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Post by acookertv on Sept 10, 2018 13:29:50 GMT
Amidst all of the to-do about Les Moonves, I keep thinking about Julie Chen (whom I respect and like very much). I just can't imagine what she's been thinking and feeling ever since these stories broke. Of course, like most wives, she publicly supported her husband in the very beginning. But what is she feeling and thinking now, especially now, with 6 additional women coming forward. It's almost impossible to think that even for someone who knows him and loves him as much as she does, that she could believe that he could be innocent of all these charges. I wonder if she'll stay with him. . . I think that this story is a bit different than others when it comes to a question of whether or not the wife will stay with him. To the best of my knowledge, none of the accusations against Moonves have been recent. So I think that Julie Chen can justify it saying "this is how he was before we were married, now he's different". Perhaps more pertinent, Julie Chen has to admit that she KNOWS Les Moonves made passes at women he worked with, and offered better assignments for those who returned the affection - it happened with them! I think there is a certain degree of pressure on her now to maintain her jobs and do well because otherwise people will write her off saying she only got where she is because of her husband. |
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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 10, 2018 16:00:09 GMT
I wonder if she'll stay on The Talk. Sent from my SAMSUNG-S7 using Tapatalk Hmmmmm, if she'll stay on "The Talk"? -- I didn't even think about that. Or "Big Brother" for that matter. My guess is that she whether or not she stays on both or either of the shows, will depend on how much her marriage (and her son, and her family) will factor into her decision. Legally she probably could stay on both shows, but if you factor in the emotional aspect, and loyalty to her husband (IF she still has loyalty to him) -- that may cause her to leave the shows. It will be interesting to see what she does. I really feel bad for her. |
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Post by MissGriss on Sept 10, 2018 16:34:39 GMT
If she wants to speak out against his behavior, she is more free to do so now that he's not her boss. She was in a pretty strange situation while she was both married to him AND working for him.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 10, 2018 17:09:11 GMT
I'd miss her on Big brother, but they could always call up Wil with one L.
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Post by lonnie on Sept 10, 2018 18:01:52 GMT
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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 10, 2018 18:07:46 GMT
Someone should tell Bella Thorne that she doesn't have to bail on the #MeToo movement because of anything Asia Argento claims.  The #MeToo movement has now become a movement for ALL PEOPLE who have been sexually harassed. Asia Argento DOESN'T OWN the #MeToo movement. That's such infantile thinking!!!  |
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Post by acookertv on Sept 10, 2018 19:11:06 GMT
I just saw on Us Weekly that Julie Chen was not on the season premiere of The Talk today, and it's been reported she's taking some time away in the aftermath of Les departing CBS.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 10, 2018 19:13:01 GMT
I just saw on Us Weekly that Julie Chen was not on the season premiere of The Talk today, and it's been reported she's taking some time away in the aftermath of Les departing CBS. I dont blame her..what a mess! |
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Post by Critical on Sept 11, 2018 13:26:35 GMT
As much as some people may like Julie Chen, she's not innocent here. Remember that she and Moonves carried on an affair while he was still married - they got married two weeks after his divorce was final. As with Camille Cosby, I refuse to believe she didn't know about her husband's bad behavior. She's a smart lady (with terrible taste in men) who's also very ambitious. It served her purposes to stay silent. Plus, what was she going to do? Out her husband? So far, accusers have come forward about events from the 80's through the early 2000's. IMO, that kind of behavior doesn't just stop. Plus, that behavior doesn't count less based on how long ago it was. My suspicion is that more women will come forward with more recent incidents now that he's facing real consequences.
Kudos to CBS for making that $20M donation to #MeToo a part of the settlement with Moonves.
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Post by acookertv on Sept 11, 2018 13:48:33 GMT
Not only did Les and Julie get married right after his divorce was final, but they got together through work! It seems evident he did the things with her that he's accused of doing with other women, only she liked the attention and accepted his advances. For years people have suggested that she got both Big Brother and The Talk because of their relationship. It's really hard to look at the case against him, and his relationship with her and think she's not proof to validate at least some of the claims!
