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Post by momrek06 on Apr 6, 2019 2:17:41 GMT
The set was so locked down for the final season that there aren't many verified spoilers out there. Instead, we're getting speculation/theory (and probably fan fiction) masquerading as spoilers about how it all ends. It's sort of hilarious, but also pretty pathetic. News outlets are taking fan theories from various sites and turning it into actual articles. I agree on those fake GOT spoilers. "Fan theories" .... I saw Emilia C. (I think) on Fallon several weeks ago.....and she was telling JF about one time THIS season GOT was all set to film this really intense scene and a helicopter flew over the set and they shut down everything. Quickly. As GOT from what she said was able to get "no fly" zone permits. So after the producer (?) was able to get info on this helicopter it was a Police Med Flight so they felt they were safe. It was not PAPS. BUT you are right Critical as there are no verified spoilers out there anywhere.
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Post by Critical on Apr 6, 2019 2:44:25 GMT
Even in previous seasons, we got some spoilers just because certain actors were seen in certain countries and the filming was SO spread out that it really did give things away. Now that so many of the cast are together, that's not really helpful. IIRC, that's how they knew Joe Dempsie (Gendry) was back on the show last season - fans spotted him in town where the set was (maybe Belfast?). I think even the various cast members have had to REALLY watch their own SM accounts. Even posting pics with castmates has given things away. There were pics of the various guys who went beyond the Wall to capture the white walker (Tormund, Jorah, Thoros, Gendry, etc.) and then people knew those characters were together.
I keep looking for spoilers, but haven't found anything solid. I think all we might get is if there's a snafu and an episode leaks early like it did a year or two ago (Did I watch it? Yes I did).
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Post by Critical on Apr 11, 2019 2:04:52 GMT
Anyone else doing a series marathon ahead of the Sunday premiere? I'm on season 3, episode 9, ie. the Red Wedding episode. I may or may not watch the actual end of the wedding. HBO is airing one season a day and I'm ahead of them, so I should finish in plenty of time. I'm fast-forwarding through the Theon/Reek/Ramsay scenes, so that helps too. I've watched it on my phone while working out, my laptop while working in my studio and on my TV. It's like a theme week around here I'd forgotten how much of a putz Robb was. He would have been a terrible king. UGH, and freaking Joffrey. What a little creep. Jack Gleeson is a great actor because I know he's a sweetheart and Joffrey just oozes slime. It's fun to see the forshadowing in early episodes. There were a good number of shots of Jaime's right hand in the early seasons. I've watched the first season many times, but not those middle seasons.
OMG: and all the whores of Kings Landing giggling over Pod and his prowess in the bedroom. I loved that storyline.
ETA: as much as I was glad to see Tywin go down, MAN, was Charles Dance great in that role.
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Post by waywyrd on Apr 11, 2019 22:54:20 GMT
I've been watching HBO's marathon on and off...it was awfully nice to see Joffrey eat that poisoned pie once again. Watching all the seasons back to back, I really feel for Sansa - she has the worst luck dating of anyone ever, poor thing. I'm going to do my best to avoid spoilers. I rather like being shocked as I watch - and I think this last season probably has a few shockers in store.
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Post by Critical on Apr 14, 2019 4:29:16 GMT
I'm watching "The Battle of the Bastards" right now. Poor Rickon That scene is still so hard to watch. I'd forgotten about that great little scene when Yara and Theon arrive in Mereen and meet with Dany and Tyrion. There's that moment after the Knights of the Vale arrive and Jon, Wun Wun and Tormund emerge from the fray and Ramsay sees them and runs like a big baby. It always reminds me of that scene in The Princess Bride where Inigo confronts the Six-Fingered Man, delivers his famous line...and the SFM turns and runs
This morning before I headed out to meet a friend for lunch, I decided to fit in one episode, not realizing that the next episode was "Hold the Door." I had to retouch my makeup before I left
I'll probably look for spoilers during the season, although I probably won't find much.
No clue who will end up on the Iron Throne. Apparently, some bet makers are saying Bran is running ahead of Dany and Jon, but I just don't see that happening. I just don't want it to be someone completely awful like Cersei. I love Lena Headey and she is so good in the role, but I just can't stomach her winning.
