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Post by lizard on Apr 22, 2019 2:03:56 GMT
I can see the Russian leak was bad (a good thing).
So Tyrion said it would be cute if he was a wight and he tortured and killed Cersai. He would have to be, because it is not in his or his brother's nature.
A+ ----for the episode; going to watch it again immediately
Dani's power hungry burst--perhaps it is a short flair.....or a longer thing as it seems that is what Emilia Clarke was alluding to
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Post by Critical on Apr 22, 2019 7:17:35 GMT
So, NO ONE considered that the cript, where all the dead people are, might actually NOT be the safest place for, well, ANYONE!? UGH, this is going to be bad.
They gave us another pretty happy (and totally death-free) episode. Next week is going to be SO painful.
Is there any way Theon is going to survive? At this point, he's more likely to die protecting Bran, but it's clear he's loyal to Sansa, so maybe he'll fall protecting her.
That look Dany had on her face when Theon and Sansa embraced was telling. Dany may have the respect of the people, but Sansa has their love. I think Dany just expects people to bow down because of her lineage, but Sansa gets love and respect for who she is. I think she's turned out to be a much more formidable woman than Dany expected.
OMG. I can't even with Arya and Gendry. There was that moment when she asked about Melissandre and you could feel the change in her. I just said, "Oh, it's ON!" Love that she's in control of her own agency and making decisions for herself. "I'm not the red woman. Take your own bloody pants off." DEAD. Interesting that, at the very beginning of the series, Robert talked to Ned about how he had a son and Ned had a daughter who, by marriage, could unite their two houses. That's true here as well, even though there's really no House Baratheon now.
I love that Tyrion is one of the only people (at least on screen), who really sat down to hear Bran's story.
GHOST! Finally! He only stood there, but maybe he'll actually DO something next week!
Sam giving Ser Jorah the Tarly sword = Jaime knightling Brienne = I could have watched an entire episode of just those characters sitting in front of the fire, talking and drinking. Tormund's unabashed affection for Brienne = Tyrion and Jaime snickering about how Tywin would react to his sons both dying defending Winterfell I had a feeling Dany would challenge the idea that Jon is the true Targaryen heir. Will they continue that conversation or will one of them die first? It seems like their next move is to the dragons to fight the Night King/protect Bran. Will be end up killing Dany in the fight? Better her than Jon.
I feel like the next episode, maybe two, will be the fight for Winterfell (and that hellishly long battle sequence). That will end in the death of the Night King and MANY other characters. The last few episodes will be the battle against Cersei. I've read spoilers based on pictures people got of the sets (probably via drones) and it looks like {Spoiler}The Winterfell set is completely burned/destroyed. I don't think that means the Night King wins, but I think it does mean the battle is long and brutal.
I loved not seeing Cersei or Euron this week.
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Post by waywyrd on Apr 22, 2019 11:43:08 GMT
SUCH a good episode. I could have watched several hours of the fireside chats. Loved Jaime knighting Brienne - the look on her face! She really nailed that scene. And now that I'm liking Jaime again, he's probably going to get killed along with Theon. I'm not even sure Tyrion will make it out alive at this point. *sob* One character I'm not liking much anymore is Dany. Lose the entitlement, woman. I knew she wouldn't take Jon's bombshell well, she only seemed worried about his claim to the throne that he doesn't even want. He didn't look thrilled with her reaction, either. Go Arya! I know this is the calm before the storm, and as much as I want to see the rest, I'm dreading it...
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Post by lizard on Apr 22, 2019 11:49:07 GMT
All that blue chip flipping on the map--must mean that the Knight King is going to make it to King's Landing
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Post by momrek06 on Apr 22, 2019 14:52:10 GMT
THIS (for me) WILL BE CONSIDERED THE BEST EPISODE of this SEASON!!! And yes I was expecting "something" to happen but it did not. Next week will have us on the edge of our seats. I loved 'Ser' Brienne getting KNIGHTED! "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms"! I hate that this is all coming to an end.
