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Post by FannyMare on Mar 16, 2021 12:19:55 GMT
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Post by acookertv on Mar 16, 2021 13:08:56 GMT
Michelle Obama did a brilliant job of answering questions about Harry and Meghan and keeping the focus on where it was useful instead of gossip. I especially liked this quote -
"The thing that I always keep in mind is that none of this is about us in public service. It's about the people that we serve. I always try to push the light back out and focus it on the folks that we are actually here to serve."
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 16, 2021 13:29:16 GMT
There is a video circulating. She is shoulder to shoulder with other visitors, and not wearing a mask. Would you like me to scold Kate. ? They are tested regularly, and unlike my country, have had two vaccines. I'll allow her a slip up..I admire Kate and I'm so very glad she attended the vigil youtu.be/_Aj2SaiSCXE. No, FannyMare. Just stating the facts. She was not at a distance the entire time she was there. She was actually very close to others. Very close. Like shoulder-to-shoulder close. Wearing a mask is not just for one's protection, it is also out of consideration for others. It's also the rule there, so Kate's choice to not wear a mask was not a good look. This is not the first time, either. But as you will note from my earlier post, I was not mask shaming; I just hoped she wouldn't go visit her new niece.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 16, 2021 13:49:25 GMT
If declaring it's not a good look and not considerate of others is not shaming, what is it?
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 16, 2021 13:59:11 GMT
If declaring it's not a good look and not considerate of others is not shaming, what is it? I said in my earlier post. But at this point, when others want to make the excuse that she was not close or she is tested, or the the media is just out to get her, then let's call it what it is - Kate was being disrespectful and acting as though the rules do not apply to her. I could've gone rogue and said she didn't want to wear a mask because she wanted to be recognized, that it was merely a publicity stunt, but that's not what I think.
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Post by ibot2much on Mar 16, 2021 14:20:13 GMT
I do not get involved with "the Royals" discussions as I really do not care a fig about them, but if stating that Kate not wearing a mask is "not a good look" and is "not considerate is others" is mask shaming, then so be it. I am shocked that she did so and was allowed to do so by her handlers.
It may be wrong to shame people for things that may be beyond their power to change.....weight, looks etc.....but wearing a mask is certainly within anyone's power and I, for one, have no problem shaming her for that.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 16, 2021 14:28:47 GMT
There is another video of the same event where a man spotted her walking through the park and tried to get her attention. From her response, and the very limited security detail she had with her, it seemed evident that the top focus of her going was to help her blend in and go unnoticed. I understand that the initial thought would be that a mask would help cover her face and help her to blend in more. But she's been seen in public wearing one so often that at this point, not wearing one may be a better disguise. If she's been fully vaccinated, the rules change a bit - many doctors say that the guidance to still wear a mask after being vaccinated is due to not being able to enforce a public policy if you don't know who has been vaccinated and who has not.
I for one like that Kate took the time to pay her respects, and didn't take the presence of a camera as an opportunity to talk about how hurtful it was for Meghan to say mean things about her, and how people need to respond by asking her how she is.
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Post by FireWoman on Mar 16, 2021 15:43:28 GMT
If declaring it's not a good look and not considerate of others is not shaming, what is it? I said in my earlier post. But at this point, when others want to make the excuse that she was not close or she is tested, or the the media is just out to get her, then let's call it what it is - Kate was being disrespectful and acting as though the rules do not apply to her. I could've gone rogue and said she didn't want to wear a mask because she wanted to be recognized, that it was merely a publicity stunt, but that's not what I think. She was not the only one without a mask in the video... to call her out on it is a bit persnickety if you (not you specifically but a general you) are not going to call everyone in the video not masking up out. There could be many reasons why she, or the others, are not wearing masks. As far as I know, masks are NOT required outside in the UK so the fact she is not wearing one should really be of no consequence in this case. Maybe all her other instances of wearing one was because it was in the best interest of all involved at whatever event she was attending. I do not think it is a case of her bucking the rules and thinking they do not apply to her.. in fact she was well within the rules and I am sure welcomed the chance to not be in a mask after all these months!