Of all the likely candidates, I'd say Dany, Jon and Gendry have the strongest claim, although we know that doesn't matter. I've seen theories that Gendry is actually Cersei and Robert's son - the one who died. I don't necessarily believe that, but it's an interesting idea. We did have a "dead" child in the books turn out to be alive.
Any guesses about who from the "main" cast isn't going to make it out alive? The three characters I NEED to make it to the end have always been Jon, Arya and Tyrion. Of the three, I'd say Jon has the biggest chance of dying. Probably Arya is the least likely to die, but only because GRRM has said that his wife threatened to leave him if Arya dies!
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Post by lizard on Apr 15, 2019 2:52:49 GMT
I did not realize HBO Now played the episode before cable. So I deleted my comment that could have had mild spoilers.
I look forward to seeing your comments once you view. I am glad I got the HBO now. I do not have HBO on my cable tv.
Look forward to your comments.
My guess for who is the king: Samwell Tarley
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Post by Critical on Apr 15, 2019 3:52:57 GMT
^^^ I thought it aired on HBO Now at 9pm Eastern. Does it air earlier than that? Our rule has always been that, once it airs on the East coast, it's not a spoiler. Anyone in another time zone where it airs later should avoid this thread if they don't want to be spoiled before it airs for them. As soon as it is airing on the East coast, you can talk about the episode all you want here WITHOUT spoiler tags I loved everything except for freaking Cersei and Euron. They're awful. I almost posted above that the three reunions I wanted this season were Jon and Arya, Sansa and Tyrion and, Arya and Gendy....and we got them all in ONE episode! I hadn't even considered a Jaime/Bran reunion until Jaime saw Bran across the courtyard. Can't wait to see what happens with that. That Jon and Arya reunion. I mean ALL the feels. I had this idea that maybe Gendry would be happy to see Arya, but then would see Sansa and be smitten. Hope that doesn't happen. He did have a look of appreciation for her as she walked away from him. I'm annoyed that HBOE airs in SD and not HD, so I have to wait until 9pm Pacific to see it in HD. I did watch it at 6, but it doesn't look nearly as good. This episode had so much good stuff, which is surely setting us up for all the terrible things to come. I saw an interview with lots of cast members where they were asked to describe the final season in one word. Several said, "devastating."
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Post by lizard on Apr 15, 2019 4:54:55 GMT
I am in NW Florida central time zone (1 hr earlier than eastern). I tuned in 8 something pm on Now; and I watched the episode in its entirety before it was listed to start on cable.
I think Lord Glover and his men are going to get attacked by the Knight King on the Kingsroad.
I think Sansa and Arya will jump to Dani's side once they experience the dead attack.
Arya says that Sansa is the smartest person she knows. Perhaps Sansa will be helpful in some way.
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Post by Critical on Apr 15, 2019 5:43:10 GMT
So if you're in Central, it would be available to you at 8pm. That's 9 pm Eastern. Here (in CA), it aired for the first time at 6pm. We have HBOE, which is the East coast feed, but it also airs at 9pm, which is also when it airs for the first time on the HD channel. I forgot to mention the opening credits. They were incredible! I'm going to have to watch and pause a lot in HD to catch everything.
ETA: I've always liked Bronn, but if he doesn't find a damned moral compass, I'll be really mad.
I think Sam definitely had a point when he asked Jon if Dany would let go of her crown for the good of her people they way Jon did. I don't know that she would.
I'm beginning to agree with Arya - Sansa may be the smartest person. The fact that Tyrion didn't know Cersei would NOT be sending her army = Sansa is definitely the most pragmatically smart one there. Maybe it's because she's seen to much darkness that she's able to understand how evil people will behave.
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Post by lizard on Apr 15, 2019 9:44:10 GMT
Bran said it all: I am not his brother. He is your brother. (What are you doing here?) I am waiting for an old friend. (Jaimie)
I want to see how they are going to use Arya's truth telling ability.
What would a raised Bran the Builder look like? Would it look like today's Bran and freak Arya out? I wonder what Stark raised dead person is going to jump out.
