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Post by redsoxgirl on Apr 9, 2019 7:27:46 GMT
This article is a long read. But, I hope people will take the time to read it because this investigative reporting gives powerful insight into the behavior of Police Superintendent Eddie Williams. The high profile cases he's been involved with are staggering. The corruption, the looking the other way for decades is depressing. The article, btw, was published in NOv.2018, months before the Jussie Smollet case. Superintendent Eddie Johnson’s career in the Chicago Police Department raises troubling questions about the future of police reform in the city. theintercept.com/2018/11/14/chicago-police-department-superintendent-eddie-johnson/
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Post by betty80 on Apr 9, 2019 11:53:17 GMT
Are Lori's glasses new? Are they new for the legal case?
Lori Loughlin’s Acting Career Continued with a Special Weekend Performance Featuring Her Other Daughter"She could just be a Los Angeles mom, living her life, giving her daughter a full-on embrace with an open-mouth smile while she waits for valet to bring her car around. Or, Lori Loughlin could be continuing to posture for the press — as if to say "everything's fine! Nothing to see here!" — as she faces possible prison time for her alleged involvement in the college admissions scandal. To review, last week, the Fuller House actress was seen smiling as she signed autographs for fans outside the Boston courthouse where she had her hearing. Then, over the weekend, paparazzi just happened to capture (ahem) photos of her hugging her eldest daughter, Isabella Rose, amid rumors that at least one of her daughters is furious at her and her husband for allegedly bribing officials to allow them entrance to University of Southern California. Conspicuously, Loughlin's youngest daughter, Olivia Jade, was not present for the (staged? could it be?) outing. Rumors abound that the YouTube influencer — who never showed interest in college, anyway — blames her parents for the demise of her career. After the scandal came to light, Olivia Jade lost her deals with both Sephora and TRESemme." Hiiii betty80 .... while I know nothing of the law and my son and dil in WASH DC are both attorneys but its a pain for me to call them all the time to ask them to define something .... (which I do ALLOT when I see stuff in the News)!!! BUT on this post of yours and the article .....Harvey Levin commented last week after seeing LL in Boston, smiling, all giddy and signing autographs, he made the comments that the JUDGE for this Varsity Blue's case is really tough and if she (as judge is a female) see the likes of this type of nonsense from LL as this is a VERY SERIOUS situation .... the sentence could be more severe that LL expects. LL so needs to REIN IT IN. Keep a low profile. TMZ has pics of her all over Hollywood this weekend with her other daughter laughing it up and having a blast. Judge feels that type of behavior is not acceptable and may send the wrong message to people that again the RICH and FAMOUS are ABOVE the LAW. Interesting ... huh Thank you. I think your analysis is/will be correct. it makes LL look horrible and clueless.
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Post by momrek06 on Apr 9, 2019 18:14:31 GMT
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Post by FannyMare on Apr 9, 2019 18:24:20 GMT
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Post by momrek06 on Apr 9, 2019 22:52:54 GMT
Look I am all about "paying your dues" but this is kinda getting ridiculous. While I know nothing about the law and mail fraud and money laundering BUT FORTY YEARS!!!!!!!!! And I think I have seen about 5 articles on this breaking news all over the internet. Geez. This is getting scary for LL and her family. Talk about sending a message!!!!!! Lori Loughlin now facing 40 YEARS in prison after grand jury indicts her and 18 other parents on charges of fraud and money laundering in college admissions scandalwww.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6904263/Lori-Loughlin-facing-40-YEARS-prison-grand-indicts-18-parents.html "Lori Loughlin and the 18 other parents who did not enter guilty pleas in the college admissions scandal have been hit with a superseding indictment
They are now charged with both mail fraud and money laundering, charges which each carry a sentence of up to 20 years in prison
The couple could also be facing fines of over $1 million after the payments they made were categorized as charitable donations"
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Post by Realitychick on Apr 9, 2019 23:04:22 GMT
Forgive my ignorance but 40 years for THIS? My roommate in college was assaulted and the guy got 1 year. Why does it seem that financial crimes tend to have more punishment then other crimes that involve bodily harm?
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Post by momrek06 on Apr 10, 2019 0:25:47 GMT
Oh wow.......interesting BUT I do not think they are actively attending classes at all. And I do not blame them. I think they stated they felt they would be bullied if they went back. I would want to lay low for a very long time.
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Post by acookertv on Apr 10, 2019 1:46:42 GMT
Forgive my ignorance but 40 years for THIS? My roommate in college was assaulted and the guy got 1 year. Why does it seem that financial crimes tend to have more punishment then other crimes that involve bodily harm? Great point. This may be one of those “could be 40 years but ends up much less” I’d guess. If not, perhaps the thinking is that only being away that long will cause an impact?
