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Post by acookertv on Apr 27, 2021 17:39:44 GMT
Maybe I can convince you to go back to being neutral again. From the All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club, "reports that members were blocked from entering the members seating while Meghan was there are completely untrue." I royal source also told a news agency that it is not at all unusual for photos to not be taken at public engagements, "This is to enable members of the royal family to properly engage with people and events." The same report also said "A representative for the All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club told ABC News they "did not know" whether seats in the members' enclosure were deliberately kept free around the Duchess of Sussex." so I am sure there is a bit more to that story too. Kate has photos of her at Wimbledon, that are in the public seating section, where she does not have scores of seats empty by her with security on the outskirts.
Sadly I used to be VERY pro-Meghan but recent behaviour and outright lies about things have soured me to her and Henry. It took a turn and went downhill fast for me.
This is correct - I specifically remember a time a few years ago when there was a British player who got further than expected and was playing a match on one of the outer courts. Kate sat in the bleachers to watch that match surrounded by other fans. The particular match that the "controversy" happened was on court 1, so Meghan did not have the option of the royal box which is only at Centre Court. Serena plays nearly all her matches on Centre Court, but this was a rare one that was put on Court One due to the scheduling of men's matches, and was a big one, so it was understandable that Meghan would want to be there. I also don't think it can be forgotten that the AELTCC has a close relationship with the royal family - it's one of Kate's patronages (which she took over from the horrid Duchess of Kent who was the same woman who wore the horrid broach to a luncheon attended by Meghan). With those close ties, it's quite possible they'd agree to make a statement that put the royals in the best light possible. I can't say for certain that they'd lie to help Meghan save face - nor can it be said for certain they never would. But I think it's quite possible - and if it fact that did happen, it would be an example of the ways that the BRF did do work to help Meghan look good behind the scenes, the way they normally operate.
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Post by Cuddles on Apr 27, 2021 17:42:51 GMT
I don't think any of us really know what is going on inside the Royal Family. That's kind of the point. So it's all hearsay and our own opinions. I think they are probably all very lovely people but also in a completely toxic environment. My British family aren't fans Americans seem to be more invested at least from what I see. I think they're probably all nice folks, too. The more the tabloids build up Kate, though, the more off-putting it becomes. Especially when they have nothing good to say about Meghan. There were articles saying Kate was going to be the peacemaker before Harry even arrived, and then as soon as she held back a few steps there it was * the Moment * Kate was the Peacemaker. Oh for the Love of God.
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Post by acookertv on Apr 27, 2021 17:48:16 GMT
I don't think any of us really know what is going on inside the Royal Family. That's kind of the point. So it's all hearsay and our own opinions. I think they are probably all very lovely people but also in a completely toxic environment. My British family aren't fans Americans seem to be more invested at least from what I see. I think they're probably all nice folks, too. The more the tabloids build up Kate, though, the more off-putting it becomes. Especially when they have nothing good to say about Meghan. There were articles saying Kate was going to be the peacemaker before Harry even arrived, and then as soon as she held back a few steps there it was * the Moment * Kate was the Peacemaker. Oh for the Love of God. Isn't that done because it's good for business? Kate is a higher ranking royal - so for the business of the monarch, her image is more valued. And if Charles ever looks bad and he can be propped up by Kate taking the fall, they'd do that. And, if Meghan was still an active royal and in hot water, someone like Beatrice, Eugenie, or Zara may be used to give her cover and prop her up. Everything they do is about protecting the established rank.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Apr 27, 2021 18:10:10 GMT
I gave Meghan the benefit of the doubt before all these rumors started of her being so unhappy..etc. I always liked Kate, but wanted to like Meghan, too. I just sensed manipulation with Meghan - leaving the royal life with Harry, to how she's supposedly treated so unfairly by them. It's always the other person with them, and that is when I wonder who it really is with the problem.
I choose to believe Kate and Meghan are different. Very different. Kate is built up in tabloids because she is probably very genuine, and hasn't disappointed. The more Meghan complains, the better Kate looks IMO.