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Post by waywyrd on Apr 15, 2019 12:46:15 GMT
All the reunions we've been waiting for! I think Jon and Arya got me the most. And Jaime's "Oh sh*t" look when he saw Bran...ha! I don't think Dany would be too quick to give up her crown, either. She's gotten pretty full of herself. I've been dying for Jon to find out who he really is, and it finally happened. Cersei and Euron - ick. A match made in hell...and Euron makes me want to take a shower every time I see him. He's such a pig. But now she can call him baby daddy instead of Jaime, if she makes it out alive. Tyrion, dude. How can he believe a thing that his rotten sister tells him? Sansa may well be the smartest one around, she's been schooled by some of the worst Westeros has to offer - Cersei, Joffrey, Littlefinger, Ramsay... I know bad things are coming and this isn't a warm fuzzies kind of show, but could we please just have Tormund and Brienne get together at the end?
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Post by FireWoman on Apr 15, 2019 14:51:53 GMT
I feel late to this party, well ad far as positing at least… hell, I am not sure where to even begin.
1. Love the new intro, I too feel the need to watch it again and get all the details! I was on the phone with a friend in Texas and we are chatting over the previous scenes, and as the intro started we both remarked at the same time, hey new intro!
2. Cersei and Euron, yeah, I agree ewww. I was slightly shocked she let him get that far, but then again she needs someone to lay the baby daddy title on. Still makes me a bit ill thinking about it. On a small side note with them, well at least her, I really wish they would have given her back SOME hair, that pixie cut is so awful with that color.
3. I too loved all the big reunions in one episode. Jon and anyone makes a happy homecoming IMO. Him and Arya was the best however.. I love the 2 of them together Bran saying he was waiting for an old friend gave me chills how he said it, and how plainly, knowing he mean Jamie.
4. Sam, sigh, he is so damn adorbs. I loved the line he had when telling Jon about his true parentage, how he ready books and Bran does well whatever it is Bran does it was one of many I recited along in time with the character delivering it. Not much said for unpredictability but there was some great moments of veiled humor.
5. For as stupid a girl as Sansa was in the first 4 or so seasons, she has become a rather shrewd woman in her time. I am not sure I would call her the smartest, pragmatically or not, but she is the most distrusting and I think that given the times they are all in, it lets her come off as smart. She has been through a lot, and that lends to some hard lessons learned but the same can be said of all the Starks at this point. I am willing to admit that she is smarter than anyone has given her credit for. All that being said, she is still a child (at least by book standards 17-18) and still very much acts like it at times.
6. Sam was spot on when he asked Jon if Dany would do what is best for the people. No she is just as power hungry as Cersei but not as evil. I do however think that she would allow for the true heir to take his place should he want it.
7. The whole Jon/Sam in the crypts convo was a bit anticlimactic for me. I don’t know what I was expecting, but maybe just more?? More from Jon? I don’t know. I felt more when Jamie saw Bran in the courtyard.
Overall the show ended far too soon for me, maybe it is all the Netflix binge watching that has me spoiled, but man i actually screamed at the TV when i saw credits.
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Post by Critical on Apr 15, 2019 21:50:21 GMT
At first, it seemed strange that Cersei would send Qyburn to talk to Bronn - she'd normally summon him herself and give him the order directly. Then I remembered the story about how Lena Headey and Jerome Flynn once dated and apparently it ended VERY badly, to the point where they refuse to be in any scenes together. They've literally never appeared in a scene together. There's even a rumor that it's in their contracts. It's pretty amazing considering how long Bronn has been living in King's Landing. Explains why, when every other main character was in the Dragon Pit for that huge meeting in s7e6, Bronn and Poderick went off to the pub. Oh, and speaking of Poderick, did anyone else know that the actor's father is the actor who played Ser Rodrik? I know Beric Dondarrion isn't a big talker, but I really wish he was. Richard Dormer has such a great voice! I could listen to him all day. I really do feel like they gave us this one relatively happy episode with lots of nice reunions because they plan to rip it all away from us in the next five episodes. I'm bracing myself for tons of heartbreak, starting next week For anyone who's on FB, there's a great - and pretty long (around 17 min.) - video about last night's episode that includes interviews with the cast and crew and some behind-the-scenes footage, including a visit to the set from George Lucas! Forgot to mention last night how much I love the team of Davos, Tyrion and Varys.
