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Post by acookertv on May 4, 2020 12:57:15 GMT
I think the biggest reason for criticism over Meghan and Harry doing the deliveries they did was that it was perceived to highlight hypocrisy between what they've SAID about leaving public life vs what appears to be true. There's a high probability that for the pictures to have been taken when they were out doing it, photographers were tipped off as to where they would be. Nothing wrong with that - but it contradicts Harry saying that he's traumatized every time he hears cameras snapping. It seems hypocritical that they'd say they want a private life, but then seek publicity when they are out doing acts of service.
On the flip side, it's rather common and expected that when senior royals are out serving that the press goes along and shares that news. So when Kate and family are doing that work, it's part of the service that it will be covered ... Meghan and Harry claimed that they were walking away from those publicity aspects.
The rap against Harry and Meghan is that they want all the perks of royalty without any of the responsibility. Right now, when they behave in a way that affirms that perception, they are going to get slammed for it.
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Post by babbred on May 4, 2020 15:20:07 GMT
Love that top photo of her with the determined look on her face. If she weren't royal she'd be a Cabinet Minister.
And the article said that Kate and the kids went to deliver meals to pensioners (elderly people). I know there was a dust-up when Harry and his family did kind of the same thing. I understand the complaints about security working on a holiday, etc. However, I am a nice person so I will give Megan the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, even if the execution went wrong. I'm glad that both couples are showing their kids firsthand that there are people less fortunate than them. Whatever her failings, Diana did a great job of raising her sons.
I never understood the dust-up. Security has to work, holiday or not. It's a 365 days/yr job. Additionally, if Meghan & Harry weren't out there delivering, other volunteers would have been, so it was a kind thing for them to do, all around. These boys are both doing a marvelous job keeping in step with their mother's beliefs and wishes.
That's a good point. When the President is overseeing the White House Easter Egg Hunt, it's not like the Secret Service gets to take a break.
So glad Charlotte was wearing houndstooth in that photo. I love that pattern. I have a houndstooth blouse in my closet that I love.
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Post by momrek06 on May 4, 2020 15:21:56 GMT
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE VERY SWEET CHARLOTTE!!!
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Post by Kao on May 4, 2020 22:33:33 GMT
Love that top photo of her with the determined look on her face. If she weren't royal she'd be a Cabinet Minister.
And the article said that Kate and the kids went to deliver meals to pensioners (elderly people). I know there was a dust-up when Harry and his family did kind of the same thing. I understand the complaints about security working on a holiday, etc. However, I am a nice person so I will give Megan the benefit of the doubt that her heart was in the right place, even if the execution went wrong. I'm glad that both couples are showing their kids firsthand that there are people less fortunate than them. Whatever her failings, Diana did a great job of raising her sons.
I never understood the dust-up. Security has to work, holiday or not. It's a 365 days/yr job. Additionally, if Meghan & Harry weren't out there delivering, other volunteers would have been, so it was a kind thing for them to do, all around. These boys are both doing a marvelous job keeping in step with their mother's beliefs and wishes. Plus Meghan's mom Doria does a ton of charity work so it's something she literally grew up with. Children who grow up with the notion of giving back often do. I honestly think that with certain people they are at "B**** eating crackers" level of annoyance with them, so they can literally do anything at this point and get criticized for it.
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Post by FannyMare on May 4, 2020 22:55:26 GMT
Well , they have a tell all book coming out soon, I think I'll pass. I've had just about enough of the pair of them. I've only ever wished them happiness, lets hope the book isn't a poor us book.
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Post by acookertv on May 5, 2020 0:22:05 GMT
The book is another great example of the hypocrisy of their cries for privacy. They don’t want privacy - they want a lack of criticism. Truly private people would not care about gettting their story out there. They’d accept that bad things are said and live quietly not addressing that. Cooperating with the book says they want the story out there. They just want to control what is said. It’s not a realistic expectation.
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Post by MissGriss on May 5, 2020 1:21:03 GMT
Isn't the book a biography written by some royal reporters who are fairly sympathetic to them? I haven't paid much attention, but did Harry and Meghan colaborate with them in some way on the book?
