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Post by Amy Lee on Mar 28, 2022 2:36:08 GMT
Is anyone up watching the Oscars? I sincerely hope Will Smith hitting and swearing at Chris Rock was scripted. it looked a little too real for me.
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Post by rembrant on Mar 28, 2022 3:54:13 GMT
Seems it wasn't scripted. An angle from a camera during commercial break showed Will standing away from the tables with Denzel Washington and Tyler Perry talking to him, and WIll looked shaked, then Denzel sat with him and Jada and continued talking, apparently comforting them.
It didn't look scripted to me, personally. I see a lot of people on Twitter saying that Will was wrong and that Chris was only joking, but I disagree. There's countless things a comedian can joke about, but when you joke about a person's health condition, especially something they have shown to be very sensitiive about and especially on international television, then you went too far and you deserve what you get. Had I been in Will's shoes, I would've done much worse to Chris.
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Post by Critical on Mar 28, 2022 4:05:51 GMT
Seems it wasn't scripted. An angle from a camera during commercial break showed Will standing away from the tables with Denzel Washington and Tyler Perry talking to him, and WIll looked shaked, then Denzel sat with him and Jada and continued talking, apparently comforting them. It didn't look scripted to me, personally. I see a lot of people on Twitter saying that Will was wrong and that Chris was only joking, but I disagree. There's countless things a comedian can joke about, but when you joke about a person's health condition, especially something they have shown to be very sensitiive about and especially on international television, then you went too far and you deserve what you get. Had I been in Will's shoes, I would've done much worse to Chris. It doesn't sound like it was scripted. I get that Will was mad, but assaulting someone on global TV is a dumb move. Dumber still is Chris Rock making fun of someone who has very publicly talked about her struggles with alopecia. If this was "Am I the A$$hole?" on Reddit, it would be ESH (everyone sucks here)....except for Jada. |
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Post by Amy Lee on Mar 28, 2022 4:32:13 GMT
Lawd! He apologized during his acceptance speech. He overshadowed his win. I will admit that I forget about Jada's condition. This was a lot.
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Post by Eastcoastmom on Mar 28, 2022 4:37:41 GMT
I'm sorry but violence is never the answer. I wasn't aware of Jada's alopecia until tonight and thought Chris Rock's joke about her being in GI Jane 2 was b/c Jada was sporting a crew cut. Of course if Chris knew of her condition, then the joke was in EXTREMELY POOR TASTE. HOWEVER, Will physically assaulted him. Not cool. Cuss him out if you must. Seek him out backstage and speak to him civilly or not so civilly. But to go onstage and assault a presenter? So wrong. Will should have been removed from the theater. His acceptance speech was ridiculous. I hope Chris Rock presses charges.
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Post by Navybelle on Mar 28, 2022 4:56:06 GMT
I just read that the LAPD said no charges were being sought. And that Will avoided going to the press room after the ceremony.
Will apologized to the Academy during his speech, but not to Chris, so there's that distinction. I agree that the joke was in horribly bad taste, I also agree that violence is not an answer. There can be more than one thing you find true. I think it was sweet for him to stick up for his wife. He should not have slapped CR on live TV, and should probably have been escorted out.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 28, 2022 5:38:19 GMT
I just read that the LAPD said no charges were being sought. And that Will avoided going to the press room after the ceremony. Will apologized to the Academy during his speech, but not to Chris, so there's that distinction. I agree that the joke was in horribly bad taste, I also agree that violence is not an answer. There can be more than one thing you find true. I think it was sweet for him to stick up for his wife. He should not have slapped CR on live TV, and should probably have been escorted out. Will laughed at first, Jada gave him the stink eye..Will seemed so emotional to me. I'm glad he won best actor, it might be his last award. Poor Liza Minelli, I love her, but she didn't seem to know what was happening |
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Post by Kao on Mar 28, 2022 5:56:59 GMT
This has been a long time coming. This is not the first time Chris Rock has made an utterly tasteless joke about Jada at an Oscar (he did so at the last Oscars he hosted) and it was the second time that evening that a tasteless joke was made at Jada's expense. If you can't tell jokes without singling people out maybe you shouldn't be a comedian? Was it the best thing to do? No.... but I understand.  I have to admit the memes coming out from literally every corner of the world have been comedy gold. |
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Post by moviememories on Mar 28, 2022 6:16:35 GMT
