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Post by Arielflies on Mar 10, 2021 5:38:52 GMT
I keep thinking that a lot of the drama (post wedding) was when she was pregnant. Hormone swings, anyone? Not an excuse, but along with everything else could lead to her deep depression.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 10, 2021 6:16:35 GMT
I keep thinking that a lot of the drama (post wedding) was when she was pregnant. Hormone swings, anyone? Not an excuse, but along with everything else could lead to her deep depression. I do as well. When Harry said she was feeding Archie and crying, I thought of post partum depression. I wish he'd taken control and made sure she was okay. She didn't need to go through this alone, and it sounds very much like she did..if he did help, I never heard them say that.
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Post by dagwood on Mar 11, 2021 0:00:15 GMT
I keep thinking that a lot of the drama (post wedding) was when she was pregnant. Hormone swings, anyone? Not an excuse, but along with everything else could lead to her deep depression. I do as well. When Harry said she was feeding Archie and crying, I thought of post partum depression. I wish he'd taken control and made sure she was okay. She didn't need to go through this alone, and it sounds very much like she did..if he did help, I never heard them say that. PPD came to my mind as well.
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Post by justCoz on Mar 11, 2021 15:52:02 GMT
I didn't watch the interview. I lost a lot of respect for them after the wedding. Harry used to be my favorite and I was super happy for them but they started doing things that I just couldn't buy into. I don't think it's great they were telling everybody to watch their carbon footprint but then used private jets. They meant for other people to do that, not them. Harry made his senseless proclamation about only having two children because it's better for the planet but I always felt it was a public dig at his brother. Meghan started saying she wanted to update the monarchy - who asked her too? That sounds to me like she's saying "I know I just married into this family but let me tell you what you're doing wrong." Of course people inside that family won't take that great.
I have seen a few snippets of the interview and just from those brief moments I'm not as shocked or appalled as they and Oprah would like me to be. Why did Harry think his son would be getting the title of prince? Or was it just Meghan? It doesn't matter, it was a ridiculous thought. If I know that normally the only great-grandchild in direct line of succession is the one to get that title and they made a big deal when Charlotte was born that she and then subsequently Louis were to be called princess/prince by a special order then the two of them should have known it too. There was no chance Archie would be called prince, he's not eligible to. Why either of them would even begin to think that would happen is beyond me. Even some of the queen's grandchildren don't have that title so no chance for a great-grandchild who's not William's kids. When Prince Charles becomes king, long live the Queen, then Archie would be eligible for that title. I doubt he'd change that though. He's long wanted to minimize the senior royals. I don't think he loves how many of his mom's cousins are called prince/princess and supported by the crown, so why would he want to give future king George's cousins that title?
I believe it's possible she may have been suicidal but I don't know if I believe her. It's probably bad to say I have my doubts because her words are like she watched Diana's interview and decided to piggyback on Diana's problems, like the family not welcoming her and not helping her fit in. I'm sorry, no one should have to tell her to curtsey to HM. If anyone needs to, why isn't Harry doing that. It's not like with Charles and Diana. If H&M are so in love why isn't he helping her more? That's who I expect to help her, not all the other family members or staff they keep throwing under the bus. Why didn't she ask him for help getting a mental health professional? I don't know why she would ask anyone but him for help with that. He's the one with the foundation and going around talking about the need for it. Presumably he can give her the name of his current or former therapist. Presumably he knows someone or has access to someone who could give him a name if that person isn't right. It doesn't seem to me that anyone else should be expected to know. Why would people in their employ or HR be in charge of helping with that?
I also don't know why Harry expects his dad to keep giving him money if he's not willing to do the work other family members are doing. No, you can't do service for the British people in America. You may find ways to help other people, but that's not the same thing at all. There was a big uproar over just the security when they moved to Canada from the British people. Charles has an obligation to use any money coming from them in a wise manner. Supporting a free-loading multimillionaire 35+ year old son is probably not on his list. It's long been said that Charles wants the monarchy to only support a few main people. If he doesn't really want to support his mother's cousins who do live in England and do the charity work, or didn't want to give his nieces money and wants them to support themselves then it seems a sure bet he wouldn't want to keep giving money to someone who doesn't even live there.
