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Post by Imperfect1 on Jun 6, 2018 20:06:35 GMT
I think they should consider calling it. DeWitched. Ha! I love it. I have no problem with a Roseanne-less show, I enjoyed the other characters more anyway. But as stated in the article, I hope they can do it so she doesn't profit... Totally agree! Mostly, I'd love to see the Roseanne show, MINUS Roseanne, of course. If that's not doable, then a spinoff based on any of the other characters would work for me. And I'd even settle for a totally separate show, with the Roseanne-less cast. And yes, the spiteful part of me hopes that Roseanne Barr won't financially benefit from any of these possible incarnations of the original show that SHE (and a partner) CREATED --- meaning that she benefits from the continuation of any of the original 'characters' --- but I could live with that. I think that her reputation and horrendous comments have suffered quite a bit, so hopefully her lesson will have been learned, in any event!
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Post by Punkin on Jun 7, 2018 14:21:41 GMT
"so hopefully her lesson will have been learned, in any event!"
Maybe not so much. Her 'fans' are encouraging her racist tendencies and this morning she re-tweeted the Valarie Jarret tweet that got her into so much trouble in the first place. When racism is in her heart and others, similarly inclined, encourage her, she appears to be right back at it. You don't just 'unlearn' hatred because you get into trouble over it. You need a change of heart. She's been this way for a long time and the current climate in this country, starting at the top, has emboldened racists to be more open about it.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jun 7, 2018 15:06:03 GMT
"so hopefully her lesson will have been learned, in any event!" Maybe not so much. Her 'fans' are encouraging her racist tendencies and this morning she re-tweeted the Valarie Jarret tweet that got her into so much trouble in the first place. When racism is in her heart and others, similarly inclined, encourage her, she appears to be right back at it. You don't just 'unlearn' hatred because you get into trouble over it. You need a change of heart. She's been this way for a long time and the current climate in this country, starting at the top, has emboldened racists to be more open about it.So sad, but what you say is true. Your words are words to remember: "You don't just 'unlearn' hatred because you get into trouble over it. You need a change of heart."
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Post by phartblossom on Jun 7, 2018 22:53:16 GMT
I have empathy for her even though I don't agree with what she wrote. I wonder how much public pillaging a person can take before they go to a dark place of no return. There's clearly a Roseanne that those who actually know her love and care about. Because it's been expressed by them. This is just my opinion.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 8, 2018 9:55:48 GMT
I have empathy for her even though I don't agree with what she wrote. I wonder how much public pillaging a person can take before they go to a dark place of no return. There's clearly a Roseanne that those who actually know her love and care about. Because it's been expressed by them. This is just my opinion. Well said, and I agree. At some point, I think the piling on transfers over from being a person speaking up to say "this is not okay" to people wanting to feel good about themselves by making sure it's known there are much worse people out there. Jimmy Kimmel tweeted about this subject and my respect for him when up when I saw it. www.thewrap.com/jimmy-kimmel-roseanne-barr-tweet-compassion/I remember right after the news came out that Mariah Carey had been dealing with bi-polar disorder for years reflecting on all the things that were said about her and the ways she was mocked, and feeling pretty bad about it.
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Post by phartblossom on Jun 8, 2018 12:34:32 GMT
mercy....compassion.....grace....forgiveness...gentleness....kindness
just throwing a few words out there, if you have ever been treated with any of these words by others, then pay it forward
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Post by razorbacker on Jun 8, 2018 12:50:58 GMT
mercy....compassion.....grace....forgiveness...gentleness....kindness just throwing a few words out there, if you have ever been treated with any of these words by others, then pay it forward Those all seem to be words missing from her vocabulary.
