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Post by Bearcata on Mar 30, 2022 7:04:41 GMT
VULNERABLE My mother lost her hair in her 50s due to I do not know what. She has worn a hat everywhere for more than 20 years. I have worried myself about losing hair and being in the same position. Jada's daughter shaves her head to make her mother feel better. Chris rock gives me the not funny high school bully vibes. "I love you, but you are ugly." They were smiling because they could not anticipate what was coming out of Chris' mouth. They all have been celebrating and drinking some. I do not think any less of Will Smith. He flipped seeing this guy humiliate his vulnerable wife. It can happen. Let us all be happy if we are not put in situations which could make us flip--monsters turning others into monsters. Will has made many, huge, entertaining movies. I do not think this will affect him future project wise. THE NEGATIVITY EVOKES AN OPINION We must say something about this negative whirlwind. I can see people siding based on what is their worst fear: the insulting bully or the face slapper. We want to protect someone. Who? Ourselves. I want to protect Jada and Will. I see Jim Carrey saying he is horrified. The last news I ever heard about Jim Carrey was very negative and was certainly more horrific than any bullier or slapper news......but I can see where he is afraid of not funny comedians getting slapped. Chris Rock's Ticket Sales went up--well, if that's the way you want to spend your time and money, go for it. It is very hard to have any sympathy for the Smiths as they have been very outspoken about themselves on social media. They have also been in show business for 20 plus years this is not the first or last time they will be targeted. You can not pick and chose when you will be outraged especially when you put your private life out on social media. Jada should have been flattered that Chris Rock thought she could do a "mighty female warrior" movie. |
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 30, 2022 7:09:16 GMT
The Oscars and the Golden Globes are known for picking hosts whose job is to put the stars in their places, Ricky Gervaise comes to mind. The jokes are extremely personal. If every star who was offended Bum rushed the stage, we'd have constant chaos. They were both in the wrong. But, Smiths actions took the spotlight away from his fellow nominees and their personal triumphs. He made it about him. He's now apologized to Rock. Denzel Washington was talking him off the cliff last night. "Be careful about when you are at your highest moment because that's when the devil comes for you." I think Rocks comments about Jada do go beyond her. He's not only mocking her bald head he's making fun of the many black women who choose to wear styles that are close cut to the head or bald. I absolutely have empathy for Smith and I have to wonder how Id respond, if at is Rock, all. I feel my gut clenching as I'm emotional by nature. I might have punched Chris Rock. But, I'd be wrong to do it. I think. I mean, I think Chris Rock had it coming. On the other hand, this is not the time or place to deal with it. You have to be aware of the fact your behavior will impact everyone else there as the media and social media will be talking about you for the next six days instead of focusing on some historic wins. It's hard to have sympathy for Will Smith when he is shown laughing at the joke. Exactly. |
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Mar 30, 2022 12:04:54 GMT
The Oscars and the Golden Globes are known for picking hosts whose job is to put the stars in their places, Ricky Gervaise comes to mind. The jokes are extremely personal. If every star who was offended Bum rushed the stage, we'd have constant chaos. They were both in the wrong. But, Smiths actions took the spotlight away from his fellow nominees and their personal triumphs. He made it about him. He's now apologized to Rock. Denzel Washington was talking him off the cliff last night. "Be careful about when you are at your highest moment because that's when the devil comes for you." I think Rocks comments about Jada do go beyond her. He's not only mocking her bald head he's making fun of the many black women who choose to wear styles that are close cut to the head or bald. I absolutely have empathy for Smith and I have to wonder how Id respond, if at is Rock, all. I feel my gut clenching as I'm emotional by nature. I might have punched Chris Rock. But, I'd be wrong to do it. I think. I mean, I think Chris Rock had it coming. On the other hand, this is not the time or place to deal with it. You have to be aware of the fact your behavior will impact everyone else there as the media and social media will be talking about you for the next six days instead of focusing on some historic wins. It's hard to have sympathy for Will Smith when he is shown laughing at the joke. I agree, Bearcata..or, smirking like he did as he walked away after he punched Chris. |
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 30, 2022 14:35:48 GMT
He not only smirked he swaggered back to his seat like he was proud of his accomplishment. Trust me, I get no glee out of putting this man down but behavior like this should never be approved, and certainly not rewarded or excused. Did Chris Rock go off-script? Were his lines pre-approved? Jada said just days before, "... I don’t give two craps what people think of this bald head of mine. Because guess what? I love it.” So why did she roll her eyes? As FannyMare mentioned above, GI Jane was a fierce (healthy) character, and even Demi's daughter decide to rock that hair style during covid. Jada was rocking it - she wasn't hiding it under a wig - she said she loved it. Now Amy Schumer is opening up about how this ruined her experience, saying she is feeling sickened just like Jim Carry. |
