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Post by redsoxgirl on Jul 8, 2019 19:26:37 GMT
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Post by Critical on Jul 8, 2019 19:45:47 GMT
I look at all of this with a very skeptical eye. I've read too many little gossip items about witness intimidation in this case to NOT think Kevin Spacey and his team are behind all of this. He's also one of the famous names that could (should) be named in the Epstein case.
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Post by Gutmutter on Jul 8, 2019 19:49:10 GMT
I updated my second post not realizing others had posted. I just read redsoxgirl’s link and then TMZ came on and reported that the case will most likely be thrown out. I guess when you plead the 5th that means none of his testimony can be heard which kind of sinks the case.
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Post by FannyMare on Jul 8, 2019 21:50:28 GMT
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jul 8, 2019 23:20:36 GMT
I'm thinking perjury. For starters. You plead the fifth to protect yourself from being implicated in a crime, right? I'm a survivor. There is no doubt Spacey is a predator. But, that doesn't mean everyone who comes forward is telling the truth. I feel the accusers mother, who was a newscaster, had the clout necessary to make this case go forward., not on facts or merit, but because of her name. Few accusers lie, but some do. From the start, this incident sounded fishy.
"Pleading the fifth" is the phrase commonly used in the US legal system that describes a person’s right to not share self-incriminating information in a trial.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jul 8, 2019 23:33:49 GMT
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Post by ibot2much on Jul 9, 2019 15:07:04 GMT
Wow. I was out all day yesterday, otherwise I would have caught the TV "breaking news" on Martha's Vineyard.
Just seeing parts of the testimony shown on the afternoon news amazed me. It looked like neither the mother nor the father had been told how to act in a courtroom...surprising for educated, well-to-do people.
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Post by Gutmutter on Jul 9, 2019 16:00:40 GMT
As annoying as it was to have all my daytime tv preempted, I’m glad I watched the whole event. The news clips only gave a glimpse of how offensively argumentative the father was. He got a LOT more warnings from the judge than he should have been allowed. The mom was clueless that deleting things before handing it in was a problem. The boy pretty much admitted he deleted the key missing texts before his lawyer took him aside and he claimed the 5th. Two officers testified they had handed back the phone, but the family doesn’t remember and can’t find it. I’m pretty sure the whole thing is going to be thrown out.
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Post by ibot2much on Jul 9, 2019 16:15:07 GMT
I did not know, Gutmutter that you lived in Massachusetts. I live in the SE county---near the Cape.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jul 9, 2019 18:58:58 GMT
I thought the parents and son acted EXACYLY like a well to do family; entitled, above he law, dismissive and petulant. One collective tantrum thrown because they couldn't control 'the servants'(i.e. the justice system.) 'How dare you question us!'
These are the people who make it harder for real victims to come forward with the truth.
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Post by Gutmutter on Jul 9, 2019 19:59:22 GMT
I feel exactly the same way, redsoxgirl. Ibot2much... I’m mid-state on Rt. 2.
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Post by Critical on Jul 12, 2019 5:14:57 GMT
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Post by betty80 on Jul 12, 2019 12:51:56 GMT
Unfortunately, there are still people supporting him and feeling sorry for him. Not me.
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Post by Gutmutter on Jul 18, 2019 0:06:52 GMT
As predicted, with no phone and no testimony, the charges against Kevin Spacey have been dropped.
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Post by Critical on Jul 18, 2019 0:30:57 GMT
I don't think most people expected any of these scumbags to face serious legal consequences. That being said, I certainly hope some careers have been ruined and that Spacey never works again. Same for Weinstein and many others.
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Post by momrek06 on Jul 18, 2019 2:06:41 GMT
As predicted, with no phone and no testimony, the charges against Kevin Spacey have been dropped. Kevin Spacey off the hook in sexual assault case after criminal charges are dropped in Nantucket groping trial because the alleged teenage victim refused to testifywww.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7258373/Kevin-Spacey-hook-sexual-assault-case-accuser-refuses-testify.htmlFrom the article. The charges can be refiled. I do not even know what that means. District Attorney Michael O'Keefe filed a nolle prosequi on Wednesday, meaning that the charges could be refiled at some point
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Post by Gutmutter on Jul 18, 2019 11:21:42 GMT
I think that article got it wrong. The mother admitted to deleting embarrassing data unrelated to the incident but denied deleting any part of the text conversations from that night (and I believe her). The young man pleaded the fifth when questioning started to focus on whether he deleted those texts (which is a federal offense). They said in the news that he would be willing to give evidence in exchange for immunity. I think it’s pretty easy to connect the dots here. I’m still not pro-Spacey, but this family dug it’s own grave.