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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 11, 2018 17:55:02 GMT
Not only did Les and Julie get married right after his divorce was final, but they got together through work! It seems evident he did the things with her that he's accused of doing with other women, only she liked the attention and accepted his advances. For years people have suggested that she got both Big Brother and The Talk because of their relationship. It's really hard to look at the case against him, and his relationship with her and think she's not proof to validate at least some of the claims! I agree with the points you're making, acookertv, and although I don't personally know anything about Les and Julie's romantic relationship, I have no reason to doubt what you're say about that. BUT I wouldn't want people to OVERGENERALIZE and think that it's not okay to have a romantic relationship in the workplace. It IS ok, so long as it's MUTUAL and CONSENSUAL there's nothing wrong with it. And that goes for Les and Julie too. So long as she (as you said) "liked the attention and accepted his advances" it was not sexual harassment. And by the way, we don't 'know' that he made the "advances" to her -- it might very well have been completely mutual from the beginning. |
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Post by acookertv on Sept 11, 2018 18:33:20 GMT
Not only did Les and Julie get married right after his divorce was final, but they got together through work! It seems evident he did the things with her that he's accused of doing with other women, only she liked the attention and accepted his advances. For years people have suggested that she got both Big Brother and The Talk because of their relationship. It's really hard to look at the case against him, and his relationship with her and think she's not proof to validate at least some of the claims! I agree with the points you're making, acookertv, and although I don't personally know anything about Les and Julie's romantic relationship, I have no reason to doubt what you're say about that. BUT I wouldn't want people to OVERGENERALIZE and think that it's not okay to have a romantic relationship in the workplace. It IS ok, so long as it's MUTUAL and CONSENSUAL there's nothing wrong with it. And that goes for Les and Julie too. So long as she (as you said) "liked the attention and accepted his advances" it was not sexual harassment. And by the way, we don't 'know' that he made the "advances" to her -- it might very well have been completely mutual from the beginning. All true. My point in bringing up the way they met was to say that it lays out strong ground work to say that he considered meeting people via work to be a prime way to meet women. |
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 11, 2018 18:34:40 GMT
I still like Julie..I can't help how I feel.
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Post by Critical on Sept 11, 2018 18:36:44 GMT
I like Julie's public persona. I have a feeling the real person is quite different from the one we see on TV and I don't know that person.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 11, 2018 18:39:01 GMT
I like Julie's public persona. I have a feeling the real person is quite different from the one we see on TV and I don't know that person. Do we see anyones real persona on TV though? I'm sure she is different in RL.. |
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Post by Critical on Sept 11, 2018 18:50:17 GMT
Really, we probably don't see many. AND, we likely don't know the difference if the person is a good actor. There are some people in the business who, according to gossip, have a public persona that is SUPER different from the actual person - like night and day. Nice person when cameras are around and a nightmare when they're not. I've stopped caring in most cases. I'll likely never meet most of these people, so why should I care? There are a few people though who, if I found out they were a jerk IRL, I'd be really disappointed. Others, not so much.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 11, 2018 18:54:03 GMT
Really, we probably don't see many. AND, we likely don't know the difference if the person is a good actor. There are some people in the business who, according to gossip, have a public persona that is SUPER different from the actual person - like night and day. Nice person when cameras are around and a nightmare when they're not. I've stopped caring in most cases. I'll likely never meet most of these people, so why should I care? There are a few people though who, if I found out they were a jerk IRL, I'd be really disappointed. Others, not so much. I guess what we think, doesn't matter to them anyway..they will do what they want.  |
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Post by Critical on Sept 11, 2018 18:58:15 GMT
If it makes money, they'll do what they need to do. I've read so many stories from fans of various celebs who met the person and they were a total jerk. Of course, the majority of fans never hear those stories and they never meet the person, so what's the loss of a few fans in the scheme of things?
