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Post by lonnie on Mar 30, 2019 0:48:46 GMT
I read that the ratings are at the lowest in the show's history, maybe it will be cancelled.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Mar 30, 2019 1:01:18 GMT
Something just smells funny about this whole thing. I felt that in the beginning. Then when the investigation very rapidly came to all sorts of "answers". Now with the whole thing being dropped so abruptly & with no explanation, it smells even funnier. Something is going on that they all are hiding, and now they've gag ordered the whole thing. This is just off. In the end, if they've dropped all charges & cleared Jussie, I hope people let him resume his role on the show & resume his career. Cleared is cleared & he needs to be able to move on. I stand with you on this. I've noticed too many people are quick to once again defend the police based on what the police have said, At first, when Jessie reported the attack I wasn't sure I believed him. However, The D.A. cannot pursue charges they bring forward if at some point they realize the charges are made in bad faith or are pinned on false evidence or exaggerated evidence. What really turned my thinking though, was the big show put on by the head of the Chicago Police Dept. the day Jessie appeared in court for the first time. On national television this cop decided to state Jessie Smullet was guilty of every charge. He went on to state that his dept. spent their manpower pursuing Jessies case, thus pulling detectives away from other cases. However, the Chicago police were under immense pressure before the Smullet incident to FOLLOW THROUGH with families whose loved ones were murdered. In some cases, families had and continue t have to chase down the one detective assigned to their cases. One woman, whose 21 year old daughter was murdered as she walked home has actually taken up the case on her own-doing so long before Smullet was arrested. For me, just because a cop says such and such a thing is true or not true does mot mean they hold any currency with me, based on the history of that particular dept. and based on how I was treated as a victim by another police dept. The 10,000 dollars Smullet gave to the city is hardly bribe money as it amounts to giving them 25 cents in the financial scheme of things. And what of the brothers? Why weren't people questioning their getting away with this scott free? If this was a dreamt up scheme and they participated, why are they not facing charges? Now the gag order? This whole thing smells. I'd also love to hear from the female witness who saw the whole thing. She's supposedly a newscaster. That was the ace in the hole, allegedly. I hope a investigative journalist can weed their way through this.
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 30, 2019 1:19:17 GMT
I think that it's easy for people to forget the impact these days of being judged in the court of public opinion. What they did was wrong, and to face the legal ramifications for that is right. But the way that wrongdoing is handled these days via public outrage can I think cross over into cruel and unusual punishment. I've been dismayed by some of the things I've seen written about Laughlin's daughters, who may be entitled and spoiled, but they are still young women being blasted that way. I'm not sure that people always remember they are talking about real life people with some of the comments they post on people's social media. Facing that would be grueling for anyone. I think the reason the public is taking them (parents) to task is that Lori (not sure about the father) went on several tv shows talking about how thrilling it was for her daughters to be accepted to USC and how exciting it is to see them off to college yet how emotional it has been as their Mom whose daughters are off to college leaving the "nest" empty. So those "clips" were playing allot all over the internet and on different talk shows as the News reported about the "Varsity Blues" case. So then today with the likes of twitter etc the family is getting bullied all over the place. I mean those clips looked really bad esp knowing what we do now. No one gave much thought to those clips before other than Aunt Becky's "girls" are off to college. It's cruel world out there today. I don't do or follow twitter so I cannot comment on what is happening with the daughters but that one video of O.J. circulated around ad nauseam with her stating she would rather party than attend class (I am paraphrasing) so of course that looks awful for her and the fact she is only there as her parents paid off the Singer. My 33yo DIL is a graduate of UCLA and is on the Faculty of USC. She has busted her butt to get where she is today. (We are so proud of her accomplishments). I asked her about all the media surrounding USC and she said to me "honestly no one talks about it".