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Post by phartblossom on Jun 8, 2018 12:58:30 GMT
mercy....compassion.....grace....forgiveness...gentleness....kindness just throwing a few words out there, if you have ever been treated with any of these words by others, then pay it forward Those all seem to be words missing from her vocabulary. That was not at all what I mean. When we use compassion, forgiveness and mercy we do not do it to only those who have done it to us. If anyone has ever shown you mercy...then pay it forward, don't check to see if the person YOU are showing compassion to has shown it to others. That sort of diminishes the entire meaning of it.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 8, 2018 13:00:40 GMT
mercy....compassion.....grace....forgiveness...gentleness....kindness just throwing a few words out there, if you have ever been treated with any of these words by others, then pay it forward Those all seem to be words missing from her vocabulary. Very true. So what would be the best way for her to learn it? By being lambasted relentlessly by a bunch of TV viewers coming up with new and creative ways to point out how vial her words are? Or by seeing someone like Jimmy Kimmel take a different approach, appreciating it, and slowly in time recognizing she can have that same positive effect on others like Jimmy did for her? I may be wrong, but I think that with the first option, she'd merely feel justified in not offering people mercy, compasison, grace, forgiveness, gentleness and kindness saying "see, everyone acts like me". It's important for me to say, I do NOT think that most of the things said about Roseanne in piling on have been equal to calling a black woman an ape. But it would not surprise me if Roseanne sees them as the same. So she's not going to change if she can convince herself that everyone talks and behave like her and she doesn't need to change.
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 14, 2018 21:42:02 GMT
Roseanne Barr on career-damaging racist tweet: "It was about anti-semitism'www.usatoday.com/story/life/2018/06/14/roseanne-barr-claims-new-meaning-her-racist-tweet-anti-semitism/702203002/A tweet today from RB. "Rod Serling wrote Planet of The Apes. It was about anti-semitism. That is what my tweet referred to-the anti semitism of the Iran deal. Low IQ ppl can think whatever they want".The above tweet is a complete LIE. She referred to VJ period. Nothing about RS or her tweets being anti-semitism has come out of her mouth since her HORRID tweet of May 29th. So now on June 14th she decides to tweet this above pile of crap???
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Post by MFWalkoff on Jun 14, 2018 23:50:58 GMT
How many weeks has it been since the original tweet? If that was really her intent, she would have tweeted this the very same day -- and she might still have a TV show now.
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Post by waywyrd on Jun 15, 2018 0:09:33 GMT
It took her this long to come up with that BS "reason"? Okay.
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 15, 2018 2:16:01 GMT
I have empathy for her even though I don't agree with what she wrote. I wonder how much public pillaging a person can take before they go to a dark place of no return. There's clearly a Roseanne that those who actually know her love and care about. Because it's been expressed by them. This is just my opinion. I've been wondering the same thing redsoxgirl. I absolutely abhor the positions she's taken, but it's no secret that she's had problems with mental illness her entire life, and I have to think that figures in, not into her racism but into her erratic behavior around apologizing then taking it back, etc.
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Post by phartblossom on Jun 15, 2018 10:06:18 GMT
Hating people with mental illness who make remarks you do not like makes you....what? A wonderful kind and loving human being?
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Post by MFWalkoff on Jun 15, 2018 11:10:19 GMT
Nobody here has used the word hate about Roseanne, in fact several people have expressed empathy for her background and condition while holding perfectly valid opinions about the things she said and how she chose to handle the backlash.
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Post by phartblossom on Jun 15, 2018 11:29:49 GMT
Sorry I used the word hate, I should have used this . Yes, I know some have expressed empathy, I was one of them. Everyone has their very own valid points.....everyone, whether they are famous or not. Peace.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Jun 18, 2018 20:33:08 GMT
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jun 18, 2018 22:11:45 GMT
It's interesting that (according to that article) in order for the new 'Darlene' spin-off to proceed, Roseanne would have to relinquish all financial interest in the spin-off --- except she may be allowed to receive a one-time payoff. I would imagine it would have to be a pretty sizable one-time payoff for Roseanne to agree, but it will be interesting to see what happens. I hope the deal goes through, cause a Roseanne show WITHOUT Roseanne would be a fabulous, fun show to watch. Good luck to them!
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Post by MissGriss on Jun 18, 2018 22:13:59 GMT
I read in a different article that Roseanne would not benefit financially from the new show (other than that one-time payout) but that Writers Guild of America is insisting that she still get screenwriting credit, since the show is based on characters that she helped create. That makes sense to me.
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Post by burntbrat on Jun 19, 2018 1:00:20 GMT
I think they can pull off a Darlene spin-off, but it'll have to be phenomenally hilarious for people to give it more than a glance.