As for the photographers being at the Easter food delivery, I assumed that the point of the pictures and stories about it were as much to give publicity to the charity as to the Sussexes.
I get that it seems hypocritical to say you want a private life and then do public things, but if you have celebrity, for whatever reason, using it to promote good causes seems like a good thing to me. (And I'm not saying that as a huge fan. I've gotten somewhat tired of them, but I support their efforts to do good.)
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Post by acookertv on May 5, 2020 1:27:25 GMT
They’ve been interviewed for the book. So as you said it’s journalists who are favorable towards them, with input from them. It’s a calculated move - not people digging in whether they like it or not.
I see what you’re saying about them bringing attention to Meals on Wheels. But if the idea is to do charitable work in front of photographers, why leave their royal roles? That’s like saying you are quitting a job at McDonald’s because you hate the smell of fries and then making your next job working at Wendy’s.
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Post by Critical on May 5, 2020 1:41:38 GMT
All of Meghan's fussing about the press reminds me of so many others who were desperate to be famous, but then took issue with how they were portrayed in the media. Sorry, you don't get to dictate how people perceive you and you can't control the FREE press. Meghan seems to think she's smarter than everyone else and maybe she has Harry snowed, but she's NOT smarter than the Queen.
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Post by Kao on May 5, 2020 4:51:49 GMT
The book is another great example of the hypocrisy of their cries for privacy. They don’t want privacy - they want a lack of criticism. Truly private people would not care about gettting their story out there. They’d accept that bad things are said and live quietly not addressing that. Cooperating with the book says they want the story out there. They just want to control what is said. It’s not a realistic expectation. Except they have absolutely nothing to do with the book and it's written by some "royal watcher" that didn't interview them or anyone else in their inner circle (Doria, William, etc) for it? Don't blame them for things that aren't their fault.
Notice the language has changed from "we interviewed them" to "alleged interviews."
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Post by FannyMare on May 5, 2020 5:35:21 GMT
The book is another great example of the hypocrisy of their cries for privacy. They don’t want privacy - they want a lack of criticism. Truly private people would not care about gettting their story out there. They’d accept that bad things are said and live quietly not addressing that. Cooperating with the book says they want the story out there. They just want to control what is said. It’s not a realistic expectation. Except they have absolutely nothing to do with the book and it's written by some "royal watcher" that didn't interview them or anyone else in their inner circle (Doria, William, etc) for it? Don't blame them for things that aren't their fault.
Notice the language has changed from "we interviewed them" to "alleged interviews."
So they didn't speak to the authors before they left the UK.Hmm, okay..
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Post by MissGriss on May 5, 2020 5:41:25 GMT
From that article, Kao, it looks like the title is being revised, too. Interesting!
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Post by acookertv on May 5, 2020 10:54:24 GMT
The book is another great example of the hypocrisy of their cries for privacy. They don’t want privacy - they want a lack of criticism. Truly private people would not care about gettting their story out there. They’d accept that bad things are said and live quietly not addressing that. Cooperating with the book says they want the story out there. They just want to control what is said. It’s not a realistic expectation. Except they have absolutely nothing to do with the book and it's written by some "royal watcher" that didn't interview them or anyone else in their inner circle (Doria, William, etc) for it? Don't blame them for things that aren't their fault. Notice the language has changed from "we interviewed them" to "alleged interviews."
Alleged interviews means they are now denying they participated - not that there is confirmation that they participated. Remember, Diana denied having anything to do with the Andrew Morton book ... then later it came out that they had a covert way for him to send her questions and her to send him answers without ever meeting. So after the criticism, they changed the story to deny participation - that's not nearly the same as not participating. Again, it adds to the having their cake, eating it too, and then complaining they wanted a different flavor after eating it all.
