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Post by FannyMare on Feb 22, 2020 22:16:21 GMT
Third parties may now try to use the name and in a manner that is contradictory to their beliefs. It would've been wiser to allow them to keep it as a safeguard. I really doubt they will have success, as I said up thread, you cant be half a royal, and H& M made it clear they didn't want any part of that life So..
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Post by acookertv on Feb 23, 2020 1:25:49 GMT
If someone unrelated to the BRF uses the name Sussex Royal it’s a meaningless thing. If Harry and Meghan were to use it, it cheapens the brand of the monarchy. I don’t think the Queen is concerned about the untrademarked use of strangers. She cares about what her grandson does to the tradition she is charged with maintaining.
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Post by FireWoman on Feb 23, 2020 15:17:21 GMT
Third parties may now try to use the name and in a manner that is contradictory to their beliefs. It would've been wiser to allow them to keep it as a safeguard. Honestly at this point, I am not sure that anyone cares enough one way or the other now about them to bother with this. I know I am personally over them and their BS.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 23, 2020 16:14:19 GMT
Countless applications have already been submitted by third parties.
Meghan and Harry applied for trademark protection with the UK in June 2019. They filed for international protection six months later.
The Duke remains a Royal Prince and they will always be members of the Royal Family and the trademark was to be for their charitable organization. Now it appears they will be going with Sussex Global Charities.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 23, 2020 17:08:03 GMT
Yes, others have applied for the trademark but what does that mean for the BRF? If Joe Blow makes beer coozies with the Sussex Royal logo what difference does it make? There are gift shops all over London that cash in on the image of the Queen and BRF. That’s quite different than if William and Kate send George and Charlotte our selling BRF cookies with their silhouettes baked into shortbread.
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 23, 2020 18:00:27 GMT
Hmm, Sussex global charities.Well good luck, I'm not even sure what that means..lol. I don't think everything is going as they ( the two of them) planned, perhaps they should of given it all more thought..
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Post by AZChristian on Feb 23, 2020 18:10:01 GMT
How about Sussex Gofundme?
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Post by justCoz on Feb 23, 2020 18:31:45 GMT
How about Sussex Gofundme? It seems like that would be more honest!
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Post by babbred on Feb 24, 2020 13:21:14 GMT
It also sounds stupid because there are rules/laws in the UK. What would they do, be Sussex Royal everywhere but the UK? How would that even work for a website? It makes no sense to me. They are sounding more and more like children the further down this petulant road they go. The Queen might not be able to stop them from using "royal" anywhere but in the UK, but she could take away the Sussex titles! Then how would it look, if they were no longer the duke and duchess of Sussex, to keep on using that name? IMO they better be careful how far they push her. They have a year of transition. They haven't exactly been on best behavior for quite some time now. There are still titles and money that can be removed. Eta: I genuinely don't know how it works. I know the Queen can remove Meghan's HRH, but can she Harry's? He was born a royal. Meghan better be careful or she might get that HRH designation removed altogether and there will be even more similarities between her and Wallace, who was never given HRH, despite being the duchess of Windsor.
Excellent point. What the Queen giveth, the Queen can taketh away...That was the major sticking point during the abdication crisis. Edward hated his family for the rest of his life because Their Majesties would not give Wallace the HRH. (Not that I have any sympathy for Edward. Wallace told him that she would be content to be his mistress a la Charles and Camilla. It was Edward who deliberately blew up his kingship because he insisted on dragging Wallace into the RF.) That was also a big sticking point when Diana and Charles parted. I can't remember now whether the RF actually revoked Diana's HRH. I just know it was one of the major negotiating points in the divorce settlement.
So Harry and Megan had better be very careful. I can't believe Harry would disrespect his grandmother that way. He used to be my favorite royal, but he has fallen so much in my esteem.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 24, 2020 17:01:14 GMT
From their site:
As agreed and set out in January, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will retain their “HRH” prefix, thereby formally remaining known as His Royal Highness The Duke of Sussex and Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Sussex. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will no longer actively use their HRH titles as they will no longer be working members of the family as of Spring 2020.
As for the Sussex Global Charities site, it remains to be seen if that name is even associated with them; reports that it does have not been confirmed.
For being two kind people who want to do good in the world, they sure do get a lot of flak.
