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Post by Critical on Dec 31, 2023 21:06:06 GMT
We gave Jodie's Doctor a go but managed barely one series. It was depressing and the writing so poor. She just wasn't the right person to play the role. I compare her to Jo Martin who should have been the first female to play the role. I think Jo Martin would have been hindered by the same thing Jodie was - a bad showrunner. I do think JM would have been a terrific Doctor though. I kept watching because I love Jodie, but it wasn't great.
I've seen some nasty comments about Ncuti online (obviously, race- and sexuality-based), but, by and large, the response seems to be very positive. I think he's a perfect choice. SO charismatic, great physicality, really handsome. I loved that he really was able to hold his own against David Tennant, which is not an easy feat. That moment when he embraced 14 and comforted him had me misty.
I've also seen complaints about the bi-generation, but good grief, it's scifi. They can do whatever they want! I love that 14 got a happy ending with his "family."
Did anyone notice Rose (Noble, not Tyler) in the series preview? I'm so glad we'll see more of her!
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Post by libgirl2 on Dec 31, 2023 21:40:30 GMT
Yea, she probably would have suffered too. The biggest hindrance with that run was Chibnall.
I'm not a fan of the bigeneration. I get its a sci-fi show but I feel as if there isn't enough faith in Ncuti and Tennant is the Time Lord back up card. Baker was mad popular but when Davison showed up, they didn't keep him around just in case.
Give Ncuti his full Doctor respect. He deserves it as every actor has gotten.
JMHO.
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Post by Critical on Dec 31, 2023 22:39:42 GMT
Yea, she probably would have suffered too. The biggest hindrance with that run was Chibnall. I'm not a fan of the bigeneration. I get its a sci-fi show but I feel as if there isn't enough faith in Ncuti and Tennant is the Time Lord back up card. Baker was mad popular but when Davison showed up, they didn't keep him around just in case. Give Ncuti his full Doctor respect. He deserves it as every actor has gotten. JMHO. I think there was a lot of blow-back about the Donna Doctor storyline and fans were really unhappy she didn't get a happy ending. I think also Tennant is SO popular in the fandom that maybe RTD wanted to just give fans the idea that he COULD be back AND have him live happily ever after with his best friend. I did read something recently that indicated that, if he came back, it wouldn't be for a long while. I think RTD definitely wants to give Ncuti the time to be the Doctor and helm the show without Tennant hanging around. I love DT - he's MY Doctor - but I don't want him coming back for a good long time, if ever.
I think they handed the reigns over to Ncuti pretty solidly. Having him tell 14 and Donna to get out of the Tardis was perfect. They've put a ton of money into promoting this new Doctor/companion pairing. They seem to have every confidence in Ncuti - and I think they definitely should. He's a star.
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Post by Kao on Jan 1, 2024 6:09:01 GMT
We gave Jodie's Doctor a go but managed barely one series. It was depressing and the writing so poor. She just wasn't the right person to play the role. I compare her to Jo Martin who should have been the first female to play the role. I think Jo Martin would have been hindered by the same thing Jodie was - a bad showrunner. I do think JM would have been a terrific Doctor though. I kept watching because I love Jodie, but it wasn't great.
I've seen some nasty comments about Ncuti online (obviously, race- and sexuality-based), but, by and large, the response seems to be very positive. I think he's a perfect choice. SO charismatic, great physicality, really handsome. I loved that he really was able to hold his own against David Tennant, which is not an easy feat. That moment when he embraced 14 and comforted him had me misty.
I've also seen complaints about the bi-generation, but good grief, it's scifi. They can do whatever they want! I love that 14 got a happy ending with his "family."
Did anyone notice Rose (Noble, not Tyler) in the series preview? I'm so glad we'll see more of her!
From what I've seen those people are overwhelmingly being shouted down, and I'm happy about that.
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Post by Critical on Jan 4, 2024 0:08:27 GMT
I think Jo Martin would have been hindered by the same thing Jodie was - a bad showrunner. I do think JM would have been a terrific Doctor though. I kept watching because I love Jodie, but it wasn't great.
