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Post by Imperfect1 on Sept 20, 2022 13:20:27 GMT
I heard that Charles granted him an exemption so he could wear it that one time at the vigil. I read the ER was stripped from the shoulder of his dress coat as he is no longer a working royal and that really bothered him. Do we know for a fact that it was stripped? Andrew had his. With everything going on for the last week, maybe someone just forgot to put it on. I read one article that said he was so angry about not having it that he almost decided not to stand the vigil. But - like reading that the missing "ER" was intentional - is something that we can't know without proof. Ugh! It's so hypocritical! Harry hasn't committed any 'moral offense' or any crime, and he hasn't done anything wrong in this regard - he's just declined to serve as a royal. But Prince Andrew and King Charles have both committed HUGE moral and sexual offenses, and they are still allowed all of the royal funeral privileges.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 20, 2022 13:35:12 GMT
I heard that Charles granted him an exemption so he could wear it that one time at the vigil. I read the ER was stripped from the shoulder of his dress coat as he is no longer a working royal and that really bothered him. Do we know for a fact that it was stripped? Andrew had his. With everything going on for the last week, maybe someone just forgot to put it on. I read one article that said he was so angry about not having it that he almost decided not to stand the vigil. But - like reading that the missing "ER" was intentional - is something that we can't know without proof. Buckingham Palace previously announced that only working members of the royal family who hold military rank would wear their uniforms.
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Post by Cuddles on Sept 20, 2022 14:29:04 GMT
There's so much **** floating around about Harry being slighted and by whom and why, not only just in regard to the uniform but also the reception.
It's impossible to know right now what is true and what is not, but one thing we know is that Harry stood proud above the fray.
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Post by FireWoman on Sept 20, 2022 18:38:03 GMT
Both Harry and Andrew were allowed to wear their uniforms, for the vigil only. It is policy, even retired military personnel are not allowed to wear the uniform unless there is authorization or an honorary appointment given (like Anne or Edward, who, unlike both Harry and Andrew, never completed his service.). It is not a custom, like in the US, for them to simply do so, they have protocol. Harry's uniform at the vigil was at the request of his father.
I do find it sad, in the case of Harry especially, and ironic that the 2 members of the family who were not able to wear their uniforms, for whatever reasons, were the 2 that served the longest and during times of war.
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Post by justCoz on Sept 20, 2022 19:07:26 GMT
Both Harry and Andrew were allowed to wear their uniforms, for the vigil only. It is policy, even retired military personnel are not allowed to wear the uniform unless there is authorization or an honorary appointment given (like Anne or Edward, who, unlike both Harry and Andrew, never completed his service.). It is not a custom, like in the US, for them to simply do so, they have protocol. Harry's uniform at the vigil was at the request of his father. I do find it sad, in the case of Harry especially, and ironic that the 2 members of the family who were not able to wear their uniforms, for whatever reasons, were the 2 that served the longest and during times of war. That's what I had heard. While it's common here in the states to be able to still wear one's uniform after service it's against the rules (law?) there. The thing I saw that on they showed a few different parades of retired vets in regular suits with their medals attached. So it seems them getting to wear uniforms for the vigils was an exception to that. I also saw a statement put out from Harry beforehand that he would be wearing his morning suit as his grandmother wished and he seemed fine with it. I'm quite sure he knows the rules for no longer serving veterans and the uniform codes.
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Post by justCoz on Sept 20, 2022 19:14:14 GMT
I watched the service on YouTube last night. It was quite a moving tribute. I was wondering how the protocol is decided for which foreign royal gets to sit. Seemed like Queen Margarethe II got the most important spot and I had seen she's the next longest monarch in Europe presently. She's celebrating her golden jubilee this year.
The removal of the scepter, orb, and crown made it all too final. I'm glad the family got to have the last burial part in private but I can't imagine them having to go through yet more. Charles, Anne, and Sophie really looked most distraught but I'm sure they all are missing HMTQ.
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Post by momrek06 on Sept 20, 2022 19:30:19 GMT
A question for all ....