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Post by justCoz on Apr 10, 2019 2:54:03 GMT
Look I am all about "paying your dues" but this is kinda getting ridiculous. While I know nothing about the law and mail fraud and money laundering BUT FORTY YEARS!!!!!!!!! And I think I have seen about 5 articles on this breaking news all over the internet. Geez. This is getting scary for LL and her family. Talk about sending a message!!!!!! Lori Loughlin now facing 40 YEARS in prison after grand jury indicts her and 18 other parents on charges of fraud and money laundering in college admissions scandalwww.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6904263/Lori-Loughlin-facing-40-YEARS-prison-grand-indicts-18-parents.html "Lori Loughlin and the 18 other parents who did not enter guilty pleas in the college admissions scandal have been hit with a superseding indictment
They are now charged with both mail fraud and money laundering, charges which each carry a sentence of up to 20 years in prison
The couple could also be facing fines of over $1 million after the payments they made were categorized as charitable donations"I agree, especially since the news about Allison Mack is in the news at the same time and she's looking at only 15 max in comparison. I'm not saying they shouldn't be punished, but the penalties seemed skewed to me.
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Post by JustJuls on Apr 10, 2019 3:02:42 GMT
I definitely feel like they are wanting to make an example out of Lori.
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Post by momrek06 on Apr 10, 2019 3:45:17 GMT
Oh wow.......interesting BUT I do not think they are actively attending classes at all. And I do not blame them. I think they stated they felt they would be bullied if they went back. I would want to lay low for a very long time. I think Olivia Jade would like to withdraw from college. I don’t think they’re worried about being bullied... they had to say something about why they weren’t in class/on campus. Hi bachelorwatcher ...... I read about several online articles (back when all this was happening) about the girls fear of being bullied. Lori Loughlin’s daughters drop out of USC after admissions scandalpagesix.com/2019/03/14/lori-loughlins-daughters-drop-out-of-usc-after-admissions-scandal/ Lori Loughlin‘s daughters are dropping out of the University of Southern California — because they’re afraid of being bullied over the massive college admissions scam that has left them feeling like “a mess,” a report said."
One source told 'page six' website the girls worry they’ll be “viciously bullied” if they return to school.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Apr 10, 2019 3:58:12 GMT
Oh wow.......interesting BUT I do not think they are actively attending classes at all. And I do not blame them. I think they stated they felt they would be bullied if they went back. I would want to lay low for a very long time. True, but USC is NOT ALLOWING them to drop out --- which means that the daughters will now be held LEGALLY accountable for their part (if any) in their parents actions. That is waaaaay more serious than the girls just deciding, on their own, that they were dropping out.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Apr 10, 2019 4:05:47 GMT
What I want to know is how Felicity Huffman's HUSBAND William Macy is escaping any liability. Surely he must've known she was bribing the exam proctor(s). Even if she kept him completely in the dark about it, (which seems so unlikely to me), where did he think the $15,000 went? Did she keep that a secret from him too? If she did, that makes her MORE guilty, and possibly makes him NOT guilty. But even so, he must have, at least, been an accessory to the crime --- or an accessory after-the-fact. Or something. . . Definition. An accessory-after-the-fact is someone who 1) assists someone who has committed a crime, 2) after the person has committed the crime, 3) with knowledge that the person committed the crime, and 4) with the intent to help the person avoid arrest or punishment.
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Post by MissGriss on Apr 10, 2019 5:27:03 GMT
This doesn't make sense. Since when can a university keep a student from dropping out? It sounds a lot like the academic equivalent of "You can't break up with me. I'm breaking up with YOU!" :eyeroll
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Post by acookertv on Apr 10, 2019 9:57:07 GMT
What I want to know is how Felicity Huffman's HUSBAND William Macy is escaping any liability. Surely he must've known she was bribing the exam proctor(s). Even if she kept him completely in the dark about it, (which seems so unlikely to me), where did he think the $15,000 went? Did she keep that a secret from him too? If she did, that makes her MORE guilty, and possibly makes him NOT guilty. But even so, he must have, at least, been an accessory to the crime --- or an accessory after-the-fact. Or something. . . Definition. An accessory-after-the-fact is someone who 1) assists someone who has committed a crime, 2) after the person has committed the crime, 3) with knowledge that the person committed the crime, and 4) with the intent to help the person avoid arrest or punishment. I would guess that Macy has not been charged simply because evidence does not exist connecting him to anything - a marriage certificate is not enough. While I totally agree with you that it's very reasonable to believe he knew about it, if prosecutors don't have any evidence that connects him to what happened, they can't prosecute based on reasonable assumptions. Given how widespread the people being charged are, they may have very well made the decision that going after him without evidence would weaken the overall case. When you consider that the Jussie Smollett case and the Harvey Weinstein case are now being reported to be hurt by overzealous prosecution, showing restraint in this case may be wise in the big picture.