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 12, 2018 18:37:25 GMT
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Post by Critical on Sept 12, 2018 22:38:50 GMT
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Post by Arielflies on Sept 12, 2018 22:58:03 GMT
WOW! Could this crud get any cruddier? Now I feel guilty for enjoying the NCIS franchise shows. phooey!
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Post by MissScarlet on Sept 12, 2018 23:36:59 GMT
I'm glad I bothered to read that entire link. I've been having mixed feelings about Moonves, giving him the benefit of the doubt. Thinking that just maybe, in the past, he was just guilty of being a product of his times & a typical man, sometimes making a few sexist comments. This article shows the side of him we never heard about, the cruel, power hungry sexual predator, who seemed to take a perverse pleasure out of bullying, demeaning & destroying women. Now I'm glad that not only is he gone from his position of power, but he's been outed for who he really is, hopefully disgraced & having his very large exit payout confiscated. It's bothering me the extent of all of this, especially in Hollywood. It seems that even the seemingly best of men could be predators. I find all of this depressing, unsettling, and very upsetting. |
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 12, 2018 23:45:27 GMT
OMG what a sick piece of crap. And for the record DW was absolutely an outstanding hysterical show. Because LM hated it was the reason he pulled it? I think I watched just about every episode and ROARED out loud. He is a CREEP and a piece of CRUD. The thing with all this.....LM (I heard) is suppose to get 184 MIL when ousted. BUT I am also hearing/reading CBS said NO to that money.  |
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 13, 2018 0:26:42 GMT
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 13, 2018 0:29:26 GMT
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Post by lonnie on Sept 13, 2018 0:46:32 GMT
He sounds like a piece of garbage. It is really discouraging that the best of men and women can be predators.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 13, 2018 10:28:50 GMT
GREAT article. Thanks for posting it, Critical. And thanks too to MissScarlet for saying that she was glad she read the whole article, because without her post saying that, I might've just skimmed the gist of the article - I probably would not have read all of it. And I am sooooo glad I did, because I remember Linda Bloodworth Thomason well, and I admired her very much, and I LOVED her shows. And I definitely believe what she has written. And now, all I can say is that any vestige of doubt or sympathy that I had for Les Moonves is GONE. Horrific man. Disgusting. I had no idea!!! |
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Post by MissGriss on Sept 13, 2018 18:44:18 GMT
GREAT article. Thanks for posting it, Critical. And thanks too to MissScarlet for saying that she was glad she read the whole article, because without her post saying that, I might've just skimmed the gist of the article - I probably would not have read all of it. And I am sooooo glad I did, because I remember Linda Bloodworth Thomason well, and I admired her very much, and I LOVED her shows. And I definitely believe what she has written. And now, all I can say is that any vestige of doubt or sympathy that I had for Les Moonves is GONE. Horrific man. Disgusting. I had no idea!!! If y'all didn't catch the article a week or so ago about his treatment of Janet Jackson after the Super Bowl thing with Justin Timberlake, it's worth finding. He blackballed her so thoroughly that years later when her autobiography was being released by a publisher that was owned by the same parent company as CBS, he tried to stop the book from coming out. He is a vicious, vindictive SOB! |
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Post by Critical on Sept 13, 2018 18:59:11 GMT
^^^^ Oh yeah, Kathy Griffin totally called Julie Chen out about her role in the Janet Jackson thing recently, complete with links to video of her talking about the situation on The Talk. She didn't have the power her husband had, but she clearly supported him in his campaign against Janet.
I'm glad Candice Bergen has woken up. It's one thing to not see it when it is happening, but once you know it's happened, denying it is shameful. Just because you don't SEE the behavior, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just because it's not YOUR experience, doesn't mean it wasn't someone else's experience.
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Post by MissGriss on Sept 13, 2018 21:02:54 GMT
Is Oprah defending Weinstein? I somehow missed that.
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The #MeToo movement has now become a movement for ALL PEOPLE who have been sexually harassed. Asia Argento DOESN'T OWN the #MeToo movement. 