I've seen some nasty comments about Ncuti online (obviously, race- and sexuality-based), but, by and large, the response seems to be very positive. I think he's a perfect choice. SO charismatic, great physicality, really handsome. I loved that he really was able to hold his own against David Tennant, which is not an easy feat. That moment when he embraced 14 and comforted him had me misty.
I've also seen complaints about the bi-generation, but good grief, it's scifi. They can do whatever they want! I love that 14 got a happy ending with his "family."
Did anyone notice Rose (Noble, not Tyler) in the series preview? I'm so glad we'll see more of her!
From what I've seen those people are overwhelmingly being shouted down, and I'm happy about that. Same! Frankly, I find it ridiculous that so many people fuss about diversity in a genre that's known for diversity. It's like all the people fussing about Jodie's casting and how it was causing a lack of role models for little boys ![:ohno](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/CmzmziJXIEoSdtEKIUiz.gif) Oh no, where will little boys turn to find role models in popular culture ![:lol](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/kZvKcZukVaJcAqJidzda.gif)
I think there will always be people who want to bash things because they think it means they're cool. I think Ncuti will win some people over, but the trolls will always hate him for no valid reason...or, you know, they're racist homophobes.
For me, this new series can't start soon enough!
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Post by libgirl2 on Jan 4, 2024 0:26:14 GMT
From what I've seen those people are overwhelmingly being shouted down, and I'm happy about that. Same! Frankly, I find it ridiculous that so many people fuss about diversity in a genre that's known for diversity. It's like all the people fussing about Jodie's casting and how it was causing a lack of role models for little boys ![:ohno](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/CmzmziJXIEoSdtEKIUiz.gif) Oh no, where will little boys turn to find role models in popular culture ![:lol](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/kZvKcZukVaJcAqJidzda.gif)
I think there will always be people who want to bash things because they think it means they're cool. I think Ncuti will win some people over, but the trolls will always hate him for no valid reason...or, you know, they're racist homophobes.
For me, this new series can't start soon enough!
As an avid watcher since the early 80s, my issue was more so that The Doctor had always been a male for my entire life. It was an adjustment and I hate being made to feel that there was something wrong with me for being hesitant about it. I was willing to give Jodie a chance (I love her other work) but then the writing was so poor that I just washed my hands of it. I think as the first female Doctor, she was done a disservice by Chibnall. As for Ncuti being a person of color, doesn't bother me in the slightest. He seems like he is going to be really fun, something that has been missing for awhile. And it is great that he doesn't have that anchor of Chibnall writing for him. Ugh! As for love interests, I'm still a bit more old school that the Doctor doesn't go around kissing everyone of his companions. I think that is why I always loved the Tennant/Tate pairing because they are friends and just get each other without kissing and romance. Reminds me so much of Four and Sarah Jane. Can you tell I dislike Chibnall?
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Post by Critical on Jan 4, 2024 1:46:37 GMT
As an avid watcher since the early 80s, my issue was more so that The Doctor had always been a male for my entire life. It was an adjustment and I hate being made to feel that there was something wrong with me for being hesitant about it. I was willing to give Jodie a chance (I love her other work) but then the writing was so poor that I just washed my hands of it. I think as the first female Doctor, she was done a disservice by Chibnall. As for Ncuti being a person of color, doesn't bother me in the slightest. He seems like he is going to be really fun, something that has been missing for awhile. And it is great that he doesn't have that anchor of Chibnall writing for him. Ugh! As for love interests, I'm still a bit more old school that the Doctor doesn't go around kissing everyone of his companions. I think that is why I always loved the Tennant/Tate pairing because they are friends and just get each other without kissing and romance. Reminds me so much of Four and Sarah Jane. Can you tell I dislike Chibnall? ![:lol](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/kZvKcZukVaJcAqJidzda.gif) I dislike him in the context of this show. I LOVED Broadchurch and I liked what he did with Torchwood too. He was just the WRONG person to helm Doctor Who.
