Joe Millionaire - For Richer or Poorer (Fox)

I think they're afraid to! I heard at least two people mention "the wrath of Carolyn," so she must really be something else when she's mad.

I see red flags between Kurt and Carolyn. I mean, that's a lot to deal with when you are just starting to get to know someone, jealousy, and all the un-fun things about relationships. This should still be in the fun stage - they are just getting to know each other. His head is turned? Turn it right back. But throwing a tantrum this early in the game when you aren't in an exclusive relationship is exhausting. So much time for that later on! Lol.

Evening part of the date and the guys are switching girls. I like Suzanne and her knitting. She is joking around about it with Kurt. They both say they are interested in a couple of the same girls...Amanda, Calah and Whitney.

Just when Whitney and Steven are talking and making out when Jenny interrupts. Neither is happy.

Kurt is such a dummy, but such a typical "guy." They get taken in by manipulative women, and make terrible choices. Carolyn will be one of those, if he ends up with her.

Then he gets "intrigued" by Calah, who's just playing up the mystery quietness in order to intrigue him. Dumb, dumb, dumb. I guess he deserves a Carolyn in his life, if he chooses the drama over real connections and fun, like he has with Amanda and perhaps someone else there -- but, he won't give them a chance.

Steven is much more mature than Kurt is, apparently. I just can't tell who he really likes. He's kind of the same with all of them!

Jennie overdid it with all her marriage/children talk. Once you covered that, move on to a new topic of conversation! He doesn't need to hear it every single time you see him. I did feel bad for her though, when she was eliminated. She looked so hurt. And I agree that Carolyn likely encouraged her knowing full well it could go badly. ugh.

To Steven: Pick Whitney or Annie. They’re both natural beauties and I don’t just mean their physical appearance. They both seem down-to-earth and classy. They’re both mature. They don’t act jealous. They don’t bring the drama.

To Kurt: UGH! Where do I start? Dump Carolyn. She’s cray-cray. She acts like she owns you. She acts like she’s already in a relationship with you. How can you not see there’s no ‘happily ever after’ with her? You already dislike the ex-husband/existing child thing. You already feel the life getting sucked out of you the minute she starts giving you the stink eye. Dump her. She’s not worth all the “extra” you’d have to put up with. Pick Amanda if you feel you have a better connection with her, but don't get sucked into Carolyn's tornado. My pick for you would be Whitney or Annie (but I’ve already given them to Steven). LOL.  

Late to the thread but I'm definitely watching and enjoying it!! Way better than the Bachelor.  If the Bachelor franchise stopped being so manufactured and cared less about their brand it could be good again. 

I am behind and trying to catch up. This is a fun challenge...and not just because the guys took their shirts off. Why can't the bachelor do these kind of challenges? This would have been great during lockdown seasons.

Kurt wins...putting on the tuxedo did him in. He says he threw the comp because he wanted the bouncy castle.

Steven advises Kurt to not take Carolyn because the other women will think it is over. Kurt is an idiot.

Both guys are coming back and making out in the vans. Kurt turns off the camera in theirs.

The other ladies are conspiring to help Whitney use her coin and hide it from Carolyn. She greets the guys at their front porch and has something set up for her and Kurt.

Steven feels a little hurt, but now understands how the other ladies feel. He is also happy because he doesn't think Carolyn is good for Kurt and doesn't bring out the best in him. Steven is so mature and Kurt not so much. He has admitted that he is falling in love with Carolyn and has feelings for Whitney. He says he is screwed.

No Kurt, Amanda is not running away from her feelings. She sees that you pretty much ignore everyone for Carolyn.

Elimination night!

Kurt talks about all the Carolyn issues.     Amanda pulling back.

Steven feels Breanne would fit in with his life if she would just relax and be herself. 

Both think Suzanne is quirky, but not sure if they have enough time to catch up with her.

Whitney, Annie, Calah, Amber, Breanna get to stay. Suzanne is done.

Carolyn wants Amanda gone so that Kurt will prove his commitment to her. B*tch!

Guys want Amanda to stay. Run girl, run!!! Avocado...everyone laughs and is happy for her...other than Carolyn. Even bigger b*tch.

Next week...ladies families arrive. This should be interesting.