Does anyone know what will happen with all the Queen's clothing?
Her beautiful hats. And her lovely purses.
The Queen was NEVER without a purse on her wrist or a hat on her head.
Just curious.
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Post by ccl on Sept 20, 2022 19:45:46 GMT
Probably go to her next of kin to distribute as he/they see fit (those items that remain at time of death as she did not keep every outfit she wore in her lifetime). Some of the more famous/important ones may be exhibited -I know they’ve had dresses belonging to Diana before at the V&A and clothing items belonging to Victoria at Kensington Palace - but I wouldn’t think every outfit is deemed so valuable/of import.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 20, 2022 20:54:01 GMT
A question for all .... Does anyone know what will happen with all the Queen's clothing? Her beautiful hats. And her lovely purses. The Queen was NEVER without a purse on her wrist or a hat on her head. Just curious. According to Brian Hoey, author of Not In Front of the Corgis, the queen regularly gave her old clothes to her dressers. From there, they could either keep the pieces, wear them, or sell them. Hoey notes that if pieces were sold, buyers couldn't know that the clothes came from Her Majesty. Labels were removed to make sure nobody can trace anything back to Buckingham Palace.
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Post by Cuddles on Sept 20, 2022 21:35:33 GMT
Again, I have to preface that I don’t know if there is any truth to this but supposedly Harry and Meghan were uninvited to a reception with world leaders on Sunday night; their invite was pulled because they were not working members. There were over two thousand in attendance. How many working members are there? Your son is there for his grandmother’s funeral and you’re having a nice reception and you tell him he can’t come? Who does that?! You may be a king but your number one job is to be a caring father.
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Post by AZChristian on Sept 20, 2022 23:24:44 GMT
Again, I have to preface that I don’t know if there is any truth to this but supposedly Harry and Meghan were uninvited to a reception with world leaders on Sunday night; their invite was pulled because they were not working members. There were over two thousand in attendance. How many working members are there? Your son is there for his grandmother’s funeral and you’re having a nice reception and you tell him he can’t come? Who does that?! You may be a king but your number one job is to be a caring father. The reception was an official state event for working royals and world leaders. H&M were not supposed to be invited, but received an invitation in error. The funeral had 2,000 in attendance. The reception was for about 500. Prince Andrew was also not invited. My initial reading was that Harry and Meghan chose not to attend when they were told that the reception was intended for world leaders and working royals only. This event was NOT for grandchildren and distant family members. It was for working members of the British Royal Family and world leaders.
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Post by ccl on Sept 20, 2022 23:25:01 GMT
The people attending that event on the royal family side were working royals - that is people that can be expected to interact with world leaders in their capacity as working royals. Harry and Meghan chose not to be working royals so their presence was not required as they would not be interacting with world leaders as royals in the future. Not everything has to be about them and their attendance. This was a work event - they’re not workers (for the royals). They went to all the funeral events including the vigils, funeral etc.
On a similar note, at the funeral leaders of commonwealth countries were seated ahead of leaders from non-commonwealth countries So Trudeau, for example, was in nearer row than Biden because Trudeau is leader of Canada (commonwealth) and Biden of the US (not commonwealth) That doesn’t mean that Biden was being slighted. Not all events or privileges are for all people.
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Post by Cuddles on Sept 21, 2022 0:13:15 GMT
Clearly Harry and Meghan are better off away from all this nonsense. If the rules got tweaked about wearing a uniform they could’ve been changed with regard to the reception. But that wasn’t within view of the public so cruelty reigned? Apparently.
Even the mere fact that an invite was sent should’ve overridden any supposed rule. You don’t pul an invite from your own son and his wife. (If that’s indeed what happened.)
That all being said, I’m not interested in giving any more air to the stories coming out of the UK, be they true or not. Welcome home Harry and Meghan. You’re where you belong.