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Post by FireWoman on Apr 27, 2021 18:35:22 GMT
I don't think any of us really know what is going on inside the Royal Family. That's kind of the point. So it's all hearsay and our own opinions. I think they are probably all very lovely people but also in a completely toxic environment. My British family aren't fans Americans seem to be more invested at least from what I see. I am sure some of them are and I am sure that some are outright gits too (looking at you Duchess of Kent)! No one is perfect, I am not naïve enough to think that anyone in that family is. I am sure they all have their good and bad points. I still respect a lot of the views that Meghan has (like female empowerment, gender equality, animal and children's causes etc.) but that does not mean that I like everything about her or her perceived personality.
And yes Juls, of course we are fascinated by the BRF, its something we don't have here and hell, their long history of oddness is interesting! lol
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Post by JustJuls on Apr 27, 2021 18:59:49 GMT
I don't think any of us really know what is going on inside the Royal Family. That's kind of the point. So it's all hearsay and our own opinions. I think they are probably all very lovely people but also in a completely toxic environment. My British family aren't fans Americans seem to be more invested at least from what I see. I am sure some of them are and I am sure that some are outright gits too (looking at you Duchess of Kent)! No one is perfect, I am not naïve enough to think that anyone in that family is. I am sure they all have their good and bad points. I still respect a lot of the views that Meghan has (like female empowerment, gender equality, animal and children's causes etc.) but that does not mean that I like everything about her or her perceived personality.
And yes Juls, of course we are fascinated by the BRF, its something we don't have here and hell, their long history of oddness is interesting! lol Yes...I do get it. I just think it's glorified here but it's really not all it's chopped up to be. I think Meghan is fantastic. I think Kate is great too. It's a shame they are being pitted against each other and it makes me wonder where exactly that is coming from. I know a lot of people tend to lean Kates "way" - and I think that has a lot to do with her being from England and Meghan being a less proper American. They are both strong, amazing women who both need to be held up and not pushed down and pointed fingers at. I was hoping the world had been taught a lesson when it came to Princess Diana. But we haven't.
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Post by dagwood on Apr 27, 2021 19:59:32 GMT
Here is my question about it all. Why is it our business if Kate apologized or not? I get that they are a public family but should they not be allowed privacy in some things? I wanted to like Meghan at the beginning because I love Harry but she is just coming across as petty now. I get why they decided to leave the public eye, but they can't stay out of it if they are constantly in it whining about the treatment. Maybe they need to back down and take a break. Enjoy Archie and their new little girl. Step away and just relax for a while.
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Post by acookertv on Apr 27, 2021 20:11:51 GMT
Here is my question about it all. Why is it our business if Kate apologized or not? I get that they are a public family but should they not be allowed privacy in some things? I wanted to like Meghan at the beginning because I love Harry but she is just coming across as petty now. I get why they decided to leave the public eye, but they can't stay out of it if they are constantly in it whining about the treatment. Maybe they need to back down and take a break. Enjoy Archie and their new little girl. Step away and just relax for a while. I agree with your line of thinking - but in following it, shouldn't we also be asking why it was our business if there was any conflict between them in the wedding prep involving the girls who were in the wedding? I'd say that was a private moment too. But they get a great deal of publicity and support because the public is interested in those things which are private. I think that the traditional approach of "never explain, never complain" is a very very wise one. It puts limits on how they are impacted by the gossip. By never explaining (or denying) anything, the public has to operate from an assumption that all reports could be false. When they start choosing some to deny, suddenly those they don't deny can be assumed to some degree to be true. There was an additional clip released by O Magazine from the Oprah interview where Meghan talked about privacy. She used the analogy that if you have a picture of your child on your desk, it does not give co-workers the right to demand to see your phone to look at all the other pictures of your child. What I think Meghan missed in that analogy is that what is released about the BRF in pictures, appearances and announcements, is sought after publicity which keeps their operation going. It pays the bills. So I think Meghan's analogy needs to be edited to say that if you tell your co-worker to come to your desk to see the new picture of your child you have on display, the co-worker is likely to interpret that as a desire for attention, and will likely ask to see more pictures. Yes - the co-worker cannot grab our phone out of your purse to see more pics - or break into your house to take their own pictures of your child. But they have asked for the attention - they can't be surprised when the public accepts the invitation and hopes for more.
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Post by Cuddles on Apr 27, 2021 21:27:17 GMT
I don't believe anyone (here, anyway) feels it's their business if Kate apologized, and I don't think anyone doubts that she didn't. I think the apology being debated is if it would help the family heal now if Kate would gracefully acknowledge that Meghan was unfairly and falsely blamed for a dustup. Just a simple, yes it is true and I wish I had spoken up sooner. Wow, wouldn't that go a long way.