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Post by libgirl2 on Mar 30, 2022 14:44:39 GMT
VULNERABLE My mother lost her hair in her 50s due to I do not know what. She has worn a hat everywhere for more than 20 years. I have worried myself about losing hair and being in the same position. Jada's daughter shaves her head to make her mother feel better. Chris rock gives me the not funny high school bully vibes. "I love you, but you are ugly." They were smiling because they could not anticipate what was coming out of Chris' mouth. They all have been celebrating and drinking some. I do not think any less of Will Smith. He flipped seeing this guy humiliate his vulnerable wife. It can happen. Let us all be happy if we are not put in situations which could make us flip--monsters turning others into monsters. Will has made many, huge, entertaining movies. I do not think this will affect him future project wise. THE NEGATIVITY EVOKES AN OPINION We must say something about this negative whirlwind. I can see people siding based on what is their worst fear: the insulting bully or the face slapper. We want to protect someone. Who? Ourselves. I want to protect Jada and Will. I see Jim Carrey saying he is horrified. The last news I ever heard about Jim Carrey was very negative and was certainly more horrific than any bullier or slapper news......but I can see where he is afraid of not funny comedians getting slapped. Chris Rock's Ticket Sales went up--well, if that's the way you want to spend your time and money, go for it. I am very sorry about your mom. My mom had very thin hair and you could see her scalp. She styled it to give it some volume. My hair is thin but I have a lot of it. I worry about it too. That said, if someone made a joke at my expense, I would be mortified if my husband got up and hit the person. I abhor violence and it shouldn't be the answer, especially when he had the perfect platform to defend and support his wife as well as condemn what Chris Rock said. And as expected, ticket sales for CR are soaring. |
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 30, 2022 14:59:15 GMT
The Oscars and the Golden Globes are known for picking hosts whose job is to put the stars in their places, Ricky Gervaise comes to mind. The jokes are extremely personal. If every star who was offended Bum rushed the stage, we'd have constant chaos. They were both in the wrong. But, Smiths actions took the spotlight away from his fellow nominees and their personal triumphs. He made it about him. He's now apologized to Rock. Denzel Washington was talking him off the cliff last night. "Be careful about when you are at your highest moment because that's when the devil comes for you." I think Rocks comments about Jada do go beyond her. He's not only mocking her bald head he's making fun of the many black women who choose to wear styles that are close cut to the head or bald. I absolutely have empathy for Smith and I have to wonder how Id respond, if at is Rock, all. I feel my gut clenching as I'm emotional by nature. I might have punched Chris Rock. But, I'd be wrong to do it. I think. I mean, I think Chris Rock had it coming. On the other hand, this is not the time or place to deal with it. You have to be aware of the fact your behavior will impact everyone else there as the media and social media will be talking about you for the next six days instead of focusing on some historic wins. It's hard to have sympathy for Will Smith when he is shown laughing at the joke.  |
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Post by Kao on Mar 30, 2022 15:38:39 GMT
Ugh, the memes were extremely funny at first but then it got very nasty and ugly with all the thinkpieces, classism, respectability politics, blatant and not so blatant racism, and people foaming at the mouth to blame Jada? "Jada looked upset! She mind controlled Will and MADE him do it" and other ridiculous things. For certain people she was never good enough for Will and those people are having a field day right now. I had to mute it all.
I also want to say that some of you have never been in a situation where you've been forced to put on a smile and laugh at your own expense, even when it's cruel and abusive and I'm glad for you because it is a horrible position to be in. I recommend reading the poem "We Wear the Mask" by Paul Laurence Dunbar.
There's no excuse, but it's obvious to anyone who has seen excerpts of his book that Will is going through some things. I don't think he's a bad person, I think he had a momentary lapse of reason and he apologized for it later on Instagram and it was a beautiful, well thought out apology with none of that "I'm sorry you were offended" mess. I'm also side eying people who feel like Will should be drawn and quartered for this while they are caping for People like Roman Polanski, Woody Allen, and Casey Affleck out the other side of their mouths. I blame our society; the Internet is wonderful, but it's also encouraged people to say the most horrendous things to other people online just because they can and they don't think of the person on the receiving end as a human being, and that has spread out into real life where people are enboldened by their ignorance online and abuse or harm others. And as much as I've seen "talk [redacted], get hit" played out in real time in my life to ever want to say horrible things about people I think the answer is instead of normalizing people getting slapped, we should normalize people...being good to each other. Being kind. Uplifting each other, not tearing down.