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Post by ccl on Sept 21, 2022 0:21:01 GMT
One of the European Royals was invited by mistake to the funeral (since space was limited there was only two allowed from the family and they accidentally invited 3) so their invitation had to be pulled. These things happen. Why would Harry and Meghan have wanted to go to a work event anyways? I don’t invite my entire family to work events. I don’t see their being not invited/uninvited as cruel.
I want to read in the press about the funeral and the new king/reign not about every single perceived slight or grievance. They’ve released images of the queen’s gravestone (shared with her husband and parents) - simple in black and gold.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Sept 21, 2022 1:49:59 GMT
A question for all .... Does anyone know what will happen with all the Queen's clothing? Her beautiful hats. And her lovely purses. The Queen was NEVER without a purse on her wrist or a hat on her head. Just curious. That's a great question! I could see several of her outfits with hats and purses displayed elegantly in several museums. ETA Her purse was sometimes used as a way to communicate to her security what she wanted without being disruptive. I'll look into it.
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Post by redsoxgirl on Sept 21, 2022 4:05:08 GMT
So, what was in The Queens purse? That purse is iconic as any bejeweled crown. Certainly, more utilitarian. Launer made Queen Elizabeths handbags. The Turandot handbag was her favorite and the one we most associate with her. The black, no-nonsense purse hanging from her arm was made by hand at a cost of 3015 U.S. dollars. Let's open the purse and have a look inside: Handy Handkerchief She definitely carried a handkerchief in her purse but the info here is pure romantic conjecture On the day of her husband's funeral, she reportedly carried one of his handkerchiefs in her bag. These silk styles from Prince Philip's trusted Savile Row tailor Kent & Haste are the perfect handbag size. Small handkerchief, $56; kenthaste.co.uk Perfect Pen Perfect Pen The head of state has signed some very important documents during her reign and often does so with her Parker 51 pen — touted as the "World's Most Wanted Pen" when it launched in 1941. Parker 51 Burgundy Resin Chrome Trim Fountain Pen, $74; parkerpen.com Sensible Specs Case To match her top-handle Launer bag, the Queen keeps her glasses safe in one of Launer's suede-lined leather cases, which can be monogrammed. Spectacles case, $140; launer.com Vibrant Lipstick The Queen loves a pop of color on her lips and is often seen reapplying it in public. She's reportedly a fan of Elizabeth Arden's range. Beautiful Color Moisturizing Lipstick, $27; elizabetharden.com This bestselling cream from Clarins, containing soothing sesame oil and Japanese mulberry extract, is a royal favorite. It protects hands while strengthening nails and cuticles. Hand and Nail Treatment Cream, $30; clarinsusa.com Sweet Treats Her Majesty always has a mint on hand. Among her favorites are those by Bendicks, mint fondant covered in bitter dark chocolate. Bendicks Bittermints, $7 for 200g box; bendicks.co.uk Though she didn't carry nail polish in her handbag she wore a signature color called Ballet Slippers by Essie. It retails in America for 9.99. When Elizabeth discovered Ballet Slippers 28 years ago, she wore it from that point on until her death. Visit Essie to learn more. people.com/royals/queen-elizabeth-purse-essentials/I wish this site allowed lots of bright clear photos so I might include some images to go with the text
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Post by Cuddles on Sept 21, 2022 12:39:55 GMT
One of the European Royals was invited by mistake to the funeral (since space was limited there was only two allowed from the family and they accidentally invited 3) so their invitation had to be pulled. These things happen. Why would Harry and Meghan have wanted to go to a work event anyways? I don’t invite my entire family to work events. I don’t see their being not invited/uninvited as cruel. I want to read in the press about the funeral and the new king/reign not about every single perceived slight or grievance. They’ve released images of the queen’s gravestone (shared with her husband and parents) - simple in black and gold. But that's not how it works, is it. They never shut down stories or backed up truth while Harry was a working royal, so why would they now.
