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Post by JustJuls on Jul 22, 2020 8:08:04 GMT
I have given Sandy so many opportunities to back the F off....but she doesn't. She won't. Get out of the galley. Get out of everything. Do YOUR job. I'm so tired of her trying to control every LITTLE thing. This episode was cringe worthy for me watching Sandy run around watching everything. Her facial expressions while talking to the guests about Kiko's food was imo absolutely unprofessional.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 22, 2020 10:52:18 GMT
I thought it said a lot that Kiko talked about how her being in the galley staring him down made him nervous and threw him off doing his best job. She's so focused on proving she's in control that she loses control over the effective ways to manage. I also totally agree with you on the faces. She's seeking so much feedback from the guests and reacting in such dramatic ways that she reinforces and encourages their dissatisfaction. When they told her the food was average, if she was receptive but defended Kiko instead of letting them know she thought it wasn't good either than when it came time for them to asses the overall trip, they'd have a more positive perspective!
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Post by JustJuls on Jul 22, 2020 18:11:13 GMT
Exactly. She has a lot of sway and she can either help make the situation better...or worse.
I am so over her.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 22, 2020 18:33:14 GMT
I think I could handle her better if Bravo didn't present her as being this super fantastic captain extraordinaire. I mean, I want to be impressed with her for the success she's had in a male dominated field. But the way she does the job won't allow for that!
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Post by JustJuls on Jul 22, 2020 19:38:30 GMT
That's what bothers me the most. I so wanted to like Sandy. On the other hand Malia is kicking ass and taking names
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Post by acookertv on Jul 22, 2020 20:01:08 GMT
Next season on Below Deck ... Capt Malia and her Chief Stew Bugsy! Isn't Malia's boyfriend a yacht chef? They can cast him too so we can see what happens when the chef and chief stew have conflict and think the captain has favorites!
Then, just for drama, they can have an episode where Sandy is the charter guest! Heck, she can even be chartering the yacht as a gift to her old co-worker Hannah who just had a baby!
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Post by JustJuls on Jul 22, 2020 21:27:57 GMT
You should really produce some of these shows (I liked your idea in the BB thread too!)
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Post by beerbelly on Jul 23, 2020 22:30:37 GMT
Next season on Below Deck ... Capt Malia and her Chief Stew Bugsy! Isn't Malia's boyfriend a yacht chef? They can cast him too so we can see what happens when the chef and chief stew have conflict and think the captain has favorites! Then, just for drama, they can have an episode where Sandy is the charter guest! Heck, she can even be chartering the yacht as a gift to her old co-worker Hannah who just had a baby! I'm totally watching this! And I've seen Sandy as a charter guest (remember when she complained about the toast?) serving her won't be easy...
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Post by acookertv on Jul 23, 2020 22:32:38 GMT
Now we just need Bravo to hire me so I can make it happen!
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Post by beerbelly on Jul 23, 2020 22:39:48 GMT
Yes!!!!!
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Post by queta on Jul 26, 2020 1:07:23 GMT
I have to say, I am not AT ALL a fan of Pete, but on the last episode I watched he took his demotion and being chastised by both Captain Sandy and Malia pretty well. It's almost like he needed limits set on him, like a teenager. I was surprised. On other seasons some of the deckhands (I don't even remember most of their names) had such a problem with authority and freaked out if anyone was even mildly critical.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 27, 2020 19:28:38 GMT
Bravo is showing the first season of Below Deck Med today. I had completely forgotten that Capt Sandy didn't join until the second season! The first season captain was a dud ... but he always wasn't a micromanager!
Last week they did a marathon of the first season of the original Below Deck. After we were talking here about it being annoying that Sandy is presented as fantastic, it was interesting to see that the very first season, Capt Lee was presented as a bit of a hardass and kind of the bad guy of the show. It was definitely a different dynamic than we have with him now. I think it helped a lot to see how much Kate appreciates him - she softened him up over the years.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 28, 2020 2:08:59 GMT
Kiko is the truth teller of this crew. When he said Sandy wasn’t coming to the galley to help him anymore he was right. I wonder what she thought watching that ... if she is humble enough to see it’s a problem or egotistical enough to think he’s damn right. I have really liked watching the way Hannah is encouraging him and helping him shine.
and once again, Sandy convinces the guests a meal is worse than it is! And the guests even laugh about her doing it!!!
