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Post by angelic_one2002 on Dec 19, 2022 12:54:57 GMT
My mother watched the whole thing and since she lives with us, I saw enough of it to know that I don't want to sit down and watch it myself. To me the whole thing boils down to 2 people who want as much attention as possible and are getting more attention by complaining about the attention they were getting. That's why I question their integrity. They broke away from royal life, so why keep this continual complaining? What do they want to gain from it? They've already spoken their piece on these issues several times. Sometimes I think it has to do with the individual, themselves.. and how they choose to handle their feelings. I may be wrong, but I cannot see Kate ever acting this way.
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Post by Cuddles on Dec 19, 2022 12:59:25 GMT
Imperfect1, Megan won her lawsuit against the press for publishing excerpts of Meghan's letter she wrote to her father. There was no defamation involved. Through discovery, it was proven that Meghan's father leaked the letter to the media, that Meghan lied by misrepresenting information to the court, forcing her to apologize to the court and evidence Meghan crafted the letter under the assumption it would be leaked to and published by the press. Regardless, although legally obtained, the courts ruled the media publishing excerpts was a violation of her privacy and, also, copyright infringement. You're absolutely right, amber ! My bad. (Although I still think the British press lied about them, time and time again.) Prince Harry recently won a defamation case and Meghan won her case for breach of privacy and copyright. You don't win court cases if you are in the wrong. It was not proven that Meghan lied forcing her to apologize. The court determined/accepted she forgot about a conversation she had with an aide and that is what she apologized for. As for crafting, I am even careful when I write a personal note to my close elderly family member not knowing what other family member may visit their home and read it, so to me that is not deceptive, that's just smart practice for both the writer and the recipient.
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Post by Cuddles on Dec 19, 2022 13:12:34 GMT
After reading all the negative comments about Meghan and Harry, I wasn't going to watch their documentary series, but this morning I thought I'd just take a peek at the 1st episode, and my gosh, I thought it was really, really well done, and I liked it so much that I sat and watched all 6 episodes. And you know what else, I believe them. I remember how badly they were treated by the other royals and the British press (especially the Daily Mail). And I remember the defamation law suit that they WON against the Daily Mail that LIED about them for years! I don't remember how badly they were treated by the other royals. Who paid for their lavish wedding, and who walked her down the aisle. They weren't treated badly imho. I listened to a royal correspondent, who was also a person of color, she said the Netflix episodes weren't anything we haven't heard before, and wondered why Harry is bothering with a book. She certainly wasn't nasty about it, but she said there were no bombshells either. . That's the point of why we're hearing their story. All anyone has to do is go back into this thread and read what was written when some of this was going down and it's quite obvious that the royal spin machine was working overtime. Most of the money for their wedding went toward security. William & Kate's family had grown and there were death threats against Meghan. I believe I read over ninety percent of the wedding expenses were for security! Meghan bought her own dress, Kate's parents bought hers. Charles walking Meghan down the aisle, as we all know, wasn't what was originally planned. It was a last resort which highlighted something very painful for Meghan. Most assuredly not the memory Meghan wanted.
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Post by FannyMare on Dec 19, 2022 17:41:07 GMT
I did love the photos of Kate and Charlotte in their Burgundy coats, Charlotte is so precious,she reminds me of photos I've seen of her great grandmother , Queen Elizabeth at that age. I imagine the Queen will be missed this Christmas.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Dec 19, 2022 20:06:48 GMT
I just saw them, and thought Kate looks lovely in that color with her dark hair. Charlotte is a little doll.
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Post by Bearcata on Dec 20, 2022 17:49:32 GMT
I don't pay that much attention about the royals but the hatred toward Meghan is a bit much. I do remember watching some special about the Royals on CNN or PBS recently and they did a bit about Prince Charles reaction to how popular Diana was. The narrator commented that Charles was so used to being the center of attention that he was a bit taken about the public loving Diana. Now if Charles didn't instigate something his aides and hanger on's did start spreading rumors. They did the old fall back of she is crazy. The aides wanted Charles to be the focus not Diana and they would do anything to make it so. Diana is not the first princess or royal that married into the family and the firm smeared. Kate could be the worlds biggest toxic bitch in reality and Meghan an angel. But it does not matter what either is in real life the media has painted a picture of Classic Elegant Kate and Toxic Vampire Meghan and nothing can shake it.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Dec 20, 2022 18:15:15 GMT
I think the people will still make assumptions or praises on how they see a person and why. That just goes with being in the media and forefront of news..fortunate or unfortunate, as it is. I will support Diana, as I see she hung in there a long while, while it wasn't easy for her, either.