Meghan's comment about the picture on her desk came from sound legal advice. Those are the type of conversations they've been having with their lawyers... lawyers who have been winning their court cases!
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Post by MissScarlet on Apr 27, 2021 22:20:30 GMT
I am sure some of them are and I am sure that some are outright gits too (looking at you Duchess of Kent)! No one is perfect, I am not naïve enough to think that anyone in that family is. I am sure they all have their good and bad points. I still respect a lot of the views that Meghan has (like female empowerment, gender equality, animal and children's causes etc.) but that does not mean that I like everything about her or her perceived personality.
And yes Juls, of course we are fascinated by the BRF, its something we don't have here and hell, their long history of oddness is interesting! lol Yes...I do get it. I just think it's glorified here but it's really not all it's chopped up to be. I think Meghan is fantastic. I think Kate is great too. It's a shame they are being pitted against each other and it makes me wonder where exactly that is coming from. I know a lot of people tend to lean Kates "way" - and I think that has a lot to do with her being from England and Meghan being a less proper American. They are both strong, amazing women who both need to be held up and not pushed down and pointed fingers at. I was hoping the world had been taught a lesson when it came to Princess Diana. But we haven't. I think everyone thought that Meghan was prepared for the public eye & public scrutiny, seeing that she was an actress, but what she fell into was way over the top. The Royals & the British media are way worse than the media in the US. They thrive on controlling their own & ugly gossip is like the daily news is here. When they get the reaction they want out of their target, then they step up the harassment. It's like a bunch of sharks. Once they see blood they go in for the killing frenzy. Meghan just wasn't prepared to be carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey. As for the similarity to Princess Diana, Harry saw this first hand, happen to his mother. I think it's always been in the back (or maybe the front) of his mind. He's been living with this his entire life, and I think, deep inside, despising this part of Royal life. Now they're all back & ganging up on his wife & marriage. Is she perfect? No. She's human, with likes, dislikes, feelings, occasional bad or odd moods, which just isn't allowed. So they spoke their minds about their feelings & treatment. And now every word they spoke is being disected and analyzed and carved up for utmost accuracy. Nobody should have to live this way.
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Post by FannyMare on Apr 27, 2021 22:37:19 GMT
Yes...I do get it. I just think it's glorified here but it's really not all it's chopped up to be. I think Meghan is fantastic. I think Kate is great too. It's a shame they are being pitted against each other and it makes me wonder where exactly that is coming from. I know a lot of people tend to lean Kates "way" - and I think that has a lot to do with her being from England and Meghan being a less proper American. They are both strong, amazing women who both need to be held up and not pushed down and pointed fingers at. I was hoping the world had been taught a lesson when it came to Princess Diana. But we haven't. I think everyone thought that Meghan was prepared for the public eye & public scrutiny, seeing that she was an actress, but what she fell into was way over the top. The Royals & the British media are way worse than the media in the US. They thrive on controlling their own & ugly gossip is like the daily news is here. When they get the reaction they want out of their target, then they step up the harassment. It's like a bunch of sharks. Once they see blood they go in for the killing frenzy. Meghan just wasn't prepared to be carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey. As for the similarity to Princess Diana, Harry saw this first hand, happen to his mother. I think it's always been in the back (or maybe the front) of his mind. He's been living with this his entire life, and I think, deep inside, despising this part of Royal life. Now they're all back & ganging up on his wife & marriage. Is she perfect? No. She's human, with likes, dislikes, feelings, occasional bad or odd moods, which just isn't allowed. So they spoke their minds about their feelings & treatment. And now every word they spoke is being disected and analyzed and carved up for utmost accuracy. Nobody should have to live this way. Then stay out of the media something she said they wanted. She's addicted to it. So much of what she has said has been lies, it4s difficult to believe a word she says.