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Post by Gutmutter on Apr 16, 2019 22:23:47 GMT
What did Arya want made from her drawing? I couldn’t make it out.
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Post by FireWoman on Apr 16, 2019 22:33:21 GMT
A dragon glass weapon akin to a bo staff that will have a detachable part so that she can use it in 2 handed combat, at least that is what I got from the drawing. Sorry it is big, i was going for the detail lol.
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Post by Critical on Apr 16, 2019 22:35:50 GMT
I’m pretty sure it’s a spear of some kind with a dragonglass head that can be removed, maybe so she can use it in closer combat. It looked like there was a smaller handle attached to the dragonglass, which would fit into the spear handle. You can see that it says “dragonglass” on the paper and there’s footage of her with a spear in some of the season previews. I guess we’ll see for sure once Gendry makes it! ETA: we were typing at the same time, FireWoman. Jinx! Buy me a Coke !
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Post by lizard on Apr 16, 2019 23:30:40 GMT
I think Jorah will try to ease things with Samwell regarding Dani. In the preview/ad Jorah is brandishing Samwell's family sword.
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Post by Realitychick on Apr 16, 2019 23:41:47 GMT
Do we know why they are ending the show after this season? Is it too expensive of a show or because George R. R. Martin still hasn't finished the last book?
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Post by Critical on Apr 17, 2019 0:53:29 GMT
This is the end of this story. GRRM is still two books away from finishing, but that doesn't affect the series. The show passed the events of the published books a number of seasons ago. While some storylines have changed from the books, the series ends with HIS ending and the showrunners have his story outline to work from.
GOT is a ratings juggernaut for HBO, as evidenced by the fact that one of the prequel series that was greenlighted will begin production soon. They wouldn't cancel it because it was too expensive. It's made them a fortune and brought the network a ton of prestige. There will be more from this world, but not these characters.
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Post by ccl on Apr 17, 2019 1:37:50 GMT
Yes, it is just time for it to end. Can’t be dragged out forever. And at least it will end, unlike the books...
I am actually a big Sansa fan. I think she has had such a great character arc, from a simpering girl dreaming of being a queen and eating lemon cakes to the strong woman she is now. And she is smart - she called Jon on his mixed motivation for bending the knee, she understood how the North would react to Dany, she plans and sees the issues with feeding and housing extra people etc. I am eager to see her ending (and hope it is good).
Dany was a bit cocksure this episode with her talk of how Sansa has to recognize her as her Queen. Why automatically? She’s some stranger whose family ruled two generations ago...she has the attitude of a Queen but not the tact and grace. Sometimes you need to use honey and not vinegar, and not be so black and white. And she seemed to even suggest that Sansa might meet be in for something bad if she doesn’t show respect to her....wondering if there will be a showdown between Dany and Sansa and Jon will have to choose sides. Also, I don’t think Dany would easily give up her throne for Jon, whereas he would be more likely to. I don’t even know that Jon will want to admit his claim to the throne.
Bran is supposed to be all mysterious but I actually find him annoying. I don’t know if it is the acting or directing or what.
So many reunions. Yay. Seems like we saw all the characters except for Brianne. So there’s her reunion with Jamie to look forward to.
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Post by FireWoman on Apr 17, 2019 2:02:30 GMT
LOL Crit, GMTA
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Post by Critical on Apr 17, 2019 2:53:20 GMT
Yes, it is just time for it to end. Can’t be dragged out forever. And at least it will end, unlike the books... I am actually a big Sansa fan. I think she has had such a great character arc, from a simpering girl dreaming of being a queen and eating lemon cakes to the strong woman she is now. And she is smart - she called Jon on his mixed motivation for bending the knee, she understood how the North would react to Dany, she plans and sees the issues with feeding and housing extra people etc. I am eager to see her ending (and hope it is good). I like Dany overall but she was a bit cocksure this episode with her talk of how Sansa has to recognize her as her Queen. Why automatically? She’s some stranger whose family ruled two generations ago...she has the attitude of a Queen but not the tact and grace. Sometimes you need to use honey and not vinegar. She is also very black and white. I don’t think she would easily give up her throne for Jon, whereas he would be more likely to. I don’t even know that Jon will want to admit his claim to the throne. Bran is supposed to be all mysterious but I actually find him annoying. I don’t know if it is the acting or directing or what. So many reunions. Yay. Seems like we saw all the characters except for Brianne. So there’s her reunion with Jamie to look forward to. Me too I agree with everything you wrote about her. She and Jon remind me of something a co-worker said years ago to a customer that I immediately stole to use for myself: "Yes sir, you and I both know how things should be. I'm telling you what is." Jon is the one with the (I think) unrealistic expectations, especially with respect to the behavior of others, and Sansa is the realist.