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Post by redsoxgirl on Mar 30, 2019 1:22:26 GMT
Read the full article here : www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/06/the-intersection-many-missed-in-smolletts-case/March 6, 2019 The Intersection Many Missed in Smollett’s Case by Chelli Stanley CPD’s story has changed. Initially they said they considered Smollett a victim. “Superintendent Eddie Johnson, said during an appearance on WLS-TV that…Smollett has been ‘very cooperative and we have no reason at this point to think he’s not being genuine with us.'” But after deciding to prosecute him, “Chicago’s police chief said they were suspicious when ‘Empire’ star Jussie Smollett first told detectives that two masked men taunted him with racist and homophobic slurs before beating him and looping a noose around his neck. ‘From the very beginning we had some questions about it,’ Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson.” The police say they have evidence but they have not shown it publicly. Therefore, innocent until proven guilty must stand. Not innocent until the police say you’re guilty, or innocent until the media says you are, because then a huge portion of the country will never get justice. Railroading someone into prison is not a hard thing to do.If you’re not familiar with how Black men are prosecuted in this country, it can feel like wading into a muck of poison to hear even snippets of it. This is a country where Black men clearly have an unwanted intimacy with the criminal justice system and where the majority of federal cases don’t even go to trial – “Ninety-seven percent of federal convictions and ninety-four percent of state convictions are the results of guilty pleas.” Instead, people plead guilty en masse to get a lesser sentence. The implications here are enormous. What is particularly absurd about the CPD’s case against Smollett is the motive they say they have discovered: that Smollett wanted more money for his work on Empire, something denied by both Smollett and Empire. There is no evidence for this whatsoever, yet CPD speaks as though they have read Smollett’s mind and ascertained his true nature. In fact they said, “When we discovered the actual motive, quite frankly, it pissed everybody off.” The truth is they did not ‘discover’ the ‘actual’ motive. In fact, if CPD’s accusations are correct and Smollett made up this attack for attention, why was it his 60 year old friend who called the police and convinced him to file a police report in the first place?
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 30, 2019 1:36:57 GMT
The issue I have with Jussie if he is innocent.......then WHO DID THIS TO HIM IF IT REALLY DID HAPPEN??????? I mean to me its seems like the OJ Simpson case. While OJ was found not guilty WHO ELSE would have done that to Nicole? We came to find out how dysfunctional their marriage was and how abusive OJ was to her. To this day, there has never been ANYONE coming even close to being questioned OR accused of murdering Nicole and Ron............ Same with Jussie........WHO DID THIS if he is telling the truth? I mean he refused to hand off his iphone to police and finally when he did it was 13 days AFTER the assault and the phone bill was "heavily" redacted. pagesix.com/2019/02/12/jussie-smollett-gives-incomplete-phone-records-to-cops/I mean #3,500 for 5 weeks of nutrition classes........He gave one of the brothers $100.00 for ONE week in September. At $3,500 for 5 weeks that means NOW it's up to $700.00 A WEEK? www.complex.com/pop-culture/2019/02/jussie-smollett-3500-check-alleged-fake-attackers-reportedly-trainingSo many "red flags" with this case.
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Post by lonnie on Mar 30, 2019 2:03:35 GMT
Nicolas Cage filed for an annulment four days after getting married, stating that he was too drunk to understand what he was doing. Classy
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Post by Kao on Mar 30, 2019 3:37:48 GMT
He is so damn messy. He was recorded at the marriage place in Las Vegas drunk as a skunk screaming about how "she's gonna take all of my money!" and the bride screaming back "I never asked you to marry me, hun!" Then they went in the office and came out with papers...
I really think that in cases when a party is obviously too inebriated to consent that they should be refused a marriage license. If this is your fourth marriage obviously it's something you're not good at and maybe you should try something else. And doon't get me started about the fetishist behavior surrounding his last two marriages...
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 30, 2019 3:53:02 GMT
I read that the ratings are at the lowest in the show's history, maybe it will be cancelled. Can't they just drop trouble, and keep the rest. ?
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 30, 2019 4:59:05 GMT
He is so damn messy. He was recorded at the marriage place in Las Vegas drunk as a skunk screaming about how "she's gonna take all of my money!" and the bride screaming back "I never asked you to marry me, hun!" Then they went in the office and came out with papers... I really think that in cases when a party is obviously too inebriated to consent that they should be refused a marriage license. If this is your fourth marriage obviously it's something you're not good at and maybe you should try something else. And doon't get me started about the fetishist behavior surrounding his last two marriages... And you know that anyone who names his poor child Kal-El isn't right in the head.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Mar 31, 2019 1:21:13 GMT
Nicolas Cage filed for an annulment four days after getting married, stating that he was too drunk to understand what he was doing. Classy Nicolas Cage stating that he was too drunk to understand what he was doing????? Hmmmm, I guess he didn't learn anything from his own film, "Leaving Las Vegas" --- in which he played a raging alcoholic who was so drunk all time that, he not only could not understand what he was doing, but he literally drank himself to death!!!