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Mar 16, 2021 15:48:51 GMT
There is another video of the same event where a man spotted her walking through the park and tried to get her attention. From her response, and the very limited security detail she had with her, it seemed evident that the top focus of her going was to help her blend in and go unnoticed. I understand that the initial thought would be that a mask would help cover her face and help her to blend in more. But she's been seen in public wearing one so often that at this point, not wearing one may be a better disguise. If she's been fully vaccinated, the rules change a bit - many doctors say that the guidance to still wear a mask after being vaccinated is due to not being able to enforce a public policy if you don't know who has been vaccinated and who has not. I for one like that Kate took the time to pay her respects, and didn't take the presence of a camera as an opportunity to talk about how hurtful it was for Meghan to say mean things about her, and how people need to respond by asking her how she is.Shows you the class in Kate.
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 16, 2021 16:06:18 GMT
I said in my earlier post. But at this point, when others want to make the excuse that she was not close or she is tested, or the the media is just out to get her, then let's call it what it is - Kate was being disrespectful and acting as though the rules do not apply to her. I could've gone rogue and said she didn't want to wear a mask because she wanted to be recognized, that it was merely a publicity stunt, but that's not what I think. She was not the only one without a mask in the video... to call her out on it is a bit persnickety if you (not you specifically but a general you) are not going to call everyone in the video not masking up out. There could be many reasons why she, or the others, are not wearing masks. As far as I know, masks are NOT required outside in the UK so the fact she is not wearing one should really be of no consequence in this case. Maybe all her other instances of wearing one was because it was in the best interest of all involved at whatever event she was attending. I do not think it is a case of her bucking the rules and thinking they do not apply to her.. in fact she was well within the rules and I am sure welcomed the chance to not be in a mask after all these months! I am fine with being called persnickety. Everyone in the video isn't the Duchess of Cambridge.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 16, 2021 19:13:16 GMT
There is another video of the same event where a man spotted her walking through the park and tried to get her attention. From her response, and the very limited security detail she had with her, it seemed evident that the top focus of her going was to help her blend in and go unnoticed. I understand that the initial thought would be that a mask would help cover her face and help her to blend in more. But she's been seen in public wearing one so often that at this point, not wearing one may be a better disguise. If she's been fully vaccinated, the rules change a bit - many doctors say that the guidance to still wear a mask after being vaccinated is due to not being able to enforce a public policy if you don't know who has been vaccinated and who has not. I for one like that Kate took the time to pay her respects, and didn't take the presence of a camera as an opportunity to talk about how hurtful it was for Meghan to say mean things about her, and how people need to respond by asking her how she is.Shows you the class in Kate. It's the reason why I liked the Michelle Obama quote I posted earlier - when a person is in a position like that, the job is to shine light where it is needed and where it doesn't go as easily. Kate was paying respects and not bringing attention to herself. That's the part of the job Meghan and Harry never did very well. And it's a RARE person who can do it as well as Michelle Obama where she can say something so truthful where she's throwing a little shade, but doing it in such a grace-filled way that it doesn't come across as such.
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Post by FireWoman on Mar 16, 2021 19:36:19 GMT
She was not the only one without a mask in the video... to call her out on it is a bit persnickety if you (not you specifically but a general you) are not going to call everyone in the video not masking up out. There could be many reasons why she, or the others, are not wearing masks. As far as I know, masks are NOT required outside in the UK so the fact she is not wearing one should really be of no consequence in this case. Maybe all her other instances of wearing one was because it was in the best interest of all involved at whatever event she was attending. I do not think it is a case of her bucking the rules and thinking they do not apply to her.. in fact she was well within the rules and I am sure welcomed the chance to not be in a mask after all these months! I am fine with being called persnickety. Everyone in the video isn't the Duchess of Cambridge. And masks are not required, so I guess that point is moot
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Mar 16, 2021 20:42:57 GMT
Shows you the class in Kate. It's the reason why I liked the Michelle Obama quote I posted earlier - when a person is in a position like that, the job is to shine light where it is needed and where it doesn't go as easily. Kate was paying respects and not bringing attention to herself. That's the part of the job Meghan and Harry never did very well. And it's a RARE person who can do it as well as Michelle Obama where she can say something so truthful where she's throwing a little shade, but doing it in such a grace-filled way that it doesn't come across as such. Very well said..