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Post by FireWoman on Apr 22, 2019 18:07:07 GMT
I agree with everyone that the fireside chat, and knighting, was hands down the best part of this week. I also loved the Sansa/Theon and Bran/Tyrion scenes. I too laughed with the brothers Lannister talking about how dear old dad (I DO so miss Charles Dance on the show.. his character notwithstanding) would take them defending the North with the Starks. As much as I want to see Arya happy and in love that will last (however long they have that is) that scene with Gendry felt so forced and awkward to me not at all natural.. maybe I needed SOME more build up and yeah, I know their time is limited but I don't know it was off to me. I have always shipped the 2 of them together but now that it has happened, im very Meh about it. I also agree with Way in Dany becoming a very unsympathetic character. Her power tripping is rather unbecoming of late. I don't think she has really had to deal with people that didn't "need her" and have done nothing for her to really go on the offensive with them. The North is a very different breed of people than she is used to. We knew she wasn't going to take the news about Jon well, as Sam already made mention of, but she is not stupid and I hope she will see what is best for the people. I loved how Jon was very cold to her after he found out the news almost like putting her in check a bit. (Have to admit, loved the 'taller' comment about Khal Drogo... giggle) Jamie on the other hand has become someone I absolutely love in these final episodes. I want him and Brianne together.. forget Tormund's longing, its getting played out for me, I always wanted her and Jamie together. He needs a strong woman, but not one who only wants to manipulate him. The whole time I was watching the show last night I kept saying things like Oh I love them or I love the relationship they have, their dynamic is awesome, love him, her, etc... but no matter which phrase I use it was almost always followed by "but they are gonna die next week." I am torn on the crypts, I have heard 2 ideas about what COULD happen one is they are used to escape (season 2 mentioned a secret ways out so I hope that is the case because the other is too disheartening. I cant see the Night's/Knight King being defeated in the 3rd episode and done away with so easily.. so there has to be more going on here. The battle was said to be Epic beyond what we have seen already and yes there have been many mentioned of Crit's spoiler.. so we will see. Maybe we will get another early peek at episode 3 And yeah Ghost, where did you rock in form .. he was there too..
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Post by Gutmutter on Apr 22, 2019 23:14:18 GMT
Surely the rest of the series won’t be one long battle scene. There are too any heartfelt relationships to just kill them all and have the night king win.
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Post by ccl on Apr 22, 2019 23:54:32 GMT
There will probably be two battles - one next week and another one at Kings Landing, most like - but I don’t think the last four episodes will be all-battle.
Has anyone heard the theory that Arya is really dead - having died after being attacked by the Waif a couple seasons back, where she was stabbed and thrown in the river - and that the Waif took her face and it is she who is in Winterfell? As proof, people say that Arya has gotten small details of her past wrong, that her scars are wrong and that the weapon she had Gendry make her is like the staff the Waif used.... I don’t like this theory at all!
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Post by Critical on Apr 23, 2019 0:52:26 GMT
I think someone had too much time on their hands with that theory! I've also seen one where Petyr is still alive and that it was actually a faceless man pretending to be him when Arya slit his throat, which is absolute NONESENSE, because the Faceless Men can only use the faces of the dead The thing about Arya getting a few details wrong just seems like people who overanalyze things. Sometimes, over very long series, the writer may miss a tiny detail that was given, oh, six seasons earlier, and the super-obsessive fans jump on that like a big clue. It's usually nothing. GRRM has admitted the same thing happens to him. He describes one character with one color eyes and then a few books later, inadvertently changes the eye color and fans jump all over him. ITA about two battles. From everything they've released, it sounds like the Winterfell battle is the huge battle - of 40+ night shoots - that is supposed to be the larrgest battle ever filmed. I can't imagine there'd be another one that big just a few episodes later. I think the battle with Cersei will be bad, but not like the one against the Night King. I've seen some "critics" fussing about last night's episode and saying that there was no progression. Apparently, some people don't understand anything about plot and character development and building up anticipation (perhaps they don't read fiction?). Last night was all about humanizing every one of those characters and making us care even more about them (except Dany, of course) before they yank the rug out from under us. The losses will be even more heartbreaking because we've just seen these very human interactions and seen how nearly all of the characters are bonded in some way. It feels like we're clicking up to the top of a huge roller coaster. Next week, we go over the top and the ride begins. It'll be the first of the longer episodes, btw, at an hour and 22 minutes. There really are almost NO spoilers out there and this could mean absolutely nothing depending on the shooting order of the series, but some of the actors have talked about when they wrapped filming. Just in case, I'll spoiler tag it. {Spoiler} Maisie Williams said her last day of the filming was the last day of filming for the series. Unless they shot way out of order OR went back for pick-up shots, that means at the very least that Arya is alive at the beginning of the final episode and possibly to the end of the episode.