Seems it wasn't scripted. An angle from a camera during commercial break showed Will standing away from the tables with Denzel Washington and Tyler Perry talking to him, and WIll looked shaked, then Denzel sat with him and Jada and continued talking, apparently comforting them. It didn't look scripted to me, personally. I see a lot of people on Twitter saying that Will was wrong and that Chris was only joking, but I disagree. There's countless things a comedian can joke about, but when you joke about a person's health condition, especially something they have shown to be very sensitiive about and especially on international television, then you went too far and you deserve what you get. Had I been in Will's shoes, I would've done much worse to Chris. You would have done much worse than punching him? Wow. Jada must really have a hold on him with her cheating, obsession with past lovers, and everything else going on. I hope serena williams father gets in touch with his other kids. |
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 28, 2022 6:24:19 GMT
This has been a long time coming. This is not the first time Chris Rock has made an utterly tasteless joke about Jada at an Oscar (he did so at the last Oscars he hosted) and it was the second time that evening that a tasteless joke was made at Jada's expense. If you can't tell jokes without singling people out maybe you shouldn't be a comedian? Was it the best thing to do? No.... but I understand.  I have to admit the memes coming out from literally every corner of the world have been comedy gold. I bet Ricky Gervais is glad he wasn't on, I love him . I knew nothing at all about Jada's medical condition, and quite a few others havent. |
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Post by Kao on Mar 28, 2022 6:56:15 GMT
She talks about it quite frequently on her show. There's also a lot of nuance about this situation that makes it worse but this is not the forum to discuss such things.
Besides the other Oscars where he made fun of her Chris has also openly said horrible things about Jada in his standup routine. As I said, this has been a long time coming.
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 28, 2022 7:10:52 GMT
She talks about it quite frequently on her show. There's also a lot of nuance about this situation that makes it worse but this is not the forum to discuss such things. Besides the other Oscars where he made fun of her Chris has also openly said horrible things about Jada in his standup routine. As I said, this has been a long time coming. Interesting! I certainly thought the joke was in mean-spirited and in poor taste, but I had no idea that there was a history of Chris making jokes at Jada's expense or that there was even more to the story. Unlike many, I was aware of her alopecia and all that she's gone through with it. As you said, she's been very open about discussing it, especially on her Red Table Talk show, which I sometimes watch. |
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Post by Bearcata on Mar 28, 2022 7:10:52 GMT
Seems it wasn't scripted. An angle from a camera during commercial break showed Will standing away from the tables with Denzel Washington and Tyler Perry talking to him, and WIll looked shaked, then Denzel sat with him and Jada and continued talking, apparently comforting them. It didn't look scripted to me, personally. I see a lot of people on Twitter saying that Will was wrong and that Chris was only joking, but I disagree. There's countless things a comedian can joke about, but when you joke about a person's health condition, especially something they have shown to be very sensitiive about and especially on international television, then you went too far and you deserve what you get. Had I been in Will's shoes, I would've done much worse to Chris. You would have done much worse than punching him? Wow. Jada must really have a hold on him with the cheating and everything else going on. I hope serena williams father gets in touch with his other kids. Will and Jada Smith are very open about having an open marriage and frequently have had other partners. They are known for indulging in many alternative practices. Some call it weird, some call it experimental. Either that fight was staged or it was not. However it certainly made Will look very classless. I do kinda wish Chris had said Jada, just Jada, maybe silently just to see what Will would do. I do think that some folks would have been OK with the punch/slap but then Will had to keep saying F**king and that made it look bad. Over it was just stupid. I do wonder why people were consoling Will and Jada but did no one console Chris? |
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Post by Critical on Mar 28, 2022 7:32:18 GMT
Jada started talking about her alopecia last summer, IIRC. I've seen it on her show, but also just in the regular media. It definitely isn't a secret and I'd guess that people in the business would be more likely to know that us regular folks.
The rule with that sort of humor is "punch up, not down," but IMO, medical conditions are always an exemption. I run hot and cold about Chris Rock over the years, but this time, he was dead wrong and the reaction of the crowd confirms that.
Yeah, it's definitely not a one-sided thing with bad behavior in the Smith marriage. Lots of men AND women (apparently, for both of them).
That being said, I was really pulling for Andrew Garfield to win. I've never seen Will Smith in anything where I forgot it was him. AG became Jonathan Larson. Plus, musical.