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Post by Gutmutter on Apr 10, 2019 10:38:23 GMT
What gets me is when they say the kids knew nothing about it... you didn’t know that having a longer, private test time isn’t the norm? And, I’m sorry, but you KNOW how you do on a test, generally, and her scores should have clued her in. It’s only slightly more believable that you don’t know you’re there for sports. I keep hearing about a woman who got THREE YEARS for lying about her address so her kids could go to a better public school. They should at least get that.
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Post by kiz on Apr 10, 2019 11:01:16 GMT
This doesn't make sense. Since when can a university keep a student from dropping out? It sounds a lot like the academic equivalent of "You can't break up with me. I'm breaking up with YOU!" :eyeroll I wonder if USC is not allowing a simple withdraw because the w/d deadline has passed. I would think that their final grades would most likely be Fs, since they're not attending, and no refunds on their tuition.
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Post by acookertv on Apr 10, 2019 12:26:27 GMT
What gets me is when they say the kids knew nothing about it... you didn’t know that having a longer, private test time isn’t the norm? And, I’m sorry, but you KNOW how you do on a test, generally, and her scores should have clued her in. It’s only slightly more believable that you don’t know you’re there for sports. I keep hearing about a woman who got THREE YEARS for lying about her address so her kids could go to a better public school. They should at least get that I think it's fairly common though for kids to perceive that life as they know it is what is normal. I've heard the younger Barbara Bush say that after George HW Bush was inaugurated she asked kids at school when their grandfathers inauguration was because she thought everyone's grandfather got to be president. So when you look at these kids who have probably had access to things most of their lives that a lot of people don't, they are not necessarily going to see it as unusual. If they go to a Lakers game, they don't find it odd that the players come over and say hi. If they go to a restaurant, they don't find it odd that they bypass the crowd and get seated right away. When their big school dances come around, they may have a stylist who brings cool dresses over to the house. This is life that they consider normal. So if they go into a room to take a standardized test and there's no one else there they may not think it's strange because they don't know what the process normally looks like, and they've had access to special things all their lives.
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Post by Cuddles on Apr 10, 2019 12:50:36 GMT
What gets me is when they say the kids knew nothing about it... you didn’t know that having a longer, private test time isn’t the norm? And, I’m sorry, but you KNOW how you do on a test, generally, and her scores should have clued her in. It’s only slightly more believable that you don’t know you’re there for sports. I keep hearing about a woman who got THREE YEARS for lying about her address so her kids could go to a better public school. They should at least get that. I agree, Gutmutter. If lying about your address to get your children into a neighboring district constitutes years in prison, then there's no justification to months in prison for the crimes these people have committed. But our system is broken. We saw that with Manafort's sentencing. As for believable or unbelievable... I agree again. And moreover, these students had been competing with their classmates for years. They knew how they ranked! Unless you're valedictorian, and even then, you know you're not getting into some of these places. Plus, they'd taken the PSAT so they had that indicator as well. Where were the guidance counselors? Surely they knew something wasn't right.
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Post by Gutmutter on Apr 10, 2019 14:23:02 GMT
What gets me is when they say the kids knew nothing about it... you didn’t know that having a longer, private test time isn’t the norm? And, I’m sorry, but you KNOW how you do on a test, generally, and her scores should have clued her in. It’s only slightly more believable that you don’t know you’re there for sports. I keep hearing about a woman who got THREE YEARS for lying about her address so her kids could go to a better public school. They should at least get that. I agree, Gutmutter. If lying about your address to get your children into a neighboring district constitutes years in prison, then there's no justification to months in prison for the crimes these people have committed. But our system is broken. We saw that with Manafort's sentencing. As for believable or unbelievable... I agree again. And moreover, these students had been competing with their classmates for years. They knew how they ranked! Unless you're valedictorian, and even then, you know you're not getting into some of these places. Plus, they'd taken the PSAT so they had that indicator as well. Where were the guidance counselors? Surely they knew something wasn't right. And when you identify yourself as a “social influencer” your whole world is skewed.
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Post by momrek06 on Apr 10, 2019 15:24:50 GMT
Hi bachelorwatcher ...... I read about several online articles (back when all this was happening) about the girls fear of being bullied. Lori Loughlin’s daughters drop out of USC after admissions scandalpagesix.com/2019/03/14/lori-loughlins-daughters-drop-out-of-usc-after-admissions-scandal/ Lori Loughlin‘s daughters are dropping out of the University of Southern California — because they’re afraid of being bullied over the massive college admissions scam that has left them feeling like “a mess,” a report said."
