she didn't do herself or her son any favors by being there, especially tonight knowing what people were saying about her after all the drama on last night's show. Does she have some sort of contract with the show that requires her presence there tonight? It's so weird!
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 11, 2020 4:00:19 GMT
Yup! Her outraged victimhood here is so reminiscent of Melissa's breakup speech with Jason. It's not that any of her points aren't valid. They all are. But there's something so planned and staged about the whole thing. I wonder if they had already pretty much broken up and production made them come together and do it on camera. Do you think she'll get to be on Dancing with the Stars as her payoff for going through this charade? I guess it is possible. I never say never with this stupid show...like I never thought I would see such a horrid mother. I do think it is improbable. DWTS won't start filming until the fall so there are six months between then and now. Memories are short. Clare's season will have aired and so will BIP. You know that HA is a shoe in for that and will probably be leaving there as a couple if her good friend HG from Colton's season has trained as well as she did for Peter. Plus they rarely cast the women from the show...but maybe they can get Babs!!! I agree that it's unlikely that Hannah Ann will be on DWTS. I just know that they gave Melissa the DWTS gig as payoff for going through the Jason breakup drama on TV, so I was referring back to that.
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Post by Midol on Mar 11, 2020 4:05:14 GMT
If Babs was p*ssed about the audience reaction last night, I hate to see her after the media eat her alive tonight! Maybe time for a nice long vacation out of the public eye, but I think she loves basking in the attention...good or bad. She ate it up after Hannah's season and only seems to have grown to crave it even more since.
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Post by Midol on Mar 11, 2020 4:12:31 GMT
I guess it is possible. I never say never with this stupid show...like I never thought I would see such a horrid mother. I do think it is improbable. DWTS won't start filming until the fall so there are six months between then and now. Memories are short. Clare's season will have aired and so will BIP. You know that HA is a shoe in for that and will probably be leaving there as a couple if her good friend HG from Colton's season has trained as well as she did for Peter. Plus they rarely cast the women from the show...but maybe they can get Babs!!! I agree that it's unlikely that Hannah Ann will be on DWTS. I just know that they gave Melissa the DWTS gig as payoff for going through the Jason breakup drama on TV, so I was referring back to that. Yes, I know that is what you were referring to. IMO that story line has already been done with Jason and Melissa, so it isn't anything new. (Maybe she watched tapes of Melissa to get into her role...  ) IMO Her reward will be the star of BIP. Also, since she was such a good little soldier and went along with everything, no doubt she will be called upon repeatedly to come sit in audiences and plenty of interviews. Maybe a few other crumbs here and there. The biggest perk will be her SM numbers which will translate in $$$.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 11, 2020 4:28:29 GMT
Barb is a grade A beyotch.However, in some ways she proved how very weak Peter is and showed a strength that Madison has. Why does Madi constantly chew her mouth, it's not the first time, it's all the time. I quite liked Hannah Ann, from the first or second show, then I lost track. She looked stunning, and she has matured. I'm glad she's not with the wimp.. Chris Harrison is such a pimp. He grosses me out, he's so fake. He just popped into to tell Madison, Peter is single..BS! So mum,how did you like your show? Can you imagine her as your mother in law? Peter cut the ( umbilical) cord for heavens sake..
Claire looked beautiful did she see any of her guys ?? my recording cut off..
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Post by Critical on Mar 11, 2020 4:32:04 GMT
I have zero sympathy for Babs. She behaved terribly and really, did she think speaking Spanish in Los Angeles would mean no one would know what she was saying? 
Partway down the page of this article: I don't know how you come back from this as a family. If that was my mother, I'd be furious....although my mother would NEVER act like that because she's a kind person who would never do anything to embarrass me on national TV. It was beyond hateful. I just can't imagine that Madison was in control of delaying that meeting by 3 hours. In that big machine of a production. In a foreign country. Please. I'd be curious to know the whole story on that.
I guess we know one of the reasons Peter's single. I wonder if she's scared off any other girlfriends....
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 11, 2020 4:49:23 GMT
Did you see om look at dad to make sure he was going to say the things she wanted him to say. geesh she is a drama @#itch She didn't just look at him. She said something to him in Spanish. I'd like to know what it was. Peter's mom may have eventually brought it back around to caring about her son, but it was very telling that she originally said that the reason she liked Hannah Ann was because Hannah Ann was so loving toward Barb. It really does seem to be all about her. All about feeling disrespected by the delay with no apology. (I really doubt was about Madi not wanting to come in and meet them; it was likely a combination of Peter and Madi needing to talk things out and production making them take time to do ITMs, etc. I'm sure that's what Madi was alluding to when she said that there was a lot that wasn't under her control. I'm guessing that since she didn't cause the delay, she had no idea she was supposed to apologize.) It's so sad that his family drove him to propose to Hannah Ann, which was in no one's best interest. And now, they will insert themselves into breaking up this relationship and feel vindicated when it doesn't work out. Really sad! (And shame on the show for having them come on and be so mean to Madi in such a public way. Not a good look for anyone! Really sick!) Did they though? Madison left , Hannah was plan B, except she didn't know that..I thought he looked 100% fake asking her to marry him. I truly believe, these stories are kind of mapped out ahead of time often leaving the lead looking , well stupid.
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 11, 2020 4:56:52 GMT
She didn't just look at him. She said something to him in Spanish. I'd like to know what it was. Peter's mom may have eventually brought it back around to caring about her son, but it was very telling that she originally said that the reason she liked Hannah Ann was because Hannah Ann was so loving toward Barb. It really does seem to be all about her. All about feeling disrespected by the delay with no apology. (I really doubt was about Madi not wanting to come in and meet them; it was likely a combination of Peter and Madi needing to talk things out and production making them take time to do ITMs, etc. I'm sure that's what Madi was alluding to when she said that there was a lot that wasn't under her control. I'm guessing that since she didn't cause the delay, she had no idea she was supposed to apologize.) It's so sad that his family drove him to propose to Hannah Ann, which was in no one's best interest. And now, they will insert themselves into breaking up this relationship and feel vindicated when it doesn't work out. Really sad! (And shame on the show for having them come on and be so mean to Madi in such a public way. Not a good look for anyone! Really sick!) Did they though? Madison left , Hannah was plan B, except she didn't know that..I thought he looked 100% fake asking her to marry him. I truly believe, these stories are kind of mapped out ahead of time often leaving the lead looking , well stupid. Oops. I didn't realize you'd quoted my post, and I deleted it, because I posted while I was watching and then realized that what I'd posted had already been said by other people. Sorry about that! As for the bolded part and your comment.... I don't know. Maybe he would have proposed anyway. But I do think that his mom saying that he and Hannah Ann were a perfect match and God put her there for him and he should "Bring her home to them" may have helped him rationalize that maybe it was all for the best that Madi left and that he was supposed to be with Hannah Ann, after all. But who knows. He's so wishy washy that he might have done it, anyway. I am glad to see him and Madison both standing up to his mom, but I agree with those who have said that this relationship has no chance at all of surviving unless he leaves his family behind and commits himself to Madi outside of their influence. There's just too much toxicity coming from his mom for it to work otherwise. She's a real piece of work!
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