I'm thrilled Kenneth Branagh finally won an Oscar, over 30 years after he was nominated for Henry V. I worship in his general direction.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 28, 2022 7:39:02 GMT
Jada started talking about her alopecia last summer, IIRC. I've seen it on her show, but also just in the regular media. It definitely isn't a secret and I'd guess that people in the business would be more likely to know that us regular folks. The rule with that sort of humor is "punch up, not down," but IMO, medical conditions are always an exemption. I run hot and cold about Chris Rock over the years, but this time, he was dead wrong and the reaction of the crowd confirms that. Yeah, it's definitely not a one-sided thing with bad behavior in the Smith marriage. Lots of men AND women (apparently, for both of them). That being said, I was really pulling for Andrew Garfield to win. I've never seen Will Smith in anything where I forgot it was him. AG became Jonathan Larson. Plus, musical. I'm thrilled Kenneth Branagh finally won an Oscar, over 30 years after he was nominated for Henry V. I worship in his general direction. I love Andrew Garfield. He's a talented guy. I haven't seen Belfast yet. I was happy for Jessica Chastain. |
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 28, 2022 7:40:44 GMT
She talks about it quite frequently on her show. There's also a lot of nuance about this situation that makes it worse but this is not the forum to discuss such things. Besides the other Oscars where he made fun of her Chris has also openly said horrible things about Jada in his standup routine. As I said, this has been a long time coming. Interesting! I certainly thought the joke was in mean-spirited and in poor taste, but I had no idea that there was a history of Chris making jokes at Jada's expense or that there was even more to the story. Unlike many, I was aware of her alopecia and all that she's gone through with it. As you said, she's been very open about discussing it, especially on her Red Table Talk show, which I sometimes watch. I didn't even know she had her own show, I wonder if we have it here..I'll check. She did boycott the Oscars ,when Will wasn't nominated..Rock made a joke. I think Covid and being shut in, has made everyone crazy.. |
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Post by Critical on Mar 28, 2022 8:13:28 GMT
Interesting! I certainly thought the joke was in mean-spirited and in poor taste, but I had no idea that there was a history of Chris making jokes at Jada's expense or that there was even more to the story. Unlike many, I was aware of her alopecia and all that she's gone through with it. As you said, she's been very open about discussing it, especially on her Red Table Talk show, which I sometimes watch. She did boycott the Oscars ,when Will wasn't nominated..Rock made a joke. I think Covid and being shut in, has made everyone crazy.. It's called Red Table Talk and it's on Facebook Watch  She hosts with her mom and her daughter. They've had some really good discussions. |
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Post by rembrant on Mar 28, 2022 8:21:11 GMT
Seems it wasn't scripted. An angle from a camera during commercial break showed Will standing away from the tables with Denzel Washington and Tyler Perry talking to him, and WIll looked shaked, then Denzel sat with him and Jada and continued talking, apparently comforting them. It didn't look scripted to me, personally. I see a lot of people on Twitter saying that Will was wrong and that Chris was only joking, but I disagree. There's countless things a comedian can joke about, but when you joke about a person's health condition, especially something they have shown to be very sensitiive about and especially on international television, then you went too far and you deserve what you get. Had I been in Will's shoes, I would've done much worse to Chris. You would have done much worse than punching him? Wow. Jada must really have a hold on him with her cheating, obsession with past lovers, and everything else going on. I hope serena williams father gets in touch with his other kids. Oh, yes, I absolutely would have done worse. I'm a fiercely loyal and protective person when it comes to those I care about, and to see them hurt, even if it's just their feelings, I lose my ever-loving mind and go ballistic, I'm like a bull in cartoons seeing the color red. That's why I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for Rock at all, he had it coming and then some. The fact that one of my first thoughts after the fact was pondering on why this didn't happen to Ricky Gervais or Seth MacFarlane did give me a case of the giggles. |
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 28, 2022 10:44:28 GMT
I'm sorry but violence is never the answer. I wasn't aware of Jada's alopecia until tonight and thought Chris Rock's joke about her being in GI Jane 2 was b/c Jada was sporting a crew cut. Of course if Chris knew of her condition, then the joke was in EXTREMELY POOR TASTE. HOWEVER, Will physically assaulted him. Not cool. Cuss him out if you must. Seek him out backstage and speak to him civilly or not so civilly. But to go onstage and assault a presenter? So wrong. Will should have been removed from the theater. His acceptance speech was ridiculous. I hope Chris Rock presses charges. I'm totally on board. I'd also add that we had a president who made fun of a reporter's disability and kept his popularity... yet Chris Rock, a comedian, can get backhanded on live TV and now all of a sudden there's rules? I don't give a hoot if these two men have had words over Jada in the past. Will should have stayed in his seat. |
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Post by Amy Lee on Mar 28, 2022 11:33:06 GMT
You would have done much worse than punching him? Wow. Jada must really have a hold on him with the cheating and everything else going on. I hope serena williams father gets in touch with his other kids. Will and Jada Smith are very open about having an open marriage and frequently have had other partners. They are known for indulging in many alternative practices. Some call it weird, some call it experimental. And I call it their relationship. I think some people are eager to judge because it doesn't meet the conventions of their own personal relationships. And really, it doesn't have to. What they have works for them. Sadly, it was real. I was skeptical, but then I started reading the Goldderby.com live blog and other sources. He then confirmed it was real by apologizing during his acceptance speech. Likely because she looked visibly upset at the joke and Will was emotional. FannyMare I agree that he was quite emotional. |
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Post by ccl on Mar 28, 2022 12:51:25 GMT
Responding to words you object to with violence is wrong. Will Smith was in the wrong. Full stop. I don’t care if Chris Rock has a history of saying jokes about Jada Pinkett Smith, or if this particular joke was in poor taste, he did not deserve what Will Smith did. Will Smith should have been immediately removed from the Oscars and should face consequences for his actions.
