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Post by FannyMare on May 8, 2023 5:04:08 GMT
There are never before scenes online. One where Ariana, Tom and Raquel are in the hot tub, they all look more than cozy. I did wonder if they had an open relationship, because Raquel was very close to them both, Ariana was topless I don't know if Raquel was. Strange relationship, I think it worked, until it didn't. Apparently there's a lot of that kind of thing going on with this group. On last week's episode Tom talked about the time that Ariana and Lala were having sex in the back seat of the car while he was driving. When that incident happened, it was a televised part of the episode. This wasn't new information. And pretty much all of the girls of the cast have been kissing each other at one time or another. They're all talking about all of it in the spoiler below. Just as a warning, it's pretty graphic conversation, so if that's not your thing, I suggest you don't watch it.
Thanks for this.
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Post by amber on May 8, 2023 8:38:01 GMT
amber , THANK YOU. Everything you said is SPOT ON. I agree with your post 100%. AND yes, I should have never posted that charges were pressed .... it was about a temporary restraining order .... I messed that up. One minute I am trying to keep up with the T&R drama and the next minute I could care less what they do. Off Topic: I wonder what this will all mean for T&T's new restaurant? Have they opened? It seems like they have been struggling to open. I did see PUMP has closed. Wondering if Katie's and Ariana's sandwich shoppe has opened? Thank you, momrek06. Bummer about Pump. Swartz and Sandy's Yelp reviews are overall mediocre, where reviewers are primarily out-of-the-area VPR fans. I just checked, and Yelp has yet to open up to new reviews, so none of that should count. It's hard to tell, but I read the restaurant is doing good business. I am heading back down to SoCal next weekend to see my mother, and if I remember, I'll swing by to take a look. Insofar as the sandwich shop, there isn't one yet.
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Post by amber on May 8, 2023 21:31:15 GMT
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Post by momrek06 on May 9, 2023 0:08:08 GMT
Oh amber that was a GREAT READ. But eek S&S is pricey .... I mean there are ALOT of pricey restaurants in LA and the OC (we just ate at Capital Grille and 4 adults was $500.00) BUT IT WAS DECADENT and a VERY WELL KNOWN Restaurant. Oh my Lord, the French Fries @s&S were the BEST item. Oh bother. The STRIP MALL that it is in is blah. Me, personally, not wild with the restaurant DECOR. And how odd that out of 7 days in a week it is CLOSED THREE DAYS. Hmmm. Hubby and I and my DIL and Son have been to quite a few Vanderpump establishments and we have NEVER seen any VSR cast members ever. I will say the two ladies writing the review did a GREAT job!!!!
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Post by amber on May 9, 2023 3:50:05 GMT
The name on the wall is Swartz and Sandy's Lounge, which means it's a bar, not a dinner house. The "reporters" expected to order food with drinks, and Swartz and Sandy's sells crafted cocktails with food. The women didn't come off as sophisticated dinners or establishment reviewers. They complained so much about the drink prices that I doubt they live in LA.
Since the pandemic, Wednesday through Saturday dining is not unusual in California. We're by no means recovered.
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Post by FannyMare on May 9, 2023 4:19:23 GMT
The name on the wall is Swartz and Sandy's Lounge, which means it's a bar, not a dinner house. The "reporters" expected to order food with drinks, and Swartz and Sandy's sells crafted cocktails with food. The women didn't come off as sophisticated dinners or establishment reviewers. They complained so much about the drink prices that I doubt they live in LA. Since the pandemic, Wednesday through Saturday dining is not unusual in California. We're by no means recovered. I thought they went in, ready to dislike the place.
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Post by momrek06 on May 9, 2023 6:44:58 GMT
The name on the wall is Swartz and Sandy's Lounge, which means it's a bar, not a dinner house. The "reporters" expected to order food with drinks, and Swartz and Sandy's sells crafted cocktails with food. The women didn't come off as sophisticated dinners or establishment reviewers. They complained so much about the drink prices that I doubt they live in LA. Since the pandemic, Wednesday through Saturday dining is not unusual in California. We're by no means recovered. I live here in the OC and I can honestly tell you restaurants (in my neck of the woods) are open 7 days a week. Drink prices are over the top in CA. It's ridiculous the prices they charge for alcoholic beverages in restaurants. I just looked at their website .... they are closed S-M-T and their hours are W-Th-F-S and they open at 5pm. Well I hope they can get beyond all the drama and succeed at S&S. O.T. When did people start adding a C to Tom's name ... I am hearing on podcasts and seeing online many refer to Tom as Scandoval.
