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Post by Critical on Jun 28, 2020 23:12:55 GMT
Looks like Chrissie needs to be educated. That's WAY too close to the "she was asking for it" crap that women have been subjected to for years. How about we require men to behave less like animals and more like respectful human beings? Women shouldn't have to cover every inch of their bodies to be treated with respect or NOT be treated like a piece of meat. I've always respected Chrissie as a musician, but that's some sexist bs right there
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Post by acookertv on Jun 29, 2020 0:20:21 GMT
I think the comments from five years ago were definitely along the lines of “she was asking for it” and she took heat for that. What she said this time was I think different and merits a distinction. What she said this time is that the way you present yourself is the way people judge you. She’s not wrong there. No question, it’s a comment that needs some unpacking. But I think it’s worth exploring the nuance.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jun 29, 2020 13:10:02 GMT
I have to agree (in part) with the thought that how a woman dresses and comports herself will impact how she is treated. I know that is politically incorrect to say, but darn, to me it's just logical. Please understand, I DON'T support victim blaming, but if a woman doesn't want to be physically attacked, it just makes sense for her to dress and act more modestly. Abusers are wrong no matter how a woman is dressed or acts, but logically speaking, if one wants to be safer, it just makes sense to protect oneself as much as possible.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 29, 2020 14:40:50 GMT
I would not extend what Chrissy is saying to a woman being attacked. There's NO level of dress that justifies anyone assuaulting another person - sexually or otherwise. Heck, of a woman walks down the street buck naked, it does not warrant anyone touching her. But if a person dresses in a way to draw attention to herself/himself or to draw attention to certain body parts, he or she should not be surprised when those choices result in attention, cat calls, etc.
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Post by Kao on Jun 29, 2020 14:49:57 GMT
I have to agree (in part) with the thought that how a woman dresses and comports herself will impact how she is treated. I know that is politically incorrect to say, but darn, to me it's just logical. Please understand, I DON'T support victim blaming, but if a woman doesn't want to be physically attacked, it just makes sense for her to dress and act more modestly. Abusers are wrong no matter how a woman is dressed or acts, but logically speaking, if one wants to be safer, it just makes sense to protect oneself as much as possible.Except it doesn't work. Rapes and "Eve teasing" happen in countries where women are wearing hijab and dressed conservatively all the time. There are men out here attacking old women. Most of the time it's not even about sex; it's about power. Instead of teaching our young girls that certain types to dress means "you were asking for it" we need to teach our young men about consent and respecting women PERIOD, and that training needs to start early. Just like girls have health classes that basically talk about periods and Sex Ed young men need classes that give them points of view other than what they've probably grown up with.
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Post by Critical on Jun 29, 2020 22:30:19 GMT
So, Chrissie hasn't learned very much in five years then, has? She's just serving a slightly different flavor of the same sexist bs. Sorry. Just because people think that way doesn't make it right. I don't see much nuance there. It's just another way of saying that women bear the responsibility for the behavior of men. Same song that's been playing for hundreds of years. Sure, people judge you for how you're dressed. Doesn't make it right AND doesn't mean we should continue to accept it. TOTALLY agree Kao - rape and sexual assault are about violence, not sex. Little old ladies, small children, women in full burkas have ALL been raped. At what point do we hold MEN accountable instead of repeating that tired old sexist crap about women bringing it on themselves?
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Post by ibot2much on Jun 29, 2020 22:54:58 GMT
I think by using rape as the standard you are carrying it too far. People are judged by their appearance---it is the first thing we see and jump to (or draw) a conclusion on that. We often accept or reject people on that basis alone.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 30, 2020 1:34:55 GMT
So, Chrissie hasn't learned very much in five years then, has? She's just serving a slightly different flavor of the same sexist bs. Sorry. Just because people think that way doesn't make it right. I don't see much nuance there. It's just another way of saying that women bear the responsibility for the behavior of men. Same song that's been playing for hundreds of years. Sure, people judge you for how you're dressed. Doesn't make it right AND doesn't mean we should continue to accept it. TOTALLY agree Kao - rape and sexual assault are about violence, not sex. Little old ladies, small children, women in full burkas have ALL been raped. At what point do we hold MEN accountable instead of repeating that tired old sexist crap about women bringing it on themselves? Consider the source. She’s made it in a mans world by working to be one of the boys.