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 31, 2019 14:59:25 GMT
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Mar 31, 2019 15:44:23 GMT
^Never watched Empire or heard of Jussie Smollett before the alleged attack but I thought the SNL skit was in poor taste last night. The man obviously has some mental problems and to kick him while he's down seemed very unkind. Jmho
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 31, 2019 16:05:59 GMT
^Never watched Empire or heard of Jussie Smollett before the alleged attack but I thought the SNL skit was in poor taste last night. The man obviously has some mental problems and to kick him while he's down seemed very unkind. Jmho I agree with you, Eastcoastmom. I think people feel with the abundance of evidence against him and he continues to tell the world he has been exonerated (which he hasn't) .... he is in denial, complete denial and that bothers people. This was a horrid HATE crime IMHO and then for it to be a HOAX.....YES he needs help. Oh my, a noose, bleach, hate words....... I feel someone screwed something up in the Prosecutors Offices and so they had no choice to let JS off by saying (and covering themselves) on 16 hours of community service (2 days) and forfeited his $10,000 bond. Seriously, if he knew in reality he was exonerated WHY would he allow them to keep that amount of money?
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Post by justCoz on Mar 31, 2019 18:34:03 GMT
^Never watched Empire or heard of Jussie Smollett before the alleged attack but I thought the SNL skit was in poor taste last night. The man obviously has some mental problems and to kick him while he's down seemed very unkind. Jmho I agree with you, Eastcoastmom . I think people feel with the abundance of evidence against him and he continues to tell the world he has been exonerated (which he hasn't) .... he is in denial, complete denial and that bothers people. This was a horrid HATE crime IMHO and then for it to be a HOAX.....YES he needs help. Oh my, a noose, bleach, hate words....... I feel someone screwed something up in the Prosecutors Offices and so they had no choice to let JS off by saying (and covering themselves) on 16 hours of community service (2 days) and forfeited his $10,000 bond. Seriously, if he knew in reality he was exonerated WHY would he allow them to keep that amount of money? Everything I've seen and heard has been more along the lines of corruption, and political clout, not incompetence. It's not just a few people saying what happened was extremely unusual either. It's been many people and many different groups. Most of which have no affiliation with the case, so no vested reason to say it was unusual. I think that's why it's so notable. I have lost track of how many different legal analysts I've read that are stating it's unusual and how it's unusual. I even saw one national group (of prosecutors?) stating what changes need to take place because this was so shady. Eta: found the group I meant...National District Attorneys Association. In light of the case, the National District Attorneys Association released a statement on best prosecutorial practices in high-profile cases. Among its recommendations: recusals of chief prosecutors should apply to the entire office; prosecutors should not take advice from politically active friends of the accused; alternative prosecution should include the defendant admitting culpability; and Smollett's record should not have been expunged immediately in the interest of transparency. www.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/jussie-smollett-backlash-friday/index.html
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Post by dagwood on Apr 1, 2019 0:58:36 GMT
^Never watched Empire or heard of Jussie Smollett before the alleged attack but I thought the SNL skit was in poor taste last night. The man obviously has some mental problems and to kick him while he's down seemed very unkind. Jmho I agree but it seems SNL does a lot of kicking when someone's down lately.
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Post by betty80 on Apr 1, 2019 16:21:30 GMT
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Post by acookertv on Apr 1, 2019 16:43:32 GMT
^Never watched Empire or heard of Jussie Smollett before the alleged attack but I thought the SNL skit was in poor taste last night. The man obviously has some mental problems and to kick him while he's down seemed very unkind. Jmho I agree but it seems SNL does a lot of kicking when someone's down lately. Lately? Hasn't that always been in the fabric of SNL?
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Post by lonnie on Apr 1, 2019 17:11:32 GMT
Concerning being nominated for an acting award, I think it would have been kind of ironic if he had won the award.