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Post by dagwood on Apr 27, 2021 22:50:32 GMT
Here is my question about it all. Why is it our business if Kate apologized or not? I get that they are a public family but should they not be allowed privacy in some things? I wanted to like Meghan at the beginning because I love Harry but she is just coming across as petty now. I get why they decided to leave the public eye, but they can't stay out of it if they are constantly in it whining about the treatment. Maybe they need to back down and take a break. Enjoy Archie and their new little girl. Step away and just relax for a while. I agree with your line of thinking - but in following it, shouldn't we also be asking why it was our business if there was any conflict between them in the wedding prep involving the girls who were in the wedding? I'd say that was a private moment too. But they get a great deal of publicity and support because the public is interested in those things which are private. I think that the traditional approach of "never explain, never complain" is a very very wise one. It puts limits on how they are impacted by the gossip. By never explaining (or denying) anything, the public has to operate from an assumption that all reports could be false. When they start choosing some to deny, suddenly those they don't deny can be assumed to some degree to be true. But they have asked for the attention - they can't be surprised when the public accepts the invitation and hopes for more.I agree, no it was not our business. And I agree with the second bold. You can't ask for the attention then be surprised when you get it. And going on national tv to discuss your perceived treatment by the royal family, you have to expect both negative and positive reactions.
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Post by acookertv on Apr 28, 2021 0:15:59 GMT
Yes...I do get it. I just think it's glorified here but it's really not all it's chopped up to be. I think Meghan is fantastic. I think Kate is great too. It's a shame they are being pitted against each other and it makes me wonder where exactly that is coming from. I know a lot of people tend to lean Kates "way" - and I think that has a lot to do with her being from England and Meghan being a less proper American. They are both strong, amazing women who both need to be held up and not pushed down and pointed fingers at. I was hoping the world had been taught a lesson when it came to Princess Diana. But we haven't. I think everyone thought that Meghan was prepared for the public eye & public scrutiny, seeing that she was an actress, but what she fell into was way over the top. The Royals & the British media are way worse than the media in the US. They thrive on controlling their own & ugly gossip is like the daily news is here. When they get the reaction they want out of their target, then they step up the harassment. It's like a bunch of sharks. Once they see blood they go in for the killing frenzy. Meghan just wasn't prepared to be carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey. As for the similarity to Princess Diana, Harry saw this first hand, happen to his mother. I think it's always been in the back (or maybe the front) of his mind. He's been living with this his entire life, and I think, deep inside, despising this part of Royal life. Now they're all back & ganging up on his wife & marriage. Is she perfect? No. She's human, with likes, dislikes, feelings, occasional bad or odd moods, which just isn't allowed. So they spoke their minds about their feelings & treatment. And now every word they spoke is being disected and analyzed and carved up for utmost accuracy. Nobody should have to live this way. So while I’m not big on either or comparisons of the two women, this is one area where I think comparisons are fair. What made Kate prepared for the treatment? I’d argue she was given a long period of time to understand exactly what life would look like, and decide if love was enough to tolerate it. It’s been widely reported that William strongly advised Meghan also be given time. But Harry decided to ignore it. At what point is Harry accountable for his choices - and gracious towards his brothers good intentions.
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Post by JustJuls on Apr 28, 2021 0:41:18 GMT
I'd argue to say that Kate had her entire life to prepare. Being from England alone gives her an upper hand as to what society is like there.
I'd also argue the opposite direction in that I don't think there is any amount of time that can prepare you for what they go through. I don't envy any of them.
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Post by acookertv on Apr 28, 2021 2:32:30 GMT
Fair point. But Diana was raised in England in a family more elite than the Middletons and was not prepared. What Kates long courtship gave her was understanding of all the traditions that had to be respected, family members to defer to, tabloids slamming her as waits Katie, etc. she got tastes of it. Granted it was like an amuse bouche and not an entire meal. But she had an idea. Harry and Meghan decided it wasn’t necessary for her to even research the chef.
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Post by AZChristian on Apr 28, 2021 2:33:14 GMT
I thought Meghan loved the press, she's in often enough.Carved up like a turkey. Omg. She left they left, goody! I'm glad she couldn't make Philips funeral, it would of been all about her( reporting back to Gayle King and co ) asap. I thought that it was tacky that she had to announce that she was going on "maternity leave" during the week between Philip's death and funeral. Couldn't wait until Harry got back home? Sure seemed like she had to pull the attention back to herself.