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Post by amber on May 9, 2023 8:38:08 GMT
I live here in the OC and I can honestly tell you restaurants (in my neck of the woods) are open 7 days a week. I'm so jealous. It's so much more normal in OC. I'm up north and the number of restaurants that shut down is staggering. One of my long time, favorite lunch spots remains open but they're still requiring use of an app menu, advance payment, including tip and the staff still wears masks and drop off plates of food on tables. Lunch is easily $35 a person, the food is still good but what happened to the service? It's so annoying. LA is better but not as it was.
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Post by momrek06 on May 9, 2023 15:48:36 GMT
I live here in the OC and I can honestly tell you restaurants (in my neck of the woods) are open 7 days a week. I'm so jealous. It's so much more normal in OC. I'm up north and the number of restaurants that shut down is staggering. One of my long time, favorite lunch spots remains open but they're still requiring use of an app menu, advance payment, including tip and the staff still wears masks and drop off plates of food on tables. Lunch is easily $35 a person, the food is still good but what happened to the service? It's so annoying. LA is better but not as it was. I will tell you amber we RARELY eat out because of the CRAZY cost of dining out. And all to often we leave the establishment disappointed with our meal. So quite frankly hubby and I prefer eating home. Our recent Capital Grille dining was us celebrating a recent promotion my son received at work.
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Post by FannyMare on May 9, 2023 16:22:46 GMT
I'm so jealous. It's so much more normal in OC. I'm up north and the number of restaurants that shut down is staggering. One of my long time, favorite lunch spots remains open but they're still requiring use of an app menu, advance payment, including tip and the staff still wears masks and drop off plates of food on tables. Lunch is easily $35 a person, the food is still good but what happened to the service? It's so annoying. LA is better but not as it was. I will tell you amber we RARELY eat out because of the CRAZY cost of dining out. And all to often we leave the establishment disappointed with our meal. So quite frankly hubby and I prefer eating home. Our recent Capital Grille dining was us celebrating a recent promotion my son received at work. I don't live where you guys do, but our prices are ridiculous. We seldom eat out, we prefer to cook at home, especially bbq, and eat outdoors when we can. We're often disappointed with a meal out.
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Post by Imperfect1 on May 9, 2023 18:24:32 GMT
O.T. When did people start adding a C to Tom's name ... I am hearing on podcasts and seeing online many refer to Tom as Scandoval. It's a play on words, momrek06 . "Sandoval" who created a "scandal" = Scandoval. Pretty funny how that actually works out so well!
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Post by amber on May 9, 2023 19:23:46 GMT
Late last year, I brought my mother and a good friend of hers visiting to Craft By Smoke and Fire, which was becoming one of our favorite restaurants in the Pasadena area. (I only moved my mother down there in mid-2020 and we didn't begin eating out until 2022.) It's a small chain, and the location we dined in is next to a Cheesecake Factory in a shopping mall. It's reasonably priced, and previously it was always very good.
This time, there wasn't anything they served us that was palatable --- it was that bad. The meat was cooked but poorly seasoned, and the sides tasted horrible or were completely undercooked.
I rarely return food at restaurants and we returned nearly every dish for equally bad replacements. Had I not had my mother and her friend with me, both with walkers, I would have told the server, we can't eat this and walked next door to the Cheesecake Factory. Either the restaurant had people working in the kitchen who hadn't a clue of what they were doing, and/or nothing was prepped, and the kitchen staff was cutting corners to push orders out. The servers kept their game faces on, but no way they were not aware that customers were being served slop.
Although this experience had to have been a one-off, we have never returned --- it was that bad. However, am I shocked this happened? No, in that there is always something, either kitchen or service related, whenever eating out. I, too, don't eat out as often as I did before. Maybe once a week, and I used to eat at least one-third of my meals out, mostly out of convenience. Not anymore. And I hate that because I know restaurants are struggling.