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Post by ibot2much on Jul 18, 2019 12:54:35 GMT
From the beginning, I thought it odd that it was the mother who announced the Spacey "issue", at a press conference that she called. We did not hear from the son for quite some time, but mom was talking all the time about it.
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Post by momrek06 on Jul 18, 2019 14:56:03 GMT
This SPACEY case is so bizarre. I was just home with my family in NEW ENGLAND...July 1-15 and they all talked about SPACEY, the PREDATOR and LOSER. Which I agree. All of MASS was rooting for young WILL to have his day in Court ........ and then ........ what happened to WILL ...... he backed out? And for what ever reasons he backed out (we will probably never know) ...... I JUST HATE HATE HATE that SPACEY gets to freaking walk away.
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Post by Critical on Jul 18, 2019 17:01:18 GMT
I've read a few blind items stating that there was a confidential settlement of a civil case in the Spacey situation and that's one of the reasons the criminal case was dropped. The plaintiffs wouldn't cooperate in the criminal trial (probably included the text deleting), so there was no way to move forward. Basically, Spacey paid them off to avoid being convicted and they took it. I don't know that I can blame them. Spacey would find ways to harass them and make their lives miserable for years.
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Post by Gutmutter on Jul 18, 2019 17:30:52 GMT
The mother swore under oath there was no settlement. The reason given for dropping it was the emotional strain the process was putting on their family. But it could easily have been that the writing was already on the wall with the missing phone and the deleted texts.
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Post by Critical on Jul 18, 2019 17:37:30 GMT
The items I read also said that NO ONE would ever acknowledge the settlement. That was probably one of the conditions. Looks better for Spacey's image (such as it is) if he didn't give money to anyone to keep them from testifying against him. I might lie under oath too if the options were a) testify against the rich movie star and then be harassed for the rest of my life OR b) get a big money pay out and stay quiet about it.
I've just read too much and seen to much to believe all of the public statements. It's just PR nonsense.
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Post by Critical on Aug 4, 2019 22:51:07 GMT
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Post by Arielflies on Aug 5, 2019 2:00:58 GMT
I know. She definitely held the show and characters together more than Nathan. S&&t.
Wait, haven't I been reading that The Rookie has been cancelled?
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Post by Cuddles on Aug 5, 2019 10:48:42 GMT
Reading her timeline of what occurred, there is no doubt in my mind that she is being straightforward and truthful. I originally followed this program because of my past history with Nathan but now I'm attached to all of the characters. This is a darn shame. Looking for clues to which recurring guest she referenced.
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Post by Critical on Aug 6, 2019 22:43:59 GMT
That Demetrius Grosse is the actor who sexually harassed her is particularly disappointing. I loved him on Banshee, where he played a really good and moral character. A good lesson in separating the performer from the role, I guess.
I'll be curious to see if there's any response from Nathan Fillion. I was a fan of his from back in his OLTL days and of course, Firefly, but he's apparently not got a good record with respect to relationships (and I don't necessarily mean romantically) with female costars. There was a blind item going around last fall about him already having problems with a female costar (like wanting her gone)...and that was after lots or rumors of friction between him and Stana Katic during the run of Castle. It bums me out but, yep, another lesson in separating the person from their public persona
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Post by kiz on Aug 10, 2019 13:15:56 GMT
Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in his cell from an apparent suicide from hanging this morning.
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Post by Gutmutter on Aug 10, 2019 13:26:59 GMT
Hmmmm... that wouldn’t load for me. I thought he was on suicide watch.
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Post by kiz on Aug 10, 2019 13:29:16 GMT
Hmmmm... that wouldn’t load for me. I thought he was on suicide watch. It won't load for me either now, so I'll go back and delete it if I can. It was one of many articles reporting his death, and you're right, he was on suicide watch.
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Post by Gutmutter on Aug 10, 2019 13:32:08 GMT
A lot of deep pockets and high profiles with loads to lose. The rumors are already flying.
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