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Post by libgirl2 on Mar 28, 2022 12:56:41 GMT
The joke was tasteless but that is no excuse to get up and assault the guy. I remember years ago when Billy Crystal made fun of Jack Nicholson. You could tell he was NOT happy but he didn't get up and hit Billy.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Mar 28, 2022 13:11:30 GMT
For me, the beginning and end of this was the fact that there is one more place, one more event, one more aspect of daily life and culture that has been invaded by violence. One less place I can go to escape it. Oh look, the person in front of me at the bank has an automatic weapon over their shoulder and I have to stand here and deal with it. Oh look, those people are storming and breaking into the Capitol building and tearing things up... they just killed a DC cop. And now, I have to add the Oscars as a place where I can no longer have a reasonable expectation that there will be no violence.
An hour earlier, Regina Hall made a rough joke about Jada being okay with Will getting a "COVID test" along with the other male celebs that came onstage, because of their open marriage. Will & Jada laughed that one off for some reason.
Edgy jokes will always be a part of awards shows because they hire comics to host them. All Will had to do was wait until he saw Chris at the after party to get all alpha dog, and this would have been just another Hollywood gossip story. But instead, Will decided that the world should see an act of violence and threats on live TV. Nobody was "right" in this whole thing, but it's the violence that is the beginning and end of why I'm shook about this.
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Post by dagwood on Mar 28, 2022 14:08:20 GMT
Lawd! He apologized during his acceptance speech. He overshadowed his win. I will admit that I forget about Jada's condition. This was a lot. I didn't know she had the condition. I will admit to not being a fan so I don't pay much attention. I do like the look on her, though. It would be better if it were on purpose not because of alopecia. I have a friend who's 13 year old had it, it was so rough on her. |
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Post by beerbelly on Mar 28, 2022 14:47:31 GMT
For me, the beginning and end of this was the fact that there is one more place, one more event, one more aspect of daily life and culture that has been invaded by violence. One less place I can go to escape it. Oh look, the person in front of me at the bank has an automatic weapon over their shoulder and I have to stand here and deal with it. Oh look, those people are storming and breaking into the Capitol building and tearing things up... they just killed a DC cop. And now, I have to add the Oscars as a place where I can no longer have a reasonable expectation that there will be no violence. An hour earlier, Regina Hall made a rough joke about Jada being okay with Will getting a "COVID test" along with the other male celebs that came onstage, because of their open marriage. Will & Jada laughed that one off for some reason. Edgy jokes will always be a part of awards shows because they hire comics to host them. All Will had to do was wait until he saw Chris at the after party to get all alpha dog, and this would have been just another Hollywood gossip story. But instead, Will decided that the world should see an act of violence and threats on live TV. Nobody was "right" in this whole thing, but it's the violence that is the beginning and end of why I'm shook about this. I feel this way too. Too many recent events that have been so violent and to me, this was scary. We just had a woman in NYC shove an older adult that caused the older adults death and our hate crimes are going up. Not saying this is a hate crime (I don't believe that the shoving was considered a hate crime) but it feels that you can be anywhere and someone can hit, shove or hurt you. Someone says something and you have the need to....hit them? I am astounded that Will Smith decided that was the right thing to do. Was it him being macho? Why did he feel the need to 'protect' at that moment? I just can't imagine getting up out of your seat, with millions of people watching and walking up the stage and hitting someone. Are comedians now fair game? Are people going to see this as a norm? I hope there are consequences. Take his award away, this is not something that people should see and think it is ok. |
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Post by libgirl2 on Mar 28, 2022 14:49:11 GMT