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Post by lizard on Apr 23, 2019 3:02:01 GMT
So I wonder when Melisandre pops back in.
One of the podcasters was saying that a book said that the leader of the Golden Company was Rhaegal's bestfriend. Knowledge of his son being alive and just the possibility of having pardons could mean something to the Golden Company. Who knows?
I did not want to be too glowing on the review so as not to color anyone before seeing it. But yes....the best
Choking with laughter over Tormund's giant story.....and so so happy at Brienne being knighted.
I did not think it would be possible for me to dislike Dani, but she was making that possible. Hopefully she will flip back to herself.
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Post by Gutmutter on Apr 23, 2019 11:19:23 GMT
In Dani’s defense, she has only ever known desertion and loss. Her one and only reason for living is ascension to the throne and now the man she loves is taking that away from her (in her eyes) on pretty flimsy evidence right before a major battle with everything on the table. I feel for her. I also guffawed over Tormund’s tale followed by guzzling his horn. Does Brienne have feelings for either/both him/Jaime? Her being knighted was moving. I say pshaw to the theory of Arya being anyone but herself. Just look at her reunion with Jon. I truly hope the battle with the night king is only one episode. Not a fan of battle scenes. It would also mean there are enough major players left for three episodes of drama.
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Post by lizard on Apr 23, 2019 11:36:51 GMT
That is right. Players are getting killed. Does it mean good players are killed on episode three and bad ones on episode five? For sure there is going to be a lot of desperation. Does the desperation peak at episode five? Hmmmm
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Post by Jamie5632 on Apr 23, 2019 19:03:10 GMT
I adored this episode. Obviously the crypts are going to be horrific, because they told us at least four times they are completely safe and everyone in them will be completely safe. Oh, the fire scene was wonderful, as was Tormund jumping to hug Jon. I think part of the change, for me, with Dany is that she's pretty much being how she has always been, but now it's with our beloved characters versus some far away tyrant. As she told Jon, her entire being and life has been to get back the throne. I would have loved to hear his answer when she asked his intentions.
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Post by Amy Lee on Apr 23, 2019 19:38:47 GMT
I totally ship Jamie and Brienne.
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Post by shortlived on Apr 24, 2019 2:53:34 GMT
Battle scenes in GoT are hard to watch because in most TV shows no matter what they do, the main character are not going to die. GoT...not so much, everyone is fair game. The Battle of the Bastards was super hard to watch: killing Rickon, the good guys being surrounded, Sansa almost waiting too long to pull the trigger on the soldiers of the Vale, etc. Not sure I can make it through next week.
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Post by lizard on Apr 24, 2019 15:26:18 GMT
It will be designed to put us in a state of hopelessness and horror.
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Post by Critical on Apr 24, 2019 19:46:50 GMT
I love these two together so much. Even though I’m shipping Brienne and Tormund, these interviews make me happy. They have such great chemistry. youtu.be/ag-v7veOYBk
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Post by Critical on Apr 29, 2019 1:00:27 GMT
OMG. It’s about to start. I’m a bundle of nerves. I’ve got a box of tissues at the ready!