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Post by libgirl2 on Jan 4, 2024 15:25:23 GMT
As an avid watcher since the early 80s, my issue was more so that The Doctor had always been a male for my entire life. It was an adjustment and I hate being made to feel that there was something wrong with me for being hesitant about it. I was willing to give Jodie a chance (I love her other work) but then the writing was so poor that I just washed my hands of it. I think as the first female Doctor, she was done a disservice by Chibnall. As for Ncuti being a person of color, doesn't bother me in the slightest. He seems like he is going to be really fun, something that has been missing for awhile. And it is great that he doesn't have that anchor of Chibnall writing for him. Ugh! As for love interests, I'm still a bit more old school that the Doctor doesn't go around kissing everyone of his companions. I think that is why I always loved the Tennant/Tate pairing because they are friends and just get each other without kissing and romance. Reminds me so much of Four and Sarah Jane. Can you tell I dislike Chibnall? ![:lol](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/kZvKcZukVaJcAqJidzda.gif) I dislike him in the context of this show. I LOVED Broadchurch and I liked what he did with Torchwood too. He was just the WRONG person to helm Doctor Who. Yes, I really liked Broadchurch and his work in Torchwood, but after Doctor Who, I'm not quite sure I want him to touch anything I like anymore.
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Post by Kao on Jan 20, 2024 17:50:14 GMT
There's some messiness afoot on Dr. Who, and for once it's not about Ncuti. The rumor mill is saying that Millie Gibson is only going to be the companion for the upcoming season and will be in a reduced role for Season 2, replaced by Varada Sethu (Andor). No one is sure why, but there's a lot of speculation going on right now and none of it good. The Mirror straight up said she was fired, while The Daily Fail said she was a "diva" (which as we know is the catchall phrase people use when it's a woman in a creative field who refuses to be taken advantage of) creating chaos on set. As Dr Who is one of the chillest sets I can't see this happening but when there's smoke, there's fire...and there's been a lot of smoke recently.
The BBC is being very close lipped about this. In addition, NCuti posted a nice pic of him and Gibson on IG with a heart after these stories dropped, so whatever issue is going on it's not with him.
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Post by MissGriss on Jan 20, 2024 20:49:00 GMT
I’m sorry to hear that. From what I’ve seen so far, which is admittedly not a lot, I’ve really liked how they are together.
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Post by libgirl2 on Jan 22, 2024 17:29:46 GMT
There's some messiness afoot on Dr. Who, and for once it's not about Ncuti. The rumor mill is saying that Millie Gibson is only going to be the companion for the upcoming season and will be in a reduced role for Season 2, replaced by Varada Sethu (Andor). No one is sure why, but there's a lot of speculation going on right now and none of it good. The Mirror straight up said she was fired, while The Daily Fail said she was a "diva" (which as we know is the catchall phrase people use when it's a woman in a creative field who refuses to be taken advantage of) creating chaos on set. As Dr Who is one of the chillest sets I can't see this happening but when there's smoke, there's fire...and there's been a lot of smoke recently. The BBC is being very close lipped about this. In addition, NCuti posted a nice pic of him and Gibson on IG with a heart after these stories dropped, so whatever issue is going on it's not with him. Interesting. Gee, I hope that is not the case, the show has barely even started. ETA, I looked this up and there are an awful lot of stories about this happening.
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Post by Critical on Jan 23, 2024 4:49:34 GMT
I've seen a bunch of stories too and maybe it was because MG was a pain, but look at the other companions under RTD who were one-season companions, including Donna (and Martha). Bill was also only on one season. It could just be that RTD wants to keep things changing. I'd guess that if it's a case of Millie being difficult, it'll eventually come out.
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Post by Kao on Jan 23, 2024 6:26:12 GMT
That's true, but in those cases it was just "Oh, here's a new companion for the Doctor" without any fanfare. No one was saying that the actresses that played Donna, Martha, and Bill were fired, nor were they accused of bad behavior. According to People On The Internet there were issues with how MG treated the crew but no one is willing to go into details, so either it's people making noise or those NDAs kicking in. In MG's defense, she was also on Coronation Street and there were no reports that she was anything other than professional on set, so who knows? In addition, The Mirror is known for making stuff up, but the "she's fired" story broke in several places. It's really, really weird.