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Post by FannyMare on Feb 24, 2020 17:48:15 GMT
From their site: As agreed and set out in January, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will retain their “HRH” prefix, thereby formally remaining known as His Royal Highness The Duke of Sussex and Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Sussex. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will no longer actively use their HRH titles as they will no longer be working members of the family as of Spring 2020. As for the Sussex Global Charities site, it remains to be seen if that name is even associated with them; reports that it does have not been confirmed. For being two kind people who want to do good in the world, they sure do get a lot of flak. I think it's the way they went about. For two people wanting a very private life, they are sure in the media a lot..
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 24, 2020 18:33:37 GMT
I've been fairly sympathetic to them, but this latest pissy thing of saying essentially "the queen can't make us not use the word 'royal,' but we agree not to" is just rude, childish, and disrespectful! Not a fan of that kind of churlish behavior.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 24, 2020 20:20:14 GMT
Or you could view it as them explaining they were doing it solely out of respect for the Queen. In other words doing what pleases her is what is most important to us and that's what drove our decision.
I've been reading up on this quite a bit and they were in good legal standing.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 24, 2020 20:43:38 GMT
Or you could view it as them explaining they were doing it solely out of respect for the Queen. In other words doing what pleases her is what is most important to us and that's what drove our decision. I've been reading up on this quite a bit and they were in good legal standing. I don't think that any of the criticism they've faced has come from a standpoint of "they're breaking the law to do that!" It's been more along the lines of biting the hand that feeds them. The royal family had a very large role in raising Harry and gave him all the opportunities that have been afforded to him in life ... including being able to meet an American TV actress and fall in love. The royal family also made many exceptions to roll out the red carpet for Meghan - having her to their Christmas celebration before they were married, paying for her lavish wedding, the Queen taking her out for an engagement much earlier than she has other women who married into the family. To fail to show appreciation and respect to that kind of treatment may be legal, but that does not make it right.
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Post by betty80 on Feb 24, 2020 22:25:33 GMT
I've been fairly sympathetic to them, but this latest pissy thing of saying essentially "the queen can't make us not use the word 'royal,' but we agree not to" is just rude, childish, and disrespectful! Not a fan of that kind of churlish behavior. Me too. I was cheering for them, but now they annoy me and I want them to just be quiet and live privately.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 24, 2020 22:54:53 GMT
Or you could view it as them explaining they were doing it solely out of respect for the Queen. In other words doing what pleases her is what is most important to us and that's what drove our decision. I've been reading up on this quite a bit and they were in good legal standing. I don't think that any of the criticism they've faced has come from a standpoint of "they're breaking the law to do that!" It's been more along the lines of biting the hand that feeds them. The royal family had a very large role in raising Harry and gave him all the opportunities that have been afforded to him in life ... including being able to meet an American TV actress and fall in love. The royal family also made many exceptions to roll out the red carpet for Meghan - having her to their Christmas celebration before they were married, paying for her lavish wedding, the Queen taking her out for an engagement much earlier than she has other women who married into the family. To fail to show appreciation and respect to that kind of treatment may be legal, but that does not make it right. Because she probably was given the option to just have a small intimate wedding. After all we see how well everyone has taken the fact that she had a small intimate baptism for her son.
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Post by MissGriss on Feb 24, 2020 23:51:51 GMT
Or you could view it as them explaining they were doing it solely out of respect for the Queen. In other words doing what pleases her is what is most important to us and that's what drove our decision. I've been reading up on this quite a bit and they were in good legal standing. I really doubt that anyone was under the impression that the queen has any kind of special legal standing outside of The Commonwealth, so it was a bit of information that really wasn't necessary to convey. Instead, it came across as pointing out that she's not as powerful as she might think, but they'll humor her anyway. It felt very petty and disrespectful to me. And I can't imagine that it didn't seem that way too her, too.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 25, 2020 0:35:03 GMT
Yes, but then they were looking at a dual brand strategy which is very complicated.
There's folks on the net saying this was all Meghan, she's the one who wrote that particular line on the site, omg, poor woman can't catch a break. She'll never measure up. And here Kate was at an event recently talking about mommy guilt and that went totally unnoticed but when Meghan discussed how new mothers don't get asked often enough about how they're doing everyone went ballistic.
It's so terribly sad, if you ask me. I really do wish them peace.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 25, 2020 3:24:42 GMT
Meghan was not standing up for new moms saying they aren’t asked how they are often enough. She was talking about just herself. So it was quite different from Kate being honest about motherhood - the good and the challenging. Kate also said it on a podcast about motherhood ... not a documentary intended to put a focus on the struggles of poor African communities.