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Post by FireWoman on Apr 29, 2019 2:39:08 GMT
All I can say after all that is Damn.
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Post by lizard on Apr 29, 2019 3:09:03 GMT
I was so frightened, and I was so loud with my shrieking.
I am going to have to watch that to see who is still alive. Hopefully a lot are.
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Post by ccl on Apr 29, 2019 3:41:16 GMT
Negative first: too dark (in colour, I mean), not enough “names” died.
Positive: the Sansa and Tyrion moments, Lyanna going out like a champ,Theon’s stand, all the Arya moments.
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Post by lizard on Apr 29, 2019 4:07:56 GMT
In the preview, I see two dragons flying around, and Dany is happy happy happy.
There is suppose to be a betrayal coming up. I wonder who it is.
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Post by Critical on Apr 29, 2019 4:21:48 GMT
Agreed about the dark part, ccl. The east coast feed is not in HD, so even with a 4K TV, it was hard to see everything. I'm watching it again right now in HD, so I think things will be clearer ARYA!!!! OMG, that was one of the best moments of the whole series! I literally whooped when that happened! That's an instance where I was SO glad I didn't know what would happen. The fact that she used the blade that was used to attack Bran all those years ago was perfect. I also loved Sandor finally pulling it together to save Arya. Oh, and Beric giving up his final life to stave off the wights to save Arya and Sandor was awesome. I think we all pretty much knew Theon was a goner. He'd pledged to protect Bran from the Night King and he wasn't exactly the best fighter in the world - he did battle pretty valiantly to save Bran at the end. I love that Bran (in his own way) forgave Theon, so he could die in peace. Was not expecting Ser Jorah to fall. I was sobbing. Then Drogon coming to wrap himself around Dany and Jorah = BAWLING. Glad little Lyanna Mormont taking out that giant on her way out. Love that actress.
I was so worried about the vanguard fighting with Brienne. I was sure a few of them would be gone. Glad everyone made it through this battle at least. I was pretty sure both Tyrion and Jaime would survive because they need to have one final scene with Cersei.
I also loved that moment in the cripts with Tyrion and Sansa. When he kissed her hand = Her telling him that he was the best of them and him realizing that wasn't such a big compliment! The antitipation at the beginning was almost too much to take. I was shaking I was so nervous.
All those Dothraki just gone. And where is Ghost? : I have to believe that, if he'd fallen we would have known. I hope he'll appear again soon. As soon as I saw that Melissandre had survived the battle, I knew what she would do. I only wish she'd lived a bit longer so she could resurrent Ser Jorah She did manage to save a lot of lives by getting the fires in the trenches lit (did anyone notice the trenches in the new credits?). So we know Viserion is dead. Is Rhaegal gone too or just injured? Maybe I'll be able to see more as I watch in HD.
Now everyone moves on to go after Cersei. I need both her and Euron DEAD (preferably it will be Yara who takes down Euron).
We still have three eps left, so I'm sure more big deaths are coming. I know we've been conditioned over 7.5 seasons to expect bloody everyone to die, but I hope we get some surprises and certain characters that we expect to die actually survive.
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Post by Critical on Apr 29, 2019 5:05:54 GMT
Okay, and why did NO ONE think that the cript with all the dead people was a bad place to hide? All those "smart" people down there, including Tyrion and Varys and no one thought of that one? Tyrion thought he should be out there where he could help because he would see things others hadn't, but he didn't think about all the dead people in the freaking room he was in!
Kudos to Vladimír Furdík (and Richard Brake, who played him previously) for making the Night King so frightening without saying a word!
Okay, and can we talk about how this means that ARYA is Azor Ahai!? Amazing.
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Post by Amy Lee on Apr 29, 2019 5:22:45 GMT
Critical, Ghost is cool. He's in the preview for the next episode. ccl, 'cause it ain't over it.