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Post by libgirl2 on Jan 23, 2024 11:34:18 GMT
That's true, but in those cases it was just "Oh, here's a new companion for the Doctor" without any fanfare. No one was saying that the actresses that played Donna, Martha, and Bill were fired, nor were they accused of bad behavior. According to People On The Internet there were issues with how MG treated the crew but no one is willing to go into details, so either it's people making noise or those NDAs kicking in. In MG's defense, she was also on Coronation Street and there were no reports that she was anything other than professional on set, so who knows? In addition, The Mirror is known for making stuff up, but the "she's fired" story broke in several places. It's really, really weird. Donna had been on before and I think they realized her and The Doctor had great chemistry. After the romance with Rose and Martha pining for him, he needed a friend, just a friend. We knew Bill would only be one season from the start. I wish they would have brought her in sooner as I had Clara fatigue. The Doctor took on the teacher role with her. Martha, I'm not quite sure about.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Jan 23, 2024 21:52:55 GMT
Yazmin Finney (as Rose) was shown in the last trailer for the upcoming season, so at least one person from the Tennant 2.0 shows will be back for an episode or two...
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Post by MissGriss on Jan 23, 2024 23:42:59 GMT
Regarding Millie, a British Dr. Who-focused podcast I watch was talking about the rumors of her being replaced and pointed out that she was a pretty hot commodity even before Dr. Who, and it's quite possible that she only committed to a one season (plus a few episodes) story arc from the beginning. We really don't know. ![:shrug](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/UjEYIawKr0DSmqWzXgnU.gif)
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Post by Kao on Mar 21, 2024 13:35:19 GMT
I finally watched the Christmas episode and SCREAMED when those goblins started singing about how they were going to eat that baby! ![:rofl](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/AhCFSzWGQYvXzUAMXIlF.gif) I LOVE Ncuti; he plays the Doctor with such lightness, and a fun, almost playful air with "timey wimey" mixed in. The new episodes are coming Saturday 11th May 2024, and the first two episodes will be released at once. They're also going to be released around the world at exactly the same time, with UK fans able to watch on BBC iPlayer and fans around the world able to tune in on Disney Plus.
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Post by MissGriss on May 11, 2024 4:09:39 GMT
Has anyone else watched the new episodes that came out today? When I looked at around 7:00 MDT, I was surprised they were already available, but I guess they came out at midnight British time.
I don't know if I was maybe just too tired or if they really were rather "meh," but I'm interested to hear what others think. I liked The Devil's Chord better than Space Babies, but I went into it feeling like I'd just wasted an hour of my time, so I was kind of grumpy. I may want to watch that one again and see what I think on a second viewing. I liked the premise, but I just didn't get pulled into either story in the way I would have liked. Sigh. I'm not sure what's off, because I like Ncuti and Millie. It just feels like the material they've been given isn't up to Russell T Davies' normal standards. Or maybe it will look bettter after a good night's sleep.
What did you all think?
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Post by ccl on May 11, 2024 4:56:33 GMT
I just saw the first one (Space Babies). I liked it, didn’t love it. The talking babies kind of put me off; felt like there was already a baby in Ruby Road we didn’t need more so soon. Also reminded me of the episode where Amy and the Doctor go to Starship UK (detrimentally, as that was a better episode). Energy was good overall and I’m still liking the Doctor and Ruby.
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Post by Kao on May 11, 2024 22:29:57 GMT
I just finished the Space Babies episode and yes, it was messy but in a good way? Loving The Doctor and Ruby together; they have amazing chemistry. After the last season I'm just enjoying the lightness Ncuti brings to the role, and sometimes you need some silliness; a monster made out of boogers; talking babies, and some dark hints about the future (the snow). I haven't watched the second episode yet but I'm going to assume it's a bit more serious in nature.
