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Post by Cuddles on May 31, 2018 22:26:16 GMT
I don't want to get political but if DT can call Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas and get away with it with no repercussions then why wouldn't Roseanne think she could tweet what she did and still continue in her role as Roseanne Conner? There's really nothing complicated about this, unfortunately. In this case, at least, a message was sent. Through baby steps, maybe we will get back to where we once were. One can hope, right?
I don't watch The Talk but would love to hear from anyone here if Sara addressed this on that show.
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Post by MissScarlet on May 31, 2018 23:14:55 GMT
Michell Obama is to blame??????????????????????? Oh for cryin' out loud! Let it rest. You did it, Roseanne. You said it, Roseanne. The blame laying has got to stop. Own it, Roseanne! And shut up!
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Post by Imperfect1 on May 31, 2018 23:26:07 GMT
As someone on the news just said, "Funny's funny until it's offensive." That goes for anyone. Even if that were true, I don't think Roseanne meant her comment to be funny. She was just making a nasty comment to demean someone. The only reason humor comes into the discussion is that Roseanne used humor as one of her many excuses, when her comment was not received as well as she assumed it would be. Actually, I don't even think the fact that Roseanne is a comedienne by profession should even be a part of the discussion, again, because this comment was not a joke.
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 1, 2018 1:59:15 GMT
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Post by mamac on Jun 1, 2018 7:20:48 GMT
I don't want to get political but if DT can call Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas and get away with it with no repercussions then why wouldn't Roseanne think she could tweet what she did and still continue in her role as Roseanne Conner? There's really nothing complicated about this, unfortunately. In this case, at least, a message was sent. Through baby steps, maybe we will get back to where we once were. One can hope, right? I don't watch T he Talk but would love to hear from anyone here if Sara addressed this on that show. No one on The Talk said a word about it on Wednesday, although when the ladies were walking out, Sarah Gilbert looked sort of uncomfortable. I think the show is taped in the morning out in Callifornia, so the news had definitely already come out. On Thursday's show both she and Julie were MIA and Carnie Wilson and Carrie Ann Inaba were sitting in for them. Again, not one word was mentioned about Roseanne. I found it odd that nothing was said because on both days it was one of the top stories on The View.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jun 1, 2018 11:04:03 GMT
Don't ya just want to for poor little victim Roseanne??? Ummmm, NO!!!!
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Jun 1, 2018 13:15:20 GMT
I don't want to get political but if DT can call Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas and get away with it with no repercussions then why wouldn't Roseanne think she could tweet what she did and still continue in her role as Roseanne Conner? There's really nothing complicated about this, unfortunately. In this case, at least, a message was sent. Through baby steps, maybe we will get back to where we once were. One can hope, right? I don't watch T he Talk but would love to hear from anyone here if Sara addressed this on that show. No one on The Talk said a word about it on Wednesday, although when the ladies were walking out, Sarah Gilbert looked sort of uncomfortable. I think the show is taped in the morning out in Callifornia, so the news had definitely already come out. On Thursday's show both she and Julie were MIA and Carnie Wilson and Carrie Ann Inaba were sitting in for them. Again, not one word was mentioned about Roseanne. I found it odd that nothing was said because on both days it was one of the top stories on The View. I'm wondering if the shows so far this week were prerecorded, because it was just too strange that nothing was mentioned.
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Post by libgirl2 on Jun 1, 2018 13:48:59 GMT
I don't want to get political but if DT can call Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas and get away with it with no repercussions then why wouldn't Roseanne think she could tweet what she did and still continue in her role as Roseanne Conner? There's really nothing complicated about this, unfortunately. In this case, at least, a message was sent. Through baby steps, maybe we will get back to where we once were. One can hope, right? I don't watch T he Talk but would love to hear from anyone here if Sara addressed this on that show. Good point. In today's society everything goes.
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 1, 2018 15:03:46 GMT
As far as SG and The Talk ... I am almost sure SG will address it on the show. That is just her. She is a very kind open and honest person. SG will feel like there is " that elephant in the room" if she does not address it. I bet SG is waiting for things to quiet down like maybe next week sometime to speak on it. Does not surprise me that she was not on Thursday as I also watched Wednesday and like mamac stated the show was taped early on Wed before all the S hit the fan.
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Post by AlwaysVeg on Jun 1, 2018 15:50:10 GMT
As far as SG and The Talk ... I am almost sure SG will address it on the show. That is just her. She is a very kind open and honest person. SG will feel like there is " that elephant in the room" if she does not address it. I bet SG is waiting for things to quiet down like maybe next week sometime to speak on it. Does not surprise me that she was not on Thursday as I also watched Wednesday and like mamac stated the show was taped early on Wed before all the S hit the fan. The S hit the fan on Tuesday. I wonder if this week was all pre-taped before the holiday.