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Post by Cuddles on Apr 28, 2021 11:16:24 GMT
I thought Meghan loved the press, she's in often enough.Carved up like a turkey. Omg. She left they left, goody! I'm glad she couldn't make Philips funeral, it would of been all about her( reporting back to Gayle King and co ) asap. I thought that it was tacky that she had to announce that she was going on "maternity leave" during the week between Philip's death and funeral. Couldn't wait until Harry got back home? Sure seemed like she had to pull the attention back to herself. How did you even hear about it? I hadn't. In fact I had to do a search and all I came up with is " 'reportedly' " from unnamed sources. No formal announcement on their site or broadcasting of any kind. So how could that be interpreted as putting attention back on herself if it's just a blurb of useless gossip? Meghan had a previous miscarriage. Recently she was not medically cleared to fly. I just hope their baby girl arrives safely and well.
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Post by acookertv on Apr 28, 2021 12:28:31 GMT
I saw the reports in several publications, and each of them used the language they use when getting information from a press release.
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Post by Cuddles on Apr 28, 2021 12:32:13 GMT
If anyone has links, I'd like to read them because I haven't been able to find anything noteworthy myself.
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Post by sunnydayz on Apr 28, 2021 15:09:38 GMT
I find Gayle King’s “reporting” that Harry said talks with his brother were unproductive, a bit laughable. Sadly I can’t imagine anyone in Harry’s family having heart to heart conversations with him now....not after H&M have blabbed to the world and continue to use GK/O as their personal PR team.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Apr 28, 2021 16:08:54 GMT
I know, right?! Who would confide in them now? Unproductive? Laughable? Sad how they throw everyone else under the bus.
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Post by MissScarlet on Apr 28, 2021 20:14:02 GMT
I find Gayle King’s “reporting” that Harry said talks with his brother were unproductive, a bit laughable. Sadly I can’t imagine anyone in Harry’s family having heart to heart conversations with him now....not after H&M have blabbed to the world and continue to use GK/O as their personal PR team. I can't imagine why the Royal Family could possibly be offended or upset because of such an unrevealing and bland statement. "Unproductive" - Wow! That certainly gives away a lot. I can see them getting put out about the Oprah interview, but this? They're getting their panties in a bunch over absolutely nothing. Nothing was given away. Nothing.
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Post by Cuddles on Apr 28, 2021 20:43:43 GMT
I find Gayle King’s “reporting” that Harry said talks with his brother were unproductive, a bit laughable. Sadly I can’t imagine anyone in Harry’s family having heart to heart conversations with him now....not after H&M have blabbed to the world and continue to use GK/O as their personal PR team. I can't imagine why the Royal Family could possibly be offended or upset because of such an unrevealing and bland statement. "Unproductive" - Wow! That certainly gives away a lot. I can see them getting put out about the Oprah interview, but this? They're getting their panties in a bunch over absolutely nothing. Nothing was given away. Nothing. I doubt that they are offended. Rumors would want to make you think they are though, just to keep the stupidity going. I'm looking forward to memorial events and specials for Diana on her 60th birthday. It will be so nice to concentrate on something uplifting again.
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Post by sunnydayz on Apr 28, 2021 21:43:43 GMT
I find Gayle King’s “reporting” that Harry said talks with his brother were unproductive, a bit laughable. Sadly I can’t imagine anyone in Harry’s family having heart to heart conversations with him now....not after H&M have blabbed to the world and continue to use GK/O as their personal PR team. I can't imagine why the Royal Family could possibly be offended or upset because of such an unrevealing and bland statement. "Unproductive" - Wow! That certainly gives away a lot.
I can see them getting put out about the Oprah interview, but this? They're getting their panties in a bunch over absolutely nothing. Nothing was given away. Nothing.Sorry not to be more clear in my post. I wasn't implying that the Royal Family was offended or upset by GK's "unproductive" statement. I was just thinking that first there was "the interview" where they shared family stuff, then there was the "unproductive" statement after Harry's return from the funeral. Based on that, I don't know why any family members would confide in Harry now or try and have a heart to heart conversation anytime in the near future, because of the fear that Harry would be likely to share whatever was said with GK and O and thus, the public.
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Post by acookertv on Apr 28, 2021 23:51:56 GMT
I find Gayle King’s “reporting” that Harry said talks with his brother were unproductive, a bit laughable. Sadly I can’t imagine anyone in Harry’s family having heart to heart conversations with him now....not after H&M have blabbed to the world and continue to use GK/O as their personal PR team. I can't imagine why the Royal Family could possibly be offended or upset because of such an unrevealing and bland statement. "Unproductive" - Wow! That certainly gives away a lot. I can see them getting put out about the Oprah interview, but this? They're getting their panties in a bunch over absolutely nothing. Nothing was given away. Nothing. If I have a very close relationship with someone who is known to be deeply private and not reveal anything about their family life, and after talking to that person I reveal to a large group what that person said - even if it is a vague revelation - I should expect that person to feel betrayed.