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Post by Kao on May 12, 2024 4:58:14 GMT
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Post by Critical on May 12, 2024 6:34:34 GMT
I loved both episodes. I'm all in on Ncuti and on Millie. I love their chemistry together and I'm enjoying a new youthful Doctor and companion. I read a review where the person was annoyed that he kept saying, "space babies," but it made me laugh. "Captain Poppy" is the cutest thing ever! I don't normally like talking babies or talking animals, but I tried to let that go and enjoy the episode. All of the snot ![:rofl](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/AhCFSzWGQYvXzUAMXIlF.gif) Fun to see Golda Rosheuvel out of her Bridgerton/Queen Charlotte finery! I really enjoyed The Devil's Chord. Jinkx Monsoon was perfect as Maestro. I love how they managed to have The Beatles on the episode without one Beatles song! ![:lol](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/kZvKcZukVaJcAqJidzda.gif) I'm sure they can't afford the music rights on that. The "songs" in the episode were so hilariously bad. A read another review that was really favorable, especially to Ncuti. The writer brought up the fact that some previous Doctors have been awkward or fumbling (Matt Smith, I'm looking at you!), but Ncuti is in complete control, physically. He has such presence. I love that he's making the role his own so quickly. I like the fact that this Doctor doesn't have a "uniform." I'm enjoying his various costume changes.
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Post by Kao on May 12, 2024 7:14:38 GMT
A plus for the Space Babies episode is that the CGI/Fx was so seamless it actually LOOKED like those babies were talking; there's a light years worth of difference between this and say, the "Look Who's Talking" movies. ![:rofl](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/AhCFSzWGQYvXzUAMXIlF.gif) It elevated it from Uncanny Valley territory to something real for me, and I very much appreciated the artistry that went into those scenes.
I also laughed when the Doctor said he spent "a long hot summer" with Houdini because it was very playful and can be interpreted... in many ways. ![:rofl](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/AhCFSzWGQYvXzUAMXIlF.gif)
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Post by ccl on May 12, 2024 13:14:10 GMT
Regarding the doctor’s uniform…I did like the whole “we’re in the 60s, time to play dress up” scene he and Ruby had. Overall liked episode 2 (3, I guess) a lot more than the previous one.
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Post by MissGriss on May 12, 2024 19:23:32 GMT
I really liked the premise of The Devil's Chord, but there was one thing about it that made my brain hurt. If the devil's chord got played back in the '20s releasing The Maestro to suck up all the music, and it happened in the same timeline as current reality, how did the Beatles happen in the first place? Wouldn't the whole dire 2024 scene that the Doctor showed her already be happening? Or were we supposed to believe that they'd somehow slipped into an alternate reality. It doesn't make sense. If I'd been writing it, I would have had the Maestro be someone who's timeline worked backwards and was changing history by sucking up the music retroactively. Am I just thinking too much? (What can I say--I'm a Virgo. LOL) On a different note. Get it? ![:rofl](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/AhCFSzWGQYvXzUAMXIlF.gif) It would have been fun if that final dance number had been done to Twist and Shout, since the Beatles did a version of it.
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Post by Critical on May 12, 2024 23:55:56 GMT
I really liked the premise of The Devil's Chord, but there was one thing about it that made my brain hurt. If the devil's chord got played back in the '20s releasing The Maestro to suck up all the music, and it happened in the same timeline as current reality, how did the Beatles happen in the first place? Wouldn't the whole dire 2024 scene that the Doctor showed her already be happening? Or were we supposed to believe that they'd somehow slipped into an alternate reality. It doesn't make sense. If I'd been writing it, I would have had the Maestro be someone who's timeline worked backwards and was changing history by sucking up the music retroactively. Am I just thinking too much? (What can I say--I'm a Virgo. LOL) On a different note. Get it? It would have been fun if that final dance number had been done to Twist and Shout, since the Beatles did a version of it. I don't think even Disney wants to pay for that!
I liked how they broke the 4th wall, both with Maestro at the beginning (with that lead in to the credits playing the theme on the piano - awesome) and then with the Doctor at the end.