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Post by mayamaisha on Jul 28, 2020 14:44:20 GMT
Kiko is the truth teller of this crew. When he said Sandy wasn’t coming to the valley to help him anymore he was right. I wonder what she thought watching that ... if she is humble enough to see it’s a problem or egotistical enough to think he’s damn right. I have really liked watching the way Hannah is encouraging him and helping him shine. and once again, Sandy convinces the guests a meal is worse than it is! And the guests even laugh about her doing it!!! Capt Sandy sure has a lot of negative energy around her. She puts all this unnecessary pressure on folks, then expects them to perform. I don't Kiko should be fired. Did she forget about his 72 plate dinner? Malia is just cool 😎!
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Post by acookertv on Jul 28, 2020 14:56:42 GMT
I realize that Sandy doesn't get to choose the crew - maybe that's the issue. But she seems to overreact to the people being hired for certain jobs not having the skills SHE thinks they should have. Kiko gets praise from the guests for his food, but to Sandy it's not good enough because it's not the TYPE of food that SHE thinks a chef on a yacht should make. If that's an issue, she's directing her complaint to the wrong person. That problem is not Kiko's - it's the person / people who hired him. Same with Hannah. She wants a chief stew who is really into decorating and themes. That's not Hannah's strong suit. So again - don't get mad at Hannah for having the skills she has. Get mad at he person/people who hire her.
WWHL continued their theme of having crew members as guests each Monday night with Hannah and Alex. It did not surprise me that Hannah said Sandy becomes more of a micro-manager each season. It surprised me that Alex was as vocal as he was in saying it was too much. Hannah was actually rather kind and suggested that Sandy watches each season, sees things she wishes she could change, and then over corrects the next season. It made sense - Sandy could very likely be one of the many on Bravo who gets too effected by seeing herself on TV and trying to manage how she comes across. Ha! She's even micro managing herself on TV!
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Post by karna68 on Jul 28, 2020 15:19:12 GMT
Kiko is the truth teller of this crew. When he said Sandy wasn’t coming to the valley to help him anymore he was right. I wonder what she thought watching that ... if she is humble enough to see it’s a problem or egotistical enough to think he’s damn right. I have really liked watching the way Hannah is encouraging him and helping him shine. and once again, Sandy convinces the guests a meal is worse than it is! And the guests even laugh about her doing it!!! Capt Sandy sure has a lot of negative energy around her. She puts all this unnecessary pressure on folks, then expects them to perform. I don't Kiko should be fired. Did she forget about his 72 plate dinner? Malia is just cool 😎!Agreed, like Alex said, she is badass! It would be great if she became a Captain and they had her on the show!