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Post by dagwood on Apr 1, 2019 19:22:18 GMT
I agree but it seems SNL does a lot of kicking when someone's down lately. Lately? Hasn't that always been in the fabric of SNL? I guess but it just seems to me it has gotten more and more mean-spirited than it used to be.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Apr 1, 2019 21:11:13 GMT
The AG has stated they never received all the evidence the Chicago Police stated they had, regarding Jessie Smullet. This would include key pieces of evidence used to bring those 16 charges. On Friday the AG stated they don't have the evidence needed to convict Jussie Smullet. Because key pieces of evidence were never handed over to them by the Chicago Police. As to why some of us are questioning the Police depts. story, back in 2017, the United States attorney general found that the Chicago P.D. was guilty of falsifying evidence, making up police reports that did not reflect events truthfully, they were found to have used torture as well as having a secret prison in a building called Homan. All of this is easily found on the web. This was systemic, occurring over decades, well into 2017. Most supervisors ignored or encouraged this behavior. The few good cops who reported the bad behavior to the chain of command found themselves labeled rats and were told no one would answer their calls for back-up. Two years ago a museum opened up in Chicago that displays thousands of photos and documents that reflect in ugly detail the reign of terror conducted by the Chicago Police dept. They've also paid out millions in restitution to victims and families of victims tortured by the dept. None of this is from 'the old days.' The investigation covered 4 plus decades beginning in the 1970's until the 2010's. Jussie Smullet will spend the rest of his life with a cloud of suspicion over his head. He was denied a trial, while simultaneously being deemed guilty by the Chicago P.D. (and yes, the A.G. is part of the Chicago Police dept.) Meanwhile, many citizens of Chicago want to know why the police don't put in the same effort into solving the murders of their family members. If they had the resources for Smullet, then they should have the same for other victims. But, they don't. So, the message sent is solving this crime was more important than solving the murders of your loved ones. www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-justice-department-report-20170113-story.html
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Post by redsoxgirl on Apr 1, 2019 21:18:17 GMT
www.theroot.com/feds-confirm-that-the-chicago-police-dept-is-as-corrup-1791173264“The procedures surrounding investigations allow for ample opportunity for collusion among officers and are devoid of any rules prohibiting such coordination,” the report said, according to the Associated Press. U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch said that the report lays “the groundwork for the difficult but necessary work of building a stronger, safer, and more united Chicago for all who call it home,” AP reports.The report found that witnesses were often never interviewed, and officers colluded to make sure shooting stories had the same narrative. www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-torture-scandal-casts-long-shadow-over-chicago-n409466Jon Burge Case: Police Torture Scandal Still Casts Long Shadow Over Chicago For thirty plus years Chicago police officers tortured suspects into confessing to crimes they did not commit. Mayor Rob Emanuel’s Shame: Chicago’s Secret Prison is ‘Constitution-Free Zone’ 21stcenturywire.com/2015/02/28/emanuels-shame-chicagos-secret-prison-is-a-constitution-free-zone/This week, thanks to The Guardian newspaper in Great Britain, the world discovered a building known simply as ‘Homan Square’ – an off-the-books urban prison where unspeakable things happen on a routine basis. Located just off of West Fillmore Avenue, it’s been described as Chicago’s answer to Abu Graib, where police employ “Gestapo tactics”, holding detainees in secrecy – and without access to lawyers or due process. Detainees are regularly subject to brutal treatment, including shackling, physical and mental abuse that has included, among other things, attacks to their face and genitals.
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Post by momrek06 on Apr 1, 2019 22:52:08 GMT
If everyone is believing that JS was attacked then WHERE ARE HIS ATTACKERS? That is the question I would like ANSWERED? Where are these people that are roaming around Chicago wearing MAGA hats ATTACKING people?
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Post by momrek06 on Apr 1, 2019 23:00:04 GMT
If you all recall, the attorneys and the prosecutors and judge were all set to hear this case and they had just ruled and agreed on CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM. So if they had gotten THIS FAR with the 16 Felonies and then the CHARGES were DROPPED.........this is all SUSPICIOUS.
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Post by lonnie on Apr 2, 2019 19:16:53 GMT
-Mexican Rocker Armando Vega Gil Dead at 64, following accusations of abuse
Armando Vega Gil, bass player and co-founder of the Mexican rock band Botellita de Jerez, killed himself on Monday, after being accused of sexually abusing a minor. He was 64.
The Reuters news agency reports that his body was found at his home in Mexico City by local authorities. A representative for the band, Paola Hernandez said that she spoke to him by phone at 2a.m., approximately two hours before his death.
Before he died, Vega Gil posted a suicide message on Twitter. He strongly denying the accusations that had been made anonymously via the @metoomusicamx account on Twitter.