One source told 'page six' website the girls worry they’ll be “viciously bullied” if they return to school. Maybe their lawyers told them to say they were worried about being bullied. bachelorwatcher ..... nope, the lawyers did not have to tell them that because they were getting bullied as soon as this story hit the media and it went world wide. The girls had to IMMEDIATELY shut down all their social media accounts as they were getting bullied left and right and I actually read some of the bullying posts from "followers" of Olivia Jade. OJ was on spring break and yachting in CABO and was not aware this was happening but posters took right to all her SM accounts and she was bullied. Its then the ladies said there is no way we can go out in public for awhile. If anything the lawyers would have most likely have said " close all your SM accounts and LAY LOW".
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Post by justCoz on Apr 10, 2019 15:58:29 GMT
What gets me is when they say the kids knew nothing about it... you didn’t know that having a longer, private test time isn’t the norm? And, I’m sorry, but you KNOW how you do on a test, generally, and her scores should have clued her in. It’s only slightly more believable that you don’t know you’re there for sports. I keep hearing about a woman who got THREE YEARS for lying about her address so her kids could go to a better public school. They should at least get that. I don't think that woman should get three years for that. Just because someone else got a crazy sentence doesn't mean we should compound the problem and issue more crazy sentences. I also don't know because I've only heard about that 3yr lady incidentally, was hers a state charge while these others are federal charges? That could be a difference even in sentencing guidelines.
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Post by momrek06 on Apr 10, 2019 16:47:48 GMT
What gets me is when they say the kids knew nothing about it... you didn’t know that having a longer, private test time isn’t the norm? And, I’m sorry, but you KNOW how you do on a test, generally, and her scores should have clued her in. It’s only slightly more believable that you don’t know you’re there for sports. I keep hearing about a woman who got THREE YEARS for lying about her address so her kids could go to a better public school. They should at least get that. I don't think that woman should get three years for that. Just because someone else got a crazy sentence doesn't mean we should compound the problem and issue more crazy sentences. I also don't know because I've only heard about that 3yr lady incidentally, was hers a state charge while these others are federal charges? That could be a difference even in sentencing guidelines. I thought most cities towns states all have SCHOOL CHOICE? They do here in California. Give me a break 3 years for this......I think community service should be the penalty. BUT THREE YEARS. Gutmutter .... I agree how does a SENIOR in h.s (or even Junior) not realize something is UP when you sit for your SAT's privately (they went to Singer's suggested test center) and all of a sudden your scores are outstanding? In the articles so much is mention how FH's spouse was totally involved in all the recored phone calls with Singer. How was he not implicated in this scam? Why just FH?
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Post by JoRyMom on Apr 10, 2019 17:36:21 GMT
There is no way these kids didn’t know something was up. You don’t take the SAT/ACT alone, and unless you’ve had extensive tutoring, your scores don’t jump that much.
School,choice is not a thing nationwide. Where my sons graduated in northern Virginia, the schools are busting at the seams. If they allowed school choice, yikes what a mess! Just not a possibility some places.
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Post by momrek06 on Apr 10, 2019 18:51:14 GMT
bachelorwatcher ..... nope, the lawyers did not have to tell them that because they were getting bullied as soon as this story hit the media and it went world wide. The girls had to IMMEDIATELY shut down all their social media accounts as they were getting bullied left and right and I actually read some of the bullying posts from "followers" of Olivia Jade. OJ was on spring break and yachting in CABO and was not aware this was happening but posters took right to all her SM accounts and she was bullied. Its then the ladies said there is no way we can go out in public for awhile. If anything the lawyers would have most likely have said " close all your SM accounts and LAY LOW". Jade was getting harassed ANONYMOUSLY on social media, likely by girls of average income, and much younger than her. I’m sure USC students wouldn’t have done anything to jeopardize their futures by “protesting” Jade. They use anonymous names as well.
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Post by momrek06 on Apr 10, 2019 19:44:40 GMT
They use anonymous names as well. the other students would never do anything to Jade in class... in her dorm... at the libraryStudents doing anything to Jade? What do you mean "do anything"? As far as bullying goes that goes on all over the world. Kids say things behind OJ's back, under their breathe, and then it gets back to OJ via her friends ........ why would OJ want to be in that "climate"?