I sometimes travel and don't experience the same outside of California. I just don't.
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Post by momrek06 on May 9, 2023 20:10:35 GMT
O.T. When did people start adding a C to Tom's name ... I am hearing on podcasts and seeing online many refer to Tom as Scandoval. It's a play on words, momrek06 . "Sandoval" who created a "scandal" = Scandoval. Pretty funny how that actually works out so well! That is what I thought Imperfect1 (some kind of a play on words) ..... I thought maybe the "c" was added to stand for CHEATER.
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Post by momrek06 on May 9, 2023 20:20:08 GMT
Late last year, I brought my mother and a good friend of hers visiting to Craft By Smoke and Fire, which was becoming one of our favorite restaurants in the Pasadena area. (I only moved my mother down there in mid-2020 and we didn't begin eating out until 2022.) It's a small chain, and the location we dined in is next to a Cheesecake Factory in a shopping mall. It's reasonably priced, and previously it was always very good. This time, there wasn't anything they served us that was palatable --- it was that bad. The meat was cooked but poorly seasoned, and the sides tasted horrible or were completely undercooked. I rarely return food at restaurants and we returned nearly every dish for equally bad replacements. Had I not had my mother and her friend with me, both with walkers, I would have told the server, we can't eat this and walked next door to the Cheesecake Factory. Either the restaurant had people working in the kitchen who hadn't a clue of what they were doing, and/or nothing was prepped, and the kitchen staff was cutting corners to push orders out. The servers kept their game faces on, but no way they were not aware that customers were being served slop. Although this experience had to have been a one-off, we have never returned --- it was that bad. However, am I shocked this happened? No, in that there is always something, either kitchen or service related, whenever eating out. I, too, don't eat out as often as I did before. Maybe once a week, and I used to eat at least one-third of my meals out, mostly out of convenience. Not anymore. And I hate that because I know restaurants are struggling. I sometimes travel and don't experience the same outside of California. I just don't. Oh amber that is so disappointing.
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Post by Amy Lee on May 11, 2023 4:14:55 GMT
I knew Sandoval and Rachel were trash, but this episode took it to another level. That was an emotional Rollercoaster, and I'm not even involved.
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Post by amber on May 11, 2023 9:04:11 GMT
Here's some dirt.
I watched Up and Adam 2 afterparty this evening, and Adam says Lala and Randall were to be featured this season and that he filmed as part of their story, and every bit of it was edited out. That helps explain why Lala's participation is so disjointed like she doesn't belong.
I guess production discovered Raquel and Sandoval hooked up during Scheana's wedding and focused on *Scandoval* paydirt without Ariena ever catching on. How is that possible?
There had to have been at least some cast members that knew about Raquel and Sandoval and bit their tongues, probably because Ariana seems determeined to squash speculation. We're watching Sandoval trying to break up with Ariana, and she's not biting. Everything is so brutally honest and painful to watch.
The only thing positive this season is that it isn't about Randall and Lala. What a yawner that would be!
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Post by amber on May 12, 2023 17:33:31 GMT
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Post by momrek06 on May 12, 2023 19:13:17 GMT
amber ...... OH WOW ...... on that Trailer. Thanks for posting it. I think R1 is MAY 24th and I believe there are 3 Reunion shows. So back up to your comment about R & Lala .... 100% agree .... This week's show ..... so much screaming and yelling. Ugh. Next week and the R shows will likely be WILD.
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Post by amber on May 12, 2023 20:03:49 GMT
That trailer was amazing. And the graphics --- a big wow.
Think back to all those Housewives reunion previews that make a mountain out of nothing except for maybe one line. Looks like this reunion us jammed pack!
Now, we see James acting like a child, as if we needed confirmation. Check!
We've also read that Lala went over the top. Maybe she is triggered by being cheated on just as she cheated on Randall's wife, or maybe, just maybe, she's concerned about being relevant. If Lala was cut out of most of the scenes they had her in this season, would that have made any difference? It could be that's why when we do see her, it comes off so awkward. Even the scene where she sex-talked, leading to her hook-up with a guy she met that evening at a bar, is a total one-off and unnecessary.