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Post by karna68 on Sept 21, 2022 18:48:36 GMT
I watched the service on YouTube last night. It was quite a moving tribute. I was wondering how the protocol is decided for which foreign royal gets to sit. Seemed like Queen Margarethe II got the most important spot and I had seen she's the next longest monarch in Europe presently. She's celebrating her golden jubilee this year. The removal of the scepter, orb, and crown made it all too final. I'm glad the family got to have the last burial part in private but I can't imagine them having to go through yet more. Charles, Anne, and Sophie really looked most distraught but I'm sure they all are missing HMTQ. Agreed. I cringed when one of the news commentators called the scepter a "wand"
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Post by FireWoman on Sept 21, 2022 19:13:16 GMT
Do they show the stone with her name (and Phillip) on it? I have looked for a photo and have not yet seen one. I assume the family will have to do so as I do not think that it is open for public viewing atm.
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Post by justCoz on Sept 21, 2022 19:14:05 GMT
I watched the service on YouTube last night. It was quite a moving tribute. I was wondering how the protocol is decided for which foreign royal gets to sit. Seemed like Queen Margarethe II got the most important spot and I had seen she's the next longest monarch in Europe presently. She's celebrating her golden jubilee this year. The removal of the scepter, orb, and crown made it all too final. I'm glad the family got to have the last burial part in private but I can't imagine them having to go through yet more. Charles, Anne, and Sophie really looked most distraught but I'm sure they all are missing HMTQ. Agreed. I cringed when one of the news commentators called the scepter a "wand" Oh gosh, I didn't hear that one!
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 21, 2022 19:21:16 GMT
Agreed. I cringed when one of the news commentators called the scepter a "wand" Oh gosh, I didn't hear that one! There was a Wand of Office, that was snapped in two. Perhaps that's what they were referring to..It signifies the end of the monarchs reign., before the coffin is lowered.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 21, 2022 19:27:06 GMT
Do they show the stone with her name (and Phillip) on it? I have looked for a photo and have not yet seen one. I assume the family will have to do so as I do not think that it is open for public viewing atm. I don't think there is a photo of it yet, there's a mourning period and the chapel is closed.
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Post by FireWoman on Sept 21, 2022 19:34:18 GMT
Do they show the stone with her name (and Phillip) on it? I have looked for a photo and have not yet seen one. I assume the family will have to do so as I do not think that it is open for public viewing atm. I don't think there is a photo of it yet, there's a mourning period and the chapel is closed. I figured as much but it will be nice to see with all their names.
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Post by ccl on Sept 21, 2022 19:48:10 GMT
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 21, 2022 20:00:54 GMT
I was half asleep and posted the wrong photo. I thought I had seen a picture of it as well, I'll wait.
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Post by Cuddles on Sept 21, 2022 20:05:05 GMT
Wondering if we'll ever hear why Queen Elizabeth died. I don't expect we will. Seems she never bounced back after presumably contracting COVID from Charles. But there were also tests done during a hospital stay last October (pre-COVID diagnosis) and mobility issues after/during her bout with COVID, so maybe something rather serious was going on. Could've even been a broken heart from losing her husband.
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Post by FireWoman on Sept 21, 2022 20:08:24 GMT
Thanks Fanny and CCL, good to know I am not crazy. I looked everywhere for it, it will also have the garter star on it too now.
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Post by karna68 on Sept 23, 2022 1:49:21 GMT
Oh gosh, I didn't hear that one! There was a Wand of Office, that was snapped in two. Perhaps that's what they were referring to..It signifies the end of the monarchs reign., before the coffin is lowered. Nope, they said it as the scepter and orb were being removed.
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Post by FannyMare on Sept 23, 2022 4:33:37 GMT
There was a Wand of Office, that was snapped in two. Perhaps that's what they were referring to..It signifies the end of the monarchs reign., before the coffin is lowered. Nope, they said it as the scepter and orb were being removed. I believe you. I'm just saying what we heard, and we didn't know about, the Wand of Office. But that was placed on her coffin.
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Post by karna68 on Sept 23, 2022 10:24:09 GMT
Nope, they said it as the scepter and orb were being removed. I believe you. I'm just saying what we heard, and we didn't know about, the Wand of Office. But that was placed on her coffin. Right I didn’t know what that was either.
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