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Post by ccl on Mar 30, 2022 16:00:19 GMT
That apology was either entirely written by his PR, or heavily vetted/influenced by them. Him strutting off stage afterwards, doubling down by cursing from his seat, giving a speech where he apologized to others but not the man he hit, and then going out living it up and partying after the Oscars…yeah, that shows more to me what he believes in terms of whether he’s sorry for what he did versus what his instagram statement says (in my opinion, of course).
I don’t think his Oscar should be taken away, nor should he be metaphorically drawn and quartered or, in modern terms, cancelled. But he should not be excused or justified (and even lauded, by many people) for what he did.
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 30, 2022 16:11:42 GMT
That apology was either entirely written by his PR, or heavily vetted/influenced by them. Him strutting off stage afterwards, doubling down by cursing from his seat, giving a speech where he apologized to others but not the man he hit, and then going out living it up and partying after the Oscars…yeah, that shows more to me what he believes in terms of whether he’s sorry for what he did versus what his instagram statement says (in my opinion, of course). I don’t think his Oscar should be taken away, nor should he be metaphorically drawn and quartered or, in modern terms, cancelled. But he should not be excused or justified (and even lauded, by many people) for what he did. 100% agree that WS did not write that Instagram post. One Hundred Percent.  AND how does anyone know if CR even saw this apology?  Maybe CR does not have instagram. I have two millennial sons, one an attorney and one an engineer and NEITHER of them do any kinds of social media. WS, your opportunity was LIVE SUNDAY NIGHT on that Oscar stage to have apologized to CR. Typical "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" by Smith's publicist.  |
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Post by libgirl2 on Mar 30, 2022 17:23:30 GMT
That apology was either entirely written by his PR, or heavily vetted/influenced by them. Him strutting off stage afterwards, doubling down by cursing from his seat, giving a speech where he apologized to others but not the man he hit, and then going out living it up and partying after the Oscars…yeah, that shows more to me what he believes in terms of whether he’s sorry for what he did versus what his instagram statement says (in my opinion, of course). I don’t think his Oscar should be taken away, nor should he be metaphorically drawn and quartered or, in modern terms, cancelled. But he should not be excused or justified (and even lauded, by many people) for what he did. 100% agree that WS did not write that Instagram post. One Hundred Percent. AND how does anyone know if CR even saw this apology? Maybe CR does not have instagram. I have two millennial sons, one an attorney and one an engineer and NEITHER of them do any kinds of social media. WS, your opportunity was LIVE SUNDAY NIGHT on that Oscar stage to have apologized to CR.Typical "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" by Smith's publicist. And again, he could have changed the way things turned out in his speech, said he lost his temper, explained why, talk about how wonderful a wife he has and how proud he is of her. Instead he got a standing ovation and people saying he did the right thing. No he didn't and that doesn't excuse CR from what he said but you don't fight with a fist (or hand) over a comment. It just makes you look bad. And I know how much words hurt from growing up. It would be tempting to hit someone but you just don't do that. It is assault. CR could have slugged him back. I think Kareem Abdul Jabbar said it very well www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kareem-abdul-jabbar-will-smith-perpetuated-stereotypes-black-community-slapping-chris-rock-oscars-145518033.html |
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Mar 30, 2022 17:27:30 GMT
I give Chris Rock props for keeping his composure (as they stated in the news afterwards), and going on with the show as calmly as he could. I said the same thing thing, libgirl2. Chris could have punched back, and didn't. He was the much bigger person for keeping composed.
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 30, 2022 19:28:37 GMT
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Post by libgirl2 on Mar 30, 2022 19:55:15 GMT
And that he didn't have to do. He didn't steal her moment, Will Smith did. |
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 30, 2022 19:56:52 GMT
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 30, 2022 19:57:43 GMT
And that he didn't have to do. He didn't steal her moment, Will Smith did. EXACTLY!!!!! SMITH DID!!!!! |
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Post by Bearcata on Mar 30, 2022 20:46:53 GMT
Will Smith is not sorry. If he was any kind of a real man he would go up to Chris Rock and face him man to man and apologize.