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Post by beerbelly on Jul 28, 2020 17:09:13 GMT
I realize that Sandy doesn't get to choose the crew - maybe that's the issue. But she seems to overreact to the people being hired for certain jobs not having the skills SHE thinks they should have. Kiko gets praise from the guests for his food, but to Sandy it's not good enough because it's not the TYPE of food that SHE thinks a chef on a yacht should make. If that's an issue, she's directing her complaint to the wrong person. That problem is not Kiko's - it's the person / people who hired him. Same with Hannah. She wants a chief stew who is really into decorating and themes. That's not Hannah's strong suit. So again - don't get mad at Hannah for having the skills she has. Get mad at he person/people who hire her. WWHL continued their theme of having crew members as guests each Monday night with Hannah and Alex. It did not surprise me that Hannah said Sandy becomes more of a micro-manager each season. It surprised me that Alex was as vocal as he was in saying it was too much. Hannah was actually rather kind and suggested that Sandy watches each season, sees things she wishes she could change, and then over corrects the next season. It made sense - Sandy could very likely be one of the many on Bravo who gets too effected by seeing herself on TV and trying to manage how she comes across. Ha! She's even micro managing herself on TV! I think you are so on the money!!! It's like Hannah's table setting last season, I thought it was fine last season but Sandy wanted it her way, and what she wants. I honestly prefer a white tablecloth and not a lot of tchotckies and what not. But it's a preference. I love Bugsy, but her decor, to me, can come off tacky. I felt that Sandy over corrected from her first season. I really liked her! But I think she watched it and thought 'oh, I'm too laid back and I'm a push-over'. So I totally agree with Hannah. First off wow, those guests were so beautifully dressed, when the primary came down the dock with that dress in sun hat? What a vision! I also liked the men in light colored jackets. They seemed really fun and cool. And Malia! She is the COOLIST!!!!! I like how Pete just was a creepy sexist and just disappeared. That was the worst food I have ever seen!!!! If I were the guests I would feel disrespected. Why would I want chicken fingers and nachos? I could not watch. I'm not quite sure what 'Las Vegas' food is but I would think more of steak and lobster rather what they serve at Circus Circus. I do think Sandy really sapped Kiko's confidence and he's just spiraling down. It's sad because he had such a strong start but she just kept at him. But those nachos will haunt me.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 28, 2020 17:38:19 GMT
I felt really bad for Kiko on the Vegas night thing. I agree with you that there's really not a specific food that comes to mind for "vegas". I think people can get just about any type of food imaginable in Vegas, so anything could fit the bill from caviar and crab legs to pizza and popcorn. In Kiko's defense, what they read from the preference sheet did list a lot of foods that sounded like kid's food. They listed things like chicken tenders and nachos. I thought it was rather confusing when they first boarded because when they had the preference sheet meeting I remember thinking the foods listed were the kinds of things that come from the freezer section at Costco so how was Kiko going to shine ... but then they got on the boat and indicated the food was so important they wanted to talk to him. It sounded to me like they said one thing on the sheets but then wanted something else.
In hindsight, they probably should have let Kiko make the food he wanted to make ignoring the theme and accomplished the Vegas night theme through the decor.
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Post by queta on Jul 30, 2020 3:56:35 GMT
I can't watch Kiko go through this! He's so darned likeable and earnest. He just doesn't have the experience of dealing with all different charter guests. I love Below Deck, but I am fast-forwarding through the parts with Kiko. And when he mentioned him coming from Brazil and not having the same opportunities like we do, my heart broke. The whole season I've been wondering what his life was like growing up in Brazil. This really sucks. Poor guy has to go through this while being televised. And for Sandy to fire him on night one of a charter was just dumb. She's lucky he's not the vindictive type. I don't hate Sandy or anything, but she should know better.
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Post by moviememories on Jul 30, 2020 5:05:35 GMT
Why was a guest flying around on a jet ski if they couldn't swim? That seemed kind of odd. I guess they had a life jacket at least.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 30, 2020 10:50:03 GMT
Why was a guest flying around on a jet ski if they couldn't swim? That seemed kind of odd. I guess they had a life jacket at least. Because people on vacation don't make decisions based on "what if". They make decisions based on what they want to be true. They deluded themselves into believing nothing bad could happen because nothing bad happens on vacation!
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Post by holly on Jul 30, 2020 16:44:46 GMT
Poor Kiko! Sandy needs to stay out of the galley and leave him alone! I know from personal experience how hard it is to do your job with someone breathing down your neck, constantly feeling like they are just waiting for you to screw up. I also thought it was unfair of Sandy to say that she was concerned that he had to Google Vegas food. The guy has never been there, I don’t think it’s unreasonable. However, I think he would’ve been better off to go to the primary guest if he was unsure, since there are so many different types of Vegas food from high end to cheap buffet. Or as someone else mentioned it upthread, he could’ve just made the food that he cooks so well and just left the Vegas theme to the decorations. That probably would’ve been best. Sandy definitely plays favorites. And if you are one of her favorites then you can do no wrong. But if you’re not one of her favorites, you can do no right. Frankly, I think Kiko would be killing it if Sandy wasn’t up his butt all the dang time. No the poor guy his confidence has been shattered, so much that he’s asking the chief stew for advice on what to cook, which was a complete disaster & made the situation a thousand times worse.