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Post by FannyMare on Dec 20, 2022 18:49:55 GMT
I think the people will still make assumptions or praises on how they see a person and why. That just goes with being in the media and forefront of news..fortunate or unfortunate, as it is. I will support Diana, as I see she hung in there a long while, while it wasn't easy for her, either. Rumors, lots of rumors. Meghan said Frogmore cottage was too small, did anyone else complain about getting a home for free( paid by the taxpayers) homeless people, living on UK streets would welcome a free home. Diana could have have a good life with Dr Khan, he thinks they could of at least been good friends, even after she decided to throw him over, for Dodi. Victims and Martyrs, they don't last long in the RF.
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Post by Bearcata on Dec 21, 2022 2:31:30 GMT
I think the people will still make assumptions or praises on how they see a person and why. That just goes with being in the media and forefront of news..fortunate or unfortunate, as it is. I will support Diana, as I see she hung in there a long while, while it wasn't easy for her, either. Rumors, lots of rumors. Meghan said Frogmore cottage was too small, did anyone else complain about getting a home for free( paid by the taxpayers) homeless people, living on UK streets would welcome a free home. Diana could have have a good life with Dr Khan, he thinks they could of at least been good friends, even after she decided to throw him over, for Dodi. Victims and Martyrs, they don't last long in the RF. This statement maybe true or not, it may not even had been said but take that statement and spin it because you don't like the person, play telephone with that the result and the result either endears or angers people. If you target a person no matter what they say or do it can be shaped to create a monster. They did the same thing to Wallace Simpson, they did it to Meghan Markle. The talking media heads and the tabloids are making a lot of money by coming up with these stories and they will never stop because it makes them money. Look at Camilla everyone was pretty vile to her and now she can do no wrong. As far as Dodi, I don't think Diana was ever going to marry him, I know Dodi's father was really pushing it but that was a dream he had. Dr. Khan didn't want to be in the limelight.
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Post by FannyMare on Dec 21, 2022 6:29:45 GMT
Rumors, lots of rumors. Meghan said Frogmore cottage was too small, did anyone else complain about getting a home for free( paid by the taxpayers) homeless people, living on UK streets would welcome a free home. Diana could have have a good life with Dr Khan, he thinks they could of at least been good friends, even after she decided to throw him over, for Dodi. Victims and Martyrs, they don't last long in the RF. This statement maybe true or not, it may not even had been said but take that statement and spin it because you don't like the person, play telephone with that the result and the result either endears or angers people. If you target a person no matter what they say or do it can be shaped to create a monster. They did the same thing to Wallace Simpson, they did it to Meghan Markle. The talking media heads and the tabloids are making a lot of money by coming up with these stories and they will never stop because it makes them money. Look at Camilla everyone was pretty vile to her and now she can do no wrong. As far as Dodi, I don't think Diana was ever going to marry him, I know Dodi's father was really pushing it but that was a dream he had. Dr. Khan didn't want to be in the limelight. Exactly, she can say things as well, that are or aren't true. She's been caught in lies. Camilla bit her tongue, she can still do wrong, trust me. I wish the boys hadn't met Dodi, he was known to love coke! Khan has been interviewed, I read them. Funny the media makes lots of money, and so do Harry and his wife. 88 million to tattle on your family isn't bad.
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Post by Bearcata on Dec 21, 2022 6:43:29 GMT
This statement maybe true or not, it may not even had been said but take that statement and spin it because you don't like the person, play telephone with that the result and the result either endears or angers people. If you target a person no matter what they say or do it can be shaped to create a monster. They did the same thing to Wallace Simpson, they did it to Meghan Markle. The talking media heads and the tabloids are making a lot of money by coming up with these stories and they will never stop because it makes them money. Look at Camilla everyone was pretty vile to her and now she can do no wrong. As far as Dodi, I don't think Diana was ever going to marry him, I know Dodi's father was really pushing it but that was a dream he had. Dr. Khan didn't want to be in the limelight. Exactly, she can say things as well, that are or aren't true. She's been caught in lies. Camilla bit her tongue, she can still do wrong, trust me. I wish the boys hadn't met Dodi, he was known to love coke! Khan has been interviewed, I read them. Funny the media makes lots of money, and so do Harry and his wife. 88 million to tattle on your family isn't bad. Dodi was a playboy, he had the family money and bankrolled some films and he was listed as an executive producer but the movie people used him as a bank. It was a win/win. But I have a feeling if you put Dodi in charge of anything without his father's intervention it would crash and burn.