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 16, 2021 21:41:08 GMT
I am fine with being called persnickety. Everyone in the video isn't the Duchess of Cambridge. And masks are not required, so I guess that point is moot
My understanding is that they're not required outdoors in the UK but they are recommended, which explains why so many of the people she was close to were wearing them. In my estimation, for her to wear one would have been a way to encourage others. In other words, 'I know this isn't easy, but I'll do my part as I ask you to do yours.' That kind of thing. That's what leadership looks like. And again, if you rewind, my original comment was in regard to Pippa's baby. I remember feeling the very same way when she didn't wear a mask at the children's hospice. Simply put, disappointed. These were missed opportunities. Not good messaging. Whatever you'd like to call them. I have a soft spot for Kate, mainly because she's a loving mother, but I have even a softer spot for the little ones.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 16, 2021 22:34:33 GMT
There are a TON of pictures of William and Kate wearing masks on engagements - indoors and outdoors. They have absolutely been showing leadership in that respect. This was not a public engagement for Kate. This was her paying respects at a memorial, and trying to do it quietly and incognito. How does your criticism apply to the value of empathy you were speaking of yesterday?
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Post by FannyMare on Mar 16, 2021 22:44:24 GMT
There are a TON of pictures of William and Kate wearing masks on engagements - indoors and outdoors. They have absolutely been showing leadership in that respect. This was not a public engagement for Kate. This was her paying respects at a memorial, and trying to do it quietly and incognito. How does your criticism apply to the value of empathy you were speaking of yesterday? I noticed most the security around her had them on, same in the car with prince Philip. He was inside the car and not wearing one..different rules perhaps. We just back from a walk, we don't usually wear them outside. Always inside though.. ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/kate-middleton-makes-private-visit-194008488.htmlI suspected Kate remembered what is like, to walk around London at night..sigh.
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Post by AZChristian on Mar 18, 2021 14:01:49 GMT
So if the reaction to your first television interview bad-mouthing your family was (to put it mildly) mixed, why would you do another interview and admit that your talks with your family to try to rebuild relationships were "not productive." Harry . . . just let sleeping dogs lie for now. Or if you are going to wake them up, don't go on television to talk about it.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 18, 2021 14:17:57 GMT
So if the reaction to your first television interview bad-mouthing your family was (to put it mildly) mixed, why would you do another interview and admit that your talks with your family to try to rebuild relationships were "not productive." Harry . . . just let sleeping dogs lie for now. Or if you are going to wake them up, don't go on television to talk about it. Clearly Harry and Meghan were watching Meghan's family and decided to do everything they complained about Thomas and Samantha doing! They didn't like Thomas talking to the press ... but they did. They didn't like Samantha sharing details about the family ... but they did. They didn't like Thomas sharing a letter Meghan wrote him with the press ... but they are sending warnings that they have receipts and will use them. Maybe Harry should go ahead and change his last name to Markle?
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Post by MissScarlet on Mar 18, 2021 19:44:34 GMT
So if the reaction to your first television interview bad-mouthing your family was (to put it mildly) mixed, why would you do another interview and admit that your talks with your family to try to rebuild relationships were "not productive." Harry . . . just let sleeping dogs lie for now. Or if you are going to wake them up, don't go on television to talk about it. I agree the 2nd interview was totally unnecessary & probably a poor choice at this point. However, as to both interviews, I can understand why they gave them and did it publicly. The Royal Family is notorious for keeping all personal information, especially negative information, quiet. They want the public to see the image, not the down & dirty. It's all The Show. It has been for many many generations. That's why they're so mad at Harry & Meghan. They broke the "Royal Code of Silence". But here's where I kind of agree with Harry/Meghan. They have been hugely hurt by things that have gone on & the lack of support/help. That's why they felt they needed to get out, but they're still hurt & being trashed. Ultimately it's not their job to keep the dirty little secrets of others when those dirty little secrets have been hurtful to M & H. William has this attitude of "How dare they tell?", and is hugely angry about it. Well I say "How dare he & the rest of the RF do the things they don't want told that hurt & damaged M & H so much?" and how dare they expect M & H to just cover it all up to make others look better while they suffer. M & H don't have to keep those dirty little secrets just to help their tormentors look better. People (not just the RF) can't just go around doing damage & hurt to others & expect the victims to stay quiet & keep that dirty little secret. "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Mar 18, 2021 20:24:34 GMT