If they were keeping pace with the books, they would have had to halt production YEARS ago. IIRC, Sansa's storyline in the books ran out with the events of season 4. In the books. Jon is still dead at the Wall and Dany and Co. are still in Mereen. By season 6, none of the events shown came from the published books, but even quite a bit of season 5 was "original."
I don't find Bran annoying per se, but I do laugh sometimes at his lack of reaction to things. His siblings are SUPER happy to see him and he's like totally flat affect, "Hello, Sansa." I'd love for him to get a handle on his abilities to the point where he can actually bring out his Bran personality a bit more.
Yeah, Brienne didn't do much but stand around, did she? I want to see her reunion with Jaime, but more than that, I want a reunion with Tormund! I've not given up the hope that they'll both survive and make lots of giant ginger babies!
We know that this season will feature the biggest battle sequence ever shot for the series and that it was a night shoot. Will it be episode 2? If so, the deaths are coming soon.
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Post by waywyrd on Apr 17, 2019 12:52:46 GMT
So many Bran memes going around on Twitter.
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Post by FireWoman on Apr 17, 2019 14:15:28 GMT
Do we know why they are ending the show after this season? Is it too expensive of a show or because George R. R. Martin still hasn't finished the last book? Like Crit said, this is a HUGE ratings show for HBO, but I think like many shows that want to go out on top that was part of this too. GRRM said that if the show stayed more true to the books overall there would be 2-3 more seasons involved. But lets look at the books too, the characters are in their teens for the most part and with the actors on the show, it has been roughly a bout 10 years already for them, Sophie is not passing for 17 anymore lol. There have already been plot points that were very rushed through (we all remember that teleport traveling around the map no??) there was a fair amount that wasn't mentioned or simply forgotten in the telling as well. I am STILL pissed about Lady Stoneheart. I think it was a combo of many things that gave us this fair ending point, the least of which is the fact that GRRM will die before this series is done.. meh!
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Post by Critical on Apr 18, 2019 10:17:37 GMT
I don't think, in this case, TPTB should have listened to GRRM, the guy who wrote a book too big to be bound into one book. Literally, his initial version of book three was too many pages to be bound, so he split part of it off into book 4. I am disappointed by the omission of Lady Stoneheart - man, I was waiting for her! - but there are some plotlines and characters that I am okay with losing (Young Griff, anyone?). If people find the number of characters on the SHOW overwhelming, imagine how they'd feel if ALL of the characters were included! I think Benioff and Weiss have done a nice job with clearing the clutter away and telling the story in a tighter narrative. IMO, they've kept viewers interested for this many seasons - and often that's not the case with shows that run this many years - because they keep things moving. I don't know if that would have happened if they'd stretched it out another few seasons. While a lot of the travel is over much longer distances than people would think from watching the show, I don't think most people are interested in watching episode after episode of people walking places or riding horses over long distances. I remember all the complaints about the LOTR and Hobbit movies and those journeys were incredibly condensed in the movies. IMO, they've done a great job of telling the story and there's not really any way to get more seasons without making it feel like they're milking it. I'd always rather be left wanting more and longer episodes than being annoyed by "filler." They're coming to the end of this story, so it has to end. It can't go on forever. These actors (and the producers as well, I'm sure) would like to move on. This is a hugely expensive and demanding show to produce, so I'd guess they're all excited to do NOTHING for a while, or at least work on projects that don't require such a time committment.