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 1, 2018 16:23:12 GMT
As far as SG and The Talk ... I am almost sure SG will address it on the show. That is just her. She is a very kind open and honest person. SG will feel like there is " that elephant in the room" if she does not address it. I bet SG is waiting for things to quiet down like maybe next week sometime to speak on it. Does not surprise me that she was not on Thursday as I also watched Wednesday and like mamac stated the show was taped early on Wed before all the S hit the fan. The S hit the fan on Tuesday. I wonder if this week was all pre-taped before the holiday. Ohhh ya, you are right AlwaysVeg ... with the holiday my days are all messed up. But no mention of anything on Tues. California gets The Talk at 1pm.
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 1, 2018 16:30:19 GMT
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jun 1, 2018 17:32:25 GMT
As far as SG and The Talk ... I am almost sure SG will address it on the show. That is just her. She is a very kind open and honest person. SG will feel like there is " that elephant in the room" if she does not address it. I bet SG is waiting for things to quiet down like maybe next week sometime to speak on it. Does not surprise me that she was not on Thursday as I also watched Wednesday and like mamac stated the show was taped early on Wed before all the S hit the fan. I have a feeling that Sara's attorney has advised her not to speak about the Roseanne situation on The Talk. But, she has tweeted about it. On May 29th she tweeted twice. She said: "Roseanne’s recent comments about Valerie Jarrett, and so much more, are abhorrent and do not reflect the beliefs of our cast and crew or anyone associated with our show. I am disappointed in her actions to say the least." and "This is incredibly sad and difficult for all of us, as we’ve created a show that we believe in, are proud of, and that audiences love— one that is separate and apart from the opinions and words of one cast member."
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Post by valelephant on Jun 1, 2018 17:48:26 GMT
this morning I watched a bit of Wendy Williams, she was asking the same question. Then apparently she had someone talking in her earpiece tell her that The Talk was pre-taped and that they were on holidays for a week.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Jun 1, 2018 19:25:47 GMT
Even if that were true, I don't think Roseanne meant her comment to be funny. She was just making a nasty comment to demean someone. The only reason humor comes into the discussion is that Roseanne used humor as one of her many excuses, when her comment was not received as well as she assumed it would be. Actually, I don't even think the fact that Roseanne is a comedienne by profession should even be a part of the discussion, again, because this comment was not a joke.I know. Unfortunately, many on tv do this. They think it's funny, and it's not..or they do it to demean someone. I couldn't quote the post, and then add my comment below it for some reason. What I meant to say is.....Unfortunately, many on tv do this. They either think they're being funny, or they intentionally demean another person. I don't think Roseanne was doing it to be comical, either. She was demeaning another, but my point is, there's a lot of this going on. It's wrong, no matter who does it.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jun 1, 2018 19:44:39 GMT
I have empathy for her even though I don't agree with what she wrote. I wonder how much public pillaging a person can take before they go to a dark place of no return. There's clearly a Roseanne that those who actually know her love and care about. Because it's been expressed by them.
This is just my opinion.
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Post by lovesamber on Jun 1, 2018 19:55:00 GMT
What's sad is they could have really used this as a learning moment in the series to demonstrate what happens when you tweet something that is vile. All those people out of work now for nothing they did wrong. One cast member does not a show make. I never liked Roseanne, but thought the show did a great job of showing both sides and still being funny. I hope they get rid of that vile The View cast and Jimmy Kimmel while they are at it. Hatred is hatred- why do we only draw a line when race is involved? I understand it's horrible- it's ALL horrible though from my perspective.
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Post by razorbacker on Jun 1, 2018 20:21:17 GMT
What's sad is they could have really used this as a learning moment in the series to demonstrate what happens when you tweet something that is vile. All those people out of work now for nothing they did wrong. One cast member does not a show make. I never liked Roseanne, but thought the show did a great job of showing both sides and still being funny. I hope they get rid of that vile The View cast and Jimmy Kimmel while they are at it. Hatred is hatred- why do we only draw a line when race is involved? I understand it's horrible- it's ALL horrible though from my perspective. You have an option of not watching any of those shows you say they should get rid of. IF they ever go over the line like Roseanne did they too will be canceled.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jun 1, 2018 20:22:24 GMT
There is a double standard, though. Another famous woman called black male teenagers "super predators" who have to be "brought to heel." She supported NYC police officers randomly patting down minority teenagers-even though they had no cause to do so. So, why does one of these women get vilified, while the other gets away with it? Both women should be condemned. Wrong is wrong.
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Post by lonnie on Jun 1, 2018 20:33:41 GMT
I don't know how much longer samantha bee's show is going to last. Sponsers have being pulling their advertisements.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Jun 1, 2018 20:40:39 GMT
I don't know how much longer samantha bee's show is going to last. Sponsers have being pulling their advertisements. Well, this will be the litmus test. If her show isn't canceled it will play into the perception there is a bias. The C word is the worst slur you can use on a woman. It is used by men who want to deliver the most hateful. humiliating, disrespectful, painful blow to a woman. And a woman using it doesn't lessen it's intent. Otherwise, why go there? Whether or not someone like or dislikes the target is irrelevant. .We always have a choice in how we choose to deliver a comment.