Apologizing using Instagram, or other social media is the coward's way.
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Post by Bearcata on Mar 30, 2022 20:48:59 GMT
100% agree that WS did not write that Instagram post. One Hundred Percent. AND how does anyone know if CR even saw this apology? Maybe CR does not have instagram. I have two millennial sons, one an attorney and one an engineer and NEITHER of them do any kinds of social media. WS, your opportunity was LIVE SUNDAY NIGHT on that Oscar stage to have apologized to CR. Typical "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" by Smith's publicist. He had to apologize, and I don't care who wrote it, just like I don't care if Jada was showered with flowers from the Academy, or Rock's PR person. Will Smith is being cowardly and insincere by having his PR apologize to CR using Instagram. Will Smith can't arrange to meet with CR, or Call him? |
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Post by libgirl2 on Mar 30, 2022 21:15:26 GMT
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 30, 2022 21:30:15 GMT
 Same article I posted above.
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 30, 2022 21:33:31 GMT
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Post by libgirl2 on Mar 30, 2022 21:59:37 GMT
 Same article I posted above. The ABC 7 threw me off. Oops |
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Post by libgirl2 on Mar 30, 2022 22:02:10 GMT
There were and we should be focusing on that and not taking away from them. Troy Kotsur winning was so emotional. I was thrilled for Jessica Chastain because I loved, loved, loved that movie. But for me, the part that made me choke up was Lady Gaga "I got you". |
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Post by libgirl2 on Mar 30, 2022 22:46:18 GMT
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 30, 2022 23:47:02 GMT
He had to apologize, and I don't care who wrote it, just like I don't care if Jada was showered with flowers from the Academy, or Rock's PR person. Will Smith is being cowardly and insincere by having his PR apologize to CR using Instagram. Will Smith can't arrange to meet with CR, or Call him? We probably will never know, unless Jada talks about it, like everything else. I guess I'm more concerned with Ukraine, than these three adults, acting like children |
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Post by libgirl2 on Mar 30, 2022 23:57:16 GMT
Will Smith is being cowardly and insincere by having his PR apologize to CR using Instagram. Will Smith can't arrange to meet with CR, or Call him? We probably will never know, unless Jada talks about it, like everything else. I guess I'm more concerned with Ukraine, than these three adults, acting like children I think we are all more concerned about the Ukraine. This is something to ponder about, whether people think it is trivial or not. We have so many real world scares, we are getting through covid and all that entailed.... so we gravitate to something like this. It feels like more of a normal thing we would have been talking about just aa few years ago. |
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Post by Bearcata on Mar 31, 2022 0:53:52 GMT
We probably will never know, unless Jada talks about it, like everything else. I guess I'm more concerned with Ukraine, than these three adults, acting like children I think we are all more concerned about the Ukraine. This is something to ponder about, whether people think it is trivial or not. We have so many real world scares, we are getting through covid and all that entailed.... so we gravitate to something like this. It feels like more of a normal thing we would have been talking about just aa few years ago. Totally agree. With all the horrific things happening in the world I appreciate the lighter moments and thank you season 2 of the Bridgertons for my feel good weekend. |
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Post by momrek06 on Mar 31, 2022 2:21:47 GMT
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Post by libgirl2 on Mar 31, 2022 10:41:17 GMT
I think we are all more concerned about the Ukraine. This is something to ponder about, whether people think it is trivial or not. We have so many real world scares, we are getting through covid and all that entailed.... so we gravitate to something like this. It feels like more of a normal thing we would have been talking about just aa few years ago. Totally agree. With all the horrific things happening in the world I appreciate the lighter moments and thank you season 2 of the Bridgertons for my feel good weekend. I finished Bridgerton in two nights. I can't wait until season 3! |
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Post by ibot2much on Mar 31, 2022 15:03:48 GMT
Could someone give details of Liza's decline? Mention of Lady Gaga being kind to her was interesting---did they present together? I recall how wonderful she was with Tony Bennett when they had the special of their show together, so she has natural empathy and makes me think better of her.
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Post by libgirl2 on Mar 31, 2022 15:12:09 GMT
Could someone give details of Liza's decline? Mention of Lady Gaga being kind to her was interesting---did they present together? I recall how wonderful she was with Tony Bennett when they had the special of their show together, so she has natural empathy and makes me think better of her. They presented best picture together. Liza was in a wheelchair and looked frail and confused. |
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