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Post by momrek06 on Apr 29, 2019 6:37:41 GMT
82 ...... EIGHTY TWO minutes of sheer INTENSITY!!! ARYA .... OUTSTANDING episode ..... all I kept thinking was EMMY!!! 🏆🏆🏆
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Post by Critical on Apr 29, 2019 8:56:34 GMT
In the preview, I see two dragons flying around, and Dany is happy happy happy. There is suppose to be a betrayal coming up. I wonder who it is. Bronn? Either he kills Tyrion or Jaime (doubtful) or he turns on Cersei and sides with the brothers.
Where'd you see something about a betrayal? I saw a theory from some rando on reddit who thinks Tyrion will betray Dany (based on "clues" from the series), but I won't believe that until I see it.
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Post by lizard on Apr 29, 2019 10:06:39 GMT
Where'd you see something about a betrayal? I saw a theory from some rando on reddit who thinks Tyrion will betray Dany (based on "clues" from the series), but I won't believe that until I see it.
Either an interview with Sophie Turner or Maisie Williams, one of them said that there was a betrayal. Kyburn told Bronn that the Cersai has something different planned for the Dragon Queen when Bronn thought he was being paid to kill the dragon queen. I was concerned that the Cersai might have paid a faceless man to get Dany. Kit read the ending in front of people for the first time and cried and cried. Gwendolyn Christie said she cried for two hours after reading the final script......
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Post by waywyrd on Apr 29, 2019 13:04:18 GMT
I chewed my nails to bits watching this last night. Especially after the scene with the Dothraki charging off, swords ablaze...only to watch those flames wink out, one by one. Sh*t, that was scary. Poor Theon and Jorah. I take back everything bad I ever said about you both. They both fought their asses off and redeemed themselves, protecting their chosen ones (Drogon curling himself over a sobbing Dany really did me in). And Lyanna, the tiniest fighter, taking out the biggest undead even after getting half crushed. She was a badass. And I have to throw some love the Hound's way, too, for snapping out of it when he saw Arya in trouble. I love that jerk. But the Queen of the Badasses title goes to Arya and her "up high, down low, in the middle, too slow" move - I didn't even see that coming. I thought Jon would be the one to take out the Night King. If Beric was resurrected all those times just to sacrifice himself later to save Arya, what was Jon resurrected for at the wall...? Hm. I still think Jaime will be Cersei's Valonqar (Arya can't kill both of the Big Bads, can she?), so what is Jon's purpose? Questions: Why did Melisandre stagger off into the snow to die, was she just done at this point? I never did like her - can't forgive her for the Shireen thing - but the firestarting was pretty useful, so thanks for that, I guess. Also - what the hell was Bran doing warging into crows as people were dying everywhere? I didn't get that. For all of Bran's knowledge, he sure doesn't share much.
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Post by FireWoman on Apr 29, 2019 14:57:30 GMT
I chewed my nails to bits watching this last night. Especially after the scene with the Dothraki charging off, swords ablaze...only to watch those flames wink out, one by one. Sh*t, that was scary. Poor Theon and Jorah. I take back everything bad I ever said about you both. They both fought their asses off and redeemed themselves, protecting their chosen ones (Drogon curling himself over a sobbing Dany really did me in). And Lyanna, the tiniest fighter, taking out the biggest undead even after getting half crushed. She was a badass. And I have to throw some love the Hound's way, too, for snapping out of it when he saw Arya in trouble. I love that jerk. But the Queen of the Badasses title goes to Arya and her "up high, down low, in the middle, too slow" move - I didn't even see that coming. I thought Jon would be the one to take out the Night King. If Beric was resurrected all those times just to sacrifice himself later to save Arya, what was Jon resurrected for at the wall...? Hm. I still think Jaime will be Cersei's Valonqar (Arya can't kill both of the Big Bads, can she?), so what is Jon's purpose? Questions: Why did Melisandre stagger off into the snow to die, was she just done at this point? I never did like her - can't forgive her for the Shireen thing - but the firestarting was pretty useful, so thanks for that, I guess. Also - what the hell was