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Post by ibot2much on Mar 11, 2021 16:06:54 GMT
I agree with you about a woman in her 30s saying that her knowledge of the royal family was so limited....as an actress I would expect that she had researched roles she played and this was the biggest role of her life. I also thought that she may have been hoping to be the next Princess Di.....
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Post by FireWoman on Mar 12, 2021 22:24:42 GMT
I agree with you about a woman in her 30s saying that her knowledge of the royal family was so limited....as an actress I would expect that she had researched roles she played and this was the biggest role of her life. I also thought that she may have been hoping to be the next Princess Di..... I agree here, there are photos of her outside Buckingham Palace as a teen, she even said that Eugenie was a friend of hers, and frankly unless you live under a rock.. at her age she had to have more than just SOME knowledge of who the BRF was and Harry was in the news a lot more than most of them growing up. Her "this was not something we talked about" or whatever the line was BS to me.. yeah ALL Americans sit around the breakfast table on Sunday mornings talking about the BRF (hard eye roll here). I do not buy the naïveté put on by a Northwestern graduate, she is not that dumb. I lost respect for both of them for thinking the public would buy that she is.
As for her thoughts of suicide, now do not get me wrong I would NEVER make light of such a serious subject.. ever... but they way she talked about it you would have to question (as she was pregnant at the time) how her physician noticed none of her mental decline, none of her depression, none of her emotional issues. When someone WANTS to hide it they can... but it isn't like she presented it as something she wanted to hide as she said she asked for help and was denied. Depression around and after pregnancy can be a bitch, I know.. I have been there... and it is not uncommon. Any well trained physician, especially an OB, would be able to pick up on some of it and know how to treat it. Now I can absolutely see how the Firm may want to keep something like that under wraps and in house but I cannot fathom anyone would want to do her, or her unborn child, harm by not allowing for proper treatment. I think she took what was a real situation and twisted it to make her look more the victim.
I also agree with justCoz in respect to the paternal support. Harry had 12 million from his mom, Meghan had her money too and it was not like she came into this marriage a pauper.
In the end,I feel bad for everyone.. mostly Archie because to me it looks like they are using him as some sort of pawn in all this. That is to me the saddest part of all this.
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 14, 2021 10:12:05 GMT
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 14, 2021 14:37:15 GMT
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Post by Arielflies on Mar 14, 2021 16:42:45 GMT
Charlie Hebdo is the radical left French magazine that was targeted with a mass shooting in Paris a few years ago. Can't be fired; though disgusting the cartoon is right on brand.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 14, 2021 16:57:27 GMT
I rarely read comments under articles because people can get so crude, but I thought this one was on point, "There is a big difference between satire and tasteless racist "jokes" at the expense of dead people."
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Post by Kao on Mar 14, 2021 18:50:52 GMT
I haven't been reading the comments in this thread lately because I have not seen the special yet, but have often wondered why Piers Morgan has been obsessed with Meghan to the point that he tweeted about her an estimated 300 times in one week and had her dad on his show to threaten her so much. Came across this tidbit after he walked off of his show after his cohost finally got tired of his BS and called him out after he said Meghan was lying about feeling suicidal, and it explains so much. Hell hath no fury like a man scorned. I think all women have been in this position, unfortunately Piers is in a place where he has a public forum where he can (and has) harassed someone from for years in the name of "news": jessica.substack.com/p/hell-hath-no-fury-like-a-man-rejected?fbclid=IwAR3tTxzLZBHVXkhWPz1Sdkp2zqufvGCjpKftEqzmaYaysvE0YM4esOfHhFsAlso, his show had thousands of complaints after he made his false claims and depending on which source you believe he was either fired or quit. He is a grimy, small, disgusting man who I would not feel bad to see the back of. Unfortunately, s***t has a tendency to float upwards, and there's going to be a new conservative channel in the U.K. soon which I'm sure he'll get a job at with no problems.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 14, 2021 18:56:16 GMT
Piers has never liked Meghan, he truly believes she's a social climber who uses people. I guess their popularity in the UK is way down, good luck Harry, methinks you're going to need it.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 14, 2021 18:57:36 GMT
And that grimy man was defended by Sharon Osbourne... which led to an on-air fallout with Sheryl Underwood... which is now being investigated by CBS.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 14, 2021 19:31:16 GMT
And that grimy man was defended by Sharon Osbourne... which led to an on-air fallout with Sheryl Underwood... which is now being investigated by CBS. She defended his right to speak( not what he said) . He is paid to give his opinion just like The View or the Talk..