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Post by FannyMare on May 12, 2023 21:45:53 GMT
That trailer was amazing. And the graphics --- a big wow. Think back to all those Housewives reunion previews that make a mountain out of nothing except for maybe one line. Looks like this reunion us jammed pack! Now, we see James acting like a child, as if we needed confirmation. Check! We've also read that Lala went over the top. Maybe she is triggered by being cheated on just as she cheated on Randall's wife, or maybe, just maybe, she's concerned about being relevant. If Lala was cut out of most of the scenes they had her in this season, would that have made any difference? It could be that's why when we do see her, it comes off so awkward. Even the scene where she sex-talked, leading to her hook-up with a guy she met that evening at a bar, is a total one-off and unnecessary. I quite often mute Lala, she was always talking about her vagina.I think she's all talk and very little action.
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Post by Punkin on May 13, 2023 3:38:28 GMT
I agree, FM. Lala is all about "shock talk". To me it's just low-class attention seeking. She's going to be a great example for her daughter!
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Post by mayamaisha on May 19, 2023 5:09:57 GMT
I agree, FM. Lala is all about "shock talk". To me it's just low-class attention seeking. She's going to be a great example for her daughter! I could not agree with you more!
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Post by cavendish on May 19, 2023 11:24:42 GMT
I tend to agree I certainly hope La La is more talk than action because her talk is raving sex fiend level talk. And didn’t she say she hadn’t had sex with Randall since she got pregnant? That’s an awfully long time for someone with the sex drive that LaLa ascribes to herself. Plus the windup to her having sex with the guy from the club was enough to make me want to take a shower myself. The poor guy was probably wondering what he’d gotten himself into.
I have to admit that I do enjoy parts of her snark more than I should. — esp when it was directed toward Raquel- Rachel . And I didn’t like Sheanas “interventions” On behalf of Schwartz. It was kind of good to have someone defend Katie because whatever her faults, she’s gotten a raw deal on the show.
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Post by Amy Lee on May 19, 2023 15:36:49 GMT
I have to admit that I do enjoy parts of her snark more than I should. — esp when it was directed toward Raquel- Rachel . And I didn’t like Sheanas “interventions” On behalf of Schwartz. It was kind of good to have someone defend Katie because whatever her faults, she’s gotten a raw deal on the show. I've softened up on LaLa over the years and especially with her becoming a mom and dealing with Randall being a conman. I think having gone through those issues with him has heightened her senses a bit. I can't wait for the show to go on hiatus. I'm emotionally spent. Lol
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Post by FannyMare on May 19, 2023 17:19:42 GMT
Lala was his mistress, she has no room to go after Raquel.
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Post by amber on May 19, 2023 19:04:03 GMT
This reenactment is too good not to share!
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Post by amber on May 19, 2023 20:00:31 GMT
Watching Ariana on WWHL was depressing. She seemed *medicated* and more focused on making it clear she didn't want Sandoval's return to the show.
Ok, Ariana, I get the girl power. When I was your age, I might have joined in. But the thing is, we've seen what it's like when a dramatic Reality TV show eliminates a controversial character. The show sucks until someone else becomes controversial. I'm sorry, I don't want Tom or Raquel gone. I want to see what happens with them and with you, too.
Yesterday, I came across and watched the VPR episode where Ariana claimed to be an accomplished sketch comedian. She berated Kristen, who decided to explore sketch comedy herself, for not doing well. Ariana was so mean to Kristen and never admitted she was banging Sandoval before Kristen and he broke up. Just saying ...
During Wednesday's episode, Sandoval said he had been unhappy with Ariana for a few years. It is what it is. And, no matter what people might think, counseling only works when wanting it to work. Once the sessions are over, couples must work on it for years, and that's the hard part, especially when still young. It's like quitting smoking or losing weight. No picnic.
Yes, Sandoval and Raquel did the wrong thing and in the wrong order, but it's done, and for Ariana to focus all of her attention on hateful thoughts and activation of cruel results isn't helpful to Ariana or anyone else. Eventually, there will be those of the friend group who will turn their backs on Ariana, or that is how she'll see it, while they begin to give Sandoval and Raquel a second chance.
Why will they give Sandoval and Raquel second chances? Because they've all cheated, just like Ariana.