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Post by acookertv on Jul 30, 2020 17:13:05 GMT
You make a great point about asking the guests what they had in mind for Vegas night. And as you said - he likely could have done that if Sandy didn't have him so nervous about every move he's making.
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Post by karna68 on Jul 30, 2020 17:22:16 GMT
Wow, Sandy was a b*tch last night! Telling him not to bring Hannah into it. Hannah should have made sure Kiko knew exactly what to make!
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Post by queta on Aug 1, 2020 2:51:26 GMT
Poor Kiko! Sandy needs to stay out of the galley and leave him alone! I know from personal experience how hard it is to do your job with someone breathing down your neck, constantly feeling like they are just waiting for you to screw up. I also thought it was unfair of Sandy to say that she was concerned that he had to Google Vegas food. The guy has never been there, I don’t think it’s unreasonable. However, I think he would’ve been better off to go to the primary guest if he was unsure, since there are so many different types of Vegas food from high end to cheap buffet. Or as someone else mentioned it upthread, he could’ve just made the food that he cooks so well and just left the Vegas theme to the decorations. That probably would’ve been best. Sandy definitely plays favorites. And if you are one of her favorites then you can do no wrong. But if you’re not one of her favorites, you can do no right. Frankly, I think Kiko would be killing it if Sandy wasn’t up his butt all the dang time. No the poor guy his confidence has been shattered, so much that he’s asking the chief stew for advice on what to cook, which was a complete disaster & made the situation a thousand times worse. You're right. When someone is very critical of me and then watches my every move, I fall apart and can't do anything right. Why be mad that he uses Google? That's just being bitchy on her part.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 1, 2020 12:09:25 GMT
I think sandy nit picks over details like that because she needs to make herself feel good by finding ways she’s superior in her job compared to everyone else on the yacht.
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Post by DoodleMom921 on Aug 2, 2020 19:41:02 GMT
Poor Kiko! I hope he doesn’t end up fired and he redeems himself the next nights.
If he leaves- I have a feeling this visit from Malia’s boyfriend will become an extended stay since he is a chef!
Which then just feels like it was a set up from the beginning if that does happen.
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Post by karna68 on Aug 3, 2020 12:19:06 GMT
Poor Kiko! I hope he doesn’t end up fired and he redeems himself the next nights. If he leaves- I have a feeling this visit from Malia’s boyfriend will become an extended stay since he is a chef! Which then just feels like it was a set up from the beginning if that does happen. I think Kiko pretty much fired himself
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Post by holly on Aug 3, 2020 13:17:48 GMT
Poor Kiko! I hope he doesn’t end up fired and he redeems himself the next nights. If he leaves- I have a feeling this visit from Malia’s boyfriend will become an extended stay since he is a chef! Which then just feels like it was a set up from the beginning if that does happen. Ugh, I bet you're right. And Sandy will ooh & aah over him like he's the second coming of Christ.
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Post by acookertv on Aug 4, 2020 1:32:44 GMT
Is sandy truly so out of touch that she thinks what she’s done is okay? If she’s going to teach her lessons on firing, I’ll teach mine. I’ve had to fire people. One of the key lessons I know, after all the liability stuff is covered, is that everything about it is done to best look out for morale after the fired person is gone. When people are in tears and despair over it, you’ve done it wrong. When the rest of the team is broken down instead of stepping up to fill the void you’ve done it wrong!
There was NO reason to talk to Kiko until the entire charter was done. None. If it had to be done, she should have talked to Hannah and Malia to manage the impact. And the. Calling Kiko our when he walked off and saying “aren’t you going to cook for ME.” No b!#%h he’s not doing anything for YOU after the way you tore the crew apart!
And shame on Malia for sucking up to sandy and throwing Hannah under the bus! She could have simply said the crew was shaken up and left it at that.
Sandy is in WWHL with Kate tonight. I hope we get honest Kate and tea spilling Andy!
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