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 14, 2021 19:49:36 GMT
It’s complicated but when you think about it not a whole lot different than Chris Harrison defending and/or giving the benefit of the doubt to Rachael Kirkconnell. Chris and Sharon have issued similar apologizes, too.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Mar 14, 2021 22:49:23 GMT
And that grimy man was defended by Sharon Osbourne... which led to an on-air fallout with Sheryl Underwood... which is now being investigated by CBS. She defended his right to speak( not what he said) . He is paid to give his opinion just like The View or the Talk.. I found it quite telling that the whole tone of the Oprah interview seemed to reflect that everyone else had done this or that to Meghan. I agree, Fanny. Sharon defended Piers' right to not only speak, but his opinion. It's sad this world can't even give differing opinions anymore without being ostracized.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 15, 2021 2:21:56 GMT
It’s complicated but when you think about it not a whole lot different than Chris Harrison defending and/or giving the benefit of the doubt to Rachael Kirkconnell. Chris and Sharon have issued similar apologizes, too. I think there’s a very significant difference in the two stories. Sharon and Sheryl are paid to express their opinions. Chris is paid to host a show which requires him to exhibit empathy and understanding to the participants. Sharon and Sheryl did what they are paid for. In his comments, Chris displayed an inability to do what he’s paid for.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 15, 2021 16:36:14 GMT
It’s complicated but when you think about it not a whole lot different than Chris Harrison defending and/or giving the benefit of the doubt to Rachael Kirkconnell. Chris and Sharon have issued similar apologizes, too. I think there’s a very significant difference in the two stories. Sharon and Sheryl are paid to express their opinions. Chris is paid to host a show which requires him to exhibit empathy and understanding to the participants. Sharon and Sheryl did what they are paid for. In his comments, Chris displayed an inability to do what he’s paid for. I think we're all required to exhibit empathy. No one should have a free pass. angelic said that it's sad that we can't give differing opinions without being ostracized. I believe that is true, if when expressing those opinions one can be empathetic. Sheryl was attempting to encourage Sharon to see that her words could be viewed as lacking empathy to some, but Sharon, in her word "panicked," and instead got sarcastic and told Sheryl she dare not cry, etc. That really changed the course of the conversation. I don't have a horse in this race but I do know that an elderly Asian-American woman was punched and spat on in NYC and so this country has got to get its **** together. If it has to be one person at a time in order to get there, then maybe that's what we have to do because truthfully, I see no other way to getting back to a more kinder society other than by calling people out when their words lack empathy.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 15, 2021 16:38:11 GMT
Pippa's daughter was born; she's been named Grace Elizabeth Jane. Very pretty!