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Post by lovesamber on Jun 1, 2018 20:54:05 GMT
What's sad is they could have really used this as a learning moment in the series to demonstrate what happens when you tweet something that is vile. All those people out of work now for nothing they did wrong. One cast member does not a show make. I never liked Roseanne, but thought the show did a great job of showing both sides and still being funny. I hope they get rid of that vile The View cast and Jimmy Kimmel while they are at it. Hatred is hatred- why do we only draw a line when race is involved? I understand it's horrible- it's ALL horrible though from my perspective. You have an option of not watching any of those shows you say they should get rid of. IF they ever go over the line like Roseanne did they too will be canceled. I also had the option not to watch Roseanne, but that was taken away from me. I do not watch either of those shows mentioned above because I do feel lines are crossed.
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Post by mina on Jun 2, 2018 0:17:37 GMT
Years and years ago, when Biography was a regular show on A&E, I watched one on Rosanne Barr (I think it was Biography......it was like 20 years ago or so maybe with the end of the first show) and I'm pretty sure it said that she did suffer from mental illness and was in a mental hospital and on many meds. None of that excuses her though....If you know you have this problem AND have a loud mouth AND have a loud personality AND have racist views, then have someone proofread your tweets before posting. Anyways, I also watched her talkshow twice when I had to be in a hospital waiting room when that was still on and she was so monotone and boring. I remember thinking she was drugged up to be on camera because she was very very different from how I had previously seen her. She had a segment with kids doing crafts and it was so choppy and weird like she was a robot. I hope this is the end to her being shown on tv. Her family needs to intervene and take away her phone or access to social media. The more she goes on about it; the worse she looks.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Jun 2, 2018 1:04:41 GMT
Please think and consider before posting replies in this thread from this point. The thread is about the show Roseanne. Bringing up other shows with a "whatabout" because it's about something on another political side is not going to fly.
The View and late night shows are talk shows; they are designed for debating and making fun of controversial topics. IT IS NOT THE SAME THING as the situation with Roseanne.
If you want to talk about Samantha Bee's show, check in this forum for a thread for it, and if there isn't one, feel free to open one.
Roseanne's remarks were made as part of a political rant, but what got her fired had nothing to do with politics. It was an offensive remark that no one should condone no matter what political side you sit on. If you're sad/angry because some liberal star is still on the air after this, you are missing the bigger picture. Racism is (or should be) offensive to everyone. If it isn't offensive to you, feel free to post somewhere else.
This is why we got rid of Current Events at the old place -- conversations were stuck in back-and-forth "whatabouting" just like Facebook and the comments sections of almost every news/information/entertainment site. We try to be different here, and we try to promote treating people with respect and empathy.
Yes other shows will come up in the discussion here -- like The Talk since Sara Gilbert is on it and will eventually say something there. But pulling random shows out of the air to "whatabout" because you don't like someone's politics does not move the conversation forward. Help to move the conversation forward. Thank you.
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Post by acookertv on Jun 2, 2018 1:16:27 GMT
I’m seeing a few more articles talking about how Sara Gilbert and others are meeting g with ABC to talk about how they may be able to salvage the show without Roseanne. I’m hopeful that they can. While it all started as her voice and her comedy act, if they remain true to some of the factors that made the show special - the truisms about how families bicker and insult each other but take care of each other unconditionally, the struggles middle class families face, an honest exploration of real stories like opioid abuse and military life, etc - I think they can still produce something special. I’m hopeful. If not .... maybe ABc will pick up Last Man on Earth so they can resolve that cliff hanger!
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Post by MFWalkoff on Jun 2, 2018 1:39:24 GMT
I’m seeing a few more articles talking about how Sara Gilbert and others are meeting g with ABC to talk about how they may be able to salvage the show without Roseanne. I’m hopeful that they can. While it all started as her voice and her comedy act, if they remain true to some of the factors that made the show special - the truisms about how families bicker and insult each other but take care of each other unconditionally, the struggles middle class families face, an honest exploration of real stories like opioid abuse and military life, etc - I think they can still produce something special. I’m hopeful. If not .... maybe ABc will pick up Last Man on Earth so they can resolve that cliff hanger! That was one thing the new show was doing really well. Others have had the idea of ABC picking up the new One Day At A Time (another topical working class sitcom) from Netflix to fill the void -- I think that's perfect!
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Post by momrek06 on Jun 4, 2018 20:30:50 GMT
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Post by Mikesgirl on Jun 6, 2018 17:05:04 GMT
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Post by razorbacker on Jun 6, 2018 17:49:50 GMT
I think they should consider calling it. DeWitched.
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Post by waywyrd on Jun 6, 2018 17:58:01 GMT
I think they should consider calling it. DeWitched. Ha! I love it. I have no problem with a Roseanne-less show, I enjoyed the other characters more anyway. But as stated in the article, I hope they can do it so she doesn't profit...
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