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Post by amber on Dec 22, 2022 12:37:25 GMT
Imperfect1, Megan won her lawsuit against the press for publishing excerpts of Meghan's letter she wrote to her father. There was no defamation involved. Through discovery, it was proven that Meghan's father leaked the letter to the media, that Meghan lied by misrepresenting information to the court, forcing her to apologize to the court and evidence Meghan crafted the letter under the assumption it would be leaked to and published by the press. Regardless, although legally obtained, the courts ruled the media publishing excerpts was a violation of her privacy and, also, copyright infringement. You're absolutely right, amber ! My bad. (Although I still think the British press lied about them, time and time again.) I read somewhere that Meghan only spent 72 days as a working Royal during the entirety of the 18 months she lived in the UK as Harry's wife. Unlike Diana and Kate, Meghan wasn't brought up as an aristocrat and perhaps she just isn't a good fit for the royal lifestyle?
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Post by karna68 on Dec 22, 2022 14:20:51 GMT
You're absolutely right, amber ! My bad. (Although I still think the British press lied about them, time and time again.) I read somewhere that Meghan only spent 72 days as a working Royal during the entirety of the 18 months she lived in the UK as Harry's wife. Unlike Diana and Kate, Meghan wasn't brought up as an aristocrat and perhaps she just isn't a good fit for the royal lifestyle?Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head.
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Post by MissGriss on Dec 23, 2022 0:24:04 GMT
You're absolutely right, amber ! My bad. (Although I still think the British press lied about them, time and time again.) I read somewhere that Meghan only spent 72 days as a working Royal during the entirety of the 18 months she lived in the UK as Harry's wife. Unlike Diana and Kate, Meghan wasn't brought up as an aristocrat and perhaps she just isn't a good fit for the royal lifestyle? Kate wasn't an aristocrat. She's a commoner from a wealthy family who went to school with upper crust kids including some from the aristocracy. If there was an issue of suitability, it probably has more to do with Meghan being an American with different expectations and not much understanding of what it's like to be a royal.
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Post by nennie on Dec 23, 2022 2:04:44 GMT
I read somewhere that Meghan only spent 72 days as a working Royal during the entirety of the 18 months she lived in the UK as Harry's wife. Unlike Diana and Kate, Meghan wasn't brought up as an aristocrat and perhaps she just isn't a good fit for the royal lifestyle? Kate wasn't an aristocrat. She's a commoner from a wealthy family who went to school with upper crust kids including some from the aristocracy. If there was an issue of suitability, it probably has more to do with Meghan being an American with different expectations and not much understanding of what it's like to be a royal. The way I see it Kate knows protocol and Meghan isn't going to follow protocol. Meghan being an American and living free and easy the way she wants I am quite sure doesn't want rules and regulations.
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Post by Cuddles on Dec 23, 2022 13:24:38 GMT
And the way I see it is that Kate curtsies to the man who stabbed her brother-in-law in the back.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Dec 26, 2022 14:48:40 GMT
I've always sensed both Meghan and Harry are rebels. They don't want to "follow suit" with the royal family, and broke away. They keep the "wounds" open by stating their case over and over. If they're happy, fine..I just wish their complaints about the royal family would cease.
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Post by FannyMare on Dec 27, 2022 0:03:45 GMT
I've always sensed both Meghan and Harry are rebels. They don't want to "follow suit" with the royal family, and broke away. They keep the "wounds" open by stating their case over and over. If they're happy, fine..I just wish their complaints about the royal family would cease.
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Post by Cuddles on Jan 2, 2023 16:09:21 GMT
I've always sensed both Meghan and Harry are rebels. They don't want to "follow suit" with the royal family, and broke away. They keep the "wounds" open by stating their case over and over. If they're happy, fine..I just wish their complaints about the royal family would cease. Which is exactly what Buckingham Palace wants you to believe. I encourage everyone to watch Harry’s conversation with Anderson. The truth doesn’t lie somewhere between.
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Post by justCoz on Jan 2, 2023 19:14:12 GMT
I don't believe much of what Harry and Meghan say at all. They've had proven lies over and over and over in interviews they've given. And the people disputing what they are saying are not just people from the palace but all over the world.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Jan 2, 2023 20:10:20 GMT
I thought Harry was a rebel before he even married Meghan.
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Post by Cuddles on Jan 2, 2023 20:58:41 GMT
What lies? I’ve heard smack about how they got married beforehand but it wasn’t legal so that’s supposedly a lie but it isn’t a lie if in their hearts that’s when they exchanged their real vows and felt they were married. And that’s just one example. I think if someone wants to look for a supposed lie they could find one from all of us just by tearing apart our words/ways of phrasing our comments.
We have politicians who aren’t called liars but make up everything that comes out of their mouths, but Harry and Meghan can’t even voice when they felt their marriage began! And brother William and father Charles can connive and act as though they’re too above things to comment, lol.