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Post by phartblossom on Jun 20, 2018 12:28:44 GMT
I think Sara Gilbert lost any acting ability she may have had. Her acting was the absolute worst on the reboot. IMO...this spin off will be liberal agenda pushed down unsuspecting people's throats and nothing more.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Jun 20, 2018 13:34:13 GMT
I think Sara Gilbert lost any acting ability she may have had. Her acting was the absolute worst on the reboot. IMO...this spin off will be liberal agenda pushed down unsuspecting people's throats and nothing more. I don't see why the show has to be political at all. That was a Roseanne Barr thing, and she won't be there controlling anything anymore. Sara was one of the best actors on the show, along with John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf. I'm interested to see how they're going to feature her character on the show ... probably a lot more about dealing with the kids and hopefully either going back to school or getting a better job. If the show does well next season and stays on the air, I wonder if Johnny Galecki might be making more appearances after that because -- I might be wrong -- Big Bang is going into its last season this fall.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 20, 2018 13:40:51 GMT
I kind of feel like the reboot was focused on Darlene anyway, so there won't be a great deal of change in this rise from the ashes approach. It seemed like a main focus of the show was to show just how much Darlene had grown into her parents - dealing with similar issues with her kids, having to make decisions that she'd hated the way her parents made them when she was growing up. There's so much interaction with all the characters that I don't think that Roseanne was truly the center of the reboot. So they will have one less character to interact with ... depending on how they explain Roseanne not being around anymore, it could actually enhance stories rather than feeling the void.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Jun 20, 2018 15:39:52 GMT
The reboot had the potential to be focused on Darlene, but it only was insofar as she brought two new interesting characters to the family with the conflicts that caused. Certainly she is the one character they can feature more than the others, although I hope they'll enhance Laurie's role, as well. Actually, I wish they would let Darlene come out as a lesbian.
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Post by mina on Jun 20, 2018 17:59:26 GMT
solely Darlene and her life =yawn for me, but focusing on Becky and DJ and Jackie and Dan after Roseanne AND bringing back all the old cast members ; I'd watch that. I don't see it lasting very long though.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Jun 20, 2018 18:44:13 GMT
The story they come up with for her absence will make all the difference. I don't see how it can be anything less than she died; otherwise, at least some of the characters would be holding on to the possibility she might come back (such as a divorce, with her running off to Hawaii to grow macadamia nuts - lol). Then there would have to be a period of mourning, sadness, etc. It's a tricky proposition for a comedy.
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Post by lonnie on Jun 20, 2018 21:29:35 GMT
Will darlene have moved to her own place once this spinoff starts? That would make it a little less difficult to explain roseanne's absence if they mention her sometimes. I don't think they should kill off the character. If she gives a better apology and shows she has changed, maybe they could have her do guest appearances eventually. If senators(Chappelle-Nadal) from missouri can keep their jobs after making racist comments and also saying she wished the president was killed, others should be given a chance as well.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Jun 21, 2018 3:34:24 GMT
Will darlene have moved to her own place once this spinoff starts? That would make it a little less difficult to explain roseanne's absence if they mention her sometimes. I don't think they should kill off the character. If she gives a better apology and shows she has changed, maybe they could have her do guest appearances eventually. If senators(Chappelle-Nadal) from missouri can keep their jobs after making racist comments and also saying she wished the president was killed, others should be given a chance as well. She's OUT in terms of the reboot. They're trying to get rid of her without paying her any money, so they don't want her back. No guest appearances. She burned all bridges by tanking the show and throwing other actors under the bus. They would hardly want to work with her again. Ditto the crew.
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Post by annifran on Jun 21, 2018 16:42:51 GMT
I hope the show will continue on, perhaps just called The Connors. They don't need to focus on Darlene. There are enough characters on the show that could easily provide plenty of story lines. If it does continue, I'd like to see Johnny Galecki play a role--always have liked him.
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Post by tinderbox on Jun 21, 2018 17:22:14 GMT
I think Sara Gilbert lost any acting ability she may have had. Her acting was the absolute worst on the reboot. IMO...this spin off will be liberal agenda pushed down unsuspecting people's throats and nothing more. I disagree about the liberal agenda. I watched the reboot and both sides were represented. That said, I don't think they need to address politics at all.
I do agree about Sara Gilbert's acting in the reboot. I think she has lost a bit of Darlene's edge over the years. I used to love watching her face and listening to her tone when she'd deliver some of the funniest punch lines written for the show. Part of Sara's current watered down version of snarky Darlene could be because both the actress and the character are ten years older and see the world through different eyes. That said, Darlene (Sara) needs to find her footing again and bring us glimpses of her former unique adolescent personality in order to carry a show named after her.
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