For me, the beginning and end of this was the fact that there is one more place, one more event, one more aspect of daily life and culture that has been invaded by violence. One less place I can go to escape it. Oh look, the person in front of me at the bank has an automatic weapon over their shoulder and I have to stand here and deal with it. Oh look, those people are storming and breaking into the Capitol building and tearing things up... they just killed a DC cop. And now, I have to add the Oscars as a place where I can no longer have a reasonable expectation that there will be no violence. An hour earlier, Regina Hall made a rough joke about Jada being okay with Will getting a "COVID test" along with the other male celebs that came onstage, because of their open marriage. Will & Jada laughed that one off for some reason. Edgy jokes will always be a part of awards shows because they hire comics to host them. All Will had to do was wait until he saw Chris at the after party to get all alpha dog, and this would have been just another Hollywood gossip story. But instead, Will decided that the world should see an act of violence and threats on live TV. Nobody was "right" in this whole thing, but it's the violence that is the beginning and end of why I'm shook about this. They don't seem to have a problem with people mocking their open marriage. And when Chris Rock first made the joke, Will Smith was laughing at it! She rolled her eyes, maybe he saw that and decided he had to play "Quien es mas macho". I know there is a history of bad blood between the two, but FFS, hash it out after the show, not right in the middle of it. I agree with you. I watch the Oscars to enjoy the dresses, see the emotional speeches, I never like when it gets too political, but this was something else! Show the world that you don't like what someone said, so yes, go ahead and assault them. This is what things are coming to. Sad. |
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 28, 2022 14:54:06 GMT
And his son proudly tweets And That’s How We Do It, which is another argument for/reason why there need to be consequences.
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Post by libgirl2 on Mar 28, 2022 14:56:02 GMT
For me, the beginning and end of this was the fact that there is one more place, one more event, one more aspect of daily life and culture that has been invaded by violence. One less place I can go to escape it. Oh look, the person in front of me at the bank has an automatic weapon over their shoulder and I have to stand here and deal with it. Oh look, those people are storming and breaking into the Capitol building and tearing things up... they just killed a DC cop. And now, I have to add the Oscars as a place where I can no longer have a reasonable expectation that there will be no violence. An hour earlier, Regina Hall made a rough joke about Jada being okay with Will getting a "COVID test" along with the other male celebs that came onstage, because of their open marriage. Will & Jada laughed that one off for some reason. Edgy jokes will always be a part of awards shows because they hire comics to host them. All Will had to do was wait until he saw Chris at the after party to get all alpha dog, and this would have been just another Hollywood gossip story. But instead, Will decided that the world should see an act of violence and threats on live TV. Nobody was "right" in this whole thing, but it's the violence that is the beginning and end of why I'm shook about this. I feel this way too. Too many recent events that have been so violent and to me, this was scary. We just had a woman in NYC shove an older adult that caused the older adults death and our hate crimes are going up. Not saying this is a hate crime (I don't believe that the shoving was considered a hate crime) but it feels that you can be anywhere and someone can hit, shove or hurt you. Someone says something and you have the need to....hit them? I am astounded that Will Smith decided that was the right thing to do. Was it him being macho? Why did he feel the need to 'protect' at that moment? I just can't imagine getting up out of your seat, with millions of people watching and walking up the stage and hitting someone. Are comedians now fair game? Are people going to see this as a norm? I hope there are consequences. Take his award away, this is not something that people should see and think it is ok. My husband said they should take away his award. He said there is some kind of academy rule about behavior. I haven't heard anything yet on it. He could have taken the high road and just remained silent. He could have said something during his speech about how brave his wife is and her or anyone's condition shouldn't be a punchline. that would have really made an impact. |
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Post by Amy Lee on Mar 28, 2022 16:06:29 GMT
Overall, I liked the Oscar's this year. I thought Wanda, Regina and Amy were funny. Billie had a great performance and Jessica Chastain rightfully won.
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Post by libgirl2 on Mar 28, 2022 16:32:35 GMT
Overall, I liked the Oscar's this year. I thought Wanda, Regina and Amy were funny. Billie had a great performance and Jessica Chastain rightfully won. Somewhere Tammy Faye was smiling. |
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