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Post by babbred on May 5, 2020 16:28:15 GMT
Isn't the book a biography written by some royal reporters who are fairly sympathetic to them? I haven't paid much attention, but did Harry and Meghan colaborate with them in some way on the book? As for the photographers being at the Easter food delivery, I assumed that the point of the pictures and stories about it were as much to give publicity to the charity as to the Sussexes. I get that it seems hypocritical to say you want a private life and then do public things, but if you have celebrity, for whatever reason, using it to promote good causes seems like a good thing to me. (And I'm not saying that as a huge fan. I've gotten somewhat tired of them, but I support their efforts to do good.)
For me, it will just depend on what's in the book. If it's just a puff piece about how they met and got married, then whatever. Just as long as they give away most of the proceeds. If it's some literary hit piece like Diana's Morton book, then they will lose all sympathy for me forever.
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Post by FannyMare on May 5, 2020 16:39:06 GMT
Isn't the book a biography written by some royal reporters who are fairly sympathetic to them? I haven't paid much attention, but did Harry and Meghan colaborate with them in some way on the book? As for the photographers being at the Easter food delivery, I assumed that the point of the pictures and stories about it were as much to give publicity to the charity as to the Sussexes. I get that it seems hypocritical to say you want a private life and then do public things, but if you have celebrity, for whatever reason, using it to promote good causes seems like a good thing to me. (And I'm not saying that as a huge fan. I've gotten somewhat tired of them, but I support their efforts to do good.)
For me, it will just depend on what's in the book. If it's just a puff piece about how they met and got married, then whatever. Just as long as they give away most of the proceeds. If it's some literary hit piece like Diana's Morton book, then they will lose all sympathy for me forever.
Yes, that's pretty much how I feel. A book was mentioned ages ago, I'd forgotten about it.I won't know what's in it, I have enough really good books to read.
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Post by Kao on May 5, 2020 20:43:34 GMT
Except they have absolutely nothing to do with the book and it's written by some "royal watcher" that didn't interview them or anyone else in their inner circle (Doria, William, etc) for it? Don't blame them for things that aren't their fault. Notice the language has changed from "we interviewed them" to "alleged interviews."
Alleged interviews means they are now denying they participated - not that there is confirmation that they participated. Remember, Diana denied having anything to do with the Andrew Morton book ... then later it came out that they had a covert way for him to send her questions and her to send him answers without ever meeting. So after the criticism, they changed the story to deny participation - that's not nearly the same as not participating. Again, it adds to the having their cake, eating it too, and then complaining they wanted a different flavor after eating it all. Except at this point there's assumptions being made that they participated. If in the future that turns out to be true I'll eat my hat, but in the meantime I'm not going to villianize them over something that might not be true, especially since they are denying it.
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Post by FannyMare on May 6, 2020 13:08:13 GMT
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Post by Kao on May 6, 2020 15:14:33 GMT
Such adorable pictures of Meghan reading to Archie in honor os SAVEWITHSTORIES, a children's charity!
The Queen, Prince Charles, and William and Kate wished Archie a happy birthday on their respective Instagrams as well. The picture on the official Royal Instagram with the Queen, Doria, Prince Charles, Harry and Meghan was a really nice choice. The Queen looks absolutely delighted with Archie. He's her 8th great-grandchild too.
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Post by Cuddles on May 6, 2020 15:27:17 GMT
The normalcy of that video is heartwarming and confirming. Thanks for sharing, FM! Kao, I also love that photo of the Queen meeting Archie. She looks little boy grandmotherly in her powder blue sweater. You just know there's a tissue stuffed up in one of those sleeves.
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Post by acookertv on May 6, 2020 15:30:24 GMT
I felt a little bad for Meghan in the video trying to take care of Archie while at the same time keeping the book going for the video. She juggled it well!
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Post by FannyMare on May 6, 2020 15:56:36 GMT
The normalcy of that video is heartwarming and confirming. Thanks for sharing, FM! Kao, I also love that photo of the Queen meeting Archie. She looks little boy grandmotherly in her powder blue sweater. You just know there's a tissue stuffed up in one of those sleeves. He's a big boy isn't he, healthy and happy..
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Post by momrek06 on May 6, 2020 17:14:41 GMT
HAPPY 1st BIRTHDAY BABY ARCHIE!!!