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Post by Kao on Jun 30, 2020 1:48:34 GMT
Sadly, she's not the only woman in a band from that generation to feel that way. I still remember when Jackie Fox of the Runaways revealed that she was groomed and raped by their manager and Joan Jett and Cherie Currie were basically like "Nope, never happened" even though she remembers them being in the room watching. Sometimes, women really need to look out for other women.
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Post by ibot2much on Jun 30, 2020 13:53:21 GMT
I saw that Ryan Seacreast and Shanna Taylor have broken up ....again. I recall seeing her with him when they first started the remote broadcasts of LIVE when they did a cooking segment from his home in CA.
He was seen last week in Mexico with another woman. My question is this....how the heck are these people "dating" during isolation/quarantine and how are they going off on vacation??
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Post by ibot2much on Jul 1, 2020 14:04:35 GMT
The author Dan Brown, from whom we have not heard much lately, was the subject of a lawsuit filed in a NH court by his former wife. She says that he hid piles of money and was not forthcoming in the financial statement he submitted to the courts for their divorce. Additionally, she says he carried on multiple affairs in the final years of their marriage, giving vast amounts of money and goodies to the girlfriends.
Sorry that I have so much gossip. Apparently with little news, my Boston GLOBE ( a serious paper) is filling in the spaces with salacious gossip.
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Post by Kao on Jul 1, 2020 14:17:51 GMT
The author Dan Brown, from whom we have not heard much lately, was the subject of a lawsuit filed in a NH court by his former wife. She says that he hid piles of money and was not forthcoming in the financial statement he submitted to the courts for their divorce. Additionally, she says he carried on multiple affairs in the final years of their marriage, giving vast amounts of money and goodies to the girlfriends. Sorry that I have so much gossip. Apparently with little news, my Boston GLOBE ( a serious paper) is filling in the spaces with salacious gossip. Sadly, the hiding of money/assets during a divorce is common. I hope she gets paid.
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Post by beerbelly on Jul 1, 2020 14:18:43 GMT
The author Dan Brown, from whom we have not heard much lately, was the subject of a lawsuit filed in a NH court by his former wife. She says that he hid piles of money and was not forthcoming in the financial statement he submitted to the courts for their divorce. Additionally, she says he carried on multiple affairs in the final years of their marriage, giving vast amounts of money and goodies to the girlfriends. Sorry that I have so much gossip. Apparently with little news, my Boston GLOBE ( a serious paper) is filling in the spaces with salacious gossip. I LOVE gossip! Please don't apologize!
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Post by AZChristian on Jul 1, 2020 16:24:20 GMT
The author Dan Brown, from whom we have not heard much lately, was the subject of a lawsuit filed in a NH court by his former wife. She says that he hid piles of money and was not forthcoming in the financial statement he submitted to the courts for their divorce. Additionally, she says he carried on multiple affairs in the final years of their marriage, giving vast amounts of money and goodies to the girlfriends. Sorry that I have so much gossip. Apparently with little news, my Boston GLOBE ( a serious paper) is filling in the spaces with salacious gossip. I LOVE gossip! Please don't apologize! I agree with my good friend, beerbelly. I usually don't even read the news these days . . . so I live for celebrity gossip!!!!
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Post by Amy Lee on Jul 2, 2020 21:06:25 GMT
He was seen last week in Mexico with another woman. My question is this....how the heck are these people "dating" during isolation/quarantine and how are they going off on vacation?? That's because the rules don't apply to everyone, silly.
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Post by ibot2much on Jul 2, 2020 21:43:29 GMT
I am not sure it is the rules---as there really aren't any rules about going out socially or even traveling.....but I will go with plain common sense and that seems to be totally lacking.