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Post by MissGriss on May 13, 2024 1:59:32 GMT
Yeah. They for sure couldn’t afford the Beatles version of Trust and Shout, but there were other bands that recorded it that might cost less.
It was fun to have the theme songs played by characters at multiple points in the story. There’s a YouTube channel that I watch called WhoCulture, and the presenter is very much into the music in Doctor Who, so she was excited about that, too.
In this recap she talked about the difference between diagetic and non-diagetic music. Diegetic is music the characters can hear as part of their lived experience while non-diegetic music is the background music that only the audience can hear.
She thought it was very cool that what is usually non-diagetic became diagetic, but the even cooler thing was that at one point in the episode, the Doctor did some 4th wall breakage and said about some music that was playing, “I thought that was non-diagetic.” 🤯
Another thing she pointed out was that the guy playing the piano during the twist dance sequence is actually the guy who composes the music for Dr. Who, so he wrote all of those theme songs.
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Post by Kao on May 15, 2024 15:21:44 GMT
I really liked the premise of The Devil's Chord, but there was one thing about it that made my brain hurt. If the devil's chord got played back in the '20s releasing The Maestro to suck up all the music, and it happened in the same timeline as current reality, how did the Beatles happen in the first place? Wouldn't the whole dire 2024 scene that the Doctor showed her already be happening? Or were we supposed to believe that they'd somehow slipped into an alternate reality. It doesn't make sense. If I'd been writing it, I would have had the Maestro be someone who's timeline worked backwards and was changing history by sucking up the music retroactively. Am I just thinking too much? (What can I say--I'm a Virgo. LOL) On a different note. Get it? ![:rofl](//storage.proboards.com/6943657/images/AhCFSzWGQYvXzUAMXIlF.gif) It would have been fun if that final dance number had been done to Twist and Shout, since the Beatles did a version of it. I just watched "The Devil's Chord" last night and what I got from it is while the Maestro sucked away all music, the ability to create it was still there. It was suppressed, needing only a spark to ignite. This was evident in the Doctor's conversation with Paul where he said while he was only making those jingles to make money, sometimes in the dead of night he would imagine chords "never used before." When Millie played the song that she made for her friend on the rooftop it tapped into something innate in the people who were listening from their windows, in some cases "reminding" people of how to create it (ie: the old woman who obviously had lessons in her youth before the Maestro appeared). The Maestro couldn't have that, which is why she killed the old woman after she started playing her piano as well as targeting Millie. Ultimately Millie kinda won because whatever being made the Christmas carol that was playing and the snow emanate from Millie when the Maestro had her in its grasp was well beyond its paygrade, because it was frightened. The chords that the Doctor made to banish the Maestro were still clearly visible in the air above the piano even after it knocked the piano in the hall. enabling Paul (who had innate musical ability) to take a look and play the needed note. Does that make sense? [/div]
Anyways, I LOVED this episode, even more than the Spacebabies even (and I really enjoyed those babies, lol). Licensing for Beatles music costs a grip so I completely understand why they couldn't use Twist and Shout, but I loved the dance sequence at the end and the Maestro (Jinx Monsoon did a fantastic job) gave a major hint that A Big Bad is coming...and somehow it all ties in with Millie. This season is off to a great start!
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Post by Kao on May 21, 2024 22:42:46 GMT
"Boom"
This episode was a Steven Moffat special, and while I didn’t like him as a show runner I enjoyed his standalone Who episodes immensely (“Blink”, etc). “Boom” doesn't disappoint as it's a complete turnaround from the first two episodes and is both horrifying and suspenseful, and even though you know that the Doctor and Millie would be OK in the end the journey to get there…is something else.
He’s not gone….he’s just dead.
Yeah. This episode is going to stay with me a long time, in a good way.
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Post by MissGriss on May 22, 2024 2:38:48 GMT
I really liked it, too. Lots of suspense, and it was nice to see the relationship and dynamics between Ruby and The Doctor continue to grow.
It was interesting (and something to think about when it comes to life in general) to realize that there wasn’t an enemy and they’d basically been fighting themselves and their technology all along.
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