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Post by momrek06 on May 6, 2020 17:19:57 GMT
I felt a little bad for Meghan in the video trying to take care of Archie while at the same time keeping the book going for the video. She juggled it well! Ohhhh acookertv ... no worries. I have THREE PRINCESSES.....4yo, 14 months and 4 months and I am going to guess that Meghan mastered juggling by the time Archie was a month old!!! If that was my DIL, along with the Baby and the Books would also be their PUPPY!!!
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Post by acookertv on May 6, 2020 17:49:23 GMT
I didn't say she wasn't able to juggle it - I said the opposite actually! But to be reading to an audience on a video and being mindful of him is a lot. There's a reason so many actors say to avoid working with kids.
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Post by Cuddles on May 6, 2020 18:06:21 GMT
But Meghan wasn't acting. That's the normalcy that I found both heartwarming and confirming.
She was doing her mom thing and Archie was doing his toddler thing. It was genuine and sweet - true to what we all remember experiencing with our own children, and what we are currently experiencing with our grandchildren!
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Post by momrek06 on May 6, 2020 18:15:19 GMT
I didn't say she wasn't able to juggle it - I said the opposite actually! But to be reading to an audience on a video and being mindful of him is a lot. There's a reason so many actors say to avoid working with kids. acookertv .... naaaaaa. With FT today, the millennials have that mastered. Zoom, FT, Skype, you name it. Large audience, small audience, does not matter. My SoCAL DIL would have two on her lap, one (4yo) wanting to read the book (as she has it memorized) and the other one (4 months) wanting to turn the pages and pull off DIL's glasses at the same time. #MomLIFE (my DIL has a baseball hat she wears with those words on it all in sparkly colors)!!!
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Post by momrek06 on May 6, 2020 18:17:06 GMT
But Meghan wasn't acting. That's the normalcy that I found both heartwarming and confirming. She was doing her mom thing and Archie was doing his toddler thing. It was genuine and sweet - true to what we all remember experiencing with our own children, and what we are currently experiencing with our grandchildren! Exactly Cuddles ....... I loved the video because Meghan was being a MOM. Not an actress. A MOM whose first baby turned ONE YEAR OLD. EXCITING.
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Post by acookertv on May 6, 2020 18:24:03 GMT
I didn't say she wasn't able to juggle it - I said the opposite actually! But to be reading to an audience on a video and being mindful of him is a lot. There's a reason so many actors say to avoid working with kids. acookertv .... naaaaaa. With FT today, the millennials have that mastered. Zoom, FT, Skype, you name it. Large audience, small audience, does not matter. My SoCAL DIL would have two on her lap, one (4yo) wanting to read the book (as she has it memorized) and the other one (4 months) wanting to turn the pages and pull off DIL's glasses at the same time. #MomLIFE (my DIL has a baseball hat she wears with those words on it all in sparkly colors)!!! My opinion is my opinion. You don't have to agree with it and i'm totally cool with you expressing disagreement. But dismissing it is rather rude. Especially when I was trying to say something nice. Geez.
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Post by momrek06 on May 6, 2020 19:06:04 GMT
acookertv .... naaaaaa. With FT today, the millennials have that mastered. Zoom, FT, Skype, you name it. Large audience, small audience, does not matter. My SoCAL DIL would have two on her lap, one (4yo) wanting to read the book (as she has it memorized) and the other one (4 months) wanting to turn the pages and pull off DIL's glasses at the same time. #MomLIFE (my DIL has a baseball hat she wears with those words on it all in sparkly colors)!!! My opinion is my opinion. You don't have to agree with it and i'm totally cool with you expressing disagreement. But dismissing it is rather rude. Especially when I was trying to say something nice. Geez. I will take the high road and move on from this thread. I will not lower myself to calling posters names. That just is not me.
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Post by Arielflies on May 6, 2020 19:24:31 GMT
I thought it said Harry was the videographer (safe at home). I thought all did a good job and keeping Archie from displaying his movement on the carpet skills. He is such a big boy, I bet he is close to walking.
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