Kurt is such a dumbass! He's been locked in on Carolyn and isn't giving anyone else a real shot. Steven even tried to tell him he'd have more fun on the date with Amanda...he's going to pick her and he's going to regret it.

I'm not sure who Steven is leaning towards, but he'd be my pick and not because of the money. If Breanna would get out of her head I think they'd be a good match.

I think it's funny how they stereotype what a "rich" person would do well, like be good at opening champagne bottles and putting on cufflinks.

Here we go! Everybody learns that the parents are coming.

Girls ... go clean up the pig sty they have been living in.

Guys ... get dressed. Well, Steven gets dressed. Kurt changes like a dozen times. He is a tad high maintenance for my tastes, not to mention, whipped. Not my type at all.

Annie's folks are shooting questions right and left. They both agree that they think Steven has the $.

Annie's friend asks Kurt why Carolyn. He can't help himself. His eyes are drawn to her and it's been like that from the beginning. So shallow. Her friend laughs and says since Kurt is off limits, he hopes it's Steven. He is a bit flirty and frankly seems more fun than she is.

Both of them say that Calah seems more in her element with her mom around and are hoping that she opens up more.

Amber's dad asks what they think of Amber and brother asks if they can see themselves with her. Both look skeptical. The guys wanted to see the fun side of Amber and after meeting her family, they realize there isn't much fun there. It is serious/intense all the time. She says mom is even worse. She would chew them up. I think her family killed any chance she had ... which was minimal before. I wouldn't be surprised if she went home tonight. They think Kurt is the rich one.

Amanda's mom asks what drew them to Amanda. They say laughter. True ... but they are missing chemistry IMO. That is why, no matter how much Kurt likes her, Carolyn always gets picked over her. The little head always wins. Mom asks how they would feel if she had more $? Guys seem surprised. Amanda is a trust fund kid left from grandpa. Says people judge and she lives humbly. She really seems down to earth and normal. Probably why I like her. Kurt says money comes and goes, but your true persona is what matters. He appreciates that they don't seem money hungry. OMG Her mom asks who has good stamina and Steven admits he doesn't. She says she wants lots of grandchildren, he says stamina has nothing to do with that. True.

Breanna's folks are embarrassing her even more and Steven was hoping she would relax with them there, but he realizes she is insecure around them as well.

Whitney's folks asking questions about their work. Mom thinks Steven is the rich one. Whitney says she is feeling the connection with Kurt, but needs more time with Steven. To me it sounds as if the money is the deciding factor for her. Whoever has the cash would be the one she goes after. I'm not impressed, plus it is driving me crazy since she could be Rachel's twin (Matt's F1 from the Bachelor).

Girls seem surprised that there will be an elimination.

Guys are deliberating.

Steven says he could see how upset Kurt was with not getting to meet any of Carolyn's family and Kurt admits that he is left with more questions than answers.
Beyond his gut feeling, he knows nothing about her. Listen to your gut and not your pen*s!!!

Poor Steven is so frustrated at not being able to tell the whole truth to Annie's dad. That really felt most like an actual meet the family situation.

Both guys seemed happy to see Calah open up a bit more with her mom around, but both admit it has taken a long time. Too little, too late.

Breanna small town girl, but all the insecurities seem to be getting a bit much for both of them.

Amber is sweet and both were intimidated by her brother with all his questions, even thought both admit he is a great guy.

Carolyn says she is the most uncertain tonight. Whitney's parents apologized if she gets eliminated because of them.

Staying...Whitney, Annie, Carolyn, Amanda, Amber.

Calah and Breanna left and Calah stays...just.

Breanna is gone.

Steven is trying to share with her that he wanted to try dating someone different. He thinks he has grown during this process and she on the other hand, seems to have almost withdrawn back into her shell. He is so nice.

Next week...ladies are meeting the guys moms in their hometowns...Charlotte and Missouri.

Kurt's mom sees Carolyn just like his last three relationships. Jeeze the guy really doesn't learn.

Steven is telling his family to take off the Rolex's!

This should be good.

YES! The casting, the format, the self awareness.. It isn't trying to be something its not.  I like the honesty from the women and the men with each other and in the confessionals. Whatever it is, I am here for it and hope they make another season.