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Post by Kao on Jul 2, 2020 22:07:55 GMT
If you believe the tabs Kelly Clarkson's husband now wants 20 million and the kids or else he'll release her horrible secrets. I really hope this is tabloid hyperbole and not the truth because if so what a garbage man.
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Post by waywyrd on Jul 9, 2020 12:34:10 GMT
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Post by Amy Lee on Jul 9, 2020 12:44:07 GMT
I saw this in the morning. It saddens me.
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Post by stargazer161 on Jul 9, 2020 16:29:07 GMT
Not familiar with her..as an actress but I thought oh my..poor son!
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Jul 9, 2020 16:34:05 GMT
This is so sad. I'm not familiar with lakes but typically are their waters rough? The lake was 40 feet deep and her adult life vest was found on the boat. if she wasn't a strong swimmer why would she go out into the water without her life vest on? Especially since she had her young son on board. None of this makes any sense. It doesn't look good, but please let there be a miracle.
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Post by Amy Lee on Jul 9, 2020 17:05:47 GMT
Right. None of it makes sense. They keep citing that an accident happened but don't elaborate as to how they know that or what the accident was.
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Post by Arielflies on Jul 9, 2020 19:27:27 GMT
The son swam back to the boat, climbed in and waited. She had rented the boat and when the time was up, they went searching. They found the four year old on the boat but his mother was not. Searchers were on the lake again today and have declared her officially missing.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Jul 9, 2020 19:47:04 GMT
The son swam back to the boat, climbed in and waited. She had rented the boat and when the time was up, they went searching. They found the four year old on the boat but his mother was not. Searchers were on the lake again today and have declared her officially missing. I reread the article and it said that ...which makes more sense because why would a mother leave a young child of 4 years old on a boat alone while she went swimming? That's the part that made no sense. I guess the child was somehow able to swim back to the pontoon boat and get back on board. That's kind of remarkable in and of itself. I've a feeling now that some kind of accident happened. I wonder if the child knows but it too traumatized at this point in time to say? Oh, this is just so terribly sad.
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Post by Kao on Jul 9, 2020 23:38:46 GMT
This is so sad. I'm not familiar with lakes but typically are their waters rough? The lake was 40 feet deep and her adult life vest was found on the boat. if she wasn't a strong swimmer why would she go out into the water without her life vest on? Especially since she had her young son on board. None of this makes any sense. It doesn't look good, but please let there be a miracle. Not rough, but they can have horrible riptides and undertows that can take out the most skilled swimmer. Every year people drown in Lake Michigan because it's oriented in a way (North-South) that makes it particularly vulnerable to having them. Lake Erie is bad too. You have to be really careful.
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Post by Critical on Jul 9, 2020 23:55:42 GMT
I don't know that rip tides/under tows are an issue at Lake Piru. It can be pretty windy there and because the lake is quite deep (IIRC, it's over 150 ft), the water is really cold, even in the summer. I know that there are some restricted areas at Lake Piru, but some people ignore the signs and go there anyway.
I had a friend in college whose little brother died while they were all swimming in a lake. The lake had a sludgy, muddy bottom and he swam down, went to push off the bottom to come back up and his feet just sunk into the mud and stuck there. It's been many years, but I think he was maybe 7 or 8. It was terrible. It made me scared about ever swimming in a lake again.
They've switched to a recovery vs. rescue now and are assuming that Naya drowned. Her poor little boy. It's just so sad. This is now the third Glee cast member to die young.
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Post by ibot2much on Jul 10, 2020 12:14:00 GMT
GLEE has been cursed.
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Post by MissGriss on Jul 10, 2020 13:12:40 GMT
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Post by Amy Lee on Jul 13, 2020 18:52:27 GMT
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Post by Kao on Jul 13, 2020 23:20:19 GMT
Watched some of the press conference today by the search party, and apparently she got caught in a current. She had just enough strength to save her son but not enough for herself, It's really heartbreaking. They also said that the boat was not anchored properly and floated away from her.
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