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Post by FireWoman on Feb 25, 2020 4:01:24 GMT
Meghan was not standing up for new moms saying they aren’t asked how they are often enough. She was talking about just herself. So it was quite different from Kate being honest about motherhood - the good and the challenging. Kate also said it on a podcast about motherhood ... not a documentary intended to put a focus on the struggles of poor African communities. Agree. Wholeheartedly.
EVERYTHING they are doing, one way or another, is about optics. Some good and some, more, bad. They have crap timing and they DO come off like petulant children. Harry has always had a bit of a wild streak, but he always brought it back home and in recent years stepped up to be a man his mother would be proud of royal or not. I think that much of their later behaviours are simply making them look bad. If you don't wanna be a royal, fine, don't be a royal there is no need to make it the spectacle of hypocrisy that it has become. Say what you want for better or worse about Meghan, she IS a driving force in all this. Yes Harry is an adult and can make up his own mind, but I highly doubt the moves made would have been made if he married Chelsy or Cressida. Edward is a royal as is his wife Sophie but they have a beautiful balance between family and royal duty, they have their own lives and do not reside in the public eye like other members of the family (even with their increased duties with the exit of Meghan and Harry).
So yes in the end, or wherever we are in this whole spicy disaster, I do wish them all peace and to just go away and live their private lives. However in order for that to happen they need to stop threatening suits over park photos, staging photo ops, and stop acting like ungrateful children. If they TRULY want to reinvent themselves they need to leave the media eye for a good bit of time and ease back in to the spotlight as the 'new people' they hope to become by leaving the BRF.
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Post by justCoz on Feb 25, 2020 7:03:59 GMT
I agree about the optics. They don't want royal duties, but want to use the word royal - all the privileges with none of the work. It just doesn't look good.
They say they still want to support the Queen but then turn around and throw shade at her. That's not a good look either.
IMO they just keep digging that hole they're sinking into deeper and deeper. In less than two years Harry went from being my favorite royal to off the favorite list.
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Post by acookertv on Feb 25, 2020 11:52:43 GMT
Meghan was not standing up for new moms saying they aren’t asked how they are often enough. She was talking about just herself. So it was quite different from Kate being honest about motherhood - the good and the challenging. Kate also said it on a podcast about motherhood ... not a documentary intended to put a focus on the struggles of poor African communities. Agree. Wholeheartedly.
EVERYTHING they are doing, one way or another, is about optics. Some good and some, more, bad. They have crap timing and they DO come off like petulant children. Harry has always had a bit of a wild streak, but he always brought it back home and in recent years stepped up to be a man his mother would be proud of royal or not. I think that much of their later behaviours are simply making them look bad. If you don't wanna be a royal, fine, don't be a royal there is no need to make it the spectacle of hypocrisy that it has become. Say what you want for better or worse about Meghan, she IS a driving force in all this. Yes Harry is an adult and can make up his own mind, but I highly doubt the moves made would have been made if he married Chelsy or Cressida. Edward is a royal as is his wife Sophie but they have a beautiful balance between family and royal duty, they have their own lives and do not reside in the public eye like other members of the family (even with their increased duties with the exit of Meghan and Harry).
So yes in the end, or wherever we are in this whole spicy disaster, I do wish them all peace and to just go away and live their private lives. However in order for that to happen they need to stop threatening suits over park photos, staging photo ops, and stop acting like ungrateful children. If they TRULY want to reinvent themselves they need to leave the media eye for a good bit of time and ease back in to the spotlight as the 'new people' they hope to become by leaving the BRF.
I agree with most of what you've said here, but Im not certain that Meghan can be declared as the driving force. She's no doubt a part of it at the very least and supportive of it. But Harry hinted at wanting to leave the family before he'd ever met Meghan. So I do wonder if he didn't see some of her appeal being that she could lead a way out and fulfill that dream of his. She had enough in common with Wallis Simpson, and Harry knew his family history. So while I agree that a lot of this has Meghan's finger prints on it, I think the jury is still out on whether she's dragging Harry along, or if Harry met her and thought finally he'd found his bus out of the palace.