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Post by betty80 on Apr 10, 2019 22:31:10 GMT
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Post by justCoz on Apr 11, 2019 1:40:54 GMT
I don't think that woman should get three years for that. Just because someone else got a crazy sentence doesn't mean we should compound the problem and issue more crazy sentences. I also don't know because I've only heard about that 3yr lady incidentally, was hers a state charge while these others are federal charges? That could be a difference even in sentencing guidelines. I thought most cities towns states all have SCHOOL CHOICE? They do here in California. Give me a break 3 years for this......I think community service should be the penalty. BUT THREE YEARS. Gutmutter .... I agree how does a SENIOR in h.s (or even Junior) not realize something is UP when you sit for your SAT's privately (they went to Singer's suggested test center) and all of a sudden your scores are outstanding? In the articles so much is mention how FH's spouse was totally involved in all the recored phone calls with Singer. How was he not implicated in this scam? Why just FH? Not everywhere has school choice. Where there isn't school choice some parents will lie and use family addresses to get their kids in the school they want, or empty house addresses. I'm fairly certain the norm is just to kick the kid out of that school. I agree about community service, it would be better for the community instead of locking up a parent that we have to pay to house and feed, never mind taking a mother from her kids. I don't see how putting that mom in jail does anyone any good. I don't know the circumstances but community service and maybe a fine seems like a better punishment. Was she a serial liar? child abuser? 3 years seems so outrageous to me.
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Post by Critical on Apr 11, 2019 2:24:30 GMT
Yeah, pardon me if I don't feel bad for the beautiful rich girls LL's daughters are not experiencing bullying. What they're experiencing is public shaming, which they richly deserve, especially Olivia. That vapid, shallow, proudly uneducated kid goes online and openly talks about how she doesn't want to study or go to college and now she's shocked that people are angry? She's probably grown up in a big hugbox where she was told that everything she did was wonderful and beautiful and she never had to do anything that she didn't want to do. There's NO way she didn't know what her parents were doing, even if she's now feigning ignorance. I've got no sympathy for any of them.
I have a cousin who's a USC grad and he got in on his own merits and busted his tail to get his degree. Shame on anyone who thinks they should get in - or get their child in - by cheating or throwing their money around.
It might have been TMZ who wrote about LL harming her own case by acting all light and happy in public and signing autographs. Any judge who sees that will be more likely to bring down the hammer. She should be laying low and not acting like she doesn't have a care in the world because a judge could interpret her behavior as not taking her situation seriously. If she's acting like she's going to get out of this, a judge might make sure she doesn't.
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Post by momrek06 on Apr 11, 2019 4:23:00 GMT
Yeah, pardon me if I don't feel bad for the beautiful rich girls LL's daughters are not experiencing bullying. What they're experiencing is public shaming, which they richly deserve, especially Olivia. That vapid, shallow, proudly uneducated kid goes online and openly talks about how she doesn't want to study or go to college and now she's shocked that people are angry? She's probably grown up in a big hugbox where she was told that everything she did was wonderful and beautiful and she never had to do anything that she didn't want to do. There's NO way she didn't know what her parents were doing, even if she's now feigning ignorance. I've got no sympathy for any of them.
I have a cousin who's a USC grad and he got in on his own merits and busted his tail to get his degree. Shame on anyone who thinks they should get in - or get their child in - by cheating or throwing their money around.
It might have been TMZ who wrote about LL harming her own case by acting all light and happy in public and signing autographs. Any judge who sees that will be more likely to bring down the hammer. She should be laying low and not acting like she doesn't have a care in the world because a judge could interpret her behavior as not taking her situation seriously. If she's acting like she's going to get out of this, a judge might make sure she doesn't.
Totally agree. USC says they will not allow the girls to drop out until USC has settled their cases .... pagesix.com/2019/04/10/lori-loughlins-daughters-not-allowed-to-withdraw-from-usc/ .... BUT again I completely understand them not going anywhere near campus. As they know they will get stared at.......insulted......public shamed.......harassed.......bullied.......or whatever one wants to call it. I agree Critical that they richly deserve it!!! Because #1) they are RICH #2) they are CELEBRITIES and the world loathes those people who have it ALL and then CHEAT the system while all the "little" people bust their arses to get into VERY VERY SELECTIVE colleges such as USC. I actually believe they just don't get the seriousness of this situation. There are paps video's out there right now of LL and the other daughter in Hollywood laughing like hyena's over something. Its like I posted upthread and Critical said in her post above .... they are HURTING their case. And why they did not take that plea deal is beyond me. pagesix.com/2019/04/09/lori-loughlin-and-husband-fighting-charges-to-avoid-prison/Just TONIGHT on Don Lemon they were discussing this case and the lawyers are discussing "white privilege" and celebrities.
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