As we get closer to episode 2, I'm starting to feel the dread. People are dying this Sunday, for sure. I think there will likely be at least a few heartbreakers
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Post by shortlived on Apr 20, 2019 0:31:52 GMT
As we get closer to episode 2, I'm starting to feel the dread. People are dying this Sunday, for sure. I think there will likely be at least a few heartbreakers Yes, ^ this. I feel like episode 1 was all about the happy and episode 2 is going to hurt. I am prepared to lose some characters I like and I few I won't miss, but I need Tyrion, Arya and Jon to make it to the end. My gut feelings for the season: 1. Dany dies trying to save one or more of her dragons. They are her babies and she would do anything for them. 2. Cersei does not make it to the end. 3. Jon ends up "on the throne" in the end, but steers it more toward somewhat of democracy with other kingdoms having input. 4. Arya gets to kill a few more on her list. 5. If Sansa does not make it to the end it's because she did something selfless or heroic to balance out her selfish timing at the Battle of the Bastards. 6. Jaime makes it to the end, but rides off into the sunset peacefully and without fanfare. 7. Samwell makes it to the end and is one of Jon's most trusted advisors.
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Post by Critical on Apr 20, 2019 3:48:01 GMT
Tyrion, Jon and Arya are on my "do not kill" list too. That being said, I don't think ANYONE is safe. I'd guess that, if any of them dies, it will be near the end.
My predictions (and hopes, in some cases)
- Definitely think Dany will die before the end
- Jon is, IMO, the most likely to sit on the Iron Throne, but losing Dany will make it a less-than happy ending (which is what GRRM promised)
- If that happens, Ser Davos will survive to become his Hand
- Cersei will die, probably at the hands of one her brothers (thus fulfilling the "valonquar" prophesy given to Cersei when she was young)
- Jaime will die doing something heroic, likely saving either Tyrion or Brienne, the only two people left that he respects
- Bronn will die being heroic and dying in the place of either Tyrion or Jaime after finding his backbone and blowing off Cersei
- Melissandre told Varys that he will die in Westeros, so he might not make it to the end. Same with her
- The Hound will defeat the Mountain in Cleganebowl, but might die of his wounds afterwards OR by doing something heroic....saving Arya?
- The dragons will have to die. How can they just live in the world, especially if their mother dies?
While we know that Cersei, if she's killed (and how could she not be?), will be done in by the Valonquar, aka little brother, that could be either of her brothers, since she was born before Jaime. I love the idea, if Tyrion does end up dying, of ARYA killing Cersei using Tyrion's face. I've also seen theories that because it was "the" little brother, that means it's not necessarily HER little brother. It could mean that she dies in childbirth with a boy, who would be the little brother to her other children. So yeah, all of that is to say that no one actually knows!
I'd like to see Ghost before the end and I'd love to see him and Nymeria play some part in a battle. Bran is, I think, going to be key to winning the war, since he sees everything that happens.
Based on interviews with the cast, they did not receive paper copies of the scripts. They came via an app similar to Snapchat, which locked the screenshot feature on their devices. So, if there's anyone out in the world posting spoilers and claiming to have a copy of the script, they're full of it.
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Post by shortlived on Apr 20, 2019 17:46:32 GMT
oohhhh...those are some good ones too
I do hope Cersei and all of her minions (Euron, the Mountain, etc) don't survive. I am hoping she is done in by either Jaime or Arya. Jaime doing her in would be devastating for her, Arya killing C would be a moral victory for her.
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Post by Critical on Apr 20, 2019 20:19:38 GMT
oohhhh...those are some good ones too I do hope Cersei and all of her minions (Euron, the Mountain, etc) don't survive. I am hoping she is done in by either Jaime or Arya. Jaime doing her in would be devastating for her, Arya killing C would be a moral victory for her. Plus, it would make up for Arya not killing Joffrey herself! I think the fact that someone else got him was a big disappointment for her.
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Post by lizard on Apr 21, 2019 2:20:08 GMT
I rewatched the episode 2 more times. I was wrong. Bran did not say to Samwell that Jon is his brother...just that he is best to tell him.
My predictions 1. Theon will save some Starks and then die (because the cast is saying how devastating it is) 2. Samwell is king and Sir Davos will be his hand. 3. Bron will die trying to save Jaimie (because the cast said the ending is devastating) 4. Jon marries his aunt
Tomorrow's Money Shot--Seeing Dani's reaction to Jon telling her she is his aunt. It should be nothing given all the brother sister weddings and kids.
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