But how do we know the Royal family even did these things they're accusing them of?? This is Harry and Meghan's say-so. Meghan has claimed lack of support/help, but was there, really? Or was there the same support given to both Meghan and Kate as they married into this royalty, but Meghan chooses to feel slighted?? According to many in the family, these accusations have been denied.. so it makes me wonder. I'd think the hurt and being trashed would end, if they went on about their private lives the way they once said they wanted to.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 19, 2021 18:00:10 GMT
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 19, 2021 20:00:13 GMT
I read that article last night, and I found it kind of strange. The author spent the first half of the article building Meghan up and talking about how smart she is and what an unappreciated gift she was to the royal family. It kind of seemed to be championing her. And then suddenly it turned into a piece that was criticizing everything she had done. It thought it was rather bizarre. Good points were made in both parts of the article, but I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle of the drastic polarities. I did think that the article made an interesting point that the royal family with it's history of colonialism and exploitation in places like Africa and India is by definition racist (even if perhaps no longer overtly) and questioning why--given that history--Meghan (who has a degree in international studies and should know a thing of two about history) would want to be the new face of the royal family for people of color. That's definitely a good question and one that I hadn't thought about.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 19, 2021 20:15:08 GMT
I read that article last night, and I found it kind of strange. The author spent the first half of the article building Meghan up and talking about how smart she is and what an unappreciated gift she was to the royal family. It kind of seemed to be championing her. And then suddenly it turned into a piece that was criticizing everything she had done. It thought it was rather bizarre. Good points were made in both parts of the article, but I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle of the drastic polarities. I did think that the article made an interesting point that the royal family with it's history of colonialism and exploitation in places like Africa and India is by definition racist (even if perhaps no longer overtly) and questioning why--given that history--Meghan (who has a degree in international studies and should know a thing of two about history) would want to be the new face of the royal family for people of color. That's definitely a good question and one that I hadn't thought about. I think that your last statement illustrates why to me, it was a good article. I think in many ways, Meghan is trying to portray herself as being as naïve and unaware of what she was getting into as Diana was when she married Charles. I get it - she doesn't want people suggesting that she had her eyes set on Harry and was determined to marry into Royalty (even though the same has been suggested of Kate - saying her parents pushed her to go to school where she did so she'd have a chance to meet William and she's survived). But it's disingenuous, and recognizing Meghan's background illustrates that. I think that by starting out recognizing all of Meghan's talents and accomplishments, it was a more honest analysis. Had the writer started ripping her from the get go, it would have come across as noting but an angry hit piece. As a person who thinks Harry and Meghan are both being rather dishonest, and that it hurts the causes they say they are fighting for, I'm glad to see them called out.
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 19, 2021 23:22:28 GMT
I would rather she (the author) had acknowledged from the outset that it was a hit piece. I found it rather jarring to go from what looked like a glowing article full of praise to a sudden brutal dissection of Meghan. To me, that made the first part of the article seem disingenuous.
As a reader, I felt she had played with my emotions. I would rather have had her let me know where she was headed from the beginning, integrating all of the same facts as she made the arguments she came there to make in the first place.
To be fair, the sarcastic title of the article was an indication that it wasn't going to be complimentary. I was actually offended that they used the term "do the work" in the title. It was basically a put-down of all the people who are asking White people to put in an effort to learn about the history of what Black people have gone through. I thought it was in poor taste and on par with Chris Harrison's "woke police" statements, which is kind of surprising coming from The Atlantic.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Mar 21, 2021 4:44:16 GMT
I would rather she (the author) had acknowledged from the outset that it was a hit piece. I found it rather jarring to go from what looked like a glowing article full of praise to a sudden brutal dissection of Meghan. To me, that made the first part of the article seem disingenuous. As a reader, I felt she had played with my emotions. I would rather have had her let me know where she was headed from the beginning, integrating all of the same facts as she made the arguments she came there to make in the first place. To be fair, the sarcastic title of the article was an indication that it wasn't going to be complimentary. I was actually offended that they used the term "do the work" in the title. It was basically a put-down of all the people who are asking White people to put in an effort to learn about the history of what Black people have gone through. I thought it was in poor taste and on par with Chris Harrison's "woke police" statements, which is kind of surprising coming from The Atlantic. It's not a hit piece. Nor has anyone said it is. She uses facts to back up her points. It's The Atlantic, not The National Enquirer. Writers for esteemed magazines like The Atlantic don't write 'hit pieces.' It's serious journalism.