“Let me make it clear that my death is not a confession of guilt, on the contrary it is a radical declaration of my innocence,” he wrote (in Spanish) on Twitter. “Don’t blame anyone for my death, this suicide is a voluntary, free and personal decision. Hasta pronto.” He said, given the power of social media, he believed that he would not be able to clear his name and that he wanted to make sure that his son’s life was not blighted by the accusations.
Vega Gil’s accuser said that the incident happened 13 years ago. She accused him of inviting her to his home, where his sexual advances allegedly included his offering to teach her how to kiss.
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Post by betty80 on Apr 3, 2019 15:28:52 GMT
LORI LOUGHLIN & FELICITY HUFFMAN ANY PLEA DEAL WILL HAVE PRISON ATTACHED"Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman could cut plea bargains if they want 'em -- but they wouldn't be getting off easy ... because prosecutors want prison time, TMZ has learned. Federal law enforcement sources tell TMZ, any plea would come with a recommendation by prosecutors that the actresses serve some time behind bars. The official told us, "You can't have people being treated differently because they have money. That's how we got to this place. Every defendant will be treated the same." Prosecutors will not have the final word if the cases are plea bargained. The U.S. Attorney would make a recommendation to the judge, but the judge has the final word. Lori and Felicity each face a maximum of 5 years in prison if convicted of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud. Our sources say it is "likely" plea bargain discussions will begin, but we're told no plea deal has been made. Lori and her husband, Mossimo Giannulli, have been accused of paying ringleader Rick Singer $500,000 to get their daughters into USC by falsely claiming they would participate in the crew team. Felicity is accused of paying Singer $15,000 to rig her daughter's SAT test. 50 people have been charged in the alleged scams, and we're told more indictments are expected."
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Post by betty80 on Apr 3, 2019 21:45:54 GMT
BRITNEY SPEARS CHECKS INTO MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY ... Distraught Over Dad's Illness"Britney Spears has been admitted to a mental health facility ... TMZ has learned. Sources connected to Britney tell TMZ she has been distraught over her dad's illness ... something we're told is quite serious and not getting better. Jamie Spears has now had 2 surgeries to correct major issues with his intestines and colon. The second surgery was recent but he's been suffering complications. Jamie's issues started late last year after his colon spontaneously ruptured. As you know, Britney put her Vegas residency on hold to care for her dad, and we're told she's been having a really hard time. Britney posted a photo with the words, "Fall in love with taking care of yourself, mind, body, spirit" along with the caption, "We all need to take a little time for a little 'me time.'" Our sources say Britney checked herself into the facility about a week ago where she will live for 30 days." It was back in November when Spears announced her Las Vegas show, Britney: Domination, would be put on ice to deal with her dad's health issues ... saying, "A couple of months ago, my father was hospitalized and almost died. We're all so grateful that he came out of it alive, but he still has a long road ahead of him. I had to make the difficult decision to put my full focus and energy on my family at this time." As TMZ reported, Britney has been under a conservatorship since 2008 for issues relating to bipolarity. As for how her dad's illness is affecting her ... remember, Jamie saved Britney's life by stepping in back in 2007 when he said he feared he would wake up one morning and get a call from the coroner."
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Post by JustJuls on Apr 3, 2019 21:54:35 GMT
Oh no So sorry to hear this.
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Post by momrek06 on Apr 4, 2019 15:04:34 GMT
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Post by JustJuls on Apr 4, 2019 21:23:40 GMT
It's a very personal experience that we don't talk about enough imo. For some reason it isn't something people want to know about ...or know how to deal with when someone goes through that loss. So the people that experience it are often left feeling even more alone. It's incredibly hard. It's a death that you often grieve alone.
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Post by momrek06 on Apr 4, 2019 21:48:10 GMT
It's a very personal experience that we don't talk about enough imo. For some reason it isn't something people want to know about ...or know how to deal with when someone goes through that loss. So the people that experience it are often left feeling even more alone. It's incredibly hard. It's a death that you often grieve alone. I am not sure who you are talking about JustJuls .... " people not wanting to know about it" .... " people not knowing how to deal with it" .... " people grieving a miscarriage are left feeling even more alone" .... My DIL had a miscarriage and both our families (her family in Canada) and my family here in the USA, as well as all her GF's and co-workers gathered around her. We made sure she did not go through this alone. We were all there for her from the minute she thought something not right was happening. But one thing I will tell you for sure...there was NO way my DIL was putting this private personal moment on social media including pics of her in her underwear.
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