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Post by AZChristian on Apr 28, 2021 23:57:46 GMT
Quoting you, sunnydayz"Based on that, I don't know why any family members would confide in Harry now or try and have a heart to heart conversation anytime in the near future, because of the fear that Harry would be likely to share whatever was said with GK and O and thus, the public."Harry is the one who went to Meghan and told her that "comments had been made about how dark the baby would be." No one but Harry has told that story. And we're hearing his interpretation. What if someone had innocently said, "Gee, I wonder whether the baby will look like Harry or Meghan." MOST people hear that comment before the birth of a child, but Harry's reporting of the comment made it sound racist. Harry is the one who reports that private talks were "unproductive." If there were private talks, why is he talking about them? And when Meghan reported that they had been married privately in their garden three days before the big wedding, that was untrue. The only reason they got found out was because the Archbishop of Canterbury denied that they were married in their yard. I agree with you, sunnydayz. There are reasons why the family relationship is broken, and very little of the blame appears to be caused by people currently living in the UK. It's sad. The queen is 95 and has devoted her life to serving her people. It would have been nice if her remaining years could have been a joyful time of reflection instead of what's happening now.
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Post by Cuddles on Apr 29, 2021 12:43:54 GMT
Quoting you, sunnydayz "Based on that, I don't know why any family members would confide in Harry now or try and have a heart to heart conversation anytime in the near future, because of the fear that Harry would be likely to share whatever was said with GK and O and thus, the public."Harry is the one who went to Meghan and told her that "comments had been made about how dark the baby would be." No one but Harry has told that story. And we're hearing his interpretation. What if someone had innocently said, "Gee, I wonder whether the baby will look like Harry or Meghan." MOST people hear that comment before the birth of a child, but Harry's reporting of the comment made it sound racist. Harry is the one who reports that private talks were "unproductive." If there were private talks, why is he talking about them? And when Meghan reported that they had been married privately in their garden three days before the big wedding, that was untrue. The only reason they got found out was because the Archbishop of Canterbury denied that they were married in their yard. I agree with you, sunnydayz . There are reasons why the family relationship is broken, and very little of the blame appears to be caused by people currently living in the UK. It's sad. The queen is 95 and has devoted her life to serving her people. It would have been nice if her remaining years could have been a joyful time of reflection instead of what's happening now. ... several "concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he was born," she said... "That was relayed to me from Harry. Those were conversations that family had with him," Meghan added, declining to reveal who was involved in those conversations. "That would be very damaging to them," she said. So everyone wants to know what was the straw that broke the camel's back, do they not? And yet when Meghan and Harry explained, it was not accepted. Who has a better explanation? If I were the parent of mixed racial children, why would I make something like that up? Anyone who loves their child unconditionally knows that you wouldn't. Re "unproductive" that seemed like the PERFECT answer. It takes the burden off of everyone. Nothing changed. Full stop. Finally, as for vows, Meghan's comment has been taking way beyond the extreme. They exchanged their vows, married in their hearts, it was their day, not everyone's day. Why does everything M&H have to be made out to be ugly and conniving?
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Post by acookertv on Apr 29, 2021 12:47:13 GMT
But in the Oprah interview, after Harry joined, he clarified that it was one conversation. Oprah asked him who said it and he too declined to say. But he said it was a conversation. So there were mixed reports over whether it was one or multiple - but given Harry was the participant, I consider him the more reliable source.
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Post by Cuddles on Apr 29, 2021 12:51:23 GMT
But in the Oprah interview, after Harry joined, he clarified that it was one conversation. Oprah asked him who said it and he too declined to say. But he said it was a conversation. So there were mixed reports over whether it was one or multiple - but given Harry was the participant, I consider him the more reliable source. This to me is just nonsensical. It is beyond the pale when every word becomes parsed. The premise is still the same.
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Post by acookertv on Apr 29, 2021 12:59:10 GMT
I'm sorry, I misunderstood when you were emphasizing multiple conversations to refute AZChristian's point.
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