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Post by MissGriss on Mar 21, 2021 7:53:08 GMT
I would rather she (the author) had acknowledged from the outset that it was a hit piece. I found it rather jarring to go from what looked like a glowing article full of praise to a sudden brutal dissection of Meghan. To me, that made the first part of the article seem disingenuous. As a reader, I felt she had played with my emotions. I would rather have had her let me know where she was headed from the beginning, integrating all of the same facts as she made the arguments she came there to make in the first place. To be fair, the sarcastic title of the article was an indication that it wasn't going to be complimentary. I was actually offended that they used the term "do the work" in the title. It was basically a put-down of all the people who are asking White people to put in an effort to learn about the history of what Black people have gone through. I thought it was in poor taste and on par with Chris Harrison's "woke police" statements, which is kind of surprising coming from The Atlantic. It's not a hit piece. Nor has anyone said it is. She uses facts to back up her points. It's The Atlantic, not The National Enquirer. Writers for esteemed magazines like The Atlantic don't write 'hit pieces.' It's serious journalism. I'm familiar with The Atlantic. I'm a subscriber. My using the term "hit piece" referred to acookertv using that phrase in the post before mine. Mostly the article and the way The Atlantic is promoting it just irritates me. They seem as confused about its point as I was in reading it. I've seen several click-baity posts about it on The Atlantic's Instagram with titles like "Meghan was Naive" that go on to talk about how she could have saved the royal family, blah, blah and invite people to click to read the article. Much like the beginning of the actual article, this is totally misleading about the point of the piece, and the duplicity seems so out of character for the magazine. It was a misleading post like this that took me to the article in the first place.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 21, 2021 12:13:43 GMT
But I didn’t say it was a hit piece. I said it would have been if the whole thing was attacking her. But it opened crediting her accomplishments.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Mar 22, 2021 22:51:38 GMT
www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/marriage-certificate-proves-harry-and-meghan-did-not-marry-in-their-backyard-as-they-told-oprah/ar-BB1ePPGB?ocid=msedgntpMore lies brought to light. In this case Meghan and Harry were not married three days before the public wedding as stated by Meghan and agreed upon by Harry. Why are they doing this? She must know much of what she paints as truth can be easily fact checked. Or,said in a way that we only have her word and Harrys backing of her word. IT also bugs me that she makes a claim of racism against the family while Harry makes sure OPrah knows it's not the Queen or Philip who made the remarks. Yet, neither days who, leaving a cloud of suspition hanging over everyone else. THe thing is Meghan did experience intense racial bias regarding the Fleet St. rags. But, I fail to understand why she's not willing to call out specific people in the Royal family. Legal issues be damned. You've gone far enough, both of you, to create this mess, hurting people, but you've not the guts to reveal specifics. I can see Camilla or Phillip(who has a long history of making racist comments) saying something. But, I could be totally wrong. Then releasing this interview while Phillip is so ill. And another thing? She was not prevented from getting care. That's absolutely ludicrous. She is a 39 year old woman, With a husband for back up. Is she telling me with a straight face she was locked away in a room? Diana went to psychiatrists. It's not like Meghan was trapped. It's not the twelfth century. Also, Meghan complains of racism yet marries into a family which colonized multiple countries that are of dark skinned people.
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Post by acookertv on Mar 23, 2021 10:57:24 GMT
When it comes to the racism charges, there's another key piece they are leaving out (as mentioned in the Atlantic piece) which is Harry's past problems in that area. They point the finger to his family, and somehow want us to forget his nazi costume or his comments on the military video where he called fellow soldiers by racist names. Maybe he's trying to suggest that he learned those things from his family, and they are worse? I will say - it does irritate me that when they brought those things up, Oprah did not bring up Harry's past. To me, it was one of the ways that she confirmed she'd taken on the role of PR conduit for Harry and Meghan instead of the esteemed interviewer she's shown herself to be. Edited to add: pagesix.com/2021/03/22/meghan-markle-and-prince-harry-admit-secret-wedding-never-actually-happened/ Oops! The corrections keep on coming. Which leads to the question - what else did they exaggerate about in that interview?
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Post by Cuddles on Mar 23, 2021 22:50:37 GMT
I believe Oprah is smart enough to know that whataboutisms don't further discussion, they stall it. And to that note, as a result of the interview, the Queen will be appointing a Diversity Czar. Oprah Interview "But whatever you think about the couple's revelations, in purely journalistic terms, Oprah delivered a masterpiece of an interview."
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