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Post by Cuddles on Feb 25, 2020 13:12:14 GMT
Meghan was not standing up for new moms saying they aren’t asked how they are often enough. She was talking about just herself. So it was quite different from Kate being honest about motherhood - the good and the challenging. Kate also said it on a podcast about motherhood ... not a documentary intended to put a focus on the struggles of poor African communities. New moms and women everywhere are thanking Duchess Meghan for saying she's not OKIt's OK to not be OK. Duchess Meghan's interview heard around the world resonated with new moms everywhere for one simple reason – no one asks if they're OK. A clip from ITV News has gone viral because of the duchess' emotional response to anchor Tom Bradby asking her how she was doing under media scrutiny since becoming a mother. Bradby was interviewing Markle for a documentary about her and her royal husband, Prince Harry. "Thank you for asking, because not many people have asked if I'm OK, but it's a very real thing to be going through behind the scenes," Duchess Meghan said. Earlier this month, Prince Harry issued an open letter denouncing the coverage of his wife. "Unfortunately, my wife has become one of the latest victims of a British tabloid press that wages campaigns against individuals with no thought to the consequences – a ruthless campaign that has escalated over the past year, throughout her pregnancy and while raising our newborn son," he wrote in a statement. In "Harry and Meghan: An African Journey," the duchess spoke out about how challenging it is to be pregnant and dealing with the fierce and often critical media spotlight. " Any woman, especially when they're pregnant, you're really vulnerable, so that was made really challenging and then when you have a newborn..." the new mom said. "Especially as a woman, it's really – it's a lot. So you add this on top of just trying to be a new mom or trying to be a newlywed." Bradby follows up asking, "Would it be fair to say not really OK? As in it's really been a struggle?" "Yes," Duchess Meghan answers in brutal honesty. Her raw and emotional response to Bradby's questions hit home for a lot of women dealing with the stress of either being pregnant or caring for a newborn, or just generally facing life's struggles."I just want to thank Meghan Markle for saying she's not OK instead of some fluffy PR response," wrote Ashley Simpo on Twitter. "The idea that women can do it all, mothers are superheroes and parenthood is obvious are hurtful, ignorant and damaging to women. We're not OK. Millennial parenthood is (expletive) hard." People appreciated the Duchess' very real answer in letting the world know that she was struggling to cope with everything. "Even princesses know it is hard. I love this. This would help so many people feel ok about the struggle of it all," one person responded in the comments section of the clip. Katie Couric chimed in as well praising Duchess Meghan's honesty. "I so admire #MeghanMarkle for being honest, open and vulnerable about the struggles she’s faced as a new mother and very public figure," tweeted Couric. USA Today article
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Post by acookertv on Feb 25, 2020 15:01:35 GMT
Meghan was not standing up for new moms saying they aren’t asked how they are often enough. She was talking about just herself. So it was quite different from Kate being honest about motherhood - the good and the challenging. Kate also said it on a podcast about motherhood ... not a documentary intended to put a focus on the struggles of poor African communities. New moms and women everywhere are thanking Duchess Meghan for saying she's not OKIt's OK to not be OK. Duchess Meghan's interview heard around the world resonated with new moms everywhere for one simple reason – no one asks if they're OK. A clip from ITV News has gone viral because of the duchess' emotional response to anchor Tom Bradby asking her how she was doing under media scrutiny since becoming a mother. Bradby was interviewing Markle for a documentary about her and her royal husband, Prince Harry. "Thank you for asking, because not many people have asked if I'm OK, but it's a very real thing to be going through behind the scenes," Duchess Meghan said. Earlier this month, Prince Harry issued an open letter denouncing the coverage of his wife. "Unfortunately, my wife has become one of the latest victims of a British tabloid press that wages campaigns against individuals with no thought to the consequences – a ruthless campaign that has escalated over the past year, throughout her pregnancy and while raising our newborn son," he wrote in a statement. In "Harry and Meghan: An African Journey," the duchess spoke out about how challenging it is to be pregnant and dealing with the fierce and often critical media spotlight. " Any woman, especially when they're pregnant, you're really vulnerable, so that was made really challenging and then when you have a newborn..." the new mom said. "Especially as a woman, it's really – it's a lot. So you add this on top of just trying to be a new mom or trying to be a newlywed." Bradby follows up asking, "Would it be fair to say not really OK? As in it's really been a struggle?" "Yes," Duchess Meghan answers in brutal honesty. Her raw and emotional response to Bradby's questions hit home for a lot of women dealing with the stress of either being pregnant or caring for a newborn, or just generally facing life's struggles."I just want to thank Meghan Markle for saying she's not OK instead of some fluffy PR response," wrote Ashley Simpo on Twitter. "The idea that women can do it all, mothers are superheroes and parenthood is obvious are hurtful, ignorant and damaging to women. We're not OK. Millennial parenthood is (expletive) hard." People appreciated the Duchess' very real answer in letting the world know that she was struggling to cope with everything. "Even princesses know it is hard. I love this. This would help so many people feel ok about the struggle of it all," one person responded in the comments section of the clip. Katie Couric chimed in as well praising Duchess Meghan's honesty. "I so admire #MeghanMarkle for being honest, open and vulnerable about the struggles she’s faced as a new mother and very public figure," tweeted Couric. USA Today articleThat's an opinion piece where someone projected the motivation on her. There has been a noble effort to cast the two of them as victims of a burdensome and unrelenting media. I don't buy into that marketing campaign. The article does nothing to correct the fact that when she gave the answer, she did not mention motherhood and general. More importantly, it does not correct the fact that she made the comment during a documentary that was intended to bring attention to the African people, and instead she made it about herself. I recognize that not everyone sees her actions in that interview in the same way I do, and I'm okay with that.