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 15, 2021 17:18:03 GMT
I didn't realise this was Pippa's second child, I agree cuddles, it is a pretty name. I haven't heard much news about the duke of Edinburgh I guess after heart surgery, he's still resting.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Mar 15, 2021 18:28:52 GMT
Piers has never liked Meghan, he truly believes she's a social climber who uses people. I guess their popularity in the UK is way down, good luck Harry, methinks you're going to need it. Do you think though that his relationship with William can ever be mended? People where I live in New Hampshire on the border of Canada are absolutely aghast with Harry. There is also lots of people not thrilled with Meghan essentially lifting from Diana's life. And Harry backing that.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 15, 2021 18:45:25 GMT
Piers has never liked Meghan, he truly believes she's a social climber who uses people. I guess their popularity in the UK is way down, good luck Harry, methinks you're going to need it. Do you think though that his relationship with William can ever be mended? People where I live in New Hampshire on the border of Canada are absolutely aghast with Harry. There is also lots of people not thrilled with Meghan essentially lifting from Diana's life. And Harry backing that. I think Harry and William will eventually get to a place where the are cordial with each other and can present a healthy front for the public, but won't ever mend anything beyond that. It has to be incredibly hard for Harry to be the one person in his family not on a chosen path. I can understand where that would feel like rejection to him, and he's therefore rejecting the life that his father and brother have. But that life is so closely wrapped in to who William is that to him, it must feel like a personal rejection. Those are some big issues. I agree with the discomfort people have expressed in ways Meghan seems to be lifting from Diana's life. I saw a meme recently that had side by side pictures of times Meghan has copied her suggesting it was cosplay of her husband's dead mother. What I find most frustrating about it is that as much as Harry talked about not wanting history to repeat itself, he contributed to it by proposing to Meghan at a pace that led her to repeat diving into a royal life before she fully understood what she was getting in to. That was the very start of all Diana's problems, and he chose to repeat it. I think it's VERY possible that the reason for that is that Harry wanted out and saw Meghan as a path to get him there. But I take issue with him pointing so many fingers of blame without owning up to his own contributions.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Mar 15, 2021 19:09:49 GMT
That's just it, though. Piers sees nothing empathetic about the situation or Meghan. Hence, his view isn't going to come across empathetic.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 15, 2021 19:58:07 GMT
Piers has never liked Meghan, he truly believes she's a social climber who uses people. I guess their popularity in the UK is way down, good luck Harry, methinks you're going to need it. Do you think though that his relationship with William can ever be mended? People where I live in New Hampshire on the border of Canada are absolutely aghast with Harry. There is also lots of people not thrilled with Meghan essentially lifting from Diana's life. And Harry backing that. I really don't know. I guess only time will tell.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 15, 2021 23:41:20 GMT
I didn't realise this was Pippa's second child, I agree cuddles, it is a pretty name. I haven't heard much news about the duke of Edinburgh I guess after heart surgery, he's still resting. I haven't either. Was disappointed to see Kate at a memorial site not wearing a mask. Hope she stays away from Pippa and her new bundle.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 16, 2021 0:15:54 GMT
I didn't realise this was Pippa's second child, I agree cuddles, it is a pretty name. I haven't heard much news about the duke of Edinburgh I guess after heart surgery, he's still resting. I haven't either. Was disappointed to see Kate at a memorial site not wearing a mask. Hope she stays away from Pippa and her new bundle. I only saw she was far away from the crowd, and only there for a few minutes. The girl was killed by a policeman on her way home.
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Post by Kao on Mar 16, 2021 0:53:14 GMT
I'm rather suspicious of Sharon Osbourne, especially since it's not her first time doing this sort of thing. I remember when she got Holly Robinson Peete fired from the show for being "too ghetto" in her exact words (and if you've ever seen Holly you would know she is as close to the ghetto as my a** is next to my elbow; that is to say, not close at all) and her daughter said on another show "If you kick out all the Mexicans who will clean our toilets?" as if the only jobs they do in this country is cleaning and landscaping. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and this family seems only capable of thinking of people not like them in only the most stereotypical of ways, and her turning on the crocodile tears while telling someone who has no doubt seem more than her fair share of racism than Sharon will ever see EVER to "not dare cry" is just....omg. The sheer gall.
Congrats to Pippa and her child. I hope Meghan has a safe birth as well and that she and Harry find peace.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 16, 2021 3:34:30 GMT
I haven't either. Was disappointed to see Kate at a memorial site not wearing a mask. Hope she stays away from Pippa and her new bundle. I only saw she was far away from the crowd, and only there for a few minutes. The girl was killed by a policeman on her way home. There is a video circulating. She is shoulder to shoulder with other visitors, and not wearing a mask.
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 16, 2021 4:26:27 GMT
I only saw she was far away from the crowd, and only there for a few minutes. The girl was killed by a policeman on her way home. There is a video circulating. She is shoulder to shoulder with other visitors, and not wearing a mask. Would you like me to scold Kate. ? They are tested regularly, and unlike my country, have had two vaccines. I'll allow her a slip up..I admire Kate and I'm so very glad she attended the vigil youtu.be/_Aj2SaiSCXE.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Mar 16, 2021 11:57:46 GMT
I've looked for or expected the media to pounce on Kate for something, anything, since all the talk about M&H's interview. Anything to create news. smh
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