Bran doing warging into crows as people were dying everywhere? I didn't get that. For all of Bran's knowledge, he sure doesn't share much. I swear about 10 min in to the episode, I was full body vibrating with excitement, dread, anticipation, you name it. The fiery arakh army was amazing.. seeing the Dothraki charge in so fearless and then one by one they begin to go out.. it really hit home for everyone at Winterfell how powerful this foe was. Theon and Jorah both earned their redemption and is spectacular fashion. Both Bran telling Theon thank you, you are a good man and the curling of Drogon around Dany and Jorah had me sobbing a bit, I am not ashamed to admit. Glad Theon found peace before he died, that character has been through SO much and be reinvited so many times. He died like he was meant to, with honor. I only wish that I was able to see more detail, it was filmed too dark and a bit to blair witchey in the camera action at times. Arya was spectacular all around this episode, from saving The Hound early on, to her fight choreography, to the final stab to the gut on the Night King.. in all the excitement I never fully processed that it is she who is the Prince that was Promised. Yeah, WOW, lol. She came in like a wrecking ball! Melisandre had a few clues earlier on in the episode, that I only noticed the second time around when I knew what happened... there were meaningful glances and log looks at Arya but the moment(s)/reminder(s) in the hall (was that the hall at that point it was hard to distinguish in all the destruction) with The Hound and her reminder of 2 things, "the brown, green, blue eyes" Arya will shut forever (AND who has green eyes ???? hmmmm?????? Just like Prince was gender neutral in regards to Azor Ahai, so can Little Brother be. Maggy the Frog never said HER little brother, just the little brother or the valonqar) and the "What do we say to the god of death?" "Not today." exchange (to which my friend and I both answered at the some time, and it also got me a bit choked up thinking of Syrio). With Beric's death, his last in like a string of what 15, 20, something like that, his time was done once he saved Arya. So we had Melisandre's looks at Arya, the lighting of the trenches, the speeches, and then her death.. Yes Way, she too was simply done.. the reason for her centuries long existence was to find Azor Ahai and when she did, the battle for the dawn was done, the Lord of Light won.. she could die. I guess her long night was over...... (rim shot here). I wish the legend, myth, story, whatever you want to call it was better fleshed out in the show.. the books have a lot more. I guess it was 3 seasons ago they knew that Arya was Azor Ahai, so looking back once can see some of the hints at it, and maybe that was one way they tried to embed it in the series. On a side note, I have to say just how beautiful Carice van Houten is.. she was such a perfectly cast actress in this series. I have to give her props, Little Lady Lyanna went out like a boss! It almost killed me to see her eyes open blue, sigh, loved that little woman! RIP House Mormont She fought with more stones than Sam did (was so disappointed in him this episode what happened to the Slayer of White Walkers. Lover of ladies??) Now the bad, IMO. Jon, you are not going to kill an zombie dragon by screaming at it. (hard eye roll here) I know that wasn't the substance of the scene but it sure felt that way. lol. As mentioned by most of us already, it was hard to follow things because it was SO dark at times. Whereas there were some simply majestic, wide angle, aerial dragon scenes, I wanted more aerial dragon fighting! So take this to read, not enough dragons. Oh Hi Ghost, nice to see you rocked in again for 2 cameos. SMH It is starting to feel like "fans want to see him so we will plop 'em in here and there... no one will notice she does nothing but stand there right?" I am happy with all that have survived thus far, I thought this was gong to be far more devastating than it turned out to be. Well, for now. Death Count: Theon Greyjoy Lyanna Mormont Ser Jorah Mormont Lord Beric Dondarrion (again) Edd Tollett (gonna miss him, I admit may not have been a BIG presence but damn he had some good lines) Viserion (again) All the Dothraki Melisandre (expected, at last by her) And Ole Blue Eyes himself.. The Night King Now on to Kings Landing. I can't wait. Who will kill the Mad Queen? Who will sit on the thorne? Who will be the new hand? Who else will die? Will we ever get Cleganebowl?!?!?!?! Will Ghost have more screen time?!
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