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Post by justCoz on Feb 25, 2020 17:52:11 GMT
Yes, that is definitely an opinion piece.
Of course people/reporters were not asking her how she was doing. She was supposedly there to promote the African charities. If she expected them to ask her how she was doing, she was being self-indulgent at the very least.
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Post by Kao on Feb 25, 2020 21:59:53 GMT
Agree. Wholeheartedly.
EVERYTHING they are doing, one way or another, is about optics. Some good and some, more, bad. They have crap timing and they DO come off like petulant children. Harry has always had a bit of a wild streak, but he always brought it back home and in recent years stepped up to be a man his mother would be proud of royal or not. I think that much of their later behaviours are simply making them look bad. If you don't wanna be a royal, fine, don't be a royal there is no need to make it the spectacle of hypocrisy that it has become. Say what you want for better or worse about Meghan, she IS a driving force in all this. Yes Harry is an adult and can make up his own mind, but I highly doubt the moves made would have been made if he married Chelsy or Cressida. Edward is a royal as is his wife Sophie but they have a beautiful balance between family and royal duty, they have their own lives and do not reside in the public eye like other members of the family (even with their increased duties with the exit of Meghan and Harry).
So yes in the end, or wherever we are in this whole spicy disaster, I do wish them all peace and to just go away and live their private lives. However in order for that to happen they need to stop threatening suits over park photos, staging photo ops, and stop acting like ungrateful children. If they TRULY want to reinvent themselves they need to leave the media eye for a good bit of time and ease back in to the spotlight as the 'new people' they hope to become by leaving the BRF.
I agree with most of what you've said here, but Im not certain that Meghan can be declared as the driving force. She's no doubt a part of it at the very least and supportive of it. But Harry hinted at wanting to leave the family before he'd ever met Meghan. So I do wonder if he didn't see some of her appeal being that she could lead a way out and fulfill that dream of his. She had enough in common with Wallis Simpson, and Harry knew his family history. So while I agree that a lot of this has Meghan's finger prints on it, I think the jury is still out on whether she's dragging Harry along, or if Harry met her and thought finally he'd found his bus out of the palace.Thank you very much for saying this because so many places (especially the British tabs) are really getting in the overtime with the "Everything is Meghan's fault!" stories and completely woobifying Harry like he has no say in anything and Meghan just drags him around by the nose, when the truth is they complement each other and have the same goals. I just wish they would get it together because right now they are more than a bit messy.
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Post by AZChristian on Feb 26, 2020 14:55:22 GMT
When someone in Britain is referred to as "just Harry," I assume it's Harry Potter.
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Post by FireWoman on Feb 26, 2020 23:03:40 GMT
When someone in Britain is referred to as "just Harry," I assume it's Harry Potter. Ok I laughed at that, lol. But I laughed more when the story called him "Meghan's Husband."
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Post by AZChristian on Mar 2, 2020 16:11:59 GMT
Oooooh . . . looking for a rule as a Superhero! It's Super Bitch!!!
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Post by betty80 on Mar 2, 2020 17:47:51 GMT
Oooooh . . . looking for a rule as a Superhero! It's Super Bitch!!! I don't think she needs to be called that name.
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