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Post by cavendish on May 20, 2023 11:31:07 GMT
LaLa was Randall’s mistress but she wasn’t good or best friends with his wife. She wasn’t in the friend group with him and his wife. That’s the crux of the matter. And that’s why Sandoval and Raquel are being shunned. And that’s also why I disagree with amber that everyone in the group has done the same thing. No one has betrayed a member of the friend group in that way. Even Ariana who was involved with Sandoval when Kristen was — wasn’t herself a member of the group at the time.
But there are a lot of factors that go into the reception by the group of the Tom-Raquel situation— that make it particulaly repugnant and chilling.
But as for LaLa— We also don’t know the exact details of Lalas involvement with Randall. She says she asked him about his status and he said he wasn’t married or committed to anyone else— and we don’t know that she didn’t believe that. But he had his wife’s claim on him— and LaLa didn’t in that way— although I would agree getting involved with a married man isn’t exactly admirable.
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Post by amber on May 21, 2023 6:45:42 GMT
IMO, the reason it is easy to watch VPR is that cast members are friends and the relationships don't come off as forced.
Jax slept with his best friend's (Sandoval) girlfriend, Kristen. Sandoval began his affair with Ariana before Jax slept with Kristen. Stassi began her affair with Frank while she was still living with Jax. Lala would get loaded and sleeping with James when he was living with Raquel.
Both Frank and Ariana were not only part of the friend group but also filmed with VPR from season 1 as supporting cast members. I don't remember much of anything about Frank, but Ariana and Scheana were best friends for years, and Ariana also worked with Scheana for years at Villa Blanca. Remember, Scheana said she worked with Sandoval when Villa Blanca first opened. Thus, Sandoval and Ariena knew each other and from season 1, Ariana was part of the friend group. When we saw Ariana training with Sandoval at SUR and acting as if they had just met, that was for the show and by then they were already having an affair.
I think all of the original cast worked at Villa Blanca and there may have been other hook ups.
Lala's history is difficult to figure out because she has always been secretive. Before Randall, Lala was dating another mystery (married) man. As I recall, he was a Laker, or another local sports club for that was eluded to before she began seeing Randall. All that bit about not knowing Randall was married is BS. Maybe she didn't know for 5 minutes but she dated Randall on the sly for a long while before he or his ex-wife filed for divorce. I think Randall's ex made peace with Lala when Lala became sober and pregnant.
One thing about Raquel, and I'm not saying this to defend her but I don't think she began microdosing psychedelics until she became close with Sandoval and Ariana. Other than today's Lala, who knows which and how much drugs are consumed. They live their lives much differently than I do and probably most of us.
Finally, I'm of the feeling that the cast made a pact to push Sandoval out. I doubt it'll work and also doubt many of them care if Raquel returns or not.
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Post by cavendish on May 21, 2023 10:32:59 GMT
I could go through each instance of the Ariana/ Sandoval and LaLa/ James examples and say why I think the are not the same — mainly that they weren’t friends with the person whose bf they slept with. In the instance is stasis/ jax stassi broke up with jax over it so she blamed The right person. Kristen was in the friend group and was stasssi s friend. That’s why I said it was complicated that the group behaved so differently.
A lot of it has to do with how much closer they all are and how much they now care about each other. Also imo Raquel’s motives were vindictive and quite hurtful. She blatantly went after people’s partners essentially rubbing it in, trying to show that she could take any guy she wanted to. She also said essentially that she would go after any bf she wanted to — that night on the vacation.: she would try to take any guy just for ego gratification and the power of “winning” over another woman. That’s why I doubt they want her as a friend. She’s got the willingnessto do is whenever she doesn’t particularly like the other woman— and I think she doesn’t like other women that much— or just to “win”. I’m pretty sure Katie, Ariana LaLa and probably scheana want nothing to do with her.
Who can say how things will evolve over time though. Or what bravo will do. But if Raquel and Sandoval stay on the show — or come back later — is something that’s up n the air. Obviously raquel will be “rehabilitated” and play the poor misguided victim who has learned the error of her ways and is so so so sorry. How Sandoval plays it I don’t know but I’m sure he’ll have a go at it at some point. How and whether the other soften is a question that will be answered over time.
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