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Post by FannyMare on Jan 2, 2023 22:11:59 GMT
I thought Harry was a rebel before he even married Meghan. Harry was a rebel, but at least he was a bit of fun, now he just regurgitates everything, over and over, ad nauseum. They make it sound like Harry was the only one, that walked behind his mothers coffin, William( 15) also walked behind her coffin. It probably affected how he sees the world as well. He's very protective of his wife.
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Post by Cuddles on Jan 2, 2023 23:35:27 GMT
I thought Harry was a rebel before he even married Meghan. Harry was a rebel, but at least he was a bit of fun, now he just regurgitates everything, over and over, ad nauseum. They make it sound like Harry was the only one, that walked behind his mothers coffin, William( 15) also walked behind her coffin. It probably affected how he sees the world as well. He's very protective of his wife. Re Harry.... in the words of Steve Schmidt: He is a combat veteran. He served multiple combat tours in the British Army. He served with valor and distinction. He saved American lives, and there is not one word of on-the-record criticism from a single individual with whom he ever served. Prince Harry was respected by the men he led. He did not flinch. He did not run. He fought. He fought for his wife, and that, in the end, is what the story of Harry and Meghan is about. Prince Harry did what a man is supposed to do. He protected his wife and children from media predators, vicious smear artists, racist royals, and an institution that brutalized his mother and failed to protect his wife.
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Post by karna68 on Jan 3, 2023 20:03:00 GMT
I thought Harry was a rebel before he even married Meghan. Harry was a rebel, but at least he was a bit of fun, now he just regurgitates everything, over and over, ad nauseum. They make it sound like Harry was the only one, that walked behind his mothers coffin, William( 15) also walked behind her coffin. It probably affected how he sees the world as well. He's very protective of his wife. And Diana's brother and Charles.
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Post by Imperfect1 on Jan 3, 2023 20:04:11 GMT
What lies? I’ve heard smack about how they got married beforehand but it wasn’t legal so that’s supposedly a lie but it isn’t a lie if in their hearts that’s when they exchanged their real vows and felt they were married. And that’s just one example. I think if someone wants to look for a supposed lie they could find one from all of us just by tearing apart our words/ways of phrasing our comments. We have politicians who aren’t called liars but make up everything that comes out of their mouths, but Harry and Meghan can’t even voice when they felt their marriage began! And brother William and father Charles can connive and act as though they’re too above things to comment, lol. I believe Harry and Meghan too. The Royals have lied and withheld the truth so frequently, for years on end. That's their policy and it surely hasn't changed recently. So, with their credibility so low, I think the chances are they've lied about Harry and Meghan as well.
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Post by FannyMare on Jan 3, 2023 21:24:57 GMT
Harry was a rebel, but at least he was a bit of fun, now he just regurgitates everything, over and over, ad nauseum. They make it sound like Harry was the only one, that walked behind his mothers coffin, William( 15) also walked behind her coffin. It probably affected how he sees the world as well. He's very protective of his wife. And Diana's brother and Charles. Exactly. ! What happened was terrible , but Harry seems to want to make this his own horror. I really liked Harry at one time, I don't know this Harry, or what he wants from all these tell all, even the Netflix series has had some rebuttals, that they manufactured lies in it.. Meanwhile the RF have largely ignored them, and for that, I'm very happy. I've made no bones about the fact, I'm not a fan of Meghan anymore. . Time will tell what happens to these two, will they live that private life they so wanted, or is Meghan loving the limelight , good and bad.
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Post by sunnydayz on Jan 4, 2023 3:06:19 GMT
And Diana's brother and Charles. Exactly. ! What happened was terrible , but Harry seems to want to make this his own horror. I really liked Harry at one time, I don't know this Harry, or what he wants from all these tell all, even the Netflix series has had some rebuttals, that they manufactured lies in it.. Meanwhile the RF have largely ignored them, and for that, I'm very happy. I've made no bones about the fact, I'm not a fan of Meghan anymore. . Time will tell what happens to these two, will they live that private life they so wanted, or is Meghan loving the limelight , good and bad. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Post by amber on Jan 4, 2023 6:43:23 GMT
What I see is Meghan and Harry's primary beef with the British Press reporting their business is that they consider their business their commodity to capitalize upon by selling to the highest bidder. Why should the press make money without they receiving their cut of the action?
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Post by FannyMare on Jan 4, 2023 7:37:33 GMT
What I see is Meghan and Harry's primary beef with the British Press reporting their business is that they consider their business their commodity to capitalize upon by selling to the highest bidder. Why should the press make money without they receiving their cut of the action? So you sell out your families. . What about when you run out of anything to say? I don't